the fire department vehicles. i guess they're just sort of assessing the situation. nobody's near the actual impact point, as far as any of the people who were riding on the commuter train. because they're trying, i guess, probably just to see who's there, who's all right. they were standing through the trains trying to see if people were inside. >> chris martin, helping us see what's going on. brian alvarez as well. we'll continue to watch what's going on here on cnn. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. erin burnett out front starts right now. breaking news in the boston marathon terror attack investigation. tonight, a judge's decision could mean something significant for the case going forward. plus, a russian speaking terror suspect made an appearance in an ohio courtroom today. why it might be time for us to rethink where the biggest threat is coming from. the cia's top man in moscow

outed by russian authorities. is there something seriously wrong at the cia? wrong at the cia? let's go "outfront." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, out front tonight. a federal imagining straight hasfused a request to take current and periodic photos of tsarnaev throughout his recovery. at the federal bureau of prisons medical facility. the lawyers say that they want the photos to provide evidence of tsarnaev's, quote, evolving mental and physical state in federal custody. perhaps how long it takes for him to recover from what happened that night. susan candiotti is in boston tonight. susan, why was this request made, and why did the judge deny it? >> it's very interesting. the only reason we're finding out about this at all, is the judge made her ruling public.

all the motions that were initsially a few weeks ago were all under seal and kept from public view. but here's what the judge is telling us, because the defense and government not talking. apparently the defense wanted to take these photographs cord rg to the judge's rulings, to try to mount what would probably be a likely challenge about the state of dzhokhar's mind, given the injuries that he had, whether the statements he made to investigators were voluntary. that's a quote. whether he -- the states were volunta voluntary. that's a quote from the ruling. and whether the defense could take these photographs to make a case down the road for any future mitigation might come at trial. again, the defense motions, all under seal about this. so the judge said, look, if you want any photographs taken, you'll have to allow the bureau of prisons to take those photographs, and you'll have to share those with the government. the defense did not want to do that. so we'll have to wait and see whether those photographs will be taken. and one final thing, we were

kind of expecting an indictment to come down on monday, that generally happens 30 days after someone -- there are charges filed by way of a complaint. but it looks like we might be facing a delay in that calendar, erin. we'll have to see. and there could be a number of exceptions for this. for example, because he's hospitalized, because there are other matters going on. we can only tell you that a number of documents in this case remain under seal. erin? >> obviously big questions about that. susan, before you go, i know there's also news about the former chechen militant who now lives in new hampshire. he's been interviewed by the fbi, that he met with the tsarnaev brothers. but he adamantly said, look, i was not involved. what is the development there today? >> today he issued a public statement about this. we've been asking for one since yesterday. and in the statement, he says, first of all, that he condemns the attacks here. he said that he did meet a few times with tamerlan tsarnaev, the older brother, but they were

always at tamerlan's initiative. he said in those discussions, we never discussed religion or politics. he said he's cooperating with the fbi, had no prior knowledge of what happened here. and a lawsuit official confirmed to us today, erin, that in fact this meeting did take place. a search warrant was executed, but will say nothing more about it. >> susan, thank you very much. with the developments tonight from boston. as we learn more about the tsarnaev brothers' connections to chechen and kazakhstan, there are ties to uzbekistan. a 30-year-old uzbek national appeared in a sufficient court today on federal terrorism charges. a russian-speaking truck driver is accused of teaching people in idaho to build bombs that could blow up a public transportation system. he's also charged with providing money to terrorist groups back in uzbekistan. he pleaded not guilty this afternoon. this is obviously a crucial test for the future of terrorism in this country.

our own kyung lah is out front on the case. >> reporter: some agents wearing protective gear pulled bags out of the apartment of an uzbekistan national nabbed on federal terrorism charges. federal prosecutors say he's linked to the organization behind this video, the islamic movement of uzbekistan, a terrorist organization that dates back to the early '90s. but is today believed to be connected to a growing number of plots on the u.s. in federal court, he pleaded not guilty to a series of charges. the federal indictment says dating back to august of last year, he worked with co-conspirators to send computer software and money to the terrorist group in uzbekistan. a second federal indictment out of utah charges him with using internet videos, written recipes and instructional shopping trips, to demonstrate how to make ieds and other weapons of mass destruction.

prosecutors say in idaho, he possessed a hollow hand grenade, aluminum powder, potassium nitrate and sulfur. the parts to make a destructive device. the war on terror landing on the front doorstep of the neighbors who live in his apartment complex. >> gives me chills. >> reporter: uzbekistan is a world away to americans. many heard of the remote country in a joke from one-time presidential candidate herman cain. >> who's the president of uzbek i stan. i'm going to say i don't know. >> reporter: he referred to it as an insignificant kun there i. the connection to idaho shows the evolving face of global terror. >> people are radicalizing in the united states, or at least are accessing red cal networks from the united states in ways that they have not done before. >> reporter: the fbi stresses there is no connection between the boston marathon bombing and

carbanov's arrest. but there is a striking similarity. terror, home grown over the internet and social media, difficult to police, and in an entrenched war that will not end quickly. >> i would expect this to be a decades-long struggle. this is not going to happen tomorrow. it's not going to end next week or next month. it's going to take a long time. view this almost in cold war terms. >> this is pretty amazing when you look at a place like boise, and you have a guy teaching people how to make ieds and bombs. was he here legally? >> he actually was here legally. if you talk to some of the neighbors, erin, they'll tell you there was nothing remarkable with him. he kept a low profile, and as far as his record, it was pretty squeaky clean. all he had were a couple of traffic violations. >> just even more frightening, when you think about it. kyung lah, thank you very much. a former member of the fbi joint terrorism task force, you're particularly concerned

about this idaho case. >> this one does have me a bit more worried. and this is why. this does not seem to be the normal home-grown terrorist case like we've seen in other cases. as i understand it, this person came here under the aus pies es of being a christian, seeking asylum from his country. so there was an intent to deceive the federal government to come to the united states from the get-go. assuming that that's all true, he was more than likely radicalized before he came here. certainly he wasn't a home-grown self-taught islamic once he arrived in the united states. that was already in place. the other thing that has me concerned, as i understand it, within a short time of him relocating to the united states, he was back in touch with his facilitators, with his handlers, from his -- from the terrorist organization, from the imu. so that ups the ante a bit in my

estimation. >> and that wasn't picked up. seriously, this could be happening elsewhere. we're hearing about a guy getting ready to make ieds, at some point this would have been a horrific source. >> how many people are here under those same circumstances that are sent over claiming to be christians seeking asylum, how many of these guys are out there. and if they are taking direction from a foreign terrorist organization, what are they taking direction to do? plots overseas, plots here, both? i mean, this is a worrisome situation. >> all right. especially as you say, when you're disguising religion to try to go under the radar. this particular region of central asia, before the boston bombings, was not getting a lot of to cushion. we're talking about north africa getting a lot of focus because of the spread of al qaeda. but people hadn't been looking here. is this now going to be a crucial hotbed? >> people working in counterterrorism have always worried about this area. and it doesn't get the same media play like al qaeda, like

the heim, or west africa. but it still is very serious. these people train, they do the same in some cases, this eshare the same training techniques with al qaeda. some of the same areas they train in. they've kept most of their activities localized, which i think is why it doesn't get the play in the u.s. that it does in other areas. but certainly, you know, since boston, we've had two cases that have kind of popped up seemingly out of nowhere. is it going to be a trend? too early to say. >> certainly this story in idaho, a crucial one. thank you very much. appreciate your time, don. still to come, when the british toddler madeleine mccann disappeared in 2007, it captivated the world. tonight there is a huge development in that case. plus, just days after russia expelled someone they claimed was a top spy for the united states, the head of the cia in moscow is outed by its russian

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a big development in the case of madeleine mccann, the british toddler, she disappeared back in 2007. people around the world were glued to this case. tonight police say they have identified a number of suspects in her disappearance, after an extensive review by scotland yard. mccann went missing just a few days before her fourth birthday, during her family vacation in portugal. you may remember at that night, her parents were downstairs having dinner.

according to authorities, they've identified investigative and forensic opportunities that could be significant to the case. obviously this was six years ago. john walsh profiled mccann's case several times on "america's most wanted." he's met with mccann's parents. this is a huge development this would happen now. this is one of those cases people say this is a cold case. she disappeared six years ago this month. as we just saw in cleveland, there could be hope, right, john, that she's not just an -- that she's alive, right? >> well, we always caution parents to keep up the hope, and that you're your child's best chance of getting found, getting back alive, that you don't give up. i did go over to england and actually went to the mccanns' house. jerry mccann and i had been talking about the case. i teamed up with scotland yard. and the british press brutalized the mccann's, and the portugal police did a horrible job of pointing a finger at them.

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certainly, scotland yard, according to the people that i know at scotland yard, when i teamed up and went over there, that the mccanns in their minds were never suspects, that they believe maddy was kidnapped and hopefully is still alive. >> all right. we can all hope for that. that would just be an incredible and miraculous ending that would captivate the world. john, thank you very much. >> thank you. a professor and his wife found murdered this week. police actually think this might be the work of a serial killer. we'll show you how the path adds up. plus, pat robertson in very hot water over the controversial comments about adultery. does his opinion betray his faith. powerball is huge tonight. absolutely huge. and there's something you need to know. we used to live with . [growl] we'd always have to go everywhere with it. get in the front. we drive. it was so embarrasing that we just wanted to say, well, go away. shoo bear.

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welcome back to the second half of out front on this friday. we start with stories from the front lines. i want to begin with breaking news. we want to show you a live picture coming in right now, this is a train, a metro north commuter train, north of new york city. this is a derailment in southwestern connecticut. about 6:10 p.m. eastern, an eastbound train that left new york city at 4:41, or sorry, left new haven at 4:41, going to new york city, supposed to come in about an hour ago, derailed just east of a metro station. and when it did so, it hit a westbound train. some cars there were also derailed. we can't tell you much about the damage, but our understanding at this time, while this may seem severe, but we don't believe at this time that anyone was killed. we have learned on the night ariel castro was arrested,

cleveland animal control was called to castro's home to take in three dogs. cleveland animal control john baer talked to "outfront" today and said two are poodle/ter yri mix, and one was a chihuahua. they had matted hair, but other than that, he said they were perfectly healthy. they were spayed and neutered two days ago. the fbi wants to keep the dogs, until the three young women who were allegedly kidnapped by castro, decide whether they want to keep them. the pound is looking for someone to foster those dogs in the meantime. steven miller today admitted the irs targeted tea party groups. repeatedly he said it wasn't politically motivated. he said there were, quote, foolish mistakes for people looking to lighten their work load. an inspector general notified obama officials at the treasury

department about this investigation last june. that would mean obviously the obama administration was aware of the irs targeting conservative groups during the presidential campaign. sources, though, tell our jessica yellin at the white house says it wasn't notified. the gop is crying foul. first on cnn, john king has just learned the gop-led investigations into benghazi will carry on into the summer and beyond. the five chairman of the five separate house committees compared notes at a meeting organized by john boehner and eric cantor. the leadership's message, keep demanding access to documents and witnesses and keep the conspiracy theory rhetoric to a minimum. one participant in the meeting said, the facts are on our side. we can take it slow, and take it calmly. now, "outfront" upfront on the woman who had her hands, her feet and her left leg amputated.

but amy, and you've met her on this show a few times, is just an incredible woman. she has new prosthetic hands now. she's using them to chop vessels, iron press her hair, pick up tiny items, like skitles. she's telling us she's looking forward to cleaning house because with her new hands, because she said she's a neat freak. she said walking will be a dream come true. it has been 652 days since the united states of america lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? stocks continue to go higher. the dow and s&p finishing the week at a record. consumer sentiment at its highest level in six years. that is crucial as two-thirds of our company relies upon that. our third story "outfront," the cia. just this week, alleged spy was detained and kicked out of russia, amid allegations he was spying for the cia. now russia's federal security service, which is the successor

to the kgb, has outed the cia's alleged station chief in moscow. that's a pretty significant job at the cia. the breach of protocol raises questions about america's top spy agency. bob baer station chief, thanks so much for taking the time. i guess the main question here is, this alleged cia station chief, right, was working at the embassy. i mean, the most senior guy in one of the most important posts on the planet. is that normal he would have just been working at the embassy? >> absolutely, erin. because in a place like russia, american spies need the vienna convention, the diplomatic immunity to protect them. you wouldn't just send someone to moscow. they would end up in jail for years. it's been a tradition. just like the kgb, when they send people to washington, new york, are under official cover, yes. >> so official cover. so that part adds up to you.

does it add up that he would have been outed? is this just the russians making a decision, that it would be standard, they would know? or is this something where the cia may have somehow dropped the ball? >> well, they know who he was for sure. i mean, it's hard to conceal this. you know, with big data, and the rest of it. the question is, why did they make it so public? and the second question is, why was the trade craft, in this arrest of fogel a couple days ago, so awful? none of this makes any sense to me. anyone who's served behind the iron curtain, as we used to call it, would have never considered of the wigs, the compass, the maps. we were assigned to moscow, the first month you spend learning the streets, by memory. you don't have to carry a map around. you don't carry a compass. that's just silly. which makes me wonder if the russians didn't plant all of this. which they could have. and also, erin, you don't recruit in russia.

it's too dangerous. because the sendg people into t fake volunteers, we call them dangles, simply to compromise us. >> right. >> so what i'm worried about is, this is just indicative of bad relations with moscow. why are they doing this? why are they making it so public? why are they going out of their way to embarrass the cia? i just don't understand. >> let me ask you about this. the man, more junior cia, ryan fogel earlier this week, the picture of him is on the ground, when the russians were taking him into custody with a blond wig. it looked more like, i don't know, a guy going to some sort of a bizarre cross-dressing party. this does not look like a thing that somebody's trying to masquerade as somebody else would do. certainly not what we would expect out of the kraflt. >> no. it was an awful wig. and you don't use wigs in moscow. the person you're meeting or doing a brush pass with, he knows who you are. you don't need a wig. why was he wearing it in the

street. again, it makes me go back, did the russians put it on his head after they arrested him. this was all very dramatic, the arrest. the flash bulbs, they were clearly intending to set him up, which they did successfully. >> bob baer, thank you. a lot more questions to be answered on that. a cold case murder mystery, professor and doctor, roger rumbach and his wife, mary, were found dead on tuesday. but now investigators are trying to find out if their deaths are actually linked to another double murder in omaha in 2008. to a serial killer. ted rowlands is out front. >> reporter: 65-year-old dr. roger brumbach was in the process of retiring from the department of pathology at creighton university of the on tuesday, he and his wife mary were found dead inside their home. flash back to 2008, 11-year-old thomas hunter and shirley sherman were found dead in a

family home connected to creighton. thomas was the son of two doctors. his father, william hunter, worked with dr. brumbach as a pathologist. her brother, like many others in omaha, believes there's a good chance the same person killed all four people. >> if it was anybody other than somebody that worked in the pathology department at creighton, you wouldn't give it a second thought. >> reporter: they found the bodies after a pi on a mover saw mary brumbach and handgun magazine through a door left open at their house. why someone would kill the brumbachs is a mystery. >> when i heard the news last night, i was literally shaken. why would anyone want to harm them? >> reporter: police are keeping the details of the brumbach murders under seal while they investigate. the university says since the murders, they're taking extra security precautions. medical students wore their white coats to a prayer service

this week in honor of dr. brumbach. >> he always wore his white coat. when i imagine him in my mind, he's wearing his white coat. and that's just a tribute to his professionalism and dedication. >> ted, this story is so strange. what are people saying about the possible connection between the brumbach murders this week and those murders in 2008? >> well, obviously they are conducting their investigation, assuming that there possibly is a connection. in fact, they've taken the team that is working on the cold case from 2008, those detectives, and they are working side by side with the new team that's focusing on the brumbach murder. if you think about it, this is a tiny university. one department. what are the odds of two double murders not being related would be astronomical. so they're assuming there could be a connection. >> thank you very much, ted rowlands. still to come, pat robertson facing criticism for what you heard here last night when he said men are wired to cheat.

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we reach out to our sources around the world tonight. we begin in france, where jewels worth more than $1 million were stolen from a hotel in cannes. it happened on the second day of the world famous cannes film festival. i asked how the thieves pulled it off. >> the jewels were stashed inside the hotel safe of an employee. thieves gained access and then just unscrewed the safe off the wall with the jewels inside. now, police won't say which pieces were stolen, but the estimated value is as much as $1 million. now, shopard is the name in bling at the cannes film festival. because it doesn't just make the jewels for the "a" list, it also makes the coveted 24 karat gold palm door award. and these jewels were stolen at the same time that the bling ring was premiering at cannes. a movie about a group of teen thieves robbing celebrity homes. twitter was speculating of a pr

stunt. but french police say this heist is for real, erin. >> that's amazing, how people can do that. i want to go to canada now, where there are reports that toronto's mayor has been filmed smoking a crack pipe. i asked our paula newton on the ground what more she can tell us about it. >> erin, the city of toronto, in fact, much of canada is talking about little else. according to the toronto "star" a reputable newspaper in toronto, two of their reporters watched this video that they say shows the mayor of toronto, rob ford, smoking crack cocaine. now, we must say at krp, we've not been able to see this video, we cannot verify it. but these two reporters who say they viewed this video each three times, they say it is what they say it is. it is a video of rob ford actually smoking crack cocaine. which brings up a number of issues. now, for the mayor's part, he's denying it. he said the allegations are ridiculous. his lawyer is also saying that,

look, he will fight these charges. but i have to tell you that gawker.com in the united states now says that they want to make this video public. the person who first exposed the mayor said he will not make the video public unless he is paid. gawker said they have so far raised $20,000 and trying to determine how much will be enough to actually are elease this video. in the meantime, rob ford just continuing to say that these allegations are false. erin? >> thank you, paula. checking in now with anderson with what's coming up on "ac 360." >> that was about i czar. wow. okay. erin, we're keeping a close eye on severe weather expected just hours from now. we saw it obviously in texas. 35 million people are in the potential path of strong storms and possibly tornadoes. chad myers is tracking the storms. he's going to have the latest on their path at the top of the hour. we're also hearing from the officers, the police officers who rescued the three women held captive in cleveland. you're going to hear firsthand about the incredible moment when

they realized what they had found. the women they had found inside. seasoned police officers, breaking down in tears in this interview, as they recount the rescue. you'll hear that at the top of the hour. successful well-known doctor, miss iter usely becomes ill and dies three days later. the reason, cyanide poisoning. investigators looking into whether the young doctor was murdered. and a lot more at the top of the hour. >> anderson, thank you very much. we'll see you in a few moments. the backlash building against pat robertson. we heard from a lot of you after our segment last night on the televangelist whose husband cheated on her. what robertson said to this woman. >> he cheated on you. well, he's a man, okay. so what you do is begin to focus on why you married him in the first place. recognize also, like it or not, males have a tendency to wander

a little bit. and what you want to do is make a home so wonderful that he doesn't want to wander. >> this is what i did last night, just stared at the camera. poor people were saying poor mrs. robertson. the christian broadcasting network is trying to say this was a misunderstanding. and that, i quote them, his point was that everyone is human. and there's much temptation outside of the home, so she should do whatever she can to strengthen the home and relationship. however, the problem is this. when you listen to what robertson has said in the past about men straying, general petraeus and women, that statement doesn't seem to add up. >> a man is off in a foreign land and here's a good looking woman throwing herself at him. well, i'm married to him, so he's got to take me.

you've got to fix yourself up, look pretty. >> "outfront" writer, and radio show host stephanie miller, and hogan, the national communications director for rick santorum. hogan, robertson's comments really -- >> i knew you would start with me. >> you knew i would. they touched a nerve with a lot of people in the christian community. one listener wrote in, pat just said, quote, men tend to wander. i beg to differ. a real man does not wander or sin against his wife. he shouldn't be giving men excuses to sin. what is the truth here? because robertson's always citing scripture when he says these kinds of things. >> i'm not a spokesperson for pat robertson. but the person you just quoted is correct. the seventh commandment clearly states you shall not commit adultery. it does not say you should not commit adultery unless your spouse is not acting right. you obviously try to work things out in a mutual set of love and

respect. that's how it works. that's what marriage is about. but these kinds of comments obviously, he has a history of saying things like this. i think a lot of these things are taken out of context. i think a lot of these things are a sort of per version of scripture. it's clear you shouldn't commit adulte adultery. i think pat robertson knows that. i do agree partially with the statement is, yes, we are all sinners. men are sinners. but so are women as well. the fact of the matter is, when you about ut two sinners together, there's a lot of sin in the relationship. but you should seek christ first. i think that's what he would tell you. it doesn't fall all on the woman's responsibility to be a good wife. it doesn't prevent her being a perfect wife, and him being a perfect husband doesn't prevent infidelity at all. if he's perfect, she still can stray, and if she's perfect, he still can stray. we're just two >> well, you're very generous to pat. let me quote something that one

christian pastor wrote about pat robertson today. i assure you i oppose nearly everything pat robertson says. i think he's a lunatic looking to gain attention and most importantly, donations to his foundation. robertson says his program reaches one million americans a day which is a shocking thing but -- >> he's a clan leader. >> there are a lot of people who listen to what he has to say is perhaps frightening and offensive to some, but it is true. why aren't more well-known christians coming out saying this is absolutely absurd? >> first, i think there's a track record with pat robertson saying so many ridiculous things, you get tired denouncing the guy. last year, don't forget, he did come out in favor of legalizing marijuana so maybe he's smoking a lot of marijuana, going on air and giving his opinions. we don't know. the truth is, the christian community had the same problems that i do in the muslim community where we have to stop being defined by our extremists. what i can share with my christian brothers and sisters, if you don't stand up against these people, you will be defined by the pat robertsons and american family association

out there so you have to stand up and make clear they don't represent your faith. people think they're fine, oh, that's right, that's part of the faith. >> hogan, i want your response to that. first, stephanie, what do you think about that point, christianity could be defined by people like pat robertson. to dean's point as a muslim, that is as bad as what's happening to the muslim faith. >> well, erin, this is what, as i'm listening to this whole conversation, annoys the bejesus out of me, pardon me. this is a guy that has a lot to say about homosexuality, something jesus never mentioned. apparently, he's a little loopholey about the whole adultery thing which as hogan said is very clear in the bible. so to just say ah, men wander, and then go on television and say gays are promiscuous and that's why it's immoral, this is just, you know, it's disgusting, honestly. >> hogan, let me play that, as dean and stephanie both referred to other things pat robertson has said. for those out there who don't listen to his radio program, which i'm sure there are some who watch this program, let me play it.

>> there's never been a civilization ever in history that has embraced homosexuality and turned away from traditional fidelity, traditional marriage, traditional child rearing, and has survived. i think the antichrist is islam. the separation of god from government has been a tragedy for the whole country. the thing that shocks me, shocks me -- >> yeah, yeah. >> a boy thing. a guy thing. but now, it looks like 30% of women are involved in pornography. >> hogan, as someone, you worked for rick santorum, you believe very much in faith, it's part of who you are, it's part of why you were involved in politics. when you hear pat robertson with a million people around the country listening to him and a lot of people who respect what he has to say, say things like that, i think the antichrist is islam and say this thing about homosexuality, don't you need to say this is totally unacceptable

and denounce him? >> look, again, i'm not speaking on behalf of pat robertson here. doesn't speak for all christians. he sure doesn't speak for christianity as a whole. christianity should be based on the inherent inspired infallible word of the lord christ. that's what most of us look at. that's what most of us turn to in times of need, in times of want, in times of plenty, because that's what the bible tells us to do. we don't look to pat robertson, and again, he makes comments like this all the time. it does drive people to his network, it does drive up donations. i understand he believes the way he believes and he's entitled to do that. >> hogan, the truth is -- >> hogan, he speaks for a lot of people, including your candidate, rick santorum, in the republican party that have talked this way about, for instance, homosexuality, and that is just morally repugnant but you know, a couple hookers in a hotel room, the woman should just kind of hush about that, that's moral values? >> quick thing, there was a poll

of college students, 65% of college students view christianity as being anti-gay. that is the problem being defined by your extremists. faith is no longer love your brother. it's about hating gays. that's college students in america. that's the way they feel as of last year. that has to change. you need the moderate voice to stand up and say he's wrong on stuff about gays, mormons, muslims. you can't demonize people in the name of jesus christ. it's wrong. >> that's fine. college students can have their own opinions. and they can change their own opinions and so can the opinion of america. but the god of abraham, isaac and jacob does not change and will not change regardless of what pat robertson tries to do to it. >> all right. thanks very much to all three of you. appreciate your time tonight. up next, the burlesconi party that involves dressing up. welcome to the new buffalo... where new york state is investing one billion dollars to attract and grow business. where companies like geico are investing in technology & finance. welcome to the state where cutting taxes for business... is our business.

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former italian prime minister silvio berlusconi has sfub successfully made a comeback in politics, placing second in the last election. lot of people left him for completely gone but that's certainly not the case. it doesn't mean, though, that the baggage attached to his underaged sex scandal is going away. after all, prosecutors are trying to make him go to jail for six years for that. today, the woman at the center of the scandal, ruby the heart stealer, gave evidence in court for the first time.

now, she denied having sex with berlusconi when she was underaged but she did reveal some very interesting things about berlusconi's infamous bunga-bunga parties. he's the one that calls them that. i have heard friends of his tell me that he calls them that in casual terms. this is not us making a big deal of it. according to her, berlusconi's disco room was always fitted with a stripper pole, packed with beautiful young girls. okay, that part you would expect in a bunga-bunga room dressed as nuns, you might expect that too but also, at least once dressed as president barack obama. okay. if that is true, silvio berlusconi is rather depraved. how is a woman dressed as president obama sexy? now, look, we know some of this stuff is funny or so bizarre you feel a smile cross your face but there are very serious matters here. italy's unemployment remains at a 20-year high and one of the few people italians think might be able to fix it is embroiled in an underaged prostitution scandal and wiretapping scandal.

what does that say about italy and europe's ability to kick off this crisis and rise again? barack obama, women dressed as barack obama, only part of the problem. thanks so much for watching. have a great weekend. "ac 360" starts now. good evening, everyone. tonight, details you haven't heard about the rescue of the cleveland women held captive for close to a decade. the police officers who were first inside the house are telling their stories for the first time. >> within moments, she came charging at me. she jumped on to me, she's like you saved us, you saved us, and i'm holding on to her so tight, and then within a few seconds, i see another girl come out of the bedroom. i just look at her. you can immediately tell who it is, just thinner, and again, i just needed confirmation, and i asked her what's your name.