our starting point, the nsa leak. one of the biggest leaks in u.s. history of key intelligence. edward snowden claims he had the authority to wiretap anyone, even the president of the united states. he has fled the u.s. for hong kong, and this morning we hear from the reporter who interviewed him overseas to find out why he did what he did. was itself defense, or was it murder? the george zimmerman trial begins today. will the man who admitted to shooting and killing trayvon martin be cleared of murder? we're going live to sanford, florida. and is apple still cool? the company's worldwide developers conference gets under way, and there are serious questions this morning about its future. good morning, everyone. i'm john berman. >> and i'm christine romans. it's monday, june 10th. welcome to "starting point."

we're going to begin with the nsa leaker. edward snowden, a former defense department employee and contractor. why did he give the british information about programs that he says spy on americans? is barbara starr joins us live from the pentagon. a lot going on overnight. >> reporter: exactly, john. was he a leaker, an idealist? i want you to meet the man who turned the intelligence community upside down. >> when you're in positions of privileged access. >> reporter: this is 29-year-old edward snowden, the high school dropout who worked his way into the most secretive computers of the u.s. intelligence community as a defense contractor and then blew open those secrets by leaking unprecedented details of top secret government surveillance programs. he now risks never living in america again as a free man. >> i had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the nsa, the entire intelligence

community and undercover assets all around the world. the locations of every station we have. >> reporter: snowden didn't leak that, but in an interview with the british newspaper, the guardian, snowden reveals himself as the source of several documents leaked to journalist glenn greenwald, outlining a massive effort by the national security agency to track cell phone calls and monitor e-mail and internet traffic of virtually everyone. >> i sitting at my desk certainly had the authority to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if i had a personal e-mail. >> snowden says he just wanted americans to know what the government was doing. >> even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. >> and he wanted to be up front that he was behind the leaks. >> i'm just another guy who sits there day to day in the office, watches what's happening, and goes this is something that's not our place to decide. the public needs to decide

whether these programs and policies are right or wrong. >> "the guardian" says during the interview snowden watched cnn's wolf blitzer ask a panel who the leaker was. >> do you have any idea who's leaking this information? >> reporter: snowden, watching, did not react. snowden fled to hong kong three weeks ago after copying a last set of documents and telling his boss he needed to go away for medical treatment. before all this, snowden says he had a comfortable life working for the nsa in hawaii with a $200,000 salary and a girlfriend. he told "the guardian" he never got a high school diploma, attended community college, but didn't complete his computer studies. he joined the army in 2003 but was discharged after breaking both legs in an accident. he says he worked as a security guard for the nsa and then moved to the cia in a computer security job. in 2009, he left the cia,

eventually joining the contractor booz allen in hawaii. he began to see top secret documents on the extent of the nsa surveillance, including details that the government also had data on americans. president obama insists his administration is not spying on u.s. citizens, only looking for information on terrorists. for now snowden believes hong kong's climate of free speech will protect him, but there's no guarantee he won't be arrested, taken to mainland china, or sent back to the u.s. it appears to be a risk he's willing to take. >> you're living in hawaii in paradise and making a ton of money. what would it take to make you leave everything behind? >> the greatest fear that i have regarding the outcome for america of these disclosures is that nothing will change.

>> reporter: we found out that he only had this job at booz allen, the contractor, for some three months, and he started downloading these documents weeks ago. big question, how did nobody notice? john? >> not a lot of time on the job there to do what he did. barbara starr at the pentagon for us this morning, thank you so much. >> now to the life snowden left behind. he had a six figure job, used to have a home in hawaii, and he shared it with his girlfriend. mark snow following his life before he fled to hong kong. >> reporter: that's where booz allen is based in honolulu. that's wheree says he copied those final documents before turning them over to "the guardian." he gave his boss notice that he was going away because he suffered from epilepsy and needed medical attention. that's when he left last wednesday, the day before "the guardian" posted its documents to the world. police, one plainclothes, one in

honolulu police uniform visited his home, very quiet neighborhood in honolulu just outside of it, to ask his whereabouts. they clearly had not known or suspected that he had leaked these documents at that point. they were checking on his welfare because he hadn't returned to work as he told his boss he would. his girlfriend who had lived with him for a year here, she had left for the mainland by that point. the house was completely empty. it is now up for sale in that neighborhood. one thing that doesn't quite jive with his story is that he told his girlfriend that he was going away for two weeks, and she said that was fine and it was part of his job, but she also left for the mainland. so it's a big question as to why she left for the mainland. neighbors describe both of them as completely normal, very nice, respectful, hard working. booz allen hamilton says he only worked for them for three months, as barbara said, but they are now investigating it fully that he broke their code

of conduct, and they are going to work with both their clients and authorities to investigate this. back to you. >> starting to put the pieces together of just what his life was like before he left. now a very high profile departure from hawaii, no question. miguel marquez, thanks. as you might imagine, the obama administration is looking into the leaks now with the justice department launching a probe. top lawmakers in the u.s. say snowden should be prosecuted. they and the nsa's former chief insist the leaks did not give an accurate picture of the work the nsa does. brianna keilar with the political angle this morning. >> reporter: good morning. the white house is not officially commenting on the identity of snowden, but certainly the justice administration is pursuing options for indicting and prosecuting him. this comes on the heels of three other controversies further pushing the obama administration off message in these early key months of his second term.

as edward snowden stunned the world with his admission, the administration intensified calls to hunt down the leaker of an nsa surveillance program. sunday night the justice department formally announced therm laurchlinching an investin into the unauthorized disclosure of classified information. president obama, after returning from california after a two-day mini summit with the chinese president, had no comment, but he recently announced he's upset with the spate of high profile leaks. >> i don't welcome leaks because there's a reason why these programs are classified. >> reporter: making the sunday talk show rounds, the chairman of the house intelligence committee said the leaks don't give a full picture of the nsa program. >> i know the reporter you interviewed greenwald says he's got it all and is now an expert on the program. he doesn't have a clue how this thing works, neither did the person who released just enough information to literally be dangerous. >> reporter: something the former nsa chief agreed with.

>> there are no records of abuse, not under president bush, not under president obama. >> reporter: but how the nsa gathers its information and what it does with the data remains a point of contention. >> i'm not convinced this vast trove of data has led to the disruption of plots. >> reporter: and on capitol hill the fight is just beginning. >> don't troll through 1 billion phone records every day. that is unconstitutional. it invades our privacy, and i'm going to be seeing if i can challenge this at the supreme court level. >> reporter: and all of this, of course, puts president obama off message. he has come out insisting to americans that the government is not listening to their phone calls, and it runs counter to their narrative his administration has worked so hard to promote, a narrative of transparency. >> he wanted to be talking with china diplomacy over the weekend and wants to talk about immigration today and tomorrow, but it's hard to do. it's a distraction, to say the least. >> for more what's ahead for

edward snowden, let's bring in senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and congressman king, chairman of the house committee. congressman king, could he have wiretapped the president if he wanted to? this guy claims to have extensive wiretapping access all the way to the top of the food chain. he said, if he wanted to, he could wiretap the president. is that true? >> no. and so much he said is untrue. this guy is dangerous to the country. he had, i think, real questions as to why he left the cia. the fact he's in china right now, or hong kong, which is a substation of china. he knows who our intelligence assets, who our intelligence agents are around the world, and the fact he has allowed our enemy to know our sources and methods is extremely dangerous.

i think he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. i consider him to be a defector. >> you consider him a defector. you were the first to call for prosecution after the guardian revealed him as the nsa leak. what prosecution would you like to see? >> i think prosecution should be to the fullest extent of the law. if you disclose classified information, you could be subject to severe penalties. he could face 15, 20 years in prison because of this. he should be prosecuted, and we should begin extradition proceedings as soon as possible. we do have an extradition treaty with hong kong. in the meantime, china could be holding him and getting information as to what he knows about our asset as round the world. >> our next thought is iceland. he could be seeking asylum in iceland. he's looking for his next step.

>> we need to make it clear to our nato allies they should not be granting asylum to this person who is such a danger to the united states. >> you heard congressman king call him a defector, and also heard people call him a hero, a whistleblower shining the light on practices the government shouldn't be doing. how much trouble is he really in? >> he's in enormous trouble. he broke the law. he had an agreement, when he received classified information, as any of us do when we receive access to classified information, you sign extensive documentation saying unauthorized disclosure is a crime. at a minimum, he has engaged in the unauthorized disclosure of classified information. that's a crime. he will certainly be investigated for it. because he's in hong kong, which occupies an unusual diplomatic space, it's not clear whether or how he can be extradited, but whether he committed a crime, there's no question. >> explain the extradition. this is a serious issue. >> it's very hard to explain.

china owns hong kong. hong kong has some quasi independence. we do have an extradition treaty with hong kong as opposed to china. the one thing that's clear is it doesn't work quickly. so i don't think we'll know exactly his status for quite some time. >> wouldn't it be ironic if china kept someone who is now inmany i infamous for trying to promote government transparency. >> and snowden's ideology makes it more bizarre. he's concerned about free speech and transparency, and he goes to a place that's under the control of one of the most repressive governments in the world. i don't think we're looking at a coherent ideology. he's upset. he doesn't like government policy. but we don't usually make

29-year-old high school dropouts decide what our policies are. >> espionage, is that on the table here? >> i suppose it's possible. in these series of leaks, the possibility of prosecution under the espionage act has been raised. you can go to prison for many, many years without the espionage act. the actual charges probably don't matter that much. >> what about the reporter glenn greenwald who says he's protected by the constitution? any charges against him? >> i don't think glenn greenwald is going to be prosecuted or should be prosecuted. it is true that we have been -- that some journalists have been investigated over the course of the last few months, that's what the controversy is about, but certainly president obama and eric holder say we don't want to prosecute reporters for doing their job. i don't think glenn did anything unlawful, but the leaker is a completely different story. >> you don't seem to have much ambiguity here. you think this is a clear-cut

case? >> he's engaging in an act of civil disobedience. civil disobedience is disobedience. you can argue it was justified and there's some higher calling, but you certainly can't say it wasn't against the law. >> jeffrey toobin, thank you so much. ahead on "starting point," he's the man who broke the story of the nsa surveillance program by landing the interview with the leaker edward snowden. glenn greenwald joins us live with the details of this explosive story. and prayers in south africa as nelson mandela is in the hospital. we'll have the latest on his condition. ♪

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welcome back to "starting point." i'm john berman. >> and i'm christine romans. >> we're going to begin with the nsa leaker. his name, edward snowden, a former cia employee who worked for a defense contractor in a riveting interview.

he said he can't allow the u.s. government to destroy privacy, internet freedom, and basic liberties, those are his words. what he did was he decided to come forward. pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins us now. >> reporter: good morning, john. good morning, christine. edward snowden says he just wanted americans to know what their government was up to, and he says he knew it all. >> you recognize that some of these things are actually abuses, and when you talk to people about them in a place like this, where this is the normal state of business, people tend not to take them very seriously and move on from them. but over time, that awareness of wrongdoing sort of builds up, and you feel compelled to talk about it. >> reporter: now, you know, snowden has his point of view on all of this, but he says the program was collecting intelligence on americans. president obama, top administration officials, say they are not collecting intelligence on americans though

they do collect some data about records of phone logs and that sort of thing. snowden goes on to talk about the one thing that does concern him about his future. >> the greatest fear that i have regarding the outcome for america of these disclosures is that nothing will change. >> reporter: something is going to change for him. he may be seeking asylum. the chinese may want to talk to him. the u.s. justice department, of course, has opened a full blown criminal investigation. the national security agency that runs all of these programs issued a statement about this last night saying, "the nsa has consistently reported, including to congress, that we do not have the ability to determine with certainty the identity or location of all communiquants

within a given communication. that remains the case." that bureaucratic language is the nsa's defense that it is not spying on americans. that is crucial. and they say they have notified all these programs to congress and that these programs are well understood by those with security clearances to know about them. john? >> barbara, what's the sense at the pentagon about what's been lost here in terms of security? how concerned is the pentagon that key secrets are out there, and who are they most concerned might have them in their hands? >> reporter: the key issue, the bottom line is do terrorists now have a better understanding of how the u.s. government keeps track of them, their cell phone calls, their chat room, their e-mail traffic, all of that? i think most terrorists, if they have a brain in their head, know not to use their cell phones, know that the u.s. government tracks them, but the level of certainty that the government may now have about where people are located and that gives them

that ability to target them, that's not the big concern of, simply that the terrorists now know too much. john? >> the other striking thing about this, barbara, is a 29-year-old guy who didn't graduate college who works for a contracting firm in front of the computer terminal, it's pretty shocking to a lot of people that he had this kind of information. how careful is the government about giving out security clearance, and do they have to re-assess that? >> reporter: i think this is now huge. he only had this job for three months. he was not an intelligence expert, by all accounts. as you say, a computer specialist. so he had no business going into these areas. if he was there to maintain computer systems, he had no business downloading material that he had no reason to know about. this has happened before. this happened in the bradley manning case. it was all supposed to have much tighter controls. a lot of questions now being asked, why didn't anyone notice? what exactly were booz allen's

controls over their systems and their programmers and their specialists? why didn't anybody notice that this guy was downloading the kind of material this guy did? >> booz allen hired for their expertise in secrecy. there's going to be a lot of questions about that. >> right now it's not entirely clear even where snowden is. a hotel in hong kong says someone using his name checked out today. why flee there? anna is following that angle for us. she joins us live in hong kong this morning. hi there. >> reporter: hi, christine. i think it's a good question, one that everyone wants answered. why would edward snowden get on a plane to hawaii, travel 14 hours to hong kong, halfway around the world, to leak this highly sensitive information? there are really two schools of thought as to why he chose this. perhaps he got it wrong. perhaps this was a big mistake because hong kong and the united states has a very healthy relationship. they do have an extradition

treaty. but others believe perhaps there was no mistake to this, that in actual fact he chose hopping ko because of its proximity to china. hong kong is part of china, but it does function due to its own autonomy. it does come under the two systems policy. perhaps china obviously would love the information that he has. he has a treasure trove of information, and china would definitely be very interested in speaking to him. christine? >> tell us more about the extradition treaty the u.s. has with hong kong. >> reporter: as i mentioned, a healthy extradition treaty between hong kong and the united states, but there are exceptions, the exceptions being if it's a political crime or if he was to be returned to the united states and face cruel and human degrading punishment, that's what he could argue. if he could argue this, hong kong would not be able to go ahead with the extradition treaty. that's what i'm hearing from the

immigration lawyers we have spoken to this afternoon, but certainly if hong kong was to grant this tradition treaty, china can step in. they can veto that. perhaps that is what he's hoping for, that china will intervene -- excuse the ship. i'm in victoria harbor. but certainly it's something that's of huge concern, of huge interest here in hong kong as to why he chose this city to leak this highly sensitive information, christine. >> is it's a beautiful shot behind you and just proof that indeed you are there live for us this morning in hong kong, where you can hear the ship behind you, thanks anna coren. >> coming up, where is edward snowden now? we'll speak to perhaps the only man who might know, glenn greenwald, "the guardian" reporter who broke this story and interviewed snowden. he'll join us live momentarily from hong kong. meanwhile, jury selection begins in the trial of george zimmerman charged with the shootinging death of trayvon

martin, which sparked a national debate on the use of guns. george howell joins us live. >> reporter: starting out, it will take a pool of 500 po tepgs jurors, then nar eyeirowing than to six jurors and five alternates. the goal to find a group that has not been influenced by the coverage in florida. was it a case of murder or self defense? those are the questions jurors will face in the case against george zimmerman. february 26th, 2012, the then neighborhood watch captain called police to report a teenager who he described as suspicious. what's in question is whether zimmerman pursued after a dispatcher told him not to. the one thing that is clear is there was a confrontation. 911 calls record someone in the background screaming for help. then you hear the fatal shot. >> i don't know why i think they're yelling help, but i don't know. >> so you think he's yelling

help? >> yes. [ gunshot ] >> the victim was 17-year-old trayvon martin. zimmerman, his admitted killer, was taken into custody but then released because prosecutors believed his claim he fired in self defense. the decision left this community in an uproar. >> we don't understand why he's not arrested. investigations can go on forever, and the family worries, i worry, the more time that passes, this is going to be swept under the rug. >> state attorney angela cory charged zimmerman with second degree murder. defense attorney mark o'meara eventually got a judge to grant zimmerman a $1 million bond, releasing him to house confinement with a curfew as he awaits trial. zimmerman has been in and out of court several times for pretrial hearings, in one case taking the stand himself to speak directly to martin's family. >> i wanted to say i am sorry for the loss of your son.

i did not know how old he was. i thought he was a little bit younger than i am. i did not know if he was armed or not. >> reporter: in the days leading up to trial, prosecutors asked that certain evidence, like these pictures of trayvon martin, not be admitted as evidence released. the focus now is on jury selection. so, john, the previous week there were several pretrial motions that were heard in the court. the judge hoped to wrap those up last week. that didn't happen. so she held court on saturday, but still that didn't happen. they expect to try to wrap up those pretrial motions today along with the jury selection that starts today, john. >> jury selection begins today. will not be easy, as you mentioned. it will be a difficult process trying to identify some impartial jurors in such a high publicity case. what's the process, george? >> reporter: here's what we know. there's a lot about the process that we don't know, but what we understand, today there will be 200 potential jurors that come

here. then on tuesday 100 potential jurors. wednesday 100. thursday 100. so a total of 500 potential jurors here. here's the thing. do they fill out the questionnaire today? do they come back a day later after they do that? that's unclear. so the plan is for this to happen this week, but clearly, john, it could last beyond this week. >> sounds like a complicated operation. george howell for us live in sanford, florida. all eyes on the supreme court. rulings on several big issues could be handed down any time, among them same-sex marriage, the civil defense of marriage act, and affirmative action in higher education. last week in its current term, the court upheld the practice of taking dna samples of people who have been arrested but not yet convicted of a crime. the newest senator will be sworn in, republican jeffrey chiesa new jersey's attorney

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all right. it may not be the next big thing, but apple is expected to unveil new services during the worldwide developer's conference which gets under way in san francisco in a few hours. cnn dan simon following that. he's live in san francisco. this is the biggest week for tech all year, i would say. i think it's a big week for tech and all about this conference. hi, there. >> hi, christine.

a very big week. you can see some of the apple die hards behind me. but in the face of growing competition, a sense that the p apple products are getting steal. they can evolve and be the trendsetter we've seen for so many years. >> we are calling it iphone. >> reporter: when steve jobs unveiled the original iphone it was years ahead of what anybody else was doing. six years later, the landscape has dramatically changed. can they be as dominant as they once were? >> i'm not sure they can be as dominant as they once were. i don't think anybody can be as dominant as apple once was. >> reporter: that's why today is so important for the company. to show consumers that apple is just as important as ever. first off, in the highlight of the event, showing off the latest operating systemhat powers your idevices some of

which have become steal. >> the things they innovated on are now standard and commonplace. the trick is, can they come up with new things or evolve their existing products and ways to completely set them apart. >> reporter: apple is expected to introduce a new music streaming service to compete more with pandora and spotify. a new phone and tablet are not expected until later in the year, products they need to regain steam. >> oh, can i share, too? >> no, yours doesn't do that. >> reporter: samsung has stolen a lot of the buzz with a lot of its commercials. wall street hasn't been kind as apple's growth has slowed. its stock is trading about a 35% lower from its 52-week high. a apple ceo tim cook was recently pressed about the company's fortunes. >> there is a sense that you may have lost your cool. that somebody else has the cool.

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our "starting point." the leaker emerges. how much access did nsa have? according to edward snowden they could have wiretapped the president, if they wanted to. and in the bizarre case of the actress accused of sending three letters containing the

deadly ricin to the president, she said she tried to frame her husband, what was her motivation? simon cowell gets egged and now the woman who hurled the egg is explaining herself. find out why she targeted the famed judge. >> good morning, i'm john berman. >> i'm christine romans. welcome to "starting point." in a riveting interview, the former cia employee who worked for a defense contractor said he couldn't, he can't in good conscious allow the u.s., the u.s. government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties, so he decided to come forward. pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins us now. barbara. >> good morning, christine. who is edward snowden? leaker, idealist? meet the man who turned the u.s. intelligence community upside down. >> when you're in positions of privileged access. >> reporter: this is 29-year-old

edward snowden. the high school dropout who worked his way into the most secretive computers as a defense contractor and then blew open those secrets by leaking unprecedented details of top secret government surveillance programs. he now risks never living in america, again, as a free man. >> i had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the nsa, the entire intelligence community and undercover assets all around the world. the locations of every station. >> reporter: snowden didn't leak that, but in an interview with the british newspaper "the guardian" hereveals himself as the source of several documents linked to glenn greenwald outlining a massive effort by the national agency to monitor e-mail and internet traffic of virtually everyone. >> i at my desk had the authorities to wiretap anyone

from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if i had a personal e-mail. >> reporter: snowden said he just wanted americans to know what the government was doing. >> even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. >> reporter: do you want it to be up front that he was behind the leaks. >> just another guy that sits there day to day in the office watching what's happening that goes this is something that's not our place to decide. the public needs to decide whether these programs and policies are right or wrong. >> reporter: "the guardian" said wolf blitzer asked who the leaker was. snowden watching did not react. he fled to hong kong after copying a last set of documents and told his boss he needed to go away for medical treatment. before all this snowden said he had a comfortable life, working for the nsa in hawaii with a

$200,000 salary and a girlfriend. he told "the guardian" he never got a high school diploma, attended community college, but didn't complete his computer studies. he joined the army in 2003, but was discharged after breaking both legs in an accident. he worked as a security guard for the nsa and then moved to the cia in a computer security job. in 2009, he left the cia eventually joining the contractor in hawaii. he began to see top secret documents on the extent of the nsa surveillance, including details that the government also had data on americans. president obama insists his administration is not spying on u.s. citizens, only looking for information on terrorists. for now, snowden believes hong kong's climate of free speech will protect him. there's no guarantee he won't be arrested, taken to mainland

china or sent back to the u.s. it appears to be a risk he's willing to take. >> you're living in hawaii in paradise and making a ton of money, what would it take to make you leave everything behind? the greatest fear that i have regarding the outcome for america of these disclosures is that nothing will change. >> snowden only had this job for three monthstop started downloading documents three weeks ago. one of the big questions is how did this happen with nobody noticing. christine? >> how much of our national security is handled by contractors and subcontractors. that's an interesting part of the story a going forward. >> obama administration has not commented on the revelation but the justice department launched an investigation into the leaks. top lawmakers in the house and senate say snowden should be prosecuted. they and the nsa former chief

also insists the leaks did not give an accurate picture of the work that inthe nsa does. brianna keilar with more from the white house. good morning. >> not commenting on the revealed identity of edward snowden as they review their options for extraditing him. knocking president obalm aa off message in these key early months of his second term. as edward snowden stunned the world with his admission, the administration intensified calls to hunt down the leaker opsunday night the justice department formally announced they were launching an investigation into the disclosure of classified information. president obama returning from california after a two-day mini summit with the chinese president had no comment, but he recently made clear he is upset by the spade of high-profile

leaks. >> i don't welcome leaks because there's a reason why these programs are classified. >> reporter: making the sunday talk show rounds, the chairman of the house intelligence committee said the leaks don't give a full picture of the nsa program. >> i know your reporter that you interview, groeenwald says he hs it all and expert on the program, he doesn't have the clue and neither does the person who released just enough information to be dangerous. >> reporter: something the former nsa chief agreed with. >> there are no records of abuse. >> reporter: but how the nsa gathers its information and what it does with the data remains a point of contention. >> i'm not convinced with the vast drove of data has led to the disruption of plots. >> reporter: on capitol hill, the fight is just beginning. >> don't troll through a billion phone records every day. that is unconstitutional and it invades our privacy and i'll be seeing if i can challenge this at a supreme court level.

>> reporter: this also steals the focus here in washington. it's actually a big week for immigration reform, a key test vote in the senate tomorrow. so, perhaps not as much scrutiny on congress, john. but it's certainly a problem for president obama because this story really comes smack up against the narrative that his administration tried so hard to construct and perceive one of transparency. >> every day it stays in focus, it pulls him off the agenda he wants to be promoting which is vastly different than this one. our next guests know something about shedding light on secrets. for her efforts, she was named one of "time's" persons of the year and writes about issues of national security. >> she joins us with jeffrey toobin who is here in new york. let me start with you. you know a little bit of what he

is going through right now. what it must be like to put this information a out there and all of a sudden have everyone talking about it. >> well, i think edward snowden was just quoted as saying his worst fear is that people do not take account of this enormous gravity of his disclosures, which he actually said this threat, this poses an extential threat to democracy. so now he's more concerned that the united states takes action, that congress takes action that really we have a serious investigation of these billions of total information awareness storage of calls and internet e-mails that target americans. >> were you scared? do you think he's scared right now? >> i'm sure that he has a healthy awareness of the bumpy road that lies ahead for him and, obviously, that is why, unfortunately, it's a sad, isn't it sad that we have to have an american person of conscious

truth teller flee to a foreign country to reveal unconstitutional actions on the part of the government. that's an incredible statement itself. >> she can correct me if i'm wrong. she did it the right way. she went through channels and protested and she was a hero, but she didn't just decide what was unclassified information on her own. break the law and then flee the country. i mean, i think colleen rowley was a hero. i don't think this snowden is a hero at all. >> you think he's in a world of trouble. >> i think he is in a world of trouble. didn't you play by the rules? you didn't leak stuff, did you? >> i was fortunate. joint intelligence committee inquiry even though the bush administration had fought tooth and nail not to tell the truth about what had happened before

9/11. the congress actually pushed that. that has not been. if you look at this history of total massive information awareness that everyone believed was quashed. people believed there was a debate that congress actually said no to this and then this additional moment after the bush administration was caught illegally monitoring and they, they kind of scared congress. they said a terrorist attack will occur unless you reauthorize this. there really has not been any debate where someone could tell the truth. this is exactly where national security experts now need to be brought in national academy of sciences report back in 2008 that actually said national security that this collection, this massive collection of data harmed security because it makes it harder to find the needle in the haystack or terrorists. >> colleen, thanks.

>> i think if people understood it was counterproductive, we would be debating. >> thank you so much for being with us. jeffrey, let's pick up with you. you, drew a distinction between what colleen did and what now edward snowden did. we talked about wikileaks and the pentagon leaks. how are they similar and how does it matter? >> it is a very hard question because they are all generically the same. they are all released as classified information. wikileaks was and the, i'm forgetting -- no, bradley manning. bradley manning was, a vast, vast scale. every day reporters do their job and interview people and sometimes get classified information. how do you draw a distinction between the normal give and take of reporters and something

that's clearly unacceptable. i don't know what the answer is. i think the legal system is struggling with that right now. >> one thing that is so interesting to me. this is a guy that worked for three months and apparently began preparing for this just weeks, weeks before he released this information. it's private contractors doing some of the most secret business of the united states government. that was something that surprised me. the scope of private, public companies doing -- making a lot of money doing private things for the government. >> there aren't more than a handful of people in the united states government who make $200,000 a year. this clown, this 29-year-old kid, high school dropout is making $200,000 a year getting enormous access to classified informationation with apparently very little supervision. >> if we believe all pieces of his story, by the way. >> that is a question worth investigating, as well. everyone complains about overpaid federal bureaucrats. what about vastly overpaid federal contractors.

>> this guy is in hong kong, edward snowden, he might seek a asylum. >> we can bring charges against him and then go to the government of hong kong. that is a very complex political situation there. hong kong operates quizy independently even though it is part of china. we can fry to extradite him from hong kong but china essentially has veto power over that. we can try to get it. we could pull his passport which might expedite the process. but it's not clear he will ever return to the united states voluntarily or involuntarily. >> going to -- >> china of all places. the beacon of first amendment values. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks so much. scary moments for a group of women sitting in this limo. they were all older than 90 years old. this limo caught on fire and what they did to get away safely. look at that.

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welcome back, every wp. talking all morning about what people are calling one of the biggest leaks in u.s. security history. leaking information about how the u.s. government tracks phone calls, tracks internet use from overseas. it has caused a firestorm. the man who broke the story was greenwald who spoke on "today" show just a short while ago. >> he didn't say he had the legal authority. that's a word you included in the statement that he didn't actually include. >> he said authorities. >> yeah, he said authority. not legal authority, which is what you just quoted him as saying. that is a misquotation because what he was clearly saying and the point you should be

interested in more so than a journalist is that people who sit at the nsa desk meaning thousands of them have the authority and the nsa has given them the power to go in and scrutinize the communications of any american and it may not be legal, but they have the power to do it. because all this takes place in the dark with no accountability and no checks that is the reason he felt so compelled about the capabilities this massive apparatus provides. >> edward snowden even claiming in an interview with "the guardian" he he could have tapped the president, if he had a personal e-mail address of the president. >> what greenwald was doing in his lecture there was explaining that sitting at that desk, he could have done it, whether it was legal or not. still unfolding this morning, the bizarre case of the actress charged with sending three letters including the deadly poison ricin. shannon richardson mailed

letters to president obama, michael bloomberg and the head of an organization co-founded by bloomberg. the federal charges carries a possible ten-year prison sentence. it has happened, again, another terrifying limo fire in northern california. this time, thankfully, everyone got out alive. look at what is left of this limo, the burnt out remains. ten women, most of them were in their 90s. they were older than 90 and on a way to celebrate a friend's 96th birthday sunday morning when their idling lincoln towncar limo erupted in flames. caretaker mary chapman was inside the limo helped the ladies escape with only seconds to spare. >> it's very fresh because when i looked out there was red flames all over the place and black smoke and now you can see the result. >> police are now investigating the cause of the fire. the limo's owner thinks he already knows what happened.

>> i'm speechless because this is a new car. okay. you can look at my tire. brand-new cars. i keep great records of the car. >> the fire right there between it's a manufacturer defect. >> five weeks ago, another limo burst into flames on the san mateo bridge. he admitted to killing trayvon martin but he claims it was in self-defense. all starting today. jury selection in the george zimmerman trial begins this morning live. we head to florida for details on that case that has so captivated the nation. [ dylan ] this is one way to keep your underwear clean.

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the courtroom and you can see where people are starting to file into the courtroom and we're watiting for the prosecutr and also waiting for mark o'mara to arrive. right now they're waiting for a few things to hap aen. a few pretrial motions that have to be wrapped up and then we get into the issue of jury selection. we're looking at a pool of 500 potential jurors. to narrow that down to six jurors and at least two alternates and the goal is to get as many people who have not been heavily influenced by this case to decide the fate of george zimmerman. was it a case of murder or self-defense? those are the questions jurors will face in the case against george zimmerman. february 26, 2012, the then neighborhood watch captain called police to report a teenager who he described as suspicious. what is in question whether zimmerman pursued after a dispatcher told him not to. one thing that was clear, there

was a confrontation. 911 calls record someone in the background screaming for help and then you hear the fatal shot. >> i don't know why i think they're yelling help or, i don't know. >> you think you're hearing help? >> yes. >> all right. what is your -- >> reporter: the victim was 17-year-old trayvon martin. zimmerman, hissed a a mi ed adm was taken in for questioning but then released because he fired his gun in self-defense. the days that followed left this community in an uproar. >> we don't understand why he's not arrested. investigators can go on forever and the family worries, i worry and the more time that passes, this is going to be swept under the rug. >> reporter: state attorney charged zimmerman with second degree murder. defense attorney mark o'mara got a judge to release a 1 million

bond with house curfew. he has been in and out of court for pretrial hearings, in one case taking the stand himself to speak directly to martin's family. >> i do want to say i am sorry about the loss of your son. i did not know how old he was, i thought he was a little younger than i am and i did not know he was arm aed or not. >> reporter: prosecutors asked that certain evidence like these pictures of trayvon martin not be admitted as evidence released. the focus now is on jury selection. lir live pictures back here in sanford, florida, outside the courthouse where we're waiting for the defense attorneys and prosecutors to arrive for court to start just around 9:00 a.m. eastern time. and, again, what we know, according to the defense attorneys, just a couple of weeks ago they did publicly state that they were running out of money. we now know from mark o'mara

they raised $85,000 to help them move forward in this trial. >> a big day there in sanford, florida, where we find george howell, thanks so much, george. joining us is criminal defense attorney danny savalos. this is a trial covered heavily in the media and already a lot of debate. media frenzy aside, how tough will it be for this prosecution to prove its case? >> this is a very tough case for the prosecution. i think observers on both sides agree. here's why. once this trial gets started. we'll hear that 911 tape in its entirety and when you listen to it from beginning to end, the prosecution not only has the burden to prove, but a depraved heart. you have to ask yourself, did george zimmerman act as if i drove a car into a crowd of people. substantially certain he would end up killing someone. that's what the prosecution has to prove. a very high burden. then they additionally have to

disprove the possibility of self-defense. then we look at the evidence of george zimmerman's injuries a, the grass on his back, the witness testimony that he was being beaten down maa style. this is a tough case for the prosecution. >> if second degree murder, if the jury does not find there is enough evidence for second degree murder, what other options do they have? >> yeah, second degree murder means they acted with that depraved heart. substantially certain that something would happen, to wit, someone's dead. when you go down to manslaughter, that's maybe an unintentional killing that happened with such a high degree of negligence. a self-defense. lesser included defense that the jury may consider. the prosecution has to put on evidence of that second degree murder. if the jury finds that they haven't met their burden on second degree murder, they may say, look, you haven't met your burden on anything. you overshot and that may lean towards an acquittal. >> if you're george zimmerman's

defense attorney what jurors are you looking for as this jury process gets under way today? >> you want fair and impartial jurors. each side wants the juror that is going to be most partial to them. the reality here is you're not going to find jurors that have heard nothing at all about this case. that's okay. the key is knowing what they know. can they be fair and impartial? can they approach this case with an open mind? of course, there are the obvious ones as a defense attorney you may want to avoid people related to law enforcement who have been victims of crimes, but they would be excused for cause. the one thing you have to be careful of and i don't think these attorneys will try, cannot exclude jurors based on race. as racially charge ad as this ce has been. you cannot use your preemptory challenge to exclude jurors based on their race. >> danny cevellos people watching this case for so long finally gets under way today in

sanfwo ford, florida, with jury selection. nelson mandela is in the hospital this morning for the fourth time since december with a recurring lung infection. mandela is in serious, but stable condition. you get the sense this time it seems different. >> absolutely. it's around 2:30 in the afternoon here, john. good morning to you. the most recent information we received these past few hours from the office of the president is that nelson mandela's health remains unchanged today and essentially means that his status is still serious, as doctors believe, but stable. good and bad news in there. it means nelson mandela's hlth took a turn for the worst at the end of last week and doctors were able to stabilize him, but it seems they have not been able to do much more than that. nelson mandela is 94 years old.

he turns 95 next month, in fact. this would be a serious situation for anybody. but the fact that he had this recurring lung infection four times in the hospital since december of last year is a cause for concern. john, i can just tell you the conversations around nelson mandela's health for the first time are starting to center on the fact that perhaps nelson mandela's family needs to let him go. those are the words of andrew who is a close friend of nelson mandela and, in fact, served time with him in prison some decades ago. a bit of a tabu thing to say here. you don't speak about the impending death of a respected elder out loud. to hear that from close friends now is proving to be quite a contrast from months ago. he lived a long, full life and south africans are becoming more comfortable with the fact that he won't be around forever. >> i have been in south africa during health issues for nelson mandela and everyone is so

careful with the language they use, particularly the government. called on everyone to pray for nelson mandela. how are they handling the situation right now? >> well, it's interesting. the anc is being quite careful that they want to respect the fact that nelson mandela has retired from public life and he is a private citizen. all the rights to privacy that everyone else would be. he's no ordinary citizen. in fact, the anc was criticized in late april after his last health bout for going to his home and taking part in what many consider a photo-op. the most recent video we have of nelson mandela showing him to be frail and almost disconnected and unaware of what was happening around him. staring off into the distance without the charm and wit that he has been characterized with. the anc wants to be careful to not seem as if they're capitalizing on his health for better or worse in any way, but, still, this international

appetite to know how he is feeling and how he's doing. >> errol barnett in south africa, thank you for being with us this morning. appreciate it. a convicted child rapist busted in washington state after getting secretly caught snapping pictures of children in two stores. that man, 54-year-old randy smith was taking photos of a 6-year-old girl as she tried on a bathing suit at a fred meyer grocery store. that's when the girl's father and another customer spotted him and wrestled him to the ground until police showed up. he spent more than 17 years in prison for assaulting a 3-year-old child. britain's prince harry is showing off his skills as a chopper pilot. he served in combat in afghanistan, but this stint at the controls was strictly to entertain the crowds at an raf air show in england. harry xwoep in the british military served as co-pilot

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doctors are crediting what they call surgical super girl for saving the life of this beautiful 3 1/2-week-old girl. she was born with a rare and life-threatening condition. her mother didn't know what the problem was, but she knew something wasn't right. >> we went to a baby who was very quiet to one that was screaming ask screaming and throwing up. at that point you know something's not right, something is very wrong. >> reporter: she rushed her daughter to the emergency room for a second time in hopes of finding answers. >> the ultrasound was as far as we made it because they saw something in her head at that point in time and decided, obviously, to transport her to a hospital that was better equipped to care for what was going on. >> reporter: doctors at the university of kansas hospital found a brain aneurysm that is as thing thin as angel hair pasta. bleeding in the brain in infants

is so rare there aren't even tools he used a an instrument that was as thin as hair. he was able to deposit this glue. surgical super glue stopped the bleeding. >> if you tried to treat the baby without closing the aneurysm, meaning conservative treatment, support the baby and hope that the blood vessel will heal itself, most of those babies can't survive. so, we had a strong reason to develop a plan to close the aneurysm. >> every day she seems more like herself. so, she's much happier. >> reporter: doctors are pleased with the results. >> oh, we're thrilled. the breathing tube was taken out the very next day. i did not know that she would be ready that fast. and i think he's been making steady strides since.

we're all very happy. >> like mu giver in the nicu. i want to turn to elizabeth cohen with more on this remarkable story. just amazing they were able to move so quickly and so quickly she was doing better, elizabeth. >> it is incredible. babies heal so fast and part of the reason is they did some of the most minimal intervention they could do. feeding this catheter instead of opening up her head. her recovery will be faster. >> what is her prognosis now? >> i was talking to him yesterday and he said her prognosis is great. he said, even if there were damage to her head, which appears, to her brain, which appears there might have been some brain damage. here's the thing, newborn babies their heads are so plastic, that's the word doctors use. they can adapt and change so easily just like a piece of soft plastic. so, if one small part of her brain is damaged, it's okay, some other part of her brain will pick up the slack and do

what that part of the brain was supposed to do. babies who have strokes, which is what this child had, they can recover and become completely normal. >> what made her case so unique because aneurysms are usually fatal. >> if we had an a aneurysm like this, we would be in trouble. you have this aneurysm that bursts and you have a hard head. we can only tolerate a certain amount of pressure before things go wrong. you probably remember when your babies were little, their scalps are really a soft and there is more wiggle room is what it comes down to. you can have that amount of pressure and the baby can be okay. >> do successful outcomes mean we'll see more of the amazing super glue in similar cases? >> we might, but so few of these cases. i asked him how many of these have there been where a baby has an aneurysm that bursts and has bleeding in their brain? 17 cases in the past 65 years.

>> 17 recorded cases. so, maybe the next time this happens, someone will take a lesson from him and use super glue, but there aren't that many occasions where you would want to do this in this particular way. >> we're certainly glad that baby ended up in his care and everything turned out okay. do you know there is a country where 100,000 new cases of leprosy are detected every year or nine out of ten people don't have toilets or a country that ranks lower than north korea for free speech? join cnn opinions john sutter and help change that. be a part of cnn's new initiative called "change the list." an experiment where you, the viewer, get to pick what cnn covers. it takes just a minute to participate. it's worth trying. logon to cnn.com/changethelist and choose five of the 20 topics that you think need to change the most. you pick it.

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because they're a sign of progress and cool engineering. isn't that cool to watch? >> the level of excitement is a little disturbing. break out the violins. a saudi prince is suing "forbes" for underestimating his wealth. claims "forbes" was deliberately biassed when he was ranked as the 26th wealthiest person in the world. the prince claims he is worth nearly $30 billion and also sued "forbes'" editor and two reporters. justified or not, simon cowell is considered one of the meanest people on tv. you've seen it tearing into performers on any one of his shows, but there is a woman out there who took things entoher own hands and, admit it, it may give you just a little cause to smile to see the judge become the judged covered egg, instead. watch this. a shocking moment during brit n "britain's got talent" finale.

a woman hurls an egg at simon cowell. it wasn't part of the act. performing "the impossible dream" ♪ when suddenly from behind them the woman races to the front of the stage and starts pettiltinge judging panel. the egg thrower was quickly rushed off stage and the performance continued without a hitch. prompting a standing ovation by the judges and crowd. >> that is not part of the act. >> reporter: the egg tosser is natalie holt. she played viola accompanying them. she took part one year ago with her band, but they didn't have a great experience. take a look at what her band mate wrote back then as quoted

online. honestly, if you think watching those talent schshows is gut wr, you should try being a contestant in one. the egg throwing incident begs the question, are contestants fighting back because tv judges are just too mean. tough critique has become a staple on many of the talent competition shows. >> go home! >> this job is too rough for me. i don't really want to do it any more. >> i don't want to make you cry. >> reporter: cowell may have created the nasty judge trend on "american idol" and ended up doused with water by an angry contestant. >> terrible. >> holt said she targeted cowell for his dreadful influence on the music industry and apologized for the prank. i've never done anything like this before and in hindsight, i

have realized it was a silly thing to do. even with egg on his face, cowell managed to get the last word, tweeting, i don't think egg should be allowed on talent shows. discuss? >> they will not pursue charges. they were singing "impossible dream" because it went from impossible dream to dream come true. "starting point" back in a moment.

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