with a moat. yes, a literal moat. so welcome to america, don't mind the alligators. the cent answer to our gps challenge question was, 5678d, britain has more tornadoes per square mile than any other nation in the world, including the u.s., but most tornadoes here are relatively weak. and perhaps the earliest recorded tornado in history struck here in 1091. that storm is said to have made left-hand bridge fall down, not for first time or the last time. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. stay tuned for "reliable sources." the obama administration's war against leaks just seems to keep on escalating. now we discover that the justice department sees personal e-mails from a fox news reporter and phone records from the network. >> you can't look at this and see it as anything other than an

attempt to basically scare anybody from ever leaking anything ever again. so they want to criminalize journalism. >> does this administration view national security reporters as potential criminals? the devastating tornado in oklahoma that cut such a swath of destruction. >> we're following the breaking news. indeed, a massive twister ripping through the oklahoma city area. >> this isn't out in the middle of nowhere. this is a densely populated area with schools, malls, homes, businesses that have been destroyed, blown apart into bits, into millions and millions of pieces. >> we'll talk to a local columnist about covering the heartbreaking story in his backyard. talk radio is dominated by conservatives, so is there really a place for a host that proudly proclaims highway nos labels. a conversation with michael

smerconi smerconish. plus, my close enkour ter with google glass. >> i have to get used to the fact while i can see you and see all around this room, there's a computer here that i can see out ever my right eye. >> they look downright weird, but could we all be getting our news from these digital glasses? we'll try them on hor size. i'm howard kurtz, and this is "reliable sources." we learned this week thanks to "the washington post" of yet another leak investigation by the obama administration. this one with a disturbing twist for those who champion freedom of the press. it was in 2009 that james rosen, fox's chief washington correspondent, reported the findings of u.s. intelligence officials that north korea was likely to respond to u.n. sanctions with more nuclear tests. now, that prompted federal prosecutors to investigate rosen's dealings with the state department official, including monitoring rosen's g mail account and the badge that allowed him access to the state

department. but the justice department wasn't just trying to catch a leaker. a government affidavit describing rosen as at the very least either as an aider, abettor, and/or co-conspirator. >> the justice department was alleging that the reporter in question, our colleague, james, had engaged possibly in a conspiracy, a criminal conspiracy, which means, martha, that the obama/holder justice department is now prepared to treat the ordinary news gathering activities of rompers trying to seek information from government officials as a possible crime. >> fox's lawyers have asked rosen not to discuss the case, but he did say this. >> as a reporter i will always honor the confidentiality of my dealings with all of my sources. >> yeah. >> justice department says it doesn't anticipate bringing any charges beyond the indictment of steven kin, the state department official being prosecuted in the leak case. joining us now in new york kelly goff, special correspondent for the root.com. and here in washington, tim carney, senior political

columnist for the washington examiner and ryan lizza, washington correspondent for the new yorker and a cnn contributor. ryan, you broke the news this week that justice had gone after several phone lines belonging to the fox news washington bureau. let's start with the latest developments. cnn and "the new york times" reporting last night that justice -- or you should say law enforcement officials say justice did notify three years ago news korp about the subpoena for the phone regards separate from james rosen's personal g mail account and news korp executives indicating that fox news was not informed. does this change the nature of this story? >> i don't think it changes that much. it adds a piece of information. when i called fox this week and asked them did they know that these five fox phone lines were targeted, a spokesperson said no, and they referred me to a previous statement. of it sounds like from what fox is saying now is that there was some kind of communications gap in between news korp, the parent

company, and fox news, and this information wasn't passed on to fox news. look, the reason that this seems to be leaking out of the government right now is because the government is -- wants to at least put forward that they were somewhat responsible in this case. the justice department is supposed to inform us when they subpoena our phone records. >> by us you mean generalists. >> i mean journalists. they have guidelines, very strict guidelines to govern this, so it was curious -- it would have been very odd if they hadn't told fox news. i think what we're seeing over the weekend is the government trying to say, as bad as this case may looks, we swear we did tell news corp. about the subpoenas to the phone lines. >> and that sensitivity may be underscored by the fact in the case involving the associated press a couple months of phone records by ap editors and journalists being monitored by justice, there was no notification. kelly goff, if justice department notified news corp.,

fox's parent, three years ago, does that change the nature of the chour? >> well, it changes the nature of that specific story, howard. i don't think it changes the nature of the fact that i think you can't help being a member of the media and not be upset about this. that's just the reality. unfortunately we don't seem to have much backup. when i say we i mean members of the media from the rest of americans. pew just released a poll that showed in terms of news coverage, americans are following benghazi and the irs scandal more closely than they're following this scandal which we're all very concerned about. now, there's some obvious reasons for that. all americans have to pay tacks. not everyone has to report news. but i think that ultimately it doesn't change the fact that this i think could end up being a more harmful story to the administration in the long term an benghazi or irs because ultimately media helps shape the coverage of the administration, and i think there's a huge measure of distrust that's brewing that is not going to go away particularly as more details come out. >> i think keli makes a great

point. the distrust of obama, that, frankly, a lot of us on the right have been saying there should be more of, has really bubbled up in the last few months. it started with jay carney very clearly -- the white house press secretary, no relation to me, very clearly trying to be clintonian with his words talking about benghazi and reporters realized their legs were getting pulled and this comes up and reporters are starting to see not only can we not always trust that the administration is being forthcoming but that they play hardball. this is something that conservatives have been saying -- >> you're saying the mainstream media is catching pup. >> they're catching up. >> at the risk of being in the position of the scandal i care about is more important than the scandkand you care about, the i and benghazi are very important. but long term what the justice department did the search warrant, they crossed a line that no administration has ever crossed. the nixoned a yrtion didn't do it, the bush administration considered doing it and there was an uproar -- >> let's make that line bright,

red, and clear. this search warrant referred to james rosen, widely respected fox news correspondent, as a co-conspirator or potential co-conspirator. he's not going to be charged. it was a way of getting at his e-mails to track this leak investigation. that in and of itself is a sea change you're saying? >> it's a sea change. i would challenge the last parted of that, howie. i think if you look at all -- everytng they did in the early parts of this investigation, they were pursuing a criminal conspiracy between james rosen and kim. some people are saying they were never going to charge rosen to begin with. i'm not so sure about that. if you read the language of the warrant, they were saying this guy is engaged in espionage with the state department official and we've got to go get his e-mails. if you look at what separately they went into federal court and they said we can't tell rosen ever about the search warrants because we may need to go back and monitor his e-mail account indefinitely if we find evidence of further crimes. so that's the line that they crossed. they suggested that potentially

you could indict a member of the media for doing routine reporting. obama is going to be gone in 3 1/2 years and this precedent in this search warrant will be sitting out there for the next president or justice department to use. >> again, it was news corp. that was notified. fox news said it did not low about this. let me read for those of you following this a statement -- actually a memo to fox news staff by the chief executive of the network roger ailes. he says the administration's attempt to intimidate fox news and the em plis will not succeed and their excuses will not test the law of the test of decency, nor test of time. we will not allow a climate of press intimidation unseen since the mccarthy era to frighten any ever us away from the truth. tim? >> it's certainly an attempt to frighten would-be leakers. that's one of the things they want to do. say if you talk to reporters, we will come after you, and because even if you're using personal e-mails, even if you're meeting privately, what the rosen case shows is they're going to track you and keep up with you.

i see the attempt to -- i don't think they were actually trying to prosecute james rosen. they had to name him as a possible co-conspirator in order to get around privacy laws in order to get at his e-mail. >> wait a second. you don't just go to a judge and say, oh, we don't really think this give is a criminal but we're going to say so in a search warrant because we want to look at his e-mails. you have to look at the search warrant -- language in the search warrant and assume that the fbi agent who wrote it meant what he wrote. he said we believe he's a co-spon spir for year. i think that's letting the justice department off the hook way too easily. >> keli, i know you want to jump in. let me briefly, and i will turn the microphone over to you. let me play something that president obama said in his speech this week where he touched on the controversy because the administration obviously has been getting hammered, including by those of us in the press, for its approach to these leak investigations. >> i'm troubled by the possibility that leak investigations may chill the investigative journalism that

holds government accountable. journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs. >> keli? >> look, you know it's a bad week in terms of prs coverage when the president would rather give a speech drawing attention to one of his biggest campaign promises he never fulfilled, closing gitmo, because that's a better news story than the other stories he has to contend with this week. >> let me jump in here in saying that we should consider t tth the ---ed administration should consider a media shield law for journalists. is the president re treating a bit and more importantly he says journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs but doesn't the actions of his ownous tis department and attorney general eric holder approved the subpoena in the fox case, doesn't the actions of his own justice department suggest otherwise? >> in a word, yes. it does. and i think it's a problem.

i think the media shield law idea is great, who doesn't, but you're right. there's a contradiction here. i'm going to be honest though, i think the administration in some ways is counting on a couple things. rs musen has a poll that shows 6% of americans trust journalism, trust journalists. i think gallup poll said 60% don't trust us very much. they're kind of counting on the fact that most americans probably aren't going to be as outraged as we are. the other thing they're counting on is the pew poll shows in terms of covering these scandals, those who are actually following the scandal closely, that he is a huge partisan divide with republicans following them more closely than others and not many following this media one at all. i think they are not anticipating it's going to have a real impact. i'm just being candid. >> let me make sure everyone gets a last word. this week lois learner took the fifth before a congressional committee. now on administrative leave. are journalists -- >> that's not my skand ideal.

>> that's not your scandal. the american people care more about the irs than the workings of press versus justice department although as you say fundamental freedoms are at stake not just for reporters, but trying to ferret out any information that an administration might not like to be made public. >> it's hard for the average person at home to make track of it all. in the long term what the justice department did in the search warrant could have more profound effects on not to be, you know, overblown here, on our democracy than some low-level em ploo he is in cincinnati who were doing something really stupid at the irs is. >> but the idea that outside groups, people who are not media organizations, should be really worried about what they're saying about politicians. that's what the irs thing is about. these were nonprofit groups and the worry was they were getting too political. that's also a flet to sort of democracy and it's people who don't have a giant microphone like we do. >> both of these scandals will

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the moments before that terrifying tornado struck the town of moore, oklahoma, local television played a key role in broadcasting the warnings. >> we've got significant debris. i just got hit upside the head by at least some quarter-sized hail that's been pinging around. arcadia, luther, you're in the

path of this tornado. >> j.d., in 20 years, i have never said that but i think it's time to go. we're leaving the radar image up but it appear that is it's time for all of us to get to shelter. >> after the tornado struck, anchors and reporters descended on oklahoma not just to assess the damage but for the difficult task of talking to those who survived the storm that killed 24 people in a matter of minutes. >> teachers do an incredible job every day of the year all around this country, but what happened here yesterday, the heroism shown by so many teachers. >> i told them to get underneath the desk and i put them two by two and i said, okay, we're going to play our musical instruments and play worms and play as loud as we can. i didn't want them to hear the roar. >> and jordan, how long did that tornado seem to last for you? >> forever. it seemed like it was like an hour. like it was crazy. i mean, i can't even believe we survived that. >> president obama is headed to oklahoma this morning and with

the media in full purssuipursui will take on the role that's being a signature responsibility of the modern presidency, that of consoler in chief when tragedy strikes. i spoke earlier with barry trammel, a columnic for the oklahoman newspaper who has been covering the tornado's impact. >> gabarry, welcome. you wrote about a picture taken by one of your photographer. it was titled the hug that triumtr trioomphs over tragedy. why was that image so important? >> a white man and a little black boy, you wonder what's going on here and you find out it's two neighbors just happy to be reunited and, you know, the joy on -- the relief on the face of jim really told the story of thankfulness and togetherness.

tragedies like this are just for riffic and devastating, but they also bring people together, and oklahomans know that all too well. >> unfortunately, that is the case. now, you're a sports columnist by trade. this is not the first time you have been pulled off the sports beat to cover.devastation and the aftermath of a tornado, correct? >> that's right. 1999 i spent about ten days in the aftermath of the tornado. also 1995 the bombing, i left sports for a couple weeks to cover the bombings. in fact, i remember in '99 covering the tornado we had several slips of the tongue. people referred to it as the bombing because there were so many similarities to the feeling and the despair compared to the murrah building bombing. >> right, and that sense of tragedy can be so sudden. now, one of the things that

struck me in reading what you've done this week is the old-fashioned door knocking that you have engaged in. you talked to a woman named dorice biddy who survived a twister as you called them there in 1973 and she's from the town of moore which was, of course, badly devastated by this latest tornado and she told you if you kick somebody from moore, we kick back. is that typical of the spirit of the people you have been talking to? >> it seems to really be because for whatever reason, this is a place sitting here between norman and oklahoma city for whatever reason, this attracts tornadoes, and this is the second massive one to come through in 14 years. an f-5 or better. so for people to continue to come back and rebuild i think is a testament to their spirit. you know, often times when we talk about neighborhoods, we ask

people, you know, why would you come back and what we really mean is why would you come back to this hood, and the answer is we want to come back to these neighbors. so this is a place that hasn't an incredible spirit. i actually grew up ten miles south of here down in norman, but my wife is from moore. her and her family still live here. most every oklahoman has a connection with moore and it's a place that is showing remarkable resiliency. >> since you did grow up in that area, i have to ask you, how hard is it personally, emotionally, to report on this kind of tragedy, children killed, the death and destruction in your own community, in your own backyard? >> well, it's very difficult. even, you know, even if it's somebody you just met, you feel an instant connection with them. you know, you talked about, you know, the people i knocked on

their door, walked up to their rubble, and, you know, most of them are very accommodating, wanting to share their story. and you feel an instant connection with them and they feel a connection with you, and, you know, for all of the horrific things that happened when a tragedy like this strikes, it does create a sense of community and it does bring people together, and we get a sense that we're all in this together, and, you know, good things do come out of it. talking about jim and hezakiah, the man and the bill boy, all kinds of good things come out of this. it's awful that we have to go through it, and it's very difficult for all concerned, not just journalists, for the responders, for the medical people, for the law enforcement, everybody goes through very difficult times, but the sense that we're all in this together really lifts people through it. >> and i think the media have done a good job of spotlighting

the hope and humanity in that situation. but you talked to two couples who are not pleased with the national media. one had a beef about being on ""good morning america."" what is the essence of the xhant? >> some of it was a new york thing. they thought the new yorkers were a little pushy. frankly, you know, down in oklahoma we've got a different kind of personality. if you're not used to that, it can be off-putting. i don't think -- i assume the new york media was not trying to be that way. it's just sort of the nature of their personality. they also thought there was a little bit of exploitation on the "good morning america" with hezakiah and jim did a spot for "good morning america" and sat out and did an early morning shoot and the father of the 6-year-old boy didn't want his son exposed to a lot of the despair, a lot of the damage,

wanted him to be as far away as possible. instead, they put him right in the front of a destroyed house and they were pretty upset about that. so you can understand that kind of thing. i also understand that, you know, shows and television productions need good scenes and, you know, the rubble that we -- that is all around us is a remarkable story telling mechanism itself. so i can see both sides and what we're dealing with, people that don't typically deal with the media and, you know, those people just really don't know what they're getting into. any don't know how it works. they don't know what to look for. they don't know what to ask. soon enough they learn. it's just -- it's one of the unfortunate by-products of a tragedy like this.

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it was huge news in the tech world. yahoo!, the internet giant whose star has dimmed in recent years, spending more than a billion dollars to buy tumblr, the hip multimedia platform launched by david karpe, a major league gamble for yahoo! ceo's marissa mayer. but can yahoo! make this work without spoiling the free wheeling spirit that's made tumblr so popular. i spoke with mario armstrong,

digital lifestyle expert for hln and katy, digital analyst for spike tv. how would you describe the connection of yahoo! and tumblr. >> i like to say it's the super hot supermodel paired with the old creepy guy, and you're like this just doesn't kind of work, what's going on here? the old creepy guys a a billion dollars. that's why there's a mismatch. that's how i like to think of it. >> the old creepy guy is headed by a woman yea. marissa mayer vowed not to screw it up. why did she say that? >> because she better not. yahoo! is in a state of emergency right now. everyone can act like oklahoma but really they're not. this could be seen as a desperate move but i think it's a smart move. >> explain yahoo! has a history of acquiring other companies and

not doing well by them. why do you say yahoo! is desperate or in need of a hit of strength? >> this is a major search destination but they have to grow beyond that. they have to get into areas where they have seen google and apple grow in. flicker has become garbage, but they revamped it so it really looks awesome now. so that also shows they're moving quick. she's trying to steer the titanic with a quick right turn and i think she's making some fast moves to do so. >> people love the independence of tumblr, but it makes very little money. isn't that a problem for yahoo!? >> that is a problem. at the end of the day they're going to figure out a way to monetize but they didn't buy it strictly for the revenue. they bought it for the team community. yahoo!, it's not cool. it has never been synonymous with cutting edge --

>> it's not cool with you heck experts but it has a lot of traffic. >> it's not cool with the younger audience. >> where are they going to grow? they're great if you start looking at the numbers of 35 or 40 or op. they're pretty solid but how are they going to get the new market. >> speaking of age, david karpe, the high school dropout who created tumblr, in his official statement he signed off with the "f" word, is it important that yahoo! said he will stay on and continue to run tumblr and have a lot of autonomy. >> they would have had a mass exodus of people leaving tumblr had that statement not been there. they just opened up a new york office for 500 employees. that's not going to be where tumblr will be. they will stay in their office. this is like google buying youtube and youtube stays separate. this could be tremendously successful. >> tumblr has a lot of porn. it's part of its popularity and there was some question about whether yahoo! would change that. yahoo! has signaled they're not going to mess with the "x" rated content. >> porn has driven the tech

community. it's really driven everything. i think we're all on the same page there. it will be interesting to see how things transpire strictly speaking on the porn side. >> both of you seem to think this is a gamble for yahoo!, obviously spending a lot of money but one that could pay off for a company that needs to appeal for younger folks who are fickle a fickle. >> i think it's a smart acquisition. i think at the end of the day i like many bloggers went oh as soon as i heard it was going down. >> that was your official reaction? >> it was eww, what? >> a lot of grumbling on tumblr. but they think yahoo! might screw it up. >> a lot of grumbling went down when facebook bought instagram. they kept it separate. this is about what will happen down the line. will it remain independent? they have $4 billion to spend, hoop does. so this really is pennies when you look at that bucket of money they actually have to spend. >> spare change. >> she's been making a lot of other acquisitions that are

smart and strategic as well. the bottom line is journalists love tumblr, too. they don't want to see it get messed up with advertising. >> we'll keep an eye on it. mario, katy, thanks for joining us. several news outlets reporting that yahoo! is also making a bid for the tv streaming website hulu. next we finally get our hands on the hottest gadget around. google glass. is this how we'll all be getting our news? as he goes back to taking tylenol. that was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again, and now i gotta take more pills. ♪ yup another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. ♪ [ male announcer ] this may, buy aleve and help those in need.

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we've been hearing about google glass for more than a year but now the company is letting selected tech writers try out these wearable computers. we're getting the first journalistic evaluations of how well they work and whether the media hype is warned. in the interest of firsthand research i had katie linen dal lend me her pair. >> this is first time you have ever tried it, right? >> two ways to activate it. you can double click on the side. >> i have to get used to fact while i can sigh you and see all around this room, there's a

computer here that i can see out of my right eye. >> there is. >> and it tells what you time it is and it says okay glass. >> now you have activated it by that command. >> i can talk to this thing. >> now you have commands right in front of your face. >> clearly when i start to walk down the street and i'm saying okay glass people are going to think i'm crazy. >> and/or taking photos of video of them. >> now it vanished. what happened? >> you have to activate two ways. double click or tilt your head up. i have it set to a 20 degree angle. the screen will come right back on. >> this is feeling socially inappropriate. okay. came back on. how do i get it to do something? >> there's a command on the screen. >> yes. >> you have to say that command. >> okay glass. >> now follow any of those other commands. >> send a message to -- no network connectivity. this is the problem i have with my laptop. >> you have to be connected to wi-fi which is a little annoying, a little frustrating. >> okay glass, record a video. i am looking into the cameraman,

oliver, also looking at katy. here is looking around the room. there's the staff looking very -- rapt attention to what we are doing as they should be. >> automatically takes a ten second video. >> you didn't tell me about the time limit. >> i'm teaching you as we go. there's a shutter button like a camera right here. >> okay glass. record a video. and let's take a little walk. >> now, to extend it hit that button again for as long as you have. >> i only have five seconds to go. walking down the hall into the makeup room. and this is where everybody gets beautiful for cnn. hey. it worked. thanks, katy. >> so there you go. >> when i finished fumbling around with the glasses we sat down with our tech experts to get their take. katy, we love our gadgets, but tell me why on earth i need

google glass? >> 2013 is all about wearable technology and i know i see you looking at me and you're thinking you look like a total tool, right? >> that's not the first phrase that would have come to mind. >> i see what you're going with here. a lot of people have said this isn't really an appealing wearable technology piece but it is amazing. we were talking about this earlier, mario and i, when we were saying how fascinating it is to have a computer right on your face and to have this capability to text and e-mail and take pick tuesday and video just like that. >> let's leave aside the fact i look a little strange to people walking down the street, it's very distracting. at the same time this thing says oklahoma glass. it's kind of distancing. >> maybe to you it feels that way, but the idea is -- i think this is more distancing than that. if i'm sitting here having a conversation and i'm texting away on my phone, you are totally ignoring me -- >> put that thing down. >> at least i feel like i have eye to eye contact. maybe i'm not listening to you and i'm watching a video but at least you feel like i'm listening to you. >> is it potentially, wearing

these google qulass, more than distracting, could it be dang dangero dangerous? you're walking across the street and there's traffic. >> the biggest take away is the privacy concern. it's awesome to be wearing them. it's not awesome to be on the other side of it. >> why is that? >> people's authenticity changes when they knew they're being recorded. they don't like it. >> with a little bit of a tap or a spoken command, you can turn on a video recorder or take pictures and somebody -- you guys don't know i'm taking a picture of you, maybe you're not in a position that you want to be photographed and then i can, what, put it on twitter, put it on facebook? >> the fact you have it on makes me aware you could be even doing that. the authenticity of what you would be acting like in that natural state without that being in front of you -- >> i have a technical term for what we just described, it's creepy. it's creepy to think we could become a surveillance society and people could be walking down the street secretly videotaping each other and then posting on the internet. the shreds of privacy we still

have could be obliterated boo i this thing. >> could i play devil's advocate? i think where it becomes cool is to pop somebody into your point of view. point of view is nothing knew, we have seen them in sunglasses. you can mount a chest mount on you. nothing new but to have that capability, you think about the journalism moments and facebook revolutions in egypt. the capability to take photo and video at really great quality. -- >> you're saying it could change the nature of citizen journalism because somebody is out where there's a tornado or hurricane or sinkhole and you capture it here. >> you're seeing a lot of gymists wanting -- >> you can't be seeing that many because it's hard to get ahold of. >> this is true. you can tell by what they've been doing. >> narrator: line. there's a google plus social neatwork for gymsts about google glass. i believe it's the largest hurdle, and that is the prich si concern. i think a lot of people already

have a negative sentiment before trying them on because of what people think it can and will do. >> you have to try them on to really experience it. you just tried them on for the first time. you can't explain them without seeing right through the lens. it's a whole other world once you put them on. i think the other challenge they're facing is making these things look cool. i have a first nerd problem as i call it trying to get them over my glasses. >> and those are cool glasses. you don't want to mess those up. >> leaving aside the coolness factor and your glasses even without google look very cool, "the new york times" and cnn are among those developing apps for google glass. how important could this potentially be to journalism and how important will that be to goinging if a lot of news organizations sign on. >> i think you're going to see both uses right now with google glass. you're going to start seeing news story that is would norm normally be radio being able to

be shown in radio. npr would really latch on. >> it's only going to be huge if lots and lots of people buy them. we're now accustomed to everybody having the ipad, the iphone. these could be pretty expensive and some may decide it's not worth it. >> i spoke to google. they're hoping for q4. that means holiday. i paid $1,500 for those with taxes it comes to about $1,633. insane amount of money. i have my security team right over there. the point being -- >> the average consumer is not going to do that. >> i use them for my job. it was -- obviously. for a consumer perspective, i think it will hit about $500. google has not hit a price point. to really make them catch on $250, not going to happen. >> we'll see how popular they become and how distracting they are. katy, mario, thanks for joining us. >> thanks. google says it's a work in progre progress. next, michael smerconish on his move to satellite radio.

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xm and he's trying to move beyond the usual left/right partisanship. >> welcome. >> thank you. >> talk radio dominated by conservatives with a niche for liberals and you are neither. how does that work? >>. >> i'm an independent and i think i'm a throwback in so far as talk radio when i cut my teeth was based upon who had personality and who could conduct a conversation. there were no litmus tests. there was not a demand for ideological purity and that's what it's become. >> this is a ching for you. for 30 years you identified yourself as a republican until 2010. >> true. >> what happened? >> well, i think that i matured. i think my politics changed. i think that happens when people grow older in life. i became disenchanted with what the industry became because when i started in the business, this isn't the way it was. the business has gone polar and it's taken the country with it. i draw a correct causal connection between what happens in washington and what has happened in the world ever the

polarized media and i think the nation suffers. >> is this related to your decision to give unyour philadelphia root show and go on satellite radio. >> it's all connected. i was on 80 affiliates across the country and i didn't like howard being branded by the company that i kept because that didn't represent what my program has come to offer in the last couple years -- >> a top radio official told "the washington post" that your home station wanted to remain conservative and you had bm lec left of center. were you eased out of the jo be? >> i was not. i told the station i was leaving. and they were flabbergasted when i broke the news 37. >> you fell in on mbs so it sounds like you have moved to the left. >> i think i'm a centrist. i have never self branded as a conservative. it's true i have been a republican for much of my adult life. i'm registered as an independent. 60% of the country is now identifying as being independent

and yet independents aren't represented in the media world in which we live. >> you wrote for "the huffington post," the national gop is a party of exclusion and litmus test dominated by the religious right with zero discernible outreach by national party to anyone who doesn't fit neatly within the parameters. that sounds like you don't like the modern republican party. >> well, i i don't. i think the modern republican party like the world of talk road is too old, too white, too male, and too angry and that's not what i represent. at least not the anger part. >> let's talk about where you are because it seems to me that this partnership that you have grown tired of you say, you think it's gotten stale and polarizing, is also what attracts audiences. look at the biggest names in the business, rush limbaugh, sean hannity, they have clearly identified political philosophies. they're not in the middle as you say you are. >> what it attracts is passion. i don't think it attracts raw numbers. i don't think that it's representative of where the country is. i think that those who are most

passionate are a small but loyal listening group, but that is not reflective of where this nation is. let me explain it to you this way. when i'm leading my real life, if i'm at a back to school night, if i'm grocery shopping, if i'm pumping gas and people should recognize me and engage me in cable television news or in talk radio. they are conservative on some things, liberal on others and that's where i am. >> i think you touched on something important here. what explains in your view the polarization in all forms of media, websites, blogs, cable television, as well. if that is disconnected from what you say is the average americans in the grocery line, why has it become so ideological for those of us in this business? >> it is one of the great ironies is that we never had the level of choice that we have today and yet people are gravitating to be associated only with the like minded. i know people that woke up after the 2012 election and it was

like a truck had hit them. they did not see the romney loss coming. >> this is a business and the organizations that are doing this and the pundits are doing it to attract ratings and clicks and you come along and say i'm 0 not going to play that game but it is hard for you to compete. >> i'm willing to roll the dice and make that effort. i sleep well at night and i believe i represent most of the country. i i think there's something to be said for embracing independence. i think cnn should embrace independence. i think that's the brand that is most authentic and where most of the country is. >> glad to hear you are sleeping well at night. thank you very much for stopping by. back in a moment. the media monitor is straight ahead. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios

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sometime for the "media monitor" our look at the hits and errors in the media business. james mayor examined a controversy that was to air on new york's public television station wnet. the show focused on one of the buildings residents david koch who happens to have donated

large sums of money to wnet. the station to its credit broadcast the program but not before wnet president shapiro called koch to warn him and aired a statement from him after the show. he later resigned from the board of directors. sometimes the best advice for journalists is read my lips. dozens of news organizations reporting on president obama giving a commencement speech last weekend quoted him as saying be the best husband to your wife or boyfriend to your partner or father to your children that you can be. what the president actually said at morehouse college was this. >> be the best husband to your wife. or your boyfriend or your partner. >> how did they get it wrong? most journalists wrote from the prepared tkt released by the white house, nothing wrong with that. what they missed is the gay-friendlied a lib lib act

being the best husband to your boyfriend. that's it for this edition of reliable sources. hope you are enjoying memorial day weekend. if you miss our program check us out every monday on ie tune. surgery for reliable sources in the itunes store. we are back 11:00 a.m. eastern for another look at the media. state of the union with candy crowley starts right now. rebuilding in oklahoma as political storm chasers keep busy in washington. today, 16 minutes of terror now turns into years of recovery. oklahoma governor mary fallin on rebuilding the town of moore in the wake of an f-5 tornado and protecting residents from the next storm. then, the forever war revisited. >> we must define our effort not as a boundless global war on terror but rather a series of persistent targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten america. >> the republican pushback on