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happening now in the newsroom. holed up in hong kong. >> even if you're not doing anything wrong. >> 19-year-old high school dropout edward snowden speaking out from a secret location. >> i sitting at my desk had the authority to wiretap anyone from you to your accountant to a federal judge to even the president. >> this morning the man who leaked the top secret government spying program front and center, what could he be charged with? will he be extradited and are some chinese happy he's there? also , in court --
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>> something's wrong with him. george zimmerman gets a jury. the question, murder or self-defense. in a case that divided the nation, we're live in sanford as jury selection gets under way right now. plus -- brockovich busted. >> would you mind if i investigate this a little further. the famous activist arrested in vegas over the weekend. we'll tell you what happened. and heated up. the miami heat take game two. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you for being with me. mild mannered and soft spoken, this man rocked the u.s. government and maybe your trust in the government. edward snowden says his computer work for the intelligence
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community exposed a dirty and horrifying secret when you pick up the phone or logon to the internet, the government is listening and is watching and somewhere here in hong kong snowden is hiding from his own country. he came forward knowing the risk because he says americans are losing their freedoms without even knowing it. here's part of his interview with a british newspaper, "the guardian." >> because even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded and the storage capability of these systems increases every year consistently by orders of magnitude to where it's getting to the point you don't have to have done anything wrong. you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call and then they can use the system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made. every friend you ever discussed something with and attack you on that basis to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life
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and paint anyone in the context of a wrongdoer. >> cnn has deployed its correspondents around the world and miguel marquez in hawaii and brianna keilar at the white house and barbara starr is at the pentagon. let's begin with you, barbara. >> when you're in positions of privileged access. >> this is 29-year-old edward snowden, the high school dropout who worked his way into the most secretive computers of the u.s. intelligence community as a defense contractor and then blew open those secrets by leaking unprecedented details of top secret government surveillance programs. he now risks never living in america again as a free man. >> i had access to, you know, the full rosters of everyone working at the nsa, the entire intelligence community and undercover assets all around the world. the locations of every station we have. >> reporter: snowden didn't leak that, but in an interview with a
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british newspaper "the guardian" he reveals himself as the source of several documents leaked to documents glenn greenwald outlining a massive effort by the national security agency to track cell phone calls and monitor e-mail and internet traffic of virtually everyone. >> i sit in my desk certainly have the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president, if i had a personal e-mail. >> reporter: snowden said he just wanted americans to know what the government was doing. >> even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. >> i'm just another guy that sits there day to day in the office and watch what's happening and say this is not our place to decide. the public needs to decide whether these programs and policies are right or wrong. >> reporter: during the interview snowden watched cnn's
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wolf blitzer ask a panel who the leaker was. >> do you know who is leaking this information. >> reporter: snowden watching, did not react. he fled to hong kong three weeks ago after copying a set of documents and telling his boss he needs to go away for medical treatment. before all this, snowden said he had a comfortable life working for the nsa in hawaii, with a $200,000 salary and a girlfriend. he told "the guardian" he never got a high school diploma, attended community college, but didn't complete his computer studies. he joined the army in 2003, but was discharged after breaking both legs in an accident. he says he worked as a security guard for the nsa and then moved to the cia in a computer security job. in 2009, he left the cia, eventually joining the contractor booz allen in hawaii. he began to see top secret documents on the extent of the nsa surveillance, including details that the government also
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had data on americans. president obama insists his administration is not spying on u.s. citizens, only looking for information on terrorists. for now, snowden believes hong kong's climate of free speech will protect him. but there's no guarantee he won't be arrested, taken to mainland china or sent back to the u.s. it appears to be a risk he's willing to take. >> you're living in hawaii and paradise and making a ton of money, what would it take to make you leave everything behind? >> the greatest fear that i have regarding the outcome for america, of these disclosures is that nothing will change. >> well, now, what is it u.s. intelligence community do about all of this? they will now look at every computer logon to every document and what he had access to and
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try to determine how much damage he may have caused to national security. carol, i have to tell you, one thing, one claim he made is already being questioned. he says he has access to every -- the list of every undercover operative. sources i talk to say that is very unlikely. carol? >> let's hope so. barbara starr reporting live from the pentagon. someone checked out of a swanky hong kong hotel according to a hong kong staffer. rooms here go for roughly $350 a night and now snowden is no where to be found. anna is in hong kong. does this mean snowden is in hiding or we just don't know where he is at the moment? >> he is definitely in hiding somewhere here in hong kong. that is something that was established by one of our producers around noon local time when they asked the hotel staff
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whether there was an edward snowden and they say he checked out at noon but had been staying there for the past three weeks. why hong kong? why travel 14 hours, half way around the world to leak these highly sensitive information here? well, from the analyst, carol, we have spoken to, they say it is china. that is the key factor here. of course, he is in possession of a treasure-trove of highly sensitive information. so, some things the chinese would like to get their hands on. now, let's have a listen to what the journalists from "the guardian" had to say. he interviewed edward snowden a few days ago. >> he snuck in his hotel every day, he never goes out. i think he's only been out about three times since may 20th. and that was only briefly. so, from morning to night, he's in his hotel room. eats his meals in the bedroom.
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very confining. and he's on the internet, you know, he's able to keep in touch with events that way. he has the tv on. he watches cnn, wolf blitzer. and it's funny, i was in the room with him and he was watching wolf blitzer and blitzer was asking the panel who do you think the leaker is? he was sitting in the bed watching it and to be fair, there was no chuckle, no smile. he watched it deadly serious. >> certainly interesting that he has been watching cnn and monitoring how this has all unfolded. obviously, cnn has extended the invitation to speak with edward snowden. we are waiting to hear back from him. hong kong and the united states does have an extradition treaty. however, china can step in and veto this. if china thinks that edward snowden has information that it
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considers highly valuable, which no doubt he does. they could step in and help the extradition from happening. >> fascinating. has snowden had any contact at all with his family? we knew he had a girlfriend and family members still in hawaii. >> yeah, living in hawaii with his girlfriend add aiin having $200,000 a year. he left this lifestyle to take this enormous risk. this is a man who could potentially end up back in the united states in prison. from what we understand, carol, from the interview that we got from "the guardian" he hasn't had any contact with his family. let's have a listen to what ewen mackcaskill had had to say about what is going to happen from here on in. >> get this over. he has no real plan b. and he knows that he can't go back and the terrible thing is,
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whether they'll be victimized. he's basically call from his family. if he keeps in touch with them, then he's scared they will be penalized for that. he's in a strange, no man's land of hong kong. you know, it's partly chinese sovereignty, but yet enjoys a lot of freedom of some legal status. so, who knows what will happen if the u.s. asks for extradition. >> carol, snowden said he wasn't seeking media attention and he didn't want to become the story. i can certainly assure you that everyone here in hong kong, if not around the world, the media is looking for edward snowden. >> anna reporting live from hong kong this morning. this intelligence leak has exploded across washington saying national security may have been compromised. the chairman of the homeland security considers snowden a defector and he scoffed at
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snowden boasts that he entrusted with so much power. he could have spied on anyone, including the president. >> so much of what he said is untrue. this person is dangerous in the country. i think he had, the real question to why he left the cia. the fact that he is in china right now, a stub state of china and intelligence assets are for our intelligence agents are around the world and the fact that he has allowed our enemy to know what our sources and methods are are extremely dangerous. i believe he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. i consider him right now to be a defector. >> bottom of the hour, live to the white house as the administration scrambles to take some kind of action. can the president recover from this latest blow and what will happen to snowden? we'll talk about all of that just ahead. also learning more about two of the victims gunned down in
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santa monica, california. they were leaving santa monica's college when john zawahiri fired into their car. talked about carlos' last call to his wife. >> carlos leaving the college with marcella and he called, we're here representing her mother and he called leti and he said, i'm running a little late, but i want you to know i still love you. he doesn't do that. and then we never heard from him again. >> family members say they want to be remembered as a family full of love and not as victims of that bullet riddled car that you saw on television. cnn's tori is live in santa monica. >> so, carol, really that sentiment is being felt here on campus, as well. people i have spoken to this morning say they don't want the gunman to win. they want to return to some sort of sense of normalcy here today
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and all of that will happen here within the hour when the campus is running. les let's talk more about the police investigation and where that stands right now. here is a photograph of the suspected gunman. a quick timeline of events to make sure everyone is up to speed. all this started when the suspected gunman killed his brother and father. then they believe he set the house on fire and carjacked a woman and forced that woman to drive to santa monica college and police say he was firing off at random and even firing off at a public bus that was driving by. ultimately, he ended up here on the campus of santa monica college. he shot that father and daughter and those two ended up passing away. he shot a woman at the library and all this ended when he was shot and killed by an officer here on campus. but the police investigation continues this morning, carol. right now they're still searching for a motive. it's not believed that police will hold any news conferences
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throughout the day. of course, that could change. tory dunnan reporting live from santa monica, california, this morning. watching and waiting, that's what apple fans and investors are doing today. they want to see if the iconic tech company will unveal another gadget. alison kosik is with us now. so, what might apple unveil today? >> oh, yes, let the speculation begin, carol. here is what is most likely coming. first of all, an update to the operating system. a refreshed mac book which hasn't had an update since 2010. possibly, an update to apple tv on the way. now, here's the one really making pandora and spotify very nervous. could be called iradio and the rumor is it is free to users and ultimately supported by ads. it would use what apple calls
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its genius program based to choose songs which is in your itunes library. now, here's the problem with all this, there's no game changing category, busting product announcement expected. no iwatch, no apple tv set and not even a new iphone to do duke it out with the samsung galaxy s4. that's what is worrying some investors.ple is not offering. i think apple shares have seen better days. in the premarket up slightly. but you look at how apple has been performing over this past year. shares down 17%. sitting at $114 a share. just to give you some perspective. the data iphone 5 was unveiled and shares at $696. this is interesting to watch when these announcements are made we'll see how investors think. >> alison kosik reporting live
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from new york stock exchange. a bit of sports to end this block. the nba's defending champs are not giving up their crown without a fight. mi miami heat beat the san antonio spurs in south beach. the best of seven series now tied at 1-1. nba finals head to san antonio for games three, four and five. just ahead in the newsroom, 15 months after trayvon martin was gunned down in a florida community, the man accused of pulling the trigger is getting his day in court. hi, i'm terry and i have diabetic nerve pain. i worked a patrol unit for 17 years in the city of baltimore. when i first started experiencing the pain, it's, it's hard to describe because you have a numbness... but yet you have the pain like thousands of needles sticking in your foot. it was progressively getting worse, and at that point i knew i had to do something. when i went back to my healthcare professional...
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that can resist this. the search is on for ten people to serve on the jury in the george zimmerman trial. as you know, zimmerman is accused of killing trayvon martin last year. jury selection began just a few minutes ago. in the courtroom today is trayvon martin's parents and this past weekend zimmerman's attorney told hln jean cuzars what he wants to see in a potential juror. >> someone who is fair, somebody who has not made up their minds yet and open to the law and the
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evidence and most importantly somebody who will not give in to the external pressures on this case right now. >> you need somebody brave sph. >> yes, i think i need someone who is willing to make up their mind after they hear everything and then stick to it and not be worried about any fallout that might happened. >> let's head to sanford, florida and george howell. you're covering the trial. >> the judge here seems to be ready to move forward with this case. just a few minutes ago we heard mark o'mara ask for a delay of trial and the judge denied that request. they're moving forward to hand out questionnaires to 120 jurors. move forward with the jury selection process in this case against george zimmerman. was it a case of murder or self-defense. those are the questions jurors will face in the case against george zimmerman.
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february 26th, 2012, the then neighborhood watch captain called police to report a teenager who he described as suspicious. what's in question whether zimmerman pursued after a dispatcher told him not to. one thing that was clear is there was a conferenrontatiocon. someone screaming for help and then you hear the fatal shot. >> i don't know why, i think they're yelling help. but i don't know. >> so, you think you're hearing help? >> yes. >> the victim was 17-year-old trayvon martin. zimmerman, his admitted killer, was taken into custody for questioning but then released because investigators accepted his claim that he fired his gun in self-defense. the days that followed left this community in an a uproar. >> we don't understand why he's not arrested. investigations can go on forever and the family worries, i worry
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and the more time that passes, this is going to be swept under the rug. >> reporter: state attorney angela cory charged zimmerman with second degree murder. mark o'mara got a judge to grant zimmerman a $1 million bond to house arrest with a curfew. he has been in and out of court several times for pretrial hearings, in one case taking the stand himself to speak directly to martin's family. >> i wanted to say i am sorry for the loss of your son. i did not know how old he was. i thought he was a little bit younger than i am and i did not know he was arm aed or not. >> reporter: in the days leading up to trial, certain evidence like these pictures of trayvon martin not be admitted as evidence released. the focus now on jury selection. and the challenge, carol, in finding a jury here. they're looking for six jurors. at least two alternates. again, they're looking for a group of people who have not
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been heavily influenced by more than a year of intense coverage of this very controversial case. overall, we know that they are looking for at least 500 potential jurors. today they're talking to 100 of them and you can imagine that process, carol, will continue through the week. >> i can imagine that. geor george howell reporting live from florida. paul callan is here. good morning, paul. >> good morning, carol. >> you sat on both sides of the table. how do you find a jury in a case that is so highly publicized? >> it is a tough thing and i have to tell you the most important thing in this whole case. has been done before. it was done in the o.j. simpson case and a whole line of high-profile cases. you're not going to come up with people who have never heard about the case. frankly, they would be brain dead if they hadn't. but you're going to come up with
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people who will say, yeah, i heard things about it on television, but i promise, i'm going to decide this case based on the evidence that i hear in court. and any juror who can say that will be allowed to serve on the jury. now, each side will get a number of preemptory challenges. they can knock somebody off for any reason at all. they can't use race as a factor or religion or gender, other than that, they can bounce people. we'll see how it turns out. >> having heard all of that. zimmerman's attorney said he'll ask for a change of venue if it looks like they can't find an impartial jury. so, how likely is that? >> i think o'mara will want to say in seminole county and i'll tell you why. the demographics favor him. this case flips jury selection on its side. normally a, the prosecutor is looking for authoritarian types who have good jobs and who are likely to convict.
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and the stereo typical view of most prosecutors are that those tend, more often than not, to be white people who are in high-ranking positions and organizations. the defense on the other hand is looking for people who are suspicious of authority. and they tend to be from minority groups. they tend to get harassed a bit more by the police, maybe a lot more than people, other people. in this case, though, prosecutors are going to be looking for the minority people on the jury and o' mara looking for the -- ownply 1 1% compared to 16% in the rest of the state. african-american jurors are going to be more likely to favor the prosecution in this case. >> you'll stick with us through this case, i assume it will be a long, long journey. >> absolutely. it will be an interesting one. still ahead in the
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newsroom -- >> darren? darren? former cast member of that show "vampire diaries" now behind bars. accused of sending r ooicin-lac letters to the president of the united states because she wanted revenge on her husband. seriously? the odd case of shannon richardson, next. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support, we help you shine every day of the week.
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still unfolding this morning, a bizarre case of a pregnant d-list actress who stands accused of sending ricin-laced letters. shannon richardson actually tried framing her estranged husband for the crime, but failed a polygraph test and now the evidence is pointing right to her. christine romans is in new york with the latest. it's so strange. >> it really is. now, richardson told authorities, this woman told authorities her husband made her
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mail the letters. early a on in the investigation when she was trying to pin the whole thing on him, law enforcement officials, carol, said they had serious credibility issues with her. for now, carol, she is in custody. the 35-year-old mother of five is waking up in a texarcana jail awaiting her arraignment. shannon richardson is knowingly accused of mailing letters containing the dangerous substance ricin and may face additional charges, as well. the letters were sent in an attempt to frame her husband, a u.s. army veteran who she allegedly wanted to divorce. richardson is pregnant with her sixth child, the first with her husband. letters for president obama, new york city mayor michael bloomberg and the head of a gun control organization co-founded by bloomberg in washington, d.c., all tested positive for ricin. but they were intercepted before reaching their intended victims. mayor bloomberg seemed conconcerned by the threat.
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>> i have more danger from lightning than anything from anything else. and i'll go about my business and we're certainly going to keep working on getting guns off the streets out of the hands of criminals and people with mental problems. >> reporter: richardson is an actress who has gone by shannon guest and shannon rogers. small roles on tv shows including "walking dead and vampire diaries" which was news to both producers who took to twitter, simply unable to remember her. some actress from "walking dead" said, never heard of her? know what role she played? a producer from "vampire diaries" responded if she played an equivalent part to the one she supposedly played on " "vampire diaries" she was third background from the right or something.
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she found information about ricin on his computer. caster beans in the trunk of nathaniel's car as well as traces of the poisonous powder around his house. the letters that she originally sent which said, you have to kill me and my family before you get my guns. the right to bear arm as is my constitutional god given right. what is in this letter is nothing compared to what i have planned for you. they believe richardson planted the evidence and that nathaniel couldn't have been the one searching online about ricin because he would have been at work when the searches were done. >> we cleared the hurdle that he was the only person involved and now we need to prove that he wasn't involved. >> reporter: authorities now say they were skeptical, carol, of her story and credibility from the beginning. nathaniel richardson has filed for divorce citing discord or conflict of personalities. shannon richardson's attorney did not respond to cnn's request for a comment on this case and
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this client. carol? >> it goes on. christine romans reporting live for us from new york. at 33 minutes past the hour, stories we're watching in "newsroom." ringing a bell on trading and wall street doing the honors today. executive blackstone mortgage trust. let's head to the new york stock exchange and alison kosik. good morning. >> good morning, carol. we're watching stocks add to friday's big gains. carried through the weekend. throw that momentum off track just yet. the economic calendar is quiet and no big earnings reports out today. one individual stock we're keeping our eye on today. mcdonald's. shares jumped 2.6% in may and this is significant because it's a big turn around after sales fell in the first four months of this year. mcdonald's says breakfast sales gave a big boost they recently added breakfast items to their after midnight menu. seems to be working for them. watching shares up 1.5%, helping to give the dow a little bit of
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a lift. dow up 21 points in the first few minutes of the trading day. carol? >> we'll check back. alison kosik reporting live for us. in hawaii, a man is under arrest after getting his truck stuck in the pacific ocean. look at it there. police say the man was driving along the beach when a wave pulled the truck into the water. he is charged with operating a vehicle under the influence. three tow companies were needsed to pull the truck from the water. in north carolina, police are trying to figure out what killed an 11-year-old boy and left his mom unconscious in a hotel room. the very same room police found an elderly couple dead in april. they don't believe the cases are related. he has no high cool school diploma but says he could spy on anyone, including the president of the united states. >> he doesn't have a clue how this thing works.
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edward snowden has been described as mild mannered and soft spoken but his actions rocked the u.s. government and maybe your trust in the government, as well. snowden said his intelligence work exposed a huge secret. when you pick up the phone or logon to the internet the government is watching and listening. somewhere here in hong kong, snowden is in hiding from his
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own country. he said he came forward knowing the risks because he said americans are losing their freedoms without even knowing it. here's part of his interview with the british newspaper, "the guardian." >> when you're in positions of privileged access like a system's administrator for the intelligence community agencies, you're exposed to a lot more information on a broader scale than the average employee and because of that you see things that may be disturbing, but, over the course of a normal person's career, you'd only see one or two of these instances. when you see everything, you see them on a more frequent basis and you recognize that some of these things are actually abuses. when you talk to people about them in a place like this where this is the normal state of business, people tend not to take them very seriously and move on from them. but over time, that awarene nen sort of builds up and you talk
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about it and the more you talk about it, the more you're ignored and told it's not a problem. until you realize these things need to be determined by the public not by somebody who is simply hired by the government. >> but a government investigation is now under way. charges may be filed, although we don't know what those charges may be at the moment. and the white house is dealing with this, too. that's where cnn's brianna keilar is this morning. how is the white house handling this? any comment? >> so far, carol, the white house is not commented on the identity of edward snowden being revealed. right now, the administration is considering options for extraditing snowden and also depending exactly where he ends up, what country he ends up in. forcing president obama off message in these key early months of his second term.
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as edward snowden stunned the world with his admission, the administration intensified calls to hunt down the leaker of an surveillance program. sunday night the justice department formally announced they were launching an investigation into the authorized disclosure of classified information. president obama returning from california after a two-day mini sumwit the chinese president had no comment. but he recently made clear he's upset by the high-profile leaks. >> i don't welcome leaks because there's a reason why these programs are classified. >> reporter: making the sunday talk show rounds, the chairman of the house intelligence committee say they don't give a full picture of the program. >> he doesn't have a clue on this thing works. neither did the person who released just enough information to literally be dangerous. >> reporter: something the former nsa chief agreed with. >> there are no records of abuse under president bush, under
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president obama. >> reporter: but how the nsa gathers its information and what it does with the data remains a point of contention. >> i'm not convinced with the collection of this vast trove of data has led to the disruption of plots. >> reporter: on capitol hill, the fight is just beginning. >> don't troll through 1 billion phone records every day. that is unconstitutional, it invades our privacy and i'm going to be seeing if i could challenge this at the supreme court level. >> reporter: but the administration is comfortable that what it has done in these programs is legal. that they're govern by abilities given to the administration by congress itself and certainly administration officials, carol, point to the fact that while, yes, there may be bipartisan opposition to some of the details uncovered in these stories over the last week, they feel that they have some really strong bipartisan support from key democrats and republicans. >> talk much more about this in the next hour of "newsroom."
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brianna keilar reporting live from the white house this morning. coming up next in "newsroom" supreme court's busiest month of the year and waiting it see how justices will rule on key major issues from voting rights to same-sex marriage. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support, we help you shine every day of the week.
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at the age of 14, she was forced into an arranged marriage. >> in ethiopia, one in five girls gets married before the age of 15. the reason is really financial hardships. the family feels like they need to send a girl off to another man's home so that he can take care of her. >> but when girls like melka refuse to marry, they suffer. >> translator: without my consent, my parents forced me to get married. when i refused to go, my parents beat me. >> reporter: on her wedding night, melka ended up in the hospital. authorities got involved and she was sent back to her family. her mother says she regrets forcing melka to marry, believing they both would have been better off if melka would have continued her education. now melka is working to prevent this from happening to other girls. she spends her free time at the local primary school teaching about the dangers of early
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marriage and how they can make a better life for themselves by staying in school. women like melka want girls in ethiopia to know they have a choice and they are not alone. melka was able to go back to school and complete her high school education. to learn more to help prevent early marriages and support girl's education go to cnn.com/girlrising. by the way cnn film "girl rising" premieres this sunday, june 16th at 9:00 p.m. eastern. [ female announcer ] think all pads are the same? don't.
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>> the court but also the justices may not be in agreement. we've seen major decisions handed down that seem to be the product of last-minute you can have this type of trading of votes that goes back and forth. >> i'm amazed it is all kept so secret because i have heard not a peep, nothing coming from the supreme court. >> they don't have a lot of leak prosecutors the supreme court and helps to have only nine people that are really in the know. they also have some judiciary clerks. it is a very small group if a leak occurs it is not that far to figure out who it is.
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>> i'm going to ask a prediction. like everybody is saying same-sex marriage. that will not come until the last day of the session which is you don't know 24. who might come first? >> well, first of all, the key to brett same-sex marriage, carol, is that if this take one of the off-ramps, the decision was -- granted, this is called digging a case or dig a case, and by that, they -- they basically say we made the mistake and shouldn't have accepted the case, that was opening discussed in oral argument. or they could get rid of the case on what's called standing or tech any campground. if they go with one of those routes we could see an opinion come out earlier. little reason to hold on to it. i'm looking at the voting and patent cases which are ripe for release. as you mentioned earlier it is sweeping. the question is what can be claimed as property and here they are claiming this gene sequence that's being used to
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test for breast cancer as private property. that is really forced a question that has been long debated. what are the limits you can claim anything under the sun that's made by man. but, of course, those genes are not exactly the product of this company. but they are saying they spent a lot of money to find out specifically the sequence you need to see if you have a likelihood of breast cancer. >> yeah. of course, the -- this case became even more fame news light of angelina jolie that went to the very company, the only company that can determine if you possess this gene. >> that's right. >> that's right. we are going to talk much more about this in the days to come. thank you. you will be back p the supreme court has a decision in the next 20 minutes or so. >> thanks. we are back in a minute. goodnight.
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happening now in the newsroom. nothing to hide. edward snowden, the nsa leaker, said he did it for. >> did you even if you are not doing anything wrong you are being watched and recorded. >> hiding in a hotel room, he says he does not expect to ever come home. also, it begins. george zimmerman in court in a case that divided the nation on race and gun control. we are live in sanford, practice. plus, whose life is worth more and who should decide? tough questions in the fight to
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save a 10-year-old girl. apple, can it still invent cool products you don't know you immediate or want? we find out today. you are live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning. thank you so much for being with me. i'm carol costello. we begin this morning in hong kong because somewhere in the city, edward snowden the man that leaked sensitive intelligence from america's spy agency, may be on the run. after introducing himself on camera to a nation with a lot of questions. >> i'm willing to go on the record to defend the authenticity of them and say i didn't change these. i didn't mod pie the story. this is the truth. this is what's happening. you should decide whether we immediate to be doing this. >> a man with snowden's name reportedly checked out of this luxury hotel. would journalists said snowden left the hotel only a few times
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since arriving in hong kong three weeks ago. now he has given up his anonymity and likely any chance to return to the united states and living prely admitting he is the source of an intelligence leak that has the obama ad point the defense. questioning just how much the government knows about everything from their phone calls to their facebook updates. he hear in his own words edward snow glen you hear things that may be disturbing but over the course of a normal person's career you see one or would of these instances. when you see everything, you see them on a more frequent basis and you recognize that some of these things are actually abuses and when you talk to people about them, in a place like this, where -- this is the normal state of business, people tend not to take them very seriously. and, you know, move on from them. but over time, that aware must of wrongdoing builds up and you feel compelled to talk about it.
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the more you talk about it, the more you are told it is not a problem million eventually you realize that that's things need to be determined by the public. not by somebody who was simply hired by the government. msa, intelligence community in general, is focused on getting intelligence wherever it can by any means possible. it believes on the grounds of sort of a self-certification they serve the national interest. originally we saw that focused very narrowly tailored as far as intel -- foreign intelligence gathered overseas. now increasingly, we see that it is happening domestically. to do that, they -- nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone and it ingests by depault and collects them in its system and filters them and analyzes them and measures them and stores them for periods of time. simply because that's the easiest, most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these
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ends. so while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government or someone they suspect terrorism, they are collecting your communications to do so. any analyst at any time can target anyone. not all analysts have the ability to target everything. but i sitting at my desk certainly have the authority to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a practical judge and to even a president if i had a personal e-mail. i think the public is owed an explanation of the motivations behind the people who make these disclosures that are outside of the democratic model. when you are subverting the power of government, that is a fundment dlan drus thing to democracy. and -- if you do that in secret consistently, you know, as the government does, when it wants to been pit from a secret action that it took, it will give its official as mandate go, hey, tell the press about this thing and that thing. so the public is on our side.
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they rarely, if ever, do that when an abuse occurs. that falls to individual citizens but they are typically maligned and it backs thing of these people are against the country, they are against the government, but i'm not. i'm no different from anybody else. i don't have special skills. i'm just another guy who sits there day to day in the office and watches what's happening and goes -- this is something that is not our place to decide. the public needs to decide whether these programs of policies are right or wrong. i'm willing to go on the record to defend the authenticity and say i didn't change these. this is the truth, this is what's happening. you should decide whether we immediate to be doing this. >> that was a partial excerpt of the interview. we will play the rest for you at the bottom of the hour. snowden says you and every other american deserves to know the government is monitoring you. the issue has become much bigger
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than a debate over privacy. >> it does not show -- said it is untrue, again, this person is dangerous to the country. he had -- real question as to why he left the cia. the fact he is in china now or hong kong, substate of china, knows where the intelligence assets are, intel gents agents are around the world and the fact he allowed our enemy to know when our sources and methods are. it is extremely dangerous. i believe he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. i consider him to be a defector. >> joining me now, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. cnn chief national correspondent john king. cnn's wolf blitzer and cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin. he is monitoring the u.s. supreme court now. john, i want to start with you. how does snowden's revelations damage national security? am i now in danger because of him? >> it is an interesting
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question. it is a pass mating debate. we are going to have that because of these leaks. the president does want this debate in public. many members of congress don't want it. some members do. now the public gets it whether it wants it or not. are you in danger? mr. snowden says yet. mr. snowden says you are in danger because the government is monitoring your information. what the intelligence folks and white house will tell you is you are in danger now because he put this out here in the public domain so the bad guys know what the united states government is doing to track them. we are a dozen years and couple of months removed from 9/11. this is a debate the country had only periodically and now we are going to it publicly because of the actions of mr. snowden and the united states would like to bring him back and bring him to justice. that would be an interesting thing to watch in the coming days. it will be interesting to watch. these are the president's friends, if you will, on the left or r the once saying he's overstepped here and mr. snowden is put into the public domain and the evidence they will now use to have a debate aut civil liberties and debate about whether the united states government is going too far.
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>> i was going to say don't the bad guys already know the u.s. government is monitoring their e-mails and phone calls? >> of course they know. the question is how, from what ways, how do they analyze it, and how deep is the context. one would assume they would have to be idiots not to know the united states government is doing everything it can to track them. do the american people revolt? protest against this? do they think the government has gone too far. big brother on steroids. that's an inning thing because most of the americans dashes person reply the days after 9/11 if you remember, most americans thought, okay, that attack was horrendous and government should do what it takes. the question is a dozen years later, do the american people want to hit the reset button? let's step back and think about this again. have we gone too far. is the need as urgent as it was hen? that's a conversation the country probably should have anyway. and now it has a lot more details about just what the government is doing as we have it. >> along those lines, wolf, snowden claims he had your personal e-mail, he could
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wiretap you or anyone, even president obama, president obama says that the government is not listening to your phone calls. that's silly. no worries. the question is who will the public believe? >> the president is very clear on this. national security agency officials, other members of the u.s. intelligence community, and leading members of congress from the intelligence committees, in the house and senate, they say that it is -- the rules are very, very clear. they monitor, the monitor of the records of all of these phone calls. if there is a foreigner who they suspect is involved in terrorism, and they want to follow up on that, they can wiretap and can listen in to the foreigners' conversation was people in the united states. if there is an american who is talking to somebody overseas, that they suspect could be involved in terrorism, they could monitor that. but if it is an american they have to go back to court and to get a special warrant to go ahead and monitor and listen to that actual conversation. >> most americans would say
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that's sounds reasonable but right now not many people have trust in government, do they? >> lot of people don't trust the government. lot of people don't trust the big federal government and that's going to cause a lot of heartburn for a lot of the officials who are deeply involved in this, if you speak to national security types and members of the intelligence committees and others, they say that these programs have been very successful in avoiding and averting terrorist attacks against the united states. if you speak to the other side they say they haven't been all that successful. it is just a waste of time and waste of money and invasion of individuals' privacy. >> gloria, since snowden escaped to hong kong, this is the most fascinating part, escapes to hong kong and he sucked china into the mix. so how will this affect how the obama administration deals with him? >> i guess the question is whether, in fact, snowden then becomes a pawn between the united states and china? look, i think what's going to occur, carol, a first is the question of whether the u.s. is
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going to seek extradition. they are going to want to arrest him. they are going to want to get him back into this country. usually that would occur pretty quickly. he could claim that he's going to face cruel and degrading treatment in this country. that if he does say that, then that will be a question that would have to be addressed. the question then, of course, is whether china at some point intervenes. but i think that -- given what occurred from congress, you heard congressman peter king earlier, for example, say he needs to be righted as a defector, then we are going to want goat him back in this country as quickly as we can. >> could he charged with -- ask jeffrey, too. he is tied up with the supreme court. what could he be charged with? espionage? that's the only charge i have heard loan around. >> yes. he could be charged with espionage and i'm not legal
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eagle here but i would think that would be the most likely thing for him to be charged with. you know, the question is in this kind of a trial, what do you want public and what do you not want public? as you were pointing out before, most of the american public actually believes that we immediate to be protected here. what they are worried about -- again, this splits sort of down the middle although older people are more worried about it than younger people sometimes. that, you know, they are worried -- they are worried about protecting privacy. and they are worried about terrorism. so this is going to be kind of a very, very tricky thing and don't expect, carol, for example, a trial would occur within a short period of time. i think that's going to take an awfully long time to unravel. >> okay. gloria borger and wolf blitzer. jeffrey toobin was busy with the supreme court. he just told us that the u.s. supreme court will issue no major rulings today. they are going to leave that for another day.
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15 minutes past the hour. time to check our top stories. former south african president nelson mandela is in serious but stable condition for a recurring lung infection. that's according to south african's president who was called on the country to pray for mandela. mandela was rushed to a hospital saturday and he's still in intensive care. officials in new orleans think they found the body of that missing school teacher, carolyn monet. her car was pulled from a bayou this weekend with a decomposed body inside. an autopsy is expected to take place this morning. he was last seen march 2 leaving a bar after a night out with friends. so far police are not ruling out the possibility of powell play. rescue crews in morning california battled extreme heat and dangerous rapids to save a family stranded in a river. a mother who turned her two daughters and nephew got stuck on a rock for more than four hours after water levels suddenly rose several feet.
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would bystanders that tried to help also got stuck. they were rescued, too. six jurors, four alter nature, hundreds of people will now be screened as potential jurors of the george zimmerman murder trial. charged with second-degree murder in the death of trayvon martin. martin's parents released a statement saying, quote, we are seeking justice for our son and a fair trial. ray vonn's life was taken unnecessarily and tragically. but we call upon the community to be peaceful. we have placed our faith in the justice system and ask that the community do the same. ashleigh banfield joins us now. good morning. >> good morning. >> i'm thinking this will be a long process to choose a jury. >> you know what? it could be. it also could end up in a very unique situation that's happened in florida before whereby they could not find a jury in one county. i remember in a trial that had to be moved because they could not find an impartial panel. it is not as though it has not
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happened before. ultimately, carol, have heart and have faith because i sals say this, if can you pick a jury for o.j. simpson you can pick a jury for george zimmerman as well. >> it struck me the martin family statement was released a short time ago. it struck me they asked for peace, for things to be peaceful. i mean, do you notice anything not so peaceful down there in florida? >> i will tell you what, the helicopter is buzzing over top of the courthouse. that starts off with the circus-like at months pier. ings in have changed over the course of the year. the narrative of the story began with such a frenetic, you know, you know -- i don't even know what to call it. but it just seemed as though there was so much that wasn't being said properly and there were pieces of information coming out without context. a lot of people jump order the story and took it their way. and i think that has settled since there has been a lot of discovery. people started to figure out more of the narrative and does not mean there are not incredible gross divisions in this story. i think more people wouldn't
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hear what they have to say in court before, you know, marching in whatever rally they choose. that said, it is florida and this is the place that where casey anthony was heard. hope reply had will be the kind of story where we can actually focus on the evidence in court and let the procedure, criminal procedure, actually run its course because that's the only thing that's going to determine whether that man is guilty or not guilty of second-degree murder. >> speaking of evidence, george zimmerman's attorney wanted to get a lot of the evidence thrown out before the trial started. because he wanted so much information kept out, what does that tell you about his case? >> well, you know, interestingly, the prosecutors also wanted things suppressed and wanted things mitigated. they are both fighting hard. i mean, this is a political case so the prosecutors do not want to mess up on this. they also don't want to have appearances they haven't worked their utmost on this case. they don't want something to come back at them on appeal if
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they don't set the record. you can't appeal anything unless you bring it up and put it on the record to start with. there is a lot of cautious maneuvering in the courtroom in pretrial and likely during trial as well. expect a lot of objections. but i think that, you know, look, the defense attorneys had a rough go in pretrial motions. they lost a lot of them. i have seen many cases turn afterwards. i have also seen many a case go exactly the way pretrials went and -- when it bodes badly from the bench for one side, it ends up that way, too. sometimes juries look at what that ultimate jurist is saying, the judge in the case. when the judge is hard on someone the jury tends to think there must be a good reason for that. again, evidence is evidence. >> i was going to ask you on scale of one to ten, how likely sit that george zimmerman will take the stand in his own defense? >> are you seriously going to ask. carol costello, you should know better than that? here is the deal. no matter what george zimmerman wants to do, mr. there are plenty of clients that desperately want on have their
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say. they feel so wronged or feel like they deserve to say something the lawyers didn't say. strategically that's not always a good idea. there are a million factors that come into it, your personality, how you come across. even if you are as innocent as the light of day. i don't know. that's usually a decision that's made towards the very end once you see how the prosecution's case is, the prosecution doesn't meet its burden, don't put your butt up on the stand because you can undo what doesn't need to be undone. >> but p the defense is losing badly it may be your only chance. >> could be. look, i -- you know, i have heard his voice on the stand before. it wasn't what i expected to hear. and it may bode well for him but, again, it is a political case. it is not going to be all based on just the facts sadly which every court case should but it has been out there in the press. people have screamed and yelled and marched on the streets on both sides of the case. he may be his only saving grace or his own worst enemy. i couldn't tell you until i saw him. >> ashleigh banfield, thanks as always. it has been nine months
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the dow is off to a vslow start for the week. alison kosik is at the new york stock exchange. tell us why. >> month surprise to see stocks losing momentum after the huge rally on friday where we saw the dow jump 207 points on the jobs report. investors in a funny way are calling the jobs report a goldilocks jobs report. it was not too hot, not too cold. strong enough to keep the economy shuffling along and weak enough for the fed to keep pu pumping stimulus money into the economy. shares right now are gaining
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1.75%. >> i want to talk about apple before i let you go because it is having this big conference and everybody is hoping for the next big thing so apple stocks will recover. and in a the laster will return to the company. >> well, that is what everybody is hoping for. you know what's inning, this developer's conference, it may be more about what we don't expect to see. you know, no iwatch, not an iphone to duke it out with the galaxy s4 that came out in the springtime. here's what some investors are worried about, what will not come out. there is one potential game changer in this. apple could announce a new streaming digital radio service that is making pandora and spotify nervous. it could be called i-radio. it would be free to users because it would be supported by ads. it would use what apple calls its genius program to choose songs based on what is already in your itunes library which means it will require less user input and to set up custom
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stations. let the speculation begin and the developers conference begins in a couple of hours. >> okay. i know you will keep us posted. thanks so much. quick look at the weather this morning. if you are along the east coast expect lots and lots of rain with a chance of flooding in some areas. and out west, it is going to be hot. i mean really hot. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner,
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good morning. thanks so much for being with me. i'm carol costello. checking the top stories at 30 minutes past the hour. his identity is now revealed and now he may be on the run. edward snowden the man behind the u.s. -- or the nsa intelligence leak, says he did it all because he says you and the rest of the american public have a right to know. critics say snowden is a threat
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to u.s. security and should be prosecuted. peter king calls snowden a defector. >> does not show -- so much said that's untrue. again, this person is dangero to the country and -- real questions as to why he left the cia and the fact he is in china now, hong kong, which is the sub-state of china, he knows our where our intelligence assets are, intelligence agents are, around the world and the fact that he has allowed our enemy to know what our sources and methods are is extremely dangerous. i think he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. i consider him now to be a defector. >> he boast he was entrusted with so much power that he could have spied on anyone, even the president of the united states. you are going to hear more from snowden in his own words in just a minute. the attorney for a philadelphia crane operator says his client is being made a scapegoat. sean bentz remains in jail for
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involuntary manslaughter after wednesday's building collapse. bail was denied. marijuana was found in the crane operator's blood. in north carolina police are trying to figure out what killed an 11-year-old boy and left his mom unconscious in a hotel room. this is the same room police found an elderly couple dead in back in april. police don't believe the cases are connected and say there is month danger to the general public. erin brockovich the environmentalist activist, was arrested for drinking and boating. officials say they found her struggling to dock her boat and after an investigation, they say she was, quote, significantly over the legal drinking limit. as promised we have more from edward snowden. the former nsa employee who was hiding out in hong kong after revealing the agency spying on americans. in an interview with the guardian snowden speaks about the potential response from the u.s. government and why you should care about what the nsa
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is doing and why he fled to hong kong. >> yeah. i could be, you know, rendered by the cia. i could have people come after me or any of their third party partners. they work closely with a number of other nations or they can pay off -- any of their agents, assets. we have got a cia station just up the road. the consulate in hong kong. i'm sure they are going to be very busy the next week. that's a fear i will live under the rest of my life, however long happens to be. you can't come forward against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and be completely prefrom risk because they are such powerful adversaries that no one can meaningfully oppose you. if they want goat you they will get you in time. but at the same time you have to make a determination about what it is that is for to you.
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if living unfreely but comfortably, i think many of us are, the human nature, you can get up every day and go to work and collect your large paycheck for relatively little work against the public sxint go to sleep at night after watching your shows. if that's the world you helped create that extends to the next generation, you realize you might be willing to accept any risk and it does not matter what the outcome is so long as the public gets to make their own decisions about how that is applied. >> why should people care about surveillance? >> because even if you are not doing anything wrong, you are being watched and recorded. and the storage capability of these systems increases every year consistently by orders of mag my tud to where it is getting to the point you don't have to have done anything wrong. you simply have to eventually
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fall under suspicion from somebody. even by a wrong call and then they can use the system to go back in time and skrut mize every decision you have ever made. every friend you have ever discussed something with. and attack you on that basis to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life and paint anyone in the context of a wrongdoer. >> we are currently sitting in a room in hong kong which is where we are because you traveled here. talk about why it is you came here and specifically there will be people will speculate what you intend to do is defect to the country many see as the number one rival of the united states which is china. that way you are really -- you are seeking to aid an enemy, or the united states, which you intend to seek asylum. can you talk about that? >> sure. there is a couple of assertions
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in those arguments. that are -- embedded in the questioning of the choice of hong kong. the first is that china is an enemy of the united states. it is not. i mean, there are conflicts between the united states government and the chinese prc government. but the peoples inherently -- we don't care. we trade with each other freely. we are not at war. we are not in armed conflict. we are not trying to be. we are the largest trading partners out there for each other. additionally, hong kong, has a strong tradition of free speech. mainly china has significant restrictions on free speech. but the hong kong -- the people of hong kong have a long tradition of protesting in the streets, making their views known. internet is not filtered here. more so than any other western government. and i believe that the hong kong
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government is actually independent of -- in relation to a lot of other leading western governments. >> the conversation with edward snowden continues after a break. hear what he piers now the disclosure was made. copd makes it hard to breathe... but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can help make this a great block party. ♪ [ male announcer ] advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function.
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a public's right to know. that's how edward snowden defends his leak of nsa surveillance tactics to the media. he as someone with his authority could have chosen a more harmful course of action. here is more of his interview. >> if your motive had been to harm the united states and help its enemies or your motive was personal and material gain, were there things you could have done with these documents to advance those goals doesn't end up doing? >> absolutely. anybody in the positions of access with the technical capabilities that i had could, you know, suck out secrets, pass
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them on the open mark tote russia and have an open door. as we do. i have access to, you know, the full rosters of everyone working at the msa the entire intelligence community. and undercover assets around the world, locations of every station, we have what their missions are and so forth. if i had just wanted to harm the u.s., you know, that -- you could shut down the is your veil an system in an afternoon. but that's not my intention. i think for anyone making that argument, they immediate to think that if they were in my position, and -- you know, you live a privileged life, you are living in hawaii and paradise and making a ton of money, what would it take to make you leave everything behind? the greatest fear i have regarding the outcome for america, disclosures is nothing will change.
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people will see in the media all of these disclosures and know the length that the -- government is going to grant themselves powers unilaterally to create greater control over american society and global society. but they -- they won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things to force their representatives to actually take a stand in their interests. and then -- the months ahead, the years ahead, it is only going to get worse million eventually there will be a time where policies will change because the only thing that restricts the activities of the surveillance state are policy. even our agreements with other sovereign governments, we consider that to be a stipulation of policy rather than stipulation of law. because of that, a new leader
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will be elected and they will flip the switch. say that because of the crisis, because of the dangers we pace in the world, you know, new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority and we immediate more power and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. >> coming up next in thenewsroom, who decides who lives and dies? what does it mean for others that zdesperately need a lung transplant? it's monday.
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a group that sets lu transplants is meeting today. it puts many kids at the end of the waiting list for adult organs. the rule comes on the story of a sick 10-year-old. sarah was born with cystic fibrosis. she joins 30,000 americans fighting for their lives, fighting to breathe. the median age for survival is the late 30s. sarah's family had some reason to cheer this week. a judge stepped in with a ruling that could save her life and allow her to get an adoes lung transplant. her mother, janet, reacts to the ruling.
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>> odds are she is mum one, if not number one, she is mum two, for the region, her blood type. and before this -- before this ruling, she was number 100 maybe. so to talk about a difference, we had no chance, no chance of getting lungs. the odds of sarah die wrestling very high. we have a chance. there is no guarantee but we have a shot now. >> arthur kaplan joins me. the head of the division of the medical ethics at new york city university's medical center. welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> thanks for being here. that ruling was an exception but today the rules could change forever. right? >> that's right. we have a system that has been in place for many decades now for distributing organs. they are very scarce. we immediate more people to donate that your organs. sign up for your -- check your driver's license. we can diminish this problem. mutual fund the last every day someone is going to die. some one going the live. the rules for sarah and lung
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transplant have basically said adult organs don't fit in children. so they have come up with an age, 12, under which it is hard to make that organ fixed and that has been the principle. parents said look, it is arbitrary. she may be bigger, maybe she can fit an organ in there. what about using a piece of an org organ? they are challenge the rule. >> what do you think they will decide? will they make a permanent decision the other way? do you think this will be a -- a temporary decision and go back to the old way? >> i think that it is going to a temporary decision. they may make room for her and maybe one other child who is also involved in a lawsuit now. if they can take or -- if the organ can fit. they really immediate to do, though, not let judges decide or congress or publicity campaign. they need to do what they always do which is to see where the medical data indicates the best chance for saving a life. remember when sair comes on, somebody else whose name we
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don't know goes off the list and they die. you want to try to get the best results of the scarce organs you have. if it is the case the children can do okay, then that has to really be the subject of medical discussion, transplant expertise, not lawyers, not judges. maybe an exception coming but i think to revise the rules will take a few more month. >> since sarah gets cystic fibrosis, if she gets the new lungs will that lengthen her life to a normal life expectancy or will she still be in danger? >> that's a great question because what we are hearing in the media is, you know, she will have her shot. she is going to get a chance. but sadly, kids with cystic fibrosis who get a lung transplant, the survival rate at 6 years, 50% have died. . the lung transplant isn't
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perfected. it is a very difficult operation. the lungs are fragile. it is easy to damage them. the medicine you have to use to keep the lung in there so the body doesn't attack it, that's very powerful and causes lots of side effects. yes, she would have her life extended but we could be looking at another transplant issue for her in five or six years. >> what you said at the beginning, like -- should be based on who can best survive and sarah probably would not be in that category. >> sarah is probably in a bit of a disadvantage in terms of survival because it may be that she can't accept or fit the large adult lung and would only be using a part of it and that may hurt her chances to do well with that. and her cystic fibrosis is very aggressive. she is very young to be, if you will, terminally ill with it. the odds of survival for her will not -- zero and not insignificant are long shot
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odds. so you really want to make sure -- i think this is a principle all americans want to understand clearly, you have only got a few organs, and up want to try to save the most lives with the greatest probability of success. that's why it is so much a medical judgment and not something for judges in congress or even the secretary of health and human services. >> so you are the ethics guy and -- you know, if it were my child i would be fighting just as hard because i would want that child to live as long as possible. >> sure. >> just from an ethical standpoint, what should happen? >> well, if it was my kid i would be fighting hard, too. i would would be making the appeals. here's why we have the system to try to handle everyone who is going to try to hope that they get the scarce organ. would points. one, we want the system to stay intact and i don't want to see lawsuits by everybody at the bottom of the list.
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we have to give some leeway to doctors. and make the call about who will do best and the other thing we need to do is sign our donor cards and get behind organ donation and we might even think in this country ethically let's shift to an assumption we all want to be organ donors which most people want to do and others who don't to sign a card. if we can sign in to an opt-system for the mall number of people that don't want to do it, that would go a long way of helping sarah and others like her. >> i opted in. >> thank you for joining thus morning. s! ♪ they haul everything, safely and on time. ♪ tracks! they connect the factories built along the lines. and that means jobs, lots of people, making lots and lots of things. let's get your business rolling now, everybody sing.
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55 minutes past the hour. time to check the top stories. ten women in california lucky to be alive after the limousine they were waiting in burst into flames. you can see the remains here of the charred vehicle. the elderly women, some of them using walkers, were able to escape without any serious injuries with the help of their caretakers. the limo's owner blames a manufacturer's defect for the fire. new study from bankrate.com says seniors nationwide are not saving enough money for retirement. financial planners typically recommend that you save enough money to replace at least 70% of
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the man behind one of the biggest leaks in u.s. intelligence history hiding out in hong kong. his identity now revealed. his pace and future in serious jeopardy. will the cia and nsa track him down? what will the president have to say about all of this. the top secret program that that young man exposed. we may find out when he speaks at the white house this hour. deciding the fate of the man who killed trayvon martin. zeroing in on potential jurors today in the racially charged trial of george zimmerman. let's start with the nsa leaks. the guy at the center of revealing the leaks has now revealed himself. his name is edward snowden. and this is part of his reason for doing it in his own words. >> the nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone and it ingests them by default and collects them in its
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