>> good morning, everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield. we have a very busy show ahead. the mine news as always our take on daytime justice. one of the big stories today, though, chrysler and our government are at a bit of a standstill and a bit of a war. it has to do with the cars you see out on the road and maybe a car you are driving out on the road.

coming up in just a few moments, why we don't seem to be able to force companies to take dangerous cars off the road and a question, are they actually dangerous? what do the reports say? how much power does the government have? all that coming up in just a moment. but a big personnel shakeup to report at the white house this morning. some republicans calling it an act of defiance on the part of president obama. but guess what, there is nothing anyone can do about it. later today, mr. obama will name this woman, susan rice, u.n. ambassador to the u.n. as his brand-new national security adviser. it's a position that does not require any kind of senate confirmationment you will probably remember miss rice well. because shelves at the centre of a controversy over the attack on benghazi, criticized heavily by republicans for her early account over what motivated that attack that killed a u.s. ambassador. jay tapper, chief washington

correspondent and host of the cnn program "the lead" joins me now. so there has to be a lot of reaction to this. how is it starting to shake out, jamie? >> well, a lot of republicans are upset by the pick. as you point out, there is nothing they can do about i. it is not a position that requires senate confirmation. dr. rice, of course, went on the sunday shows after the september 11th, 2012 attack at the u.s. compound in benghazi. she dill gently recited talking points that turned out in retrosuspect were inaccurate and misleading in some ways to whether or not there was a terrorist element to what happened. a lot of the blame was put on protests in the arab world and the muslim world having to do with that anti-muslim video when, in fact, there remains that that played a role, exactly. so dr. rice, as the one person that went on the sunday shows. i know, i was one of the hosts. i was substituting for george

stephanopoulis. in a lot of ways said things that were not true. but as you point out, there is nothing the senate can do about i. she a very close friend and adviser to president obama. in fact, when she withdrew her name for consideration for the secretary of state position, ashleigh, when it was going to john kerry, ultimately, she wered a lot of chips, her stock went up. because she was in the view of the white house very classy when she removed her name and made it easy for president obama. >> but just to wrap this up and make sure we've crossed every t, dotted every i, the ts and is aren't finished yet. there are a lot of questions. she has to answer those questions or does she get a break as her status? >> reporter: who is going to ask those, me, you? >> the critics aren't going to go away, jark you got to admit. >> reporter: of course not. this is in many ways an act of

defiance, president obama saying to lindsey graham and john mccain and others, i don't care whew think. he thinks these charges are trumped up and political. i'm in the saying i safer that view t.is the, he is the president, this is a position that doesn't require confirmation. it is a controversial pick, will is no question about i. but probably within the scheme of things, what may be more important is the the role and the job that susan rice brings to this, which is she is man she is replacing.nelan the she is much more activist, much more of an advocate than tom donelan who was more of a manager behind the scenes. so it's going to be very interesting to see how that shapes the position when she takes this new role. >> all right, jake tapper, thank you for. that i know you will have a lot more on your program later today. i will remind everybody you are on at 4:00 eastern. it's "the lead." thanks, jake, always nice to see you. other news that can safe your life, in fact, if you drive

an older model jeep grand kerr key or liberty, listen up, the government wants to recall nearly 3 million of those vehicles saying they, are in fact, fire hazards. here's the weird part the maker, chrysler, says that's not true. all of this despite probe that indicates more than 300 people have died when their jeeps caught fire after rear-end collisions. the latest one happened on a houston highway just yesterday and the jeep other than did not survive that crash. joining me now is christine roman, cnn's chief anchor and business corner. okay. i don't understand how this works. i thought when you have proof that something is dangerous, a product is dangerous, our government can sweep in and say, get those things off the road or off the shelves. >> frls are voluntary. so the government comes in and says we would like to have a recall. we would like this product to be recalled. and the company can say, no, we disagree with you.

at that point you have a conflict between the government and the industry or the car company. then it goes to public hearings. then in the end, if the car company still refuses a recall, it can go to court. so essentially, recalls are voluntary. it is a judge in the end who decides whether there will be cars taken off of the road. >> so when we've had something before where we've seen certain recalls, major remembers that cost tension hundreds of millions of dollars, this is the result of a grand negotiation between the companies and the government? >> absolutely right. we know in this case since 2010, the government has been talking to chrysler about this issue. chrysler says, says all along, the initial conclusions are wrong. they think they have rebuffed this recall. they think the government is wrong on this i want to read either statement. we believe the initial conclusions are based on incomplete analysis of the underlying data. and we are committed to continuing working with the agency to resolve this disagreement. they say some of these fires were the case of a jeep jand

cherokee sith sitting there, slammed into 65 miles an hour the place him and the type of fuel tank is not the problem. it's the crashes that are the problem. >> quickly, we are not finished here, are we? >> reporter: we are not finished. this will move forward from here. will you probably have more negotiation between chrysler and the government. one thing a few people have noted me today, chrysler is now an iitalian company. it is an italian company owned by fiat. this company wouldn't exist today if it weren't for the u.s. government bailing it out a couple years ago. now it is a company seeing sales improve. it's back on its own two feet. it's saying, no, no, we don't think. we're not going to agree to a recall at this point. >> a lot of people may have forgotten. >> an italian company bailed out by u.s. taxpayers. excellent for. that let us know how that progresses. >> we will. >> thank you so much. something rare to report in our top stories, first lady michelle obama in a run-in with

a heckler at a fundraising event in washington, d.c. it was for the democratic national committee t. cameras weren't allowed inside, but it was still being recorded, the audio portion, anyway. have a listen. >> we have an obligation to stand up for those kids and i don't care what you believe in, we don't -- wait, wait. one of the things that i don't do well is this. do you understand? one of the things i don't do is this. [ applause ] >> a pool reporter says as soon as that happened, she walked away from the mic and approached the heckler and off mic said this, listen to me or you can take the mic, but i'm leaving. you all decide. you have one choice. apparently, a lot of people cheered for mrs. obama at that point.

it turns out the protester was ellen starks, a member of the gay rights group get equal. she wants president obama to sign an executive order to bar any company that has a contract with the government to discriminate against depender identity. you don't see heckling of the first lady very often. it didn't go down well with the audience. as many as 40,000 people are expected to gather to remember four firefighters. you are looking at some live pictures right now, at houston's reliance stadium. those four firefighters were killed last weekend in a massive hotel fire. they're trapped when that structure collapsed as it was burning. it was the deadliest day in the history of the houston fire department and that is a 118-year-old history. it must be noted. the texas governor, rick perry, is expected to speak at that ceremony. the lost senator to serve in world wash ii is being

remembered today in new york. senator frank lautenberg the long-time democrat from new jersey died on monday at the age of 89. he was the oldest member of the senate. the vice president, joe biden and the former secretary of state hillary clinton are among those who are expected to deliver eulogys at his funeral. his body will lie if repose at the senate chamber a. small bit of information here, he will be transported on amtrak, his body, baaing to washington. he was a huge proponent of amtrak. so perhaps a very fitting journey for the late senator. just ahead the daily justice rundown, case number one. this is the ultimate picture of power. just look at your camera scanning all those badges, stripes and brass. that's the nation's military brass the commanders, though, on the defense. they can't seem to stop sexual

violence among their own ranks. >> this isn't about sex. this is about assaultive domination and violence. >> so the question is, does our military need an overhaul? case number two the excop the dead wife and one very provocative note. is it or isn't it a fake? the battle of the handwriting experts coming at you next. [ male announcer ] it's intuitive and customizable, just like a tablet. so easy to use, it won a best of ces award from cnet. and it comes inside this beautifully crafted carrying case. introducing the all-new 2014 chevrolet impala with the available mylink system. ♪ [ beeps ] ingeniously connecting you to your life and the road. that's american ingenuity to find new roads.

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area so allow the rescue workers access. one of the things we do not know about this building is there's the tweet itself, 22nd and market street, asking them to stay out of the area to allowing a sechlts we don't know if this was an abandoned building or if there were people inside at the time. it seems that these rescue workers have sort of congregated in one area anyway and are throwing small debris withcy sort of a unique indication they feel there is something significant in that particular spot. it is quite a significant scene. we're going to continue to get our crews to the site and physical out what exactly caused this. again, if there was anyone in that building or this was an abandoned area. as we zoom out, you can see the damage to the buildings close by as well. it looks like a pretty dangerous scene all around. the assembled brass that was sitting before a senate committee represented some pretty awesome power when it

comes to the u.s. military. take a look at that picture as it scans. it's their job to protect the nation and you know by all accounts they do it very well. all those generals and all those metals can't seem to protect the mere rank and time service men and women from sexual assaults among their ranks. the numbers are staggering. 26,000 incidents in 2012. and that is only a defense department estimate because that's just the number of assaults that were reported. there is also an estimate that just about 15% of the attacks makes it onto the box. it starts with predators getting into the military in the first place. listen to this exchange between senator tom mccain and the chairman of the joint chiefs. >> general dempsey, do the services allow individuals with a history of sex-related crimes to enlist or receive a

commission to serve? >> there are currently in my judgment, senator, inadequate protections for precluding that from happening. so a sex offender could, in fact, find their way into the arm forces of the united states and, in fact, there's cases where conviction wouldn't automatically result in a discharge. >> obviously, we have to fix that. you would agree? >> absolutely. >> so there you have it, the military admits that sexual predators are getting in unchecked, but what happens once they're serving? where are the protections for their potential victims in this service? it turns out, we have a bit of a problem there, too. just listen to this senator criticize the military for both letting in the bad guys then not dealing with them appropriately once they enlist. >> there are pro problems, one is you sexual predators who are committing crimes.

two, you have work to do on the issue of a respectful and healthy work environment. these are not the same issues. >> that brings us to this important question, sex assaults, does the military need an overhaul to deal where this problem? i want to bring in cnn's military analyst, retired general spyder marks. he joins us from virginia to talk about the problem. maybe more importantly to talk about the potential solution. spider marks, a lot of people say the problem stems from the chain of command. if you have an issue and you want to report it, you have to go to your boss the person who could effectively destroy your career if he or she wanted to, that that stops a lot of people from getting justice s. that how you see it? >> ashleigh, it truly is a problem. good order and discipline in a military organization starts at the top and is enforced by

policies, by procedures and by personal presence throughout the chain of command. so it clearly starts with those senior folks you saw at the table. they have to act knowledge and they have. they have acknowledged that there is a very large problem in the chain of command, the most telling problem we have is the number of assaults that does not get reported. goes to what general amos set coming out of the marine corps that there is no trust for the chain of command if that's the issue. so when you take the guide on, when you take the responsibility to lead the service and to lead your organization, you've got to step up. you don't get to choose your missions. this is a mission that needs to be addressed. >> so the next question would be a simple one, should the chain be altered? should there be a link taken out of the chain so that any potential victim doesn't have to go to his or her direct superior officer but, instead, can go right to the military prosecutors or the judges. because it seems when the crimes

are more serious like murder,et set remarks are you not necessarily dealing with the next superior officer. >> yeah the why, ashleigh is there clearly is. the organization of the military exists for those kind of offline issues. have you your inspectors general. have you your chaplains, your military religious counsellors. you also have your staff judge advocates. the issue is that every one of those folks works for the commanding general, works for the boss. so there can be another parallel chain that has coordination within all of those agencies, so if an individual feels threatened, he or she can go to some outside agency and then there must be some type of a guarantee that it works its way back in and that it's received on that end. so i think the chain 06rd command has to stay in charge of good order and discipline, but the review of recommendations and decisions can be made through another channel. but that's a review.

>> i'm glad you said that. because one of the arguments has been good order and discipline needs to stay the way it is, clearly, we have problems if we have numbers like that. general marks, always so god to see you. thank you so much. i want to bring in attorney lisa bloom right now to join us in the legal briefs discussion. she has a lot of experience dealing with civilian sexual assault victims. lisa, suddenly, we have this issue coming to the forefront. we have a lot of predators in the military. that was the issue yesterday. they were perpetrating. not getting dealt with properly. they are getting out. out to walk amongst the rest of us civilians. so give me a feel for what'sen someone has been able to, prosecutions crimes unchecked does when they get out? >> what we know is that military rapists, 90% of them are serial sex aumptders, which means -- sex offenders, which means they

will do this over and over again. they are victimizing women in the military. gy get out -- they get out and will continue to victimize people. the definition of insanity is doing things over and over again and getting the same results. we cannot continue with the chain of command being responsible for prosecuting rapes. it does not work. half a million of men and women raped in the military. this is a crime. it's not an order and training issue. it's a crime. give it to special prosecutors. let them prosecute and start taking this seriously. >> i will repeat it. a lot of people have a problem with women in the military saying it loo edz to this more than half of the sexual assaults are actually men who report are sexually assaulted. so many people say this is a culture. we need to change and discipline out of it. do you believe you can

discipline out of a rapist's culture or does this need to be something entirely different like that overhaul question we asked at the top? >> reporter: i think it's both. first and foremost it's a crime. people need to be prosecuted to give justice to the current victim. this is not a woman in the military issue. countries like israeli, canada, australia, have women that serve honorably like our women do. but they treat this as a crime. it goes to a prosecutor. it's not a cheney of command issue. women in the military are here to stay. they're not going away. it's the rapists who need to get out of the military. >> that's a good point. lisa bloom, she is with avo.com. she's a fantastic source for all things justice. that's why i'm not letting you go right now. i have the next case a former police officer accused of killing his wife. there is so much forensic evidence in this case that today this is the evidentiary piece,

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. >> i want to take you right back to philadelphia live where police and fire crews and emergency responders are on the scene of a collapsed building and it is a massive site. if you know this area, it is at the corner of the 22nd and market streets. it is apparently an apartment building. an apartment building that has either fully or partially collapsed, but it is a massive zone of rubble, where fire crews have been sifting through throwing bits and pieces of rubble and there are reports of eight to ten people are trapped somewhere in the rubble of that building collapse. some of these pictures that wpvi sent you a few moments ago show you the extent of the collapse, either tore the left or the

right. up with of the those buildings was scheduled for demolition. apparently, this appears to be the result. whether it is related, we are not sure because we are not sure what caused this. we can tell you this, that you can see the responders sift their way through. we do know they are looking for people. this is mostly a banking area. it's about seven to eight blocks from city hall near the 30 street station withcy that big train station, if you are familiar with the philadelphia area. but here's the other issue that police are finding right now. they want to make sure, because this is an unstable environment that the public stays away. in fact, they're tweeting it out. they are sending out this tweet. building collapse the best way to help is to allow the first responders room to work. please remain clear of the area of 22nd and market. this was a four-story building, we are told.

at 10:43 eastern time this morning, as you take a look at live pictures from wpvi our affiliate, the call came in as a collapse with possibly people trapped inside. now the fire commissioner lloyd ayers says as many as eight to ten people are believed trapped somewhere in that rubble. we don't have any word about injury, we don't have any word other than eight to ten potential victims trapped in that rubble, cnn sarah hoyt is live on the phone with us. sar remarks are you getting feather further information other than what the fire chief put out and the police have tweeted out? >> no what we have is what you have stated. this is a fluid situation, let me tell you about that area. this is a very densely populated part of the city of philadelphia. it's close to downtown. as you mentioned, it's right by 30th street station withcy one of the nation's largest train station in the country. so you can imagine the kind of foot traffic, vehicle traffic

that goes through there. >> we should also remind people, if are you tuning in, this is a building collapse we have been following live. these pictures you are looking at right now were shot a little earlier from our wpvi helicopter camera and it shows some of those first responders clearly fire officials on the scene sifting through some of that rubble and apparently looking for somewhere between eight to ten people who were reportedly trapped in this four-story apartment building collapse. it's hard to believe that this was a four-story building and at the time of the collapse, it's unclear if it was a part of the demolition, but we do know that one buildinged a janet to this -- adjacent to this building was scheduled for demolition. this is a quote, it appears to be an industrial accident, all tow, there are no further details about just what kind of

industrial accident could have led to this wholesale sort of destruction you are seeing on your screen right now. some of the tweets that have come out from police asking people to please stay away. first they said we are asking the public to stay out of the area to allow the rescue workers access. now, they have gone further. they say the best way to help is to allow the first responders room to work. stay clear of the area of 22nd and market. sarah hoyt, i know you are still with us. you mentioned this is such a busy area, within, you know, a few blocks range of the 30th street station. do you know anything about some of the traffic and the foot traffic around the area currently? have they blocked this all off? what is happening in that area of philadelphia right now? >> reporter: well, i'm en route actually, so i'm not on top of the scene. but in that area, i have been told what you have been told, too, they are pushing people back, keeping some type of barricade up, like i said i don't have eyes on it at the exact moment. as i was stating earlier, this is a high traffic area.

you have subway stops that come up right there. building water scheduled to be demoed. so i mean, this is a popular area. there is a trader joe's neighbor. they are posted down u downtown. there are a lot of people that have not heard about it and are coming up on the subway. so law enforcement has their hands on it right now. >> i'm sort of thinking, sar remarks at the time that that initial call came in, the captain of the philadelphia fire department reported it to have really to their attention at 10:43 a.m. maybe you can give a picture to me at what this area would have been like at that time, it's at the end of rush hour, would it have been busy, would there have been food traffic headed into that area, out of that area approximately at that time? >> reporter: market street is pretty busy all of the time. still is a pretty close to your rush hour. it's trailing off at that moment, but it's still pretty

busy. you also have tranes coming in from new york around that time. so there's all their other traffic near that 30th street station. so it's just the main thorofare. market street connects the city from one end-to-the other. so it's a heavily used thorofare. >> again, our headline as you are looking at these these pictures of firefighters sifting through rubble in this apartment building collapse, a four-story apartment collapses at the philadelphia fire commission lloyd ayers has reported as many as eight-to-ten people believed trapped somewhere amid that rubble. we are continuing to check our sources and find out evg everything we can, in the meantime, a quick break right after this. ready? happy birthday! it's a painting easel! the tide's coming in!

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i want to continue our breaking news as we have been covering this building collapse in philadelphia. you are seeing some of the aerial views of what has become known as a very stressful situation, eight-to-ten people according to commissioner, the fire commissioner in philadelphia are apparently trapped in rubble of that collapsed building. what we are being told is that what was standing there at 10:43 this morning was a four-story apartment complex. this is the result of that collapse. there you can see the responders sifting through that rubble. now that the fire commissioner has confirmed they are looking for ag-to-ten people apparently trapped. all we can tell you is that it was said it was an industrial accident. but very few details other than that are being released. we know that an ad giant

building -- adjacent building was scheduled for demolition. means if it took out a support wall of this structure, we are not sure yet. it is unclear this building was scheduled for demolition, clearly, if there were people inside. here's the other thing, you can look at sort of the right-hand wall where those firefighters are standing seems to have collapsed outwards towards the street. you see the white truck. it is possible they could have been out on the street as opposed to the building. we have no idea whether that building had been evacuated of its residents or there were people inside. we do know there were eight-to-ten people apparently trapped. cnn's don lemmon joins me. this has to have the philadelphia fire responders, police responders and all emergency responders really very concerned about this entire neighborhood. >> yeah, i utesed to li used to

blocks from there. it's a busy, busy business area. it's like downon the or mid-town manhattan, really. i just got off the phone with a couple sources there. it's 22nd and market. a four-story building at the original collapse. ist listed as an apartment building. that's with the city. it's probably a mixed use building if it's in that part of the city. according to the folks that i spoke to eight people who were taken to area hospitals, five of them i am told are if serious condition and they're saying that the mayor is going to speak in a little bit to update the public on exactly what's going on. but as can see, there is video of the scene of people pulled out of the structure, pulled out. they're still looking for people as well. again, this is a very serious situation in a busy part of

town. >> eight people taken to the hospital. how many in serious condition? >> reporter: five in serious condition of the ache taken to the hospital. >> but no word on whether they were residents or people who happened to be in the street, caught in the collapse of that from above? >> reporter: no word. i had been seeking sources who are there in the fire department and people who are actually working in the city. they're saying it's such a chaotic scene. i'm on my way now. they're trying to figure it out, obviously the building collapse, this early on, it would be hard to figure out who those people are, they are not going to run out of the building say, i'm a resident here, or a part of the construction crew, what have you. i would imagine when the mayor speaks in a couple minutes, whenever the city gets ready to do it, we'll find out more about it, again, there was a building next door slated for demolition. i don't think this particular building was slated for demolition.

the one next door was. again, 22nd and market. it's the heart of the city. it's where everybody goes to do business in philadelphia in that area, market and broad and the big streets we know about. it's actually not far from city hall. >> don, stand by, don't go anywhere if you would, please, for those who might be just joining us should know, that is in philadelphia, those firefighters are apparently searching for eight-to-ten people strapped in the collapse of what was once at least listed as a four-story apartment building. don lemon working his sources saying eight people have been taken to the hospital. five in serious condition. you are seeing on your screen our shot from wpvi our affiliate. this was the scene moments ago. because this is chaotic scene and the city has been asking people to clear away, it's been difficult for media to get updated shots as well.

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i want to continue our breaking news coverage with some dramatic pictures that were shot at this collapsed building in philadelphia. you are seeing one of the rescues underway as some of the responders were trying to dig out people trapped in that building collapse. obviously our live affiliate is showing some of those pictures. this is the scene after what was listed with the city as a four-story apartment building suddenly collapsed this morning. the call coming in to the fire department at about 10:43 this morning. and the fire commissioner, lloyd aers, reporting eight to ten people collapsed. some of the earlier pictures from wpvi showing us fire officials, crews on the scene, literally throwing bricks, tiny pieces of rubble looking for who may be trapped. that shot you saw earlier -- there you go, we're showing it again, rescue crews getting one of those victims. our don lemon actually worked

his sources and was able to find out eight to ten people were taken to area hospitals. apparently five of them in serious condition. and you can see just from our video that those may have been among the count that was reported to our don lemon. but just really a remarkable scene. apparently an adjacent building was scheduled for demolition. this building, however, unexpectedly collapsed. and you can see the extent of that collapse as well. this is such a busy area in philadelphia. 22nd and market street. we are now being told that osha investigators are on the way to the scene and it's now being called a demolition accident after originally being called an industrial accident. now, a demolition accident. interesting because the demolition was not scheduled for that building, whether it was a mistake, it's unclear whether a

supporting wall of another demolition gave way. i wanted to show you what this looked like, this structure, before. this is the view from google earth of what the structure looked like before. you can see the hoagie city at street level, above it four apartment floors, at least that's how it was listed with the city. but often times in this area these buildings are mixed use. and across the street just disappearing out of your screen there is a trader joe's and a large apartment complex on market street, a very upscale area and just adjacent apparently caddy corner a museum, art gallery. sarah hoi is en route. have you made it there yet? >> yes, ashleigh, i am on the scene here in philadelphia by this building. and they have closed the streets. they are holding people back. and firefighters are working.

so there is a large crowd gathering here on the corners. and everybody's waiting to see what is happening. moments before when you were talking about the rescue, there were a number of fire department officials who were working on the street and actually a quiet came over this crowd. everyone has their cell phones out paying attention to what's going on. this is a very busy area. for me to have walked up on the scene and for it to have been that quiet just let you know there was a change in the air, something had happened and everybody was paying attention. we'll have to wait to see what the latest update is. >> sarah, this is a live interview of a witness. let's listen in. >> the building collapsed the wrong way and it landed on a thrift shop and there was people inside of the thrift shop before the building collapse you saw one person walk in. so it was scary. what happened next was i dropped my stuff and i tried to help

people out. there was a wooden roof covered with metal. and we pulled people out. we ended up getting two people out. i personally did. there was four or five people that were found within the first ten, 15 minutes. >> wow. >> after that they told everyone that was from the street -- the first responders told us to leave once the fire engines came. >> were people yelling? what was the just emotional state at the time? did it look as though people were severely injured? >> there was -- well, what happened when the building collapsed was there was people standing on the corner that was right next to the thrift shop. the building was like it had really big aftershock on the ground. you felt it shake. there was people that actually fell over. people started screaming, they ran across the street. there was people inside the building, you heard them scream. and then we went over to the building and said, can you hear us, can you hear us, say something. and we tried to find the people. >> you said we, how many other

people were coming to the aid? >> there was construction workers nearby. probably ten, 15 construction workers. and after ten or 15 minutes they told us to leave. and the first responders, the firefighters came. after five minutes, the fire company right down here came, maybe even shorter. and they came and they worked alongside with the construction workers and i and other people from the street. >> how are you feeling now that you've just had a minute to kind of take this in? you instinctively went in to help people and your life could have been in danger? >> i'm just happy that i made the right decision to try and help people. that's, you know -- i'm healthy, i'm young, i can try and help someone. i know there's a lot of older people that shop at that thrift store. >> i was going to ask you, describe the ages of some of the people you saw in there. >> they're all above 50 except for maybe one lady that we pulled out. she might have been in her mid-30s.

>> okay. >> they were all shopping. there was actually like clothes that you could see against the wall and stuff. >> and how long before officials arrived in terms of how long you and some of the other construction crews were helping to pull some of these people out of the debris? >> the first fire company arrived three to five minutes after. and then afterwards no one showed up for another ten minutes or so. and then there was a lot of people, firefighters, and they came. and then they told all of the people from the street that were trying to help to leave. >> how many people were you successfully able to pull out of the rubble? >> personally, i helped pull out two. there was five people that had been pulled out after the first ten minutes that were seen. there was two other people that were seen afterwards. and then there was a big pile of bricks. and they believe there might have been people in there. so the firefighters told us to leave. they did -- i believe what they have was an infrared scanner

trying to scan to find people's body heat. >> did you instantly know this was a situation of a building collapse? or was there ever a thought this might be something bigger than that? >> well, i knew that someone came in, walked in. and they've been doing construction on that building for three or four weeks now. >> and you walked by there many times? >> correct. and when the building collapsed, i knew it wasn't an abandoned building that fell on right next to it. >> okay. well, jordan, thank you so much for just talking to us. we're going to standby and get some of that video that you were able to take of this when it happened. again, this is jordan that you heard from. an eyewitness who was obviously there when this happened and just describing for us his efforts in trying to save people who were buried under the rubble when this building collapsed -- >> some of the live reporting from our affiliate kyw as they interviewed a witness to this building collapse named jordan

mclaughlin. he himself pulled two people out, he witnessed four to five people being found in the first 15 minutes out of that collapse. he said the power of that collapse made the ground shake and made other people in the street fall over. apparently construction workers nearby, about 10 to 15 of them immediately went to try to rescue people, fire crews arriving within three to five minutes. he personally witnessed people aged between 30 and 50 years old who had been shopping in the thrift store next door, which seems to have taken on the brunt of the damage. he personally witnessed them being pulled out of that rubble. one other mention of detail that jordan mclaughlin just told that kyw recorder is that it appears crews were using infrared scanners to try to find other victims who they believe to be buried beneath the many bricks and debris of that collapsed building. i'm going to turn over the reporting duties to my

colleagues, suzanne malveaux and michael holmes. i'm ashleigh banfield reporting live. i'm suzanne malveaux. >> and i'm michael holmes. our thanks to your, ashleigh. >> straight to the breaking news. we are watching these pictures as you watch them here. this is breaking news thrks is philadelphia. you are seeing here this is an apartment building that has collapsed now. firefighters, you can see there literally searching through the rubble right now hand by hand. they are walking through. you can see they're actually guiding people out of this particular area. we are told that they're looking for eight to ten people who still might be trapped inside. >> yeah. for those who know the city, this is at the corner of 22nd and market streets. it's a very busy section of the city. this a four-story apartment building we're told made of brick as you can see there. reduced to