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on to this cliffside in the first place? but first, the growing controversy that refuses to go away, the top secret surveillance. moments ago, general keith alexandre revealed that more than 50 plots were foiled since 9/11 because of the nsa secret surveillance program, but the blockbuster so far is for a man named sean joyce, the deputy director of the fbi. he revealed four instances that he says secret surveillance has prevented terror attacks, including two really that we have never heard of before. here is part of what he said before. >> it's a relationship that's been invaluable. i want to high -- in the fall of 2009, ns at intercepted an e-mail from a terrorist located in pakistan. that individual was talking with an individual located inside the

united states, talking about perfecting a recipe for explosives. through legal process, that individual was identified as naji azazi. the fbi followed him to new york city. later he executed search warrants, and found bombmaking components and backpacks. azazi later confessed to a plot to bomb the new york subway system with back packs. also working with fisa, business records, the nsa was able to provide a previously unknown number of one of the co-conspirators adis medaja, this was directed from pack stage. another example, nsa utilizing 702 authority was monitoring a known extremist in yemen. this individual was in contact

with an individual in the united states need khalid uazani, individuals identified through the fisk were able to detect a nascent plotting to bomb the new york stock exchange. uazani had been providing information and support to this plot. the fbi disrupted and arrested these individuals. also david headley, the u.s. citizen living in chicago. responsible for the killing of over 160 people. also n. sa through coverage of an al qaeda affiliate it had terrorist found that he was working on a plot to bomb a danish newspaper office that had published the cartoon depiction shuns of the

prophet muhammad. in fact, headley later confessed to personally conducting surveillance of the newspaper office. he and his co-conspirators were convicted of this plot. lastly, the fbi had opened an investigation shortly after 9/11. we did not have enough information nor did we find links to terrorism, so we shortly thereafter closed the investigation. however, the nsa using the business record fisa tipped us off that this individual had indirect contacts with a known terrorist overseas. we were able to reopen this investigation, identify additional individuals through legal process, and were able to disrupt this terrorist activity. that was sean joyce, the deputy director of the fbi. president obama also continues to strongly defend the nsa surveillance program. he did it in a new interview.

we'll have more of that in a moment. we're covering all angles of this story. dana bash is on capitol hill, fran townsen joins us via skype here from new york, and in washington chief political analyst gloria borger. dana, i want to start with you. the key points of this hearing and what your sources are the hill are saying and whether they're satisfied with what they are hearing. >> this is kind of jointly put out there by the chairman and ranks member of the committee and the witnesses. this is one of those rare times where this is really a choreographed dance. however, you played that very long explanation of what we were waiting for, new information about terror plots that they say at least were helped -- stopped by these programs. there was a bit -- i was just e-mailing with a source in the room a bit of disappointment that the new plots were not highlighted more.

i think probably the one that is already -- i see it on twitter and -- the plot was out there to blow up the new york stock exchange. that is something we didn't know about. others like the new york subway plot and others we did know about. this one is new, so i expect the chairman of the committee mike rogers to, as one source said, help unpack this, means more explain what these plots were and how in fact these secret programs were used to help stop them. >> there needs to be some unpacking, because there was some very cryptic language used when discussing it. as you said, he mentioned four plots domestically. we knew about the new york stock exchange, we knew about the man involved in mumbai, but the new york stock exchange plot, that seemed new. what's your take on that? >> if youly that one is hard to united states, at least you have a target, right? we can refer to it and try to

understand how it is this program advanced the disruption of that plot. the fourth one is the most ephemeral, the most ill-described, right? he talks about an investigation opened shortly after 9/11, the fbi didn't have enough, it was closed, the nsa then gave them some lead information indicating indirect contact by someone in the u.s. with someone somewhere overseas, that allowed them to use their authorities to disrupt a plot somewhere in the world, we don't know where. this is going to require an awful lot of digging for it to be credible, frankly. if they're going to talk about four plots, then they better be able to describe at some level of detail how it is these programs played a direct role in the disruption. we're not hearing very much of that yet. >> you think they need to tell us more. that's a perfect segue to

gloria. let's listen to this exchange that president obama had in an interview last night with charlie rose. >> sure. >> what i can say unequivocally, if you are a u.s. person, the nsa cannot listen to your telephone calls and the nsa cannot targets your e-mails -- >> and have not? >> and have not. they cannot and have not. >> so you have that long self-defense from the president, and this hearing going on at the moment, which according to fran lacks details. you have been writing a very powerful column that the president really needs to tell us more. is this the more that you were calling for? >> uh, no, and i think that the -- the problem here is that people don't trust the congress, which the president says is completely informed on this. they don't trust the government, which the president and the

administration say is completely informed on this. they do say, however, we understand why you might need to do this. so what they want the government to do is to lift the veil a bit on the process, how they make these decisions. i think you saw the deputy attorney general trying to do that today, trying to methodically outline how metadata does not mean listening into the kevin of your conversations, for example action and then try to outline exactly the process that they go through, not unlike a grand jury process, but then general alexandre says, well, there are sort of 50 cases we can only tell you about them -- >> actually general alexandre is speaking again right now. let's go back to the hearing right now. >> -- to flip a switch by some analyst to listen to americans' phone calls or read their e-mails? >> no. >> the technology does not exist

for any individual or group of individuals at the ns amount to flip a switch to listen to americans' phone calls or read their e-mails? >> that is correct. >> mr. joyce, if you could help us understand that, if you get a piece of a number, there's been some public discussion that, gosh, there's just not a lot of value in what you might get from a program like this, that has this many levels of oversight. can you talk about how that might work into an investigation to help you prevent a terrorist attack in the united states? >> sure. >> investigating terrorism is not an example science. it's like a mosaic. we try to take these disparate pieces and bring them together to form a picture. there are many different pieces of intelligence. we have assets, we have physical surveillance, we have electronics surveillance you through additional legal process, also these programs

that we're talking about here today. they're all valuable pieces to bring that mosaic together, and figure out how these individuals are plotting to attack the united states here or whether it's u.s. interests overseas. so every dot, as general alexandre mentioned, we here the cliche frequently about connecting the dots. el can tell you as a team, with the committee and with the american public, we come together to put all those dots together to form that picture, to allow us to interrupt these activities. >> all right. thank you. given the large number of questions by members, i'm going to move along. >> i want to thank all the witnesses for your presentation, especially mr. cole. very good presentation, i think you explained the law in a very succinct way. you're listening to the hearing on capitol hill with general alexandre along with other key officials, outlining

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welcome back, everyone. we are covering this hearing in washington. you are looking at general keith alexandre, the chief of the nsa, answering questions about the surveillance program right now, and also questions about edward snowden, the contractor who leaked so much of the information that we're now discussing nearly every minute of every day. listen. >> director clapper has asked us

if providing that feedback to the rest of the community. >> okay. thank you. i yield back. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you all for being here, and for making some additional information available to the public. i know it's frustrating for you, as it is for us, to have these targeted narrow leaks and not be able to talk about the bigger picture. general alexandre, you mentioned that you're going to send us tomorrow 50 cases that have been stopped because of these programs, basically. four have been made public, and i think there are two new ones you're talking about today, but i would invite you to explain to us both of those two new cases, and one of them starts with a 215, one of these starts with a 70 it.

i think it's important for you to provide the information about how these perhaps stopped those terrorist attacks. >> i'm going to defer this to get it exactly right. go ahead, shawn. >> as they mentioned previously, khalid uazani out of kansas city that's what i referred to earlier. utilizing 702 authority identified an extremist located in yemen. this extremist was talking with an individual located inside the united states in kansas city, missouri. that individual was identified at khaleed uazani. we went up on electronic

surveillance action identify theed co-conspirators, this was in the initial stages of plotting to bomb the new york stock exchange. we were able to effect their arrest and they were convicted for this terrorist activity. >> just on that plot, it was under the 702, which is targeted against foreigners that some communication from this person in yemen back to the united states, and they turned it over to you. >> that is correct, it has to be a non-u.s. person outside the united states, and then also one of the criteria's linked to terrorism. >> would you say that their intense to blow up the new york

stock exchange was a serious plot? or is this something they dreamed about talking among their buddies? you. >> and what about the other plot? that started with the 215? >> i referred to the plot. it was an investigation after 9/11 that the fbi conducted. we conducted that investigation, and did not find any connection. several years later, under the 215 business record provision, the nsa provided us a telephone number only in san diego that had indirect contact with an extremist outside the united states. we served legal process to identify who was the subscriber to this telephone number. we identified that individual,

we were able to, under further investigation and electronics surveillance that we applied specifically for the u.s. person with the fisa court, we were able to identify coconspirators and were ability to disrupt this terrorist activity. >> i'm sorry. repeat for me again what they were plotting to do? >> it was actually he was providing financial support to an overseas terrorist group that was a designated terrorist group by the united states. >> but there was some connection to suicide bombings that they were talking about, correct? >> not in the example that i'm citing right here. >> i'm sorry. the group in somalia, to which he was financing action that's what they do do in somalia, correct? >> that is correct. as you know, as a part of our classified hearings regarding the american presence in that area of the world. >> okay. thank you. chairman?

>> if i can't, congressman, just hit a couple key points. it's over 50 conveyses. the reason i'm not giving a specific number is we want the rest of the community to actually beef those up and make sure everything we have is exactly right. if somebody said not this one, actually what we're finding out, is there more, you missed these three or four, so those are being added to the packet. on the top of that packet we'll have a summary of a listing of those. i believe those numbers are things that we can make public, that you can use, that we can use. we'll try to give you the numbers that apply to europe as well, as well as those that had a nexus in the united states. the issue in terms of releasing more on the specific overseas cases is it's our concern that some of those, now going into further details of exactly what we did and how we did it, may prevent us from disrupting a future plot. that's something that's work in

progress. our intent is to get that to the committee tomorrow for both the senate and the house. >> great, thank you. ichblts mr. thompson. thank you mr. chairman, thank you all for being here, for your testimony and for your service to our country. mr. lipp, before going to hearing, does or has the fisa court ever rejected a case that's been brought before it? >> i believe the hans to that is yes, but i would defer that to the deputy attorney general. >> it has happened. it's not often. okay. er watching this hearing on capitol hill with security officials discussing the surveillance program, discussing some cases, some specific cases that have been broken up terrorist plots, they say, using this surveillance. we just learned new details

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welcome back, everyone. we are cover a hearing on capitol hill with adjourned alexandre and other security chiefs talking about the surveillance program that's been in the news the last week since one of the biggers national security leaks in history. the minute we get new information, we will go back to the hearing. look at the screen right now. there's already been big news out of the this hearing, plots that this operation helped uncover, they say. wiretaps, the phone records, the e-mails, listening into conversations between the u.s. and yore cease the four plots, we already knew about the plot

to bomb the new york subway system. the plot to bomb the new york stock exchange, i believe that is new. the plot to bomb a danish newspaper, we did already know about that. and finally terrorist activity shortly after 9/11 we had not hard about before. we are monitoring this very closely again we'll go back to it when there's new information. in the meantime i want to bring back in fran townsend action and dana bash on capitol hill, and gloria borger as well. fran, i want to start with the information about these new plots, specifically the new york stock exchange plot. they said they used something called 702 authority to identify a man in kansas city, a man named khaleed huzuani. explain to me the surveillance we believe they used. >> as sean joyce made clear, the 702 authority is something that can only be used against a non-u.s. person operating

outside the united states and involved -- engaged in support or some sort of terrorist activity. the interesting thing here, what we learned from this most recent exchange is they identified an individual in yemen contacting someone in kansas city, missouri. they then used the 7012 authority as a starting point, but the deputy director of the fbi then went on to say they developed additional information, and went to the fisa court and got electronic surveillance. they used the will be trong surveillance to identify co-conspirators who they later lured into the united states, obviously got problem call and proved them beyond a reasonable doubt. they were convicted this a federal court by a jury. the detail there ought to give us some comfort that this 02 though are the that they are talking about was used in a sort of preliminary way to identify people, but the fbi had worked

with the intelligence community and the courts to develop additional information before they used the more expansive authority of the wiretap surveillance. >> they needed to get more authority after they identified him, but it was key in identifying him. another key point is that it involved someone overseas. only because it did involve someone overseas were they using these programs? >> that's exactly right. it's the other example where they talks about the 215 authority where they're able to use it to identify the subscriber of the telephone number in san diego. again, even the 215 authority that they talks about, the business records that we have talked about, that authority, they only use that in a preliminary way to identify as individual, but they have to get additional information to develop enough probable cause to go back to the court and again get some electronics surveillance. that case is less well described. they talk about disruption, but

they don't say exactly what they were able to do ultimately in that case. >> but the plot on the new york stock exchange, they did describe as a very real plot. i want to bring in dana bash right now. it's a very interesting hearing to listen to. you get 9 sense that the members of congress would like to get more information than they currently are getting. mac thornbury was almost, you know, begging for more information at one point. >> that's right. this is being coordinated, just looking down at my blackberry, communicating with people in the room, this is being coordinated on the fly. that begs came after it was pretty clear that the goal of this hearing, and prospective members of congress certainly had not yet been met, and the goal to reassure americans that they are going to get specifics, tangible proof that they were kept safer because of these secret programs. fran just really went into detail about the one that is

kind of most understandable, which was the one to blow up the new york stock exchange, but as fran also said, the one that is a lot more americay about getting information about somebody in somalia action that is the program that people i think are most concerned about, and that has to do with phone records. the other one has to do with the internet, which people are kind of more comfortable with, and most importantly sources here, who have been briefed were concerned about phone records are very comfortable with the internet. that is the one that i think that the burden is on these members of congress and the intelligence committee to form fully explaining and give mohr details about why this is okay to use, and so far it doesn't seem they've been ability to do that. >> he says there are more than 50 cases now. he said that ten of them were

domestically based. gloria. they facts, do you think it's enough to soothe americans, a lot of whom seem uneasy about this? >> i don't think it's enough to soothe americans, but it does kind of give you an idea of the diligence with which they work on these things. i mean, the interesting thing to me about this sort of vague investigation after 9/11, that we talk about, he essentially said the case was closed for several years, and then under section 215 that fran townsend was talking about, the nsa provided the fbi with a telephone number that then allowed them to continue to pursue a case that had been a dead-end, and disrupt the financing from somalia for terrorist activity. so that does sort of give you an idea of the diligence with which

they pursued these cases. but if you're worried about big brother iism, and you're worried about whether the balance is actually balanced, i think four cases for you may not be enough. in a classified setting they're going to hear about 50 cases. some people would say one is enough, and again the american public, while it has a healthy skepticism about this, generally when you look at the numbers, they kind of say, you know what? we think we ought to be doing some of this to protect our security however, there's a huge generation gap here. younger people much more worried about it. older people not so worried about it. >> in the case of the new york stock exchange, they said they lured people to the u.s., they were able to track them, arrest them and stop the plot.

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welcome back, everyone. we are monitoring this hearing on capitol hill. what you are looking at is security officials, including general keith alexandre, they are testifying to a house committee about the surveillance

issues, about the massive leaks over the last week, how they operate and what these surveillance programs have been able to break up. we'll go back to the hearing the second there's any news. in the meantime, there is a lot of other news around the world, starting in boston, where a confessed killer takes the stand once again to testify against whitey bulger, a man he called once hess best friend. on monday john motaranno said it brought his heart when he found out he was an fbi inform ant. bulger is charged with a long and bloody list of climbs involving 19 murders, racketeering and extortion. one footnote to the story. some of our earlier reporting inadvertently misidentified some photos as the mobs terr. cnn does regret that error. the fbi is calling it the best tip yet in the search for

jimmy hoffa. agents have been looking for the former teamster both for nearly 40 years from florida to new jersey, even all the way to japan, but michigan really has always been ground zero in this case, and it is again today. susan candiotti has more. >> reporter: could this be jimmy hoffa's grave? the fbi once again digging for answers, uprooting waist-high grass and weeds on private property in suburban detroit. >> why do we care? i don't know, but we do. >> reporter: this type of tip is more credible. it comes from a retired detroit mob underbecause who himself did time. sources say his dad used to run the show in the motor city. >> if fin would have known, he would have known. >> reporter: whene, an old la coalsa nostra told him about hoffa ace fate. after he was lured to a

restaurant, he ways taken to this property, killed and buried. >> what happened to hoffa was very simple -- he got picked up over there, he was z buried, and witnessed. >> reporter: sources tell cnn the search warrant is several pages long and based on, quote, credible information. >> if it didn't rise to that level, certainly we wouldn't be out here. >> reporter: other searches were duds. last year soil samples were taken from beknead a shed outside detroit, but the tip went nowhere. in 2006, agents dug up a horse farm, but found nothing. in 2004 they tested floorboards for blood. no hoffa. that 2006 search reportedly cost of fbi $225,000 to excavate a horse farm. compared to last year, cnn learned local police only paid $45 to replace a broken padlock.

zerilli's motive is simple. he's writing a book and needs the money. >> find the remains, then i'm in a position to make myself a few dollars. >> susan joins me now from the site of is the search in oakland town-right outside detroit. the former mobs terr isn't the only one talking this tip. you've seen a lot of these searches, we all have. is there nor anticipation this time that this time really it may be it? >> reporter: well, of course, the fib is always very careful not to raise expectations here too much, but clearly this time they are saying this is a source with a lot of credibility. obviously they had to have a good bit of information to be able to -- this is someone that our law enforcement sources say is very connected over the years. in part, he gave them names, names that authorities know. one of the things this man

zerelli wrote about is a manuscript for an upcoming book. i think we drew some quotes out from it. he says of what happened to hoffa that when he was taken here that night, bound and gagged. he said one of the people that night there, picked up a shovel and cracked hoffa over the head. he goes on to say they threw him into a hold and then hit hoffa a few more times and hoffa started to moen. they threw him in the hole and buried him alive. that was it, end of story. the lawyer, john, who represent mr. zerilli, says his client was out here on several occasions, but wouldn't elaborate. obviously. erilli has been talking with the fb. >> i think every time we hear there's another tip. the first inclination is to go here we go again, with you we're just fascinated by it, because it really is still riveting to

so many people. >> reporter: sure, and it goes back decades here. a lot of people have followed the story, not just crime bosses, but others who are really looking for some closure. a lot of onlookers were here this day, but, you know, in the past i've also spoken with, and did again today, jimmy hoffa's daughter, and my colleague poppy harlow also spoke with her this morning, and she told us that she had in fact been notified by the fbi on sunday. she was told that they were going to be coming by today. she said that, of course, she always appreciates the efforts and trying desperately not to get her hopes up, and her family's hopes up too much, because they've been through this, john, so many times. >> you know, i think that is such a good reminder, too. there is a family involved here, real people who did lose a loved one. >> reporter: that's right. >> thank you so much. a suspected bike bomber on the loose. the fbi now trying something new to try to find the suspect.

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the fbi needs yours help. they are looking for a bike bomber. we'll get to that in a second. we've been monitoring capitol hill. we'll get a full report at the top of the hour. if any news breaks we'll go back to that immediately. this investigation in new york into a biskcycle bomber. it happened in 2008. there's a new video to help with the search. what do we know about the suspect and this new video. >> when it comes to the suspect we don't know much and that's why the fbi is making this push.

it went back to gather any images from time square that may yield new clues. the bombing took place in 2008 outside a military recruiting station. the same suspect may be linked to two similar incidents. one blast at the british c consulate in 2005. the person who detonated was riding a bicycle and the devices used were similar. they were made with military grade ammunition. a source says the bomb in time square was stronger than the device detonated during the boston marathon bombings in terms of destructive capability but unlike boston they contained

no shrapnel. the fbi would not comment on whether it was able to obtain any forensic evidence from that bike. >> why now? >> the fbi said it came up on the five year anniversary. the case had gone cold and that's why they are making this push. they are putting up a $65,000 reward. they created a hash tag of bike bomber and are hoping people will send in information. the fbi has been successful on some of these attempts before. when they put out images of whitey bulger that's what helped lead to his capture. >> it didn't seem to be that revealing but you never know what someone may have noticed. thanks so much. we'll be right back.

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were broken up using the surveillance. we'll have a full report at the top of the hour in a few minutes. florida now, the pool of perspective jurors in the george zimmerman trial is creeping closer to the magic number, 40. that's how many people the judge want to make it through the first round of questioning. this morning they were at 32. lawyers were working to find eight more who haven't formed opinions about this case. jean, what have you been hearing so far this morning? >> reporter: good morning. they're on their fourth juror this morning. it's gone pretty smoothly but every story is unique and attorneys trying to read between the lines. being questioned is an african-american man and one thing across the board that jurors know about and have opinions on are the protests and rallies that happened after trayvon martin was shot and the juror that is now being questioned said i know they came to support but i'm not sure that it was necessary at the time. i think if they had stayed where

they were they could have been much more effective because by coming here they increased the emotion and intensity of this. another juror who is five and a half months pregnant made a statement on her questionnaire. the prosecutor had an issue with. someone lost their life and that's sad but somewhere along the way it happens. a lot of questions on that and it wasn't until she was questioned by the defense that she said in my line of work people die all the time. i guess i've become a little hardened to that because i see it constantly. some questions like that and also an east asian man said he stands occuut and he says you h to wait approxima. you don't know the evidence. >> it's so interesting how people relate this to their own lives whether it be the protest or rallies or how they form

their own opinions. there's also been a hearing. the judge has been hearing testimony about the screaming 911 calls. what came of that hearing yesterday? >> reporter: it was a death cry. someone knew they were going to be killed and the question is who was it. was it george zimmerman? was it trayvon martin? they haven't reached a conclusion yet. there's going to be another expert witness to take the stand tomorrow for the prosecution. it's the prosecution that wants expert testimony on this. there are no conclusions though. the experts just tend to think it's trayvon martin because of the high pitched voice and because of some voice samples they have. the defense has credible witnesses including the senior audio engineer from the fbi and other renowned world experts say it's too speck ulativespeculati. this is junk science. >> this hearing still going on. we're at 32.

we need 40 before we can take the next step. when is your best bet on when we may hear opening statements in this trial? >> they're on their fourth juror today. it's going smoothly. i don't see anything that stands out. we don't know if they will proceed but they'll have a full day today and as the judge said at the end of the day yesterday, she wants to get to that 40. then lit will be general questioning. open statement, anybody's guess. end of the week, probably next week. that's reality. >> what's the atmosphere like? there's been so much focus on this trial? >> reporter: when jury selection began it was electric here because there were some people outside expressing their believes, packed courtroom. every day the constant trayvon martin's parents, shelly zim

serman, george zimmerman's wife. >> thank you. "around the world" starts right now. welcome to "around the world." >> as we first reported right here on cnn u.s. intelligence officials are revealing details of terror plots now causing so much controversy. >> more than 50 plots have been disrupted. listen to this. >> in the fall of 2009 nsa intercepted an e-mail from a terrorist located in pakistan. that individual was talking with