lots of breaking news here on cnn.ts of breaking news here stay with us throughout the night for continuing coverage. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. thank you very much for watching. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening, everyone. we have breaking news. news that got considerably worse within the last 30 minutes. new details on the shooting rampage in los angeles area city of santa monica and a much higher death toll. it ended on and around the campus of santa monica college. it may have begun at a burning house nearby. there you see the house on fire. two bodies found on the scene. a gunman emerging from the home, jumped in a car. and from there bullets and blood all the way to the campus. santa monica's police chief picks it up from there. >> police department received a call of shots fired in the 2000 block of yorkshire, the eastern end of santa monica. responding officers encountered a structure fire, and the fire

department subsequently responded to put that out. we received information at the time of a possible carjacking that may have been related to the shots fired call. and we also were receiving incoming calls regarding a series of random shootings, possibly involving an automatic firearm of some type. that was later found -- told to us to be an ar-15. the random encounter that the suspect had as he moved west along pico boulevard culminated with a se-- a series of shootin. one at 20 and pico, one at cloverfield and pico, then a shooting in the area of 20th and pearl, immediately adjacent to santa monica college. in the area of santa monica college, the suspect shot at a passenger vehicle and also at a police vehicle. not long thereafter he was seen by responding officers from both the santa monica college immediate and the santa monica

police department. there was an exchange of gunfire at that time. and the suspect attempted to evade the officers by running on it the college campus. as he ran on to the campus, additional shots were exchanged. no officers were injured at that time. the suspect headed toward the library, shot a woman on the campus just before entering the library. accosted a number of patrons inside the library and attempted to shoot at them. those individual wes were able find safety in a safe location inside the library. however, he continued to shoot at them. the officers came in and directly engaged the suspect. he was shot and killed on the scene. the information we have indicates at this point that as many as half a dozen victims were shot and killed. several more were injured. i've recently been informed that another victim recently died at the hospital. >> later in the press conference, the chief clarified the number of fatalities as at least six plus the shooter, that

would be seven people total dead. the chief made an important point. this is very early, early hours in this incident. in this investigation. they repeatedly said that throughout the press conference which took place 20 minutes or so ago. they have not identified the suspect yet who was shot and killed in the library. but was identified as a white male, 25 to 30 years old, wearing all black with some type of possibly a ballistic vest on, as well. for more the victims and the gunman and the investigation, miguel marquez is on the scene, has been covering this for the last several hours. and "cbs this morning" john miller joins us with more. can you walk us through -- that press conference frankly was kind of confusing. it was all over the place. can you walk us through the timeline of what happened where and when? >> reporter: we believe, and this is -- a lot of incidents,

it is a breathtaking number of events across santa monica this afternoon. we believe it started at 11:55 pacific time at the house. this is on yorkshire avenue in santa monica. two people are dead inside the house. victims of gunshot wounds. the house was set on fire. a witness from across the street, the neighbor to the people who live in the house, said they saw a man dressed all in black with -- brandishing an assault-type long gun, rifle, came out of the house, carjacked somebody. when another car didn't move as fast as he wanted to, he shot at that car. then according to the chief, there were another, one, two, three, four, five, six, about six other incidents before he got to the school. six other incidents before he got to the school. we know there was a bus shot up. in two different locations along the way before he got to the school, at least three other people were shot and killed. we know at the school then several people were injured at the school. and it sound like it was almost

a running gun battle across the grounds here at the school. one person of shot critically. that person later died in surgery at ucla medical center, unfortunately. but just a breathtaking number of incidents across a wide swath of the city culminating with a shoot-out in the library at santa monica college. unbelievable. anderson? >> miguel, from what we understand, from what i've read, got out of the press conference, the suspect, the person wearing all the black, possibly and ballistic vest, was shot inside the library at santa monica college? >> reporter: yeah. it may have been college police that shot and killed him, as well. from several witnesses and from police, it does appear that that person was shot and killed there in the library. several witnesses saw the person that they saw dressed completely in black. one witness said the person was yelling at police. that there was yelling back and

forth. police telling him to drop it. he clearly didn't. other witnesses said unbelievably chilling. that they saw the men walking down the hallway with a gun in his hands, and was nonchalant, didn't take fire at the woman that we spoke to. she saw him twice, and he never sort of bore down on her to take aim. and she was able to get away. we all know that there is a person of interest in custody, as well. police saying that there was enough evidence to detain this person for now. they are not entirely clear this person has anything to do with the incident here. that is something they're going through. concerning that they haven't figured out who the suspect is. the suspect who is dead, who that person is. they say they're going to wait for the -- for the coroner to make that determination. but clearly police want to know who this person is and begin digging interest where they live. everything about their life, and figure out if well there are any

more -- if there are any more threat out. there there are still helicopter overhead. they're not being as aggressive as they were earlier. they're not -- you know, not over the school as they were earlier. they're holding back a bit in case they are needed. at the moment, it sounds like about 90% of the school has been gone through by police. they believe that there is -- they believe there's no other threat throughout. but it they want to make 100% sure before they make the determination. we also have a helicopter that just landed -- it may be taking off shortly, sound like. >> they made the point in the press conference that they were still going through the school. 90% of the school has been searched. and the person of special is an asian male who was seen leaving the campus. not clear what drew their attention to this person. again, that person may have nothing to do with this at all. as i said, "cbs this morning" senior correspondent john miller joins us as we look at images from the fire. it is rare to have an incident like this, multiple incidents

stretching over a swath of territory in santa monica, in california, and it -- it seems at this point that while the shootings between the house and the college were random, perhaps and the police are saying it seems -- again, this is early in the investigation -- the death inside the house were not random. >> no, anderson. i think if you look at how this unfold, you see an individual who came prepared, dressed in the black clothing, possibly wearing body armor. not carrying a handgun but a long weapon. this individual who is believed to be the son or relative of somebody in that house, this may involve his father at that residence and -- divorced family. but what you see is the individual arrives at the house is, prepared for whatever it is he's planned to do. and that plan involves shooting people in the house. setting that fire. and then we see that organized

plan go into something much more random. he doesn't have a structured plan to get away. he's trying to hijack, carjack vehicles as he goes. he's shooting people at random. so it is very suggestive of things that we have seen before in these types of incidents where the person comes with what they call the murder kit. everything he needs to commit the act. they kill their intended victims. and then they set about killing victims at random and do things that will draw the police response where -- and remember what mr. marquez just told us from the field. he engages police, there's conversation going back and forth. then ultimately as he refuses to drop the weapon, and i say that in the con thaek all of this is still preliminary. that they shoot him. so it sound like he did his planned attack. his random shootings. then engaged in the phenomenon that they call suicide by cop, trying to invite the confrontation that would lead to

his death. >> i was a little confused in the press conference. initially police were saying that as many as sick peop-- as people were killed. then they said at least six people were killed. and then they said six people were killed. i guess it's very early in the investigation and they want to be cautious. >> i think you also had victims in critical condition and multiple hospitals. keeping track of who had succumbed, who was hanging on, and the status of the shooter who becomes by the chief's count the seventh victim. so in the beginning of these incidents, and i've been at the scenes of these things as an lapd official and part of the command there. it's hard, as we know as reporter also, to get information and stay locked down and stay still. in the beginning it tends to ebb and shift. we tell the audience that proviso, that this is the

information as we're getting it, and it's likely it change. >> they also said that the suspect dressed in black spot in the library expired -- shot in the library expired on the scene. they actually removed the person to an exterior location because they weren't sure what else was going on in the library. did that make sense to you? >> not exactly. again, that's probably part of the confusion. was he pronounced dead there, did they move him so that they could continue to do the search but also get him medical aid because they weren't going bring medical people into that location if they had information there was a second gunman. what you see here, anderson, is kind of the second tactical wave of how these things are done. there's an old model that we worked with for years which is the gunman's in there, there may be hostage, you around the building and try to start a dialogue with that person and a long negotiation. the new phenomenon is the active shooter is engaged in hunting

behavior. one he get this that location, he's -- gets in that location, highs saying i'm not coming out until a get a getaway car and yells at the cops, he's running and gunning as he goes. in los angeles, one of the things we developed in the lapd was something we called immediate action, rapid deployment. that means you don't surrender the building and call for the s.w.a.t. team and stand by with guns ready until the tact cal people get there. you saw in your own footage, there's one officer with an ar-15, long rifle. he goes to the other and takes the second weapon and starts heading to the building. what they're doing is putting together an entry team that will have the long weapons that they can gather up on the scene. they will go down ranges as they say, into the building until they can locate that suspect, engage him, and either talk to him and get him to lay down that weapon or eliminate the threat which is, i think, what you've seen today. >> again, we are collecting information and as we learn it,

we will bring it to you throughout this hour. john miller, stay with us. we have more on this story but also the -- actually, more breaking news on the show. i want to show a photo of a body bag on campus with the gunman in it apparently. a new photo we're just getting. when we come back, i'm talk to the student who took the picture. we'll talk to john about some of the other big stories today. the u.s. surveillance program. we'll talk to glen greenwald, as well, ari fleischer. more to cover. we'll be right back. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still going to give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. samsung galaxy s4.was telling you about, it's got a huge screen, does all kinds of cool stuff. and if you buy it here, you get a $50 walmart gift card. man, i gotta have this! get the latest smart phones on at&t's 4g lte network, and get a $50 gift card. walmart.

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a shooting and heard six wounded and the body bag, and it was -- in the body bag was the gunman. everyone else who was brought to the hospital was still alive. and then one student did die from the school. >> you're saying you believe that is the suspect mainly because it was the only person kind of left laying around? >> yes because i did speak to other students that were escorted by authorities out of the library. when they were crawling out, they literally saw the gunman who was shot by either santa monica college police or other police. they saw the gunman shot. saw his body. >> i want to look at the picture that you were able to take. in it, obviously, you see -- it's hard to see at first. but there is what looks like a

-- a person in a body bag? >> yes. >> the body's covered. did you get a look at the suspect? authority said the suspect was wearing all black, possibly a ballistic vest. i assume by the time you took the picture, by the time you were on the scene the suspect was covered. >> he was covered. again, one of the students described him as caucasian, with black gloves on. >> rona navales, appreciate your repo reporting. glad you're safe. and marta, i believe you were on a bus, saw a man with a rifle standing on the street. when was this? >> yeah. i was in the bus. suddenly there was a guy on the left-hand side with a rifle that started to shoot.

from the front of the bus, back of the bus. >> and -- he was shooting at the bus that you were on? >> yes. into the bus. >> did the shot hit the bus? >> yes, it went through the windows. the top windows. >> what did you do? what did you do, marta? >> i -- like everyone, i threw myself on the floor of the bus to cover myself. >> what did the suspect look like to you? >> he was pale, thin, black, a little bit curly hair. i'm not totally sure. i just saw the rifle and the gunshots went off. i just threw myself to the floor. it was very fast. >> was the bus moving at this point, or were you stopped? >> no, the bus was stopped.

>> how many shots approximately, do you know? >> i don't know. maybe -- between four and six. i'm not sure. maybe five. >> how long did you stay on the bus? >> the bus panicked, of course. everyone screaming and crying inside the bus on the floor. the bus driver tried to drive away. you know, when someone panic, you know. after a while, she was able to. she turned right and went, just went as far as she could away from the place. we all screamed. everyone, okay, people calling 911. and like, stop the bus. far enough. stop the bus. there was a lady bleeding in the back. she was sitting in an area that is elevated. we thought that she was --

[ inaudible ] >> was everybody on the bus okay? >> yes, yes. and actually i heard that glass shattered. everyone was fine. he was aiming at the window, the ones you open from the top. if he was aiming lower, it would probably, you know, a few of us would have been hit. >> did he say anything? >> no. he was outside the bus. he didn't hear him scream or say anything. i don't know if he said anything. >> that's got to be so terrifying. i'm glad you and everybody else was okay, marta. >> me, too. thank you. >> thank you very much for talking to us, as well. want to go back to miguel marquez. we're getting bits and pieces now, a clearer sense from john miller's reporting. it does seem that there was a connection between the alleged shooter and the people found in the burning house.

the question is, was he ending up at santa monica college just as a -- where he happened to be? we don't know. >> reporter: we don't. a lot of people go to the school. a very, very big school. over 30,000 students. the area where this happened is widespread, fairly compact. clearly he ended up going to the school. he ended up in the library, knew the school, how sprawling the campus was. it would be a good place to defend himself as he was carrying out whatever it was he wanted to do. the house and several different incident incidents between the house and the school. the incidents between where the house of set on fire and people killed along the way. the school incident, one disturbing thing -- i think you showed a picture a while ago of a person in a body bag. there's another picture you

have, the person wearing black fatigues, laying down outside the smoking area of the library of the school. this was confirmed that this was the shooter. that's where he lay dead after police brought him out. >> we want to show the photo. i wanted to warn you before we showed the photo. that is shooter in this. john miller from "cbs this morning," senior correspondent also with us now. john, do you have any sense from your reporting on this as to whether or not the library of a target or it was where he was? >> no sense. if you follow the witnesses' accounts, and i've talked to the police out there, as he leaves the house, it is very difficult to tell if he has an ultimate destination.

he shoots a vehicle, tries to carjack a second vehicle. then he's just on the move. we don't know yet if he just ends up there. now the investigators right now are developing granularity. they have a tentative identification of who they believe the gunman is. they are working with the l.a. county district attorney's office there in santa monica to get search warrants for what they believe is the shooter's residen residence. they're trying to determine if there's a work location that may also need to be searched. whether that's on a warrant or consent. what they're going to look for, anderson, is where is his laptop, computer, notes. so they can see when did he order the weapon, the tactical clothing, how long has he license plan -- has highwe been

planning. and unfortunately, as you've been covering this, this is part of a familiar process. the individuals watch each other's stories. and it spurs them on. >> yeah. one of the reason i at least don't believe in sort of talking much about who the person, is even using their name in a lot of shooting incidents. i try to focus as much as possible on the victims of this. you get the sense that these individuals want to become famous, go out in a hail of bullet and glory. we'll come back to you on. this and we'll come back in a moment on tonight's other big story. president obama defends looking at your phone records and snooping on a whole lot of internet traffic, as well. we'll be right back. i want to make things more secure. [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t

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we're going to continue developments in the shooting in santa monica and bring you more from miguel marquez and john miller and our correspondents. right now, more stories. there a lot going on. your security versus your privacy, the big question. for the first time since it was reported that the government collects details on millions of phone calls and is targeting the internet and possibly credit card data, as well, president obama weighed in first on the phone calls. listen. >> nobody's listening to the content of people's phone calls. this program, by the way, is fully overseen not just by congress but by the pfizer court. >> there are report by "the guardian" that the nsa and fbi have access to most of the big internet providers including microsoft, google, and apple. the president told americans not to worry.

>> with respect to the internet, emails, this does not apply to u.s. citizens or to people living in the united states. >> the president said he believes that these two top-secret programs and other strike the right balance between security and privacy. he challenged members of congress who disagree to speak up. on both sides of the aisle they are. today, cnn's dana bash spoke with democratic senator mark udall who sits on the senate select intelligence committee. >> the president said, wait a minute, members of congress knew about, this they were authorized and briefed on it. if they had problems they should have raised questions. >> i did raise questions. >> what happened? >> i went to the floor. i offered amendments. i did everything possible short of leaking. >> that's the cash. both programs are secret. the secret court almost never says no. some such as globe object to how wide a net the intelligence community is casting in order to mine the data for signs of

alleged terrorist. is it just me, he tweeted, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous? that surveillance may extend to credit card data, according to a report in the "wall street journal." the "journal" citing people at the national security agency saying it wasn't clear whether this was a one-time effort or continue operation. knowing that, many other lawmakers and others across the political spectrum are okay with there kind of broad surveillance, calling it legal, justified, and even effective. my next guest can testify to the effectiveness. joining me again is cbs this morning senior correspondent john miller who, as you know, once worked in local and federal law enforcement and counterterrorism. john, the president said today this our phone calls aren't being listened to. can you break down how these secret surveillance programs which you call the spying business actually work? >> sure. and this is how they work in terms of process. you're not listening to phone calls, not going through lists

of phone calls or identifying material. what you are doing is you are listening to what at the nsa they call selecttors. that could be a terrorist cell phone in yemen being carried by a known member of al qaeda of the arainan peninsula. you're occupy that selector. you want to know -- iranian peninsula. you're up on that selector. you want to know about an al qaeda operator, they've looked at him for a long time. you got him communicating with people. you got to ask, is he communicating with anybody in the united states. they're talking about an attack in the summu.s. you run that against big data. that's all of the calls from that phone or another phone to that number, from sprint, verizon, at&t. and then you find, hey, i have five hits. you find the al qaeda planner taking hit. you throw it to the fbi and say

we have five numbers in the u.s. talking to a known al qaeda operator overseas who's planning an attack. let's figure out who these people are. do we have a cell operating, are these relatives. when the fbi gets it, they have to apply a lot of process. you can spy on foreign people in foreign countries if you're in the intelligence community. but not on americans. it's against the law. they have to get a national security warrant before they can get the material. this is built around process, lawyers, backstopping, awed 270 make sure everybody's doing it right. like any program, the more you have in terms of packstopping and checks and -- backstopping and checks and balances, the cleaner it will be. our able to look in on that is limited. that's why you have congressional oversight, inspector generals and so on. >> we want to talk about the potential for abuses.

glen greenwald and ari fleischer in a moment. has this been used to prevent a terror attack that we know of? >> this has been used successfully in terms two of things. one, it has detected nascent plots and provided the lead material and intelligence to get in front of those plots. on a substantive level it caught a plot at the last minute and saved new york city from a series of bombings. monday, september 6, at 7:58 a.m. in 2009, as it was dawn in colorado, an e-mail went from aurora, colorado, from an apartment complex to a selector that was in pakistan. this belonged to rasheed rouff, al qaeda's master planner, bomb-maker. the e-mail said, "i'm having trouble with the recipe. i need to know how much yeast and how much flour to use." this was code for a bombmaking recipe that wasn't working for a guy named najibul azazzi.

by the time they got surveillance, in two days he was driving to york to leave 16 backpacks on the subway. that's the way the program works in theory. that example is how it works in real life. >> all right. john miller. appreciate the reporting. thanks. i want to continue the discussion with glen greenwald of "the guardian" who broke the story and former george w. bush spokesman ari fleischer. if the prison program prevented at least one terror attack, does that sway you at all? is that an argument nature kind of sursflals. >> no. the premise makes no sense. this is the argument we had during the bush years when they got caught eavesdropping the conversations of americans

without first getting warrant. they would say, well, this program stopped terrorist attacks. never made sense. if they had a terrorist in sight, they could have got not a warrant, presented ever that the person was a terrorist, and eavesdropped anyway. the same is true here. if the government believes that somebody is engaged in terrorist activity, they could go to the pfizer court or to the internet company and say, we have reason to believe this person is guilty of something, you should let us read their e-mail and surveil them in real time. that's not what the government is doing. they instead are having direct access into the servers of these companies which means there's no limitation on abuse or checks on what it is they're doing. and every time the government gets caught doing something like this, they just scream the word "terrorist" enough times, hoping people will get scared enough and want to invest the power in the government to do whatever it is they want in the dark. it's time that we think rationally about what the claims are and not just accept them. >> ari, what about that? >> number one, nobody listened in on those conversations. it was a program similar to the

one that president obama has except you have to have a foreign connection. they gather broad data like this. i want to correct that. but you know, the fundamental notion of is it good for this country if the united states government is collecting massive information in an attempt to find small numbers of individual people who could do us harm. you know, it remind me of other things we've accepted in life. such as going through airports. innocent people go through metal detectors, take off their shoes. why? to find an occasional one or two bad people. frankly, we haven't had that happen in recent years. we've prevented the bad people from doing it because we make the good people if through. my point is we have broad programs designed to catch the few. when it comes to keeping us safe in the war on terror, i think the president's program, president obama's program is the rye one. it's a good one. >> ari, why are some republicans who support this then not supporting the idea of, you know, if you buy a gun having a register of who's buying a gun? i mean, that seems to be a -- you know, too much of an intrusion, which i understand

that argument of why people say that's too much of an intrusion. why is that an intrusion but this not? >> look, i don't know the exact comparison. i think you need to ask the people who hold that point of view. everybody has a different view that. i'm proud on this to defend president obama because i think he's continuing those policies that kept us safe. >> glen, is it akin to the, you know, tsa taking off your shoes? >> does it really require any effort to see why it's massively, radically different to take off your shoes when you go through a metal detectors versus having government be able to troll through your private emails and listen on your telephone conversations? the difference is obvious. we put -- >> but no one's listening -- >> i can just finish? >> yeah -- >> the prison program that we're talking about, anderson, that i reported on is a program in which the united states government goes into the servers of companies like facebook and skype in order to surveil in real time both text and

telephone conversations. the verizon program, the one that you revved, is one this which the government collects all of our phone records so that we canual -- they will always know with whom we're speaking, where we are when we're having those conversations. the ultimate question is we have a society, a government that operates almost entirely in the dark while knowing virtually everything about us. and when government operate almost entirely in the dark, what you get is a government full of ari fleischers who can go before the world and spew falsehoods. there's weapons of mass destruction in iraq. saddam hussein has an alliance with osama bin laden. when government officials operate in secret, they abuse their power. >> ari, i mean, abuses do seem to happen time and time again. >> first of all, i'm not going to make this personal. this is a policy debate to be engaged. in as a republican, i'm proud of what president obama has done. and we have 16 years of a bipartisan template who succeeds president obama to continue.

one of the reasons we have not suffered another 9-11 is because we are vigilant and have important programs in place. >> all things lead to -- things that are not in the public, things that have been surveiled secretly can end up being abused. >> people can listen to phone conversations. >> that's why this is a good conversation to have and it's incumbent on the president to defend it. if you take the argument to an extreme, there should be no classified information in the government. the military, cia, there should be no secrets. when the s.e.a.l.e.s go to get bin laden that should be publicly reported when a helicopter takes off. there is a legitimacy to secrecy. it's how we keep ourselves safe. >> glen, come on, and then i have one more question. glen? >> yeah, i'll find a -- an area of agreement with ari fleischer which i didn't think was possible. i think he's right that we should debate it. the only reason we are debating it is because there was a source or sources within the united states government who saw what the government was doing. collecting all of our phone records without any evidence of wrongdoing. tapping directly to the servers

of the largest internet giant and eavesdropping on conversations with no oversight or checks of any kind. and decided that our -- his fellow citizens should be warned about what it was that we're doing precisely so we can have this debate. that's why whistle blowers like that should be praised and not prosecuted because it's what enable journalist to then shine a light on those programs so that we can have the debates that both ari fleischer and i agree we should be having. >> glen green wwaldgreenwald, a fleischer, thank you very much. back to the breaking news. the santa monica shooting rampage. we'll head to the scene and hear from police and eyewitnesses. we'll be right back. you about, ing samsung galaxy s4. it's got a huge screen, does all kinds of cool stuff. and if you buy it here, you get a $50 walmart gift card. man, i gotta have this! get the latest smart phones on at&t's 4g lte network, and get a $50 gift card. walmart.

welcome back. a house fire, trail of bullets and gunfire outside of the santa monica college campus. the gunman killed in the library. joining me is joe orcut, he was face to face with the gunman. tell me had you saw him, what exactly happened. >> it actually started with just hearing, you know, a pop that i thought was a backfire for a car. and then there was another one that sounded like a gunshot. and then there was like a car accident. and i was actually kind of in the corner of the campus about 30 feet from the street where i heard the accident. i ran down to see if somebody needed help, and there's an suv

from the staff parking lot that had just gone straight across the street into a brick wall and just, you know, kids and anybody in the area running around to the vehicle to see if the guy needed help. and somebody, you know, said he had been shot, realizing that there was a gunman on campus i thought maybe he would come around the corner. the next entrance is where i came. from i turned around and up the corridor i came from 30 feet away was the gunman. and he was standing there, he looked at me. i looked at him. and he panned his gun, trained it on me. and i just -- jumped out of the building. he shot a movemee. and i heard -- shot at me.

and i heard it, cops swarmed the campus. the first that came up, they told me to run, get out of there. i told them what he looked like, where he came from as far as in from the parking lot. where i thought he would be going. described him, and then -- >> what did he look like -- >> he was about, i guess 5'10", he was 30 feet away, so it was hard to tell. he was obviously white, short, dark hair. he was dressed all in black, had a vest on. i thought a bulletproof vest but i'm not sure. he had an assault rifle. it was dark gun metal or black gun. it was definitely not a hunting rifle or anything like that. >> did he say anything? he just looked at you and started moving his gun it take a shot at you? >> yep. he looked like he was posing for the cover of an ammo magazine or something. it was bizarre. very calm. not running around. not yelling. just looking around for targets. very casually.

>> and his facial expressions, i mean, did he look angry, look like he was exhilarated? was there any expression on his face? >> it was a little hard to tell from 30 feet away. nothing that stuck out at me. it seemed kind of blank. >> unbelievable. i -- >> yeah. >> when -- you know, it's something to be shot at. it definitely gets your attention. how quickly were the police on the scene after that? >> from the moment the car accident -- accident? the moment it slammed to the brick wall, the cops were there in 30 seconds, maybe minute. because the campus police station is literally right there. it's maybe four doors from where the car slammed through. >> are you okay? >> yes, yes. i -- it wasn't for another 15, 20 minutes afterwards until i looked around to see if i had

any gun holes or pullet holes and didn't realize it. yeah, i wasn't hurt. >> it's a horrible thing to go through. joe, i'm glad you're okay. th thank you very much for talking to us. >> absolutely. my pleasure. thank you. >> because this is such a fast-moving story, i want to check in for the latest. miguel, so can you again for viewers who are just joining us, walk us through what we know. >> reporter: yeah. 11:55 at a house in santa monica, 11:55 pacific time, two people shot and killed in the house. from what we understand from witnesses and police sources, the house was then set on fire. a gunman wearing all black bdu-like clothing and a -- an assault-type weapon. semiautomatic weapon, ar-15, the civilian version of an m-16 hijacked a car, shot another person that was in another car that wasn't moving fast enough

for them. throughout the afternoon engaged six different locations, killing several people along the way. culminating in a running gun fight with police at santa monica college. all of this within a few blocks really of santa monica college here. it's -- santa monica's a long, big area. but this was all in a fairly compact area. in the end, six people, as many as six people dead. the gunman, as well, making seven total dead and several injured. we also understand that at least three people have now been released from the hospital. there are still two in the hospital. anderson? >> extraordinary last several hours. thanks for the update. we'll continue to follow this throughout the night. up next, a texas actress who authorities say set out to frame her husband for sending ricin-tainted letters. she ends up in handcuffs herself. she office "the walking dead," big part. and other big things, as well. plus, a grand jury slammed cleveland kidnapping suspect

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and charged in connection with those ricin-tainted letters sent to president obama and mayor bloomberg of new york. according to court papers, 35-year-old shannon richardson, an actress, initially tried to frame her husband. a grand jury today indicted ariel castro on 329 counts including kidnapping, rape, and aggravated murder of a fetus. he will be arraigned next week. he is accused of holding these women, amanda berry, gina dejesus, and michelle knight captive and sexually abusing them for a decade in his cleveland home. also this -- marijuana and pain medication were found in the blood of the plane operator at the site of that deadly building collapse in philadelphia. that's according to a source with direct knowledge of the investigation. local affiliate wpvi is reporting the crane operator will be charged with six counts of involuntary manslaughter. six people died. 13 other were injured. and in boston, a 2,500-year-old egyptian mummy came out of his coffin today for

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welcome back. because of the breaking news tonight, we didn't want to short my conversation kristin beck.

we'll move it to monday. we had planned to show it tonight. beck is the former navy s.e.a.l. who served with distinction for 20 years as christopher beck. and is now living as kristin beck. the woman she always felt she was. how do you think back on your service? >> i'm proud. i served my country the best i could. and the abilities that i was given, you know, at my birth i was given this pesticide. i'm going to do it as good as i can. that's the same thing. >> more of my exclusive interview monday on "360." that does it for us. thank you very much for watching. good evening, i'm anderson cooper. who killed south african beauty reeva steenkamp is no mystery. the question is, was it cold-blooded murder? olympic hero oscar pistorius, the so-called blade runner, says he pulled the trigger but that it was a fatal mistake. tonight what he says happened that valentine's day and what the police say. also, exclusive interviews wi