this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. three suspects in a hire of accused of keeping a mentally disabled woman and her daughter slaved in an apartment with snakes, dogs and igwanas. should the boy who wore this nra t-shirt go to jail? his father joins me and the government says nsa snooping shopped 50 terror plots. a plot so crazy, robbing celebrities homes, paris hilton

in the chair with me tonight. a mentally disabled woman and her young daughter allegedly health captive for two years in an apartment full of dogs and snakes. prosecutors say they were forced into manuel labor, beaten and given dog food to eat while the animals were given table food. several have been charged and they suspect to arrest a third person. joining me is scott taylor our affiliate woio in cleveland. scott, this is a pretty awful story. tell me what we know. >> reporter: well, right now we know, piers, that back in 2011 it looks like jordy as well as jessica who lived together with their four sons invited this mother who is 28 at the time, now 30 and her daughter into the home. they quickly according to the fbi put them down in a basement, let them sleep on the cement

floor, eventually moved them up into bedrooms and this is similar to the ariel castro situation, if you remember that last month. then they made her basically become a slave, piers. she cooked, cleaned, actually went out in the yard and did yard work, and then eventually let her go out and shop, but they made sure they timed her, i believe, on a stopwatch to come back, never let her take her daughter, either and watched her piers, in the bedrooms upstairs in a video monitor, much like a baby monitor to make as you were -- monitor to make sure he didn't escape and believe it or not, gets more disturbing, i'm being told that jordy and jessica tied up the little girl to make sure she didn't get out and get food or anything to drink. >> absolutely appalling. the situation was only

discovered in october when the woman who we will only at the moment s.e. was arrested for stealing a candy bar and asked to be taken to jail in an attempt to escape captivity. >> reporter: i think you hit the nail on the head. investigators, the fbi believe that's exactly what happened. she eventually told police over time that someone at the house where she was living was being mean to her. then they continued to ask questions, and the flood gates just opened. she said that she was threatened with guns, threatened with attacks of numerous pit bulls in the house. they had 130-pound python there. they had supposedly a poisonous corral snake, try to scar her and her daughter to condition them to stay there and it was truly horrendous, if you believe all of this coming from the mother. >> and the motivation appears to be financial, is that right?

>> reporter: yeah, i think you're right. the fbi says that jessica hunt had all of her government assistant cards, her pin numbers and daniel brown according to documents told the fbi that they called her their bank. in other words, a street lynn go saying they could scam her out of the money, didn't give her very much of her government assistant payments and used the money for themselves. >> scott taylor thank you very much indeed for that report. joining me is the mother of jordy. i'll call her becky. she's joining me by telephone. welcome to you, becky. can you tell me your reaction to this shocking story? >> caller: well, i know, you know, how it was down there because i was there quite a bit. there is so many lies going on and mainly by detective baker here in ashland.

he's just been telling one lie after another, putting his name up in highlights, i guess, because there is never a big case in ashland. he hasn't been a detective very long and -- >> when you say lies, i mean, when you say lies,ry disputing that your son along with the other suspects kept this woman who is, we know, mentally disabled and her child captive for two years? >> caller: yes, that's -- that's wrong. and she's not -- >> what is wrong -- >> caller: she's not mentally disabled. >> what is wrong about it? >> caller: what is -- everything is wrong about it. the girl that is supposedly a victim had went where she wanted to go wherever she wanted to go. i seen her in stores many a times by herself, all the time. it's -- >> the police have come out with a -- the police have come out with extensive and details of

abuse bordering on torture and captivity and made charges to that effect. so are you saying that absolutely none of this is true? >> caller: absolutely none of this is true, no. shannon -- she is -- >> why -- excuse me? no, after you. >> caller: what was that? >> no, you say what you want to say, becky. >> caller: supposedly victim has been over at my house many times for birthday parties, thanksgiving, christmas, you know, there is -- no, none of this happened. >> if none of this happened, why are the police taking this dramatic action of charging your son and his partner and the third person and potentially a fourth with extremely serious offenses? >> caller: because jordy and jessie heard the little girl crying a lot in the bedroom she was in, not basement, she had a bedroom and they would ask her

why the little girl was crying so much and she would make up different excuses. so they did put a monitor in there so they could see what was going on, and they used the cell phones so that they can, you know, record it off the cell phone from the monitor, and they seen her kicking the little girl in the head and they called the police and turned the cell phone over to the police so they could see what she had done to her little girl, and then since the supposedly victim was put in jail for this, she knew she was in a lot of trouble, so she turned the whole story around making them think that jordy and jess had made her do all this and that wasn't true. they turned over the cell phone so they could see what she was doing. >> who was taking her money that she was getting for her disability? >> caller: she was giving them a couple hundred dollars a month

for staying there and she was getting her own food. they weren't being starved. she was going and buying what she wanted from the store. she was even taken to the grocery store to buy what she wanted. >> have you spoken to your son jordy about this since he was charged? >> caller: yes. >> and what does he say? >> caller: he's devastated all this is being said about them. you know, and then they are making it like okay, they have some pit bulls and snakes so they are making them out to be evil because they have that. a lot of people have them. he loves reptiles. he always has since he was a kid. i mean, they have them in zoos and stuff, you know, what -- you know, there is nothing wrong with that -- >> you say -- you have had this woman and her daughter at your house in the last two years several times, is that right? >> caller: yes, yes, i have. >> and she gave no suggestion to

you that she was being held captive or being abused in any way? >> caller: no. >> did you have anyway of -- did you have anyway of proving that she was at your house? >> caller: yes, i do. >> how would you prove it? >> caller: i've got plenty of pictures proving it. >> of this woman in the last two years inside your property? >> caller: yes. >> so you believe that your son and the other suspects who have been charged are being framed and that this woman herself has been guilty of abusing her child, is that your position? >> caller: yes. >> why -- i come back again one more time but why would the police do this? it doesn't make much sense to me that the police would simply believe her word against three other people, if as you say, there has been absolutely no abuse whatsoever? >> caller: well, you know, this

is a little town of ashland, and they do know jordy and they know jess and they are just trying to make a big case out of what shannon did. i mean, shannon already -- the supposedly victim had already admitted to it and they already charged her for it and only gave her 150 days in jail and let her go. and then they are trying to frame jordy and jess for the incident when they proved and shannon already admitted she is doing this to her daughter. >> well, becky, i appreciate you calling in. it's a fascinating story. it's an extraordinary twist if what you say as any credence. we'll go back to the authorities who made these charges against these men and presume the truth will out the further the investigation goes on. thank you for joining me. >> caller: thank you. bye. >> extraordinary tale.

take a look at this, that's 14-year-old jared malcolm wearing an nra t-shirt the same shirt he wore to logan middle school back in april. school officials asked him to change. jared refused and things escalated to the point where police were called. jared was charged with obstructing an officer and could face a year in jail and a fine. joining me is jared's father and jared's lawyer ben white. welcome to you both, gentlemen. this is your son, he's 14. you're both members i believe of the nra and he has worn this t-shirt to school. did you at any point think that this t-shirt would breech any of the school's regulations? >> no, we knew this wouldn't be an issue in southern west virginia where we're a gun culture here. even the kids in november, they

get a two-week vacation because of hunting season and itself. so that sort of thought really doesn't cross anybody's mind, not in this particular region, maybe no some other places but never really crossed our mind here. >> so what was your reaction when he was arrested by police? let's make it clear. he wasn't arrested for wearing the t-shirt, he was arrested because of an altercation with police who was brought to the school because a teacher protested seeing your son wear this shirt i believe on his lunch break. >> yeah, i've come to find out, i was at work when i was informed, and i was -- like i said here, you hear these stories going on and no matter where it happens, it's always a shame that it happens but here to have that happen was a shock. like i said, i was at work. i got the phone call, and i made it to the station, and that's

pretty much where i linked up with him and my wife. >> let's play a clip from an interview your son gave. this is just a brief summery of what he said. >> there's nothing wrong with it, and it doesn't violate the policy in any way, and things got out of hand. educational process is not lunchtime in my opinion, and if anyone disturbed it, it was definitely the educator and not me. >> that was jared there. he's 14. ben white, you're the attorney for the family. a fascinating case. people know my view about gun control but that doesn't extend to a blanket hatred of all things nra, i have a problem with leadership and the red trick they use and exploded and i know you're both aware of my position on that but you still come on the show because my view about this is he's entitled to freedom of expression, freedom of speech. if he wants to wear a t-shirt supporting he's a member of a

legal organization, i don't have a problem with that. why, ben white, do you think the school or does the school -- interesting question, is it just a rogue teacher or does the school have a real problem? because he went back and wore it again after his suspension ended. >> absolutely he wore the shirt again and piers, 100 additional students wore that same shirt throughout the entire school system, grade school, middle school and various high schools in the county without incident. did meet with the local attorney for the school bored and we went through the policy ourselves with her, and they concluded that there wasn't an issue with the policy. the principal actually went through the policy with jared after he was physically brought to the principal's office and she learned that there wasn't anything wrong with that shirt under the current policy. the teacher just clearly didn't understand the policy and i've advocated through the bored through the attorney the teaches that enforce the rules should know the rules and read the rules and understand what they

are trying to enforce on these little kids. these are 5th, 6th, 7th and eighth-graders -- >> and i've read the -- i've read the policy quite carefully. there is one reference to not wearing anything which has imagery of violence and you could argue a gun in itself is always an image of potential violence. you could take that position. let me ask you -- >> you could take that. i mean, my view is not. i mean, this was clearly a hunting rifle and it was an nra branded t-shirt. jared is an avid hunter and so is his father. >> you're missing my point -- >> i'm -- >> i wasn't disputing the fact it may be for hunting but hunting is a violent sport. a gun that goes off is a violent thing and i suppose you could argue if you play devil's advocate here the fact the school had a policy of no

violent imagery could extend to a gun used for hunting. >> it could but it doesn't. we got the input from everybody from the principal up to their attorney and it doesn't in this case, piers. i mean, we could argue that. we could argue a lot of things but it clearly doesn't and the proof in the pudding per se is when 100 other students wore the same shirt there was no incident. in fact, my 6-year-old wore the same shirt kind of as a joke and there was no incident anywhere, not even with the little kids, high school kids. if it violated the policy, we would have heard of that clearly and we haven't. >> okay. adam, final question for you, having said that i respect the right of nra members including your son to wear t-shirts to support the organization that they are a legal member of and i do, there is a different point, which is, i guess, a more sensitive point which is in light of the fact of the massacre at sandy hook.

sit really judicious for any school child to go to school wearing any kind of t-shirt which has any kind of gun imagery. would it not be best to have the debate about gun control and guns and nra out of school classrooms and school playgrounds? >> well, you may have an argument there in certain places, piers. but again, back in the particular area that we have, the imagery of firearm social security-firearms is not menacing. firearms aren't an evil thing because it's a world war i doe boy on an '03 springfield rifle that is shown quite proudly in front of the school and additionally, our own state flag has two rifles on it, as well. the firearm is merely an implement. it's a tool -- how it is used, you know, perceives is it a

weapon or implement to feed your family? that's done on an individual basis. these acts are done by people that removes the human element out of it. they want to blame an object instead of put in personal human accountability in evening. >> well, you make some points there. i don't agree with all of them but i respect the fact you have come on the show knowing my position on these things and an interesting argument. to you alan and ben white, thank you both very much. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. we come back, the government says more than 50 terror plots have been foiled by surveillance. i'll talk to daniel ellsberg. we know it's your videoconference of the day.

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>> i believe it has, and i believe it will hurt us and our allies. >> questioning the head of the nsa earlier today. the big question, have the surveillance leaks hurt america? joining me is the man that broke the story glenn greenwald and the man that changed history daniel ellsberg. welcome to both of you. the head of the nsa today general keith alexander said this leak will help enemies and hurt america. what is your take? >> that's what the government says in every case when the government wants to hide it. they said when daniel ellsberg consider add high row, my personal political hero leaked the papers and said it when george bush's secret black sites were exposed and legal eavesdropping was exposed.

it's a basic political there row that people that rule in power like to keep those they rule in fear so people will submit to whatever they want to do. there is zero evidence as people on the intelligence committee said this program of collecting everybody's phone records as opposed to just terrorists to keep them safe is reciting from the same handbook they use. >> when they say that more than 50 plots globally have been foiled as a direct result of the surveillance, are they lying? >> no, it's not that they are lying. it's misleading. when the bush administration got caught spying and ease dropping on americans without warrants they said this program is necessary because it will stop terrorist plots. if you compiled with the laws you could stop the same terrorist plots. that program lead to the

disruption of plots doesn't prove if they directed at only people involved in terrorism, there is lots of reason to believe if the nsa is collecting millions and millions of phone records and telephones calls as they are it makes it more difficult for them to stop terrorist plots because they are collecting so much stuff they don't even know what they have. >> daniel ellsberg, i'm slightly torn. my reaction, i interviewed glen the day after this broke was one of pretty hefty shock and outrage at the scale of what was going on. at the same time i do think any government in america has got to be doing a lot of this kind of stuff to fight terrorism. as a man that broke the pentagon papers, where is the line? where do we draw the line going

forward? because the key question now is what is the line and who draws it? >> i had clearances for communications intelligence for years in the government. when i revealed the top secret pentagon papers, i put out no communications intelligence because i really knew of none and had access to it in those years. i had none at that time that was abusive as what we just learned now that i felt the public need to know outweighed the need for secret. i believe there is and was a reason for communication intelligence and much of it has to be kept secret. what is clear here as you say you were shocked and outraged, i presume not at the discovery of communications intercepts, you must have known that but done on such a scale on americans. as they have been saying for some years, especially the last year they felt americans would be stunned if they learned what whieden and udal knew which is

this is unconstitutional against the fourth amendment. the question is whether that dragment indiscriminate sweeping up about hundreds of millions of americans, actually not just millions, is on it's face a correct violation of the fourth amendment, which was the thing that sparked the american revolution. general warrants like that to just poke around in the private affairs of then american citizens and that was regarded as extremely intrusive. that's why the revolution was fought and the fourth amendment put in place.against unconstitu some lawyers agree, especially those working for the government particularly but, you know,

president obama says he welcomes a debate on whether this is necessary or how much has come out, and he should thank edward jay snowden for that because without his release two weeks ago or so, this debate which is happening now, would not be happening. why this was ever so secret is really something worthy of examination. certainly -- >> let me ask you -- >> to the terrorist. >> let me ask you one of the criticisms about edward snowden is he fled america and went to hong kong. you didn't. you stayed in america and in the end the charges against you did not lead to a prosecution. should he have stayed -- >> yeah -- >> pardon me. of course, i'm sorry, i don't know how old you are but i have to say i did face prosecution. i was facing 12 felony -- >> you weren't -- but the charges were dropped, right? >> they were dropped because the

president was among other things conducting warrant less wiretapping and lying about it, something that figured in his impeachment hearings that led to his resignation. he sent people in my doctor's office to blackmail me into silence and sent people to incapacitate me completely. somebody nobody claimed the president had power to do until president obama -- >> so should snowden -- >> anywhere in the world. >> should edward -- >> should he have stay in this country? >> yeah. >> no, i think he benefitted very much -- he's benefitted and caused this deband i he some real change and real oversight. the oversight system in both congress and the judiciary has been shown to be by his own revelations totally broken, but if he had stay in this country, he would be where bradley manning has been for the last

three years. at last he's on trial. he spent ten and a half months in solitary. edward snowden would be in that same cell or some other cell like it not communicating. i think he was wise to tell us this information from outside the country. it's a different country from when i released this 40 years ago. then i was out on bail and out on a 50 thousand-dollar bond. i was able to explain what i had done and the crimes revealed in that during. >> okay. >> as a matter of fact, the things done against me to keep me silent were illegal. now they are made legal but that doesn't mean they are made constitutional. they were unconstitutional -- >> let me bring -- >> they think now. >> let me bring in glen. one point, again, before i go to something else. one point which i saw in the q

and a with edward snowden and you were involved in that. fascinating exchange of questions and answers. but one of them was really it comes down to trust, doesn't it? the irs scandal, people said they wouldn't do that would that? they don't have the authority but as we saw with the irs people do do that in the food chain and do abuse that. the government is saying we don't have authority to misuse this but that doesn't mean people won't resort to human nature and abuse it and one thing that struck me in the q and a where you were asked about the ability of people who have the data from the met to data sweeping up, can they use that to actually open and read e-mails and so on? you seem to give a clear impression to me as a reader that they could do that if they wanted to. >> yeah, piers, i think this is a crucial point. we can sit around and have abstract debates about political theory and what is constitutional but we have a

history when we did allow the government to spy on american citizens without oversight and someone looking over the shoulder with real force, we had decades of abuse. martin luther king was surveilled and others to try to find out indiscretions in their private life and blackmail them. the nsa and "the washington post" reported they are collecting and storing every day 1.7 million e-mails and telephone calls by and among americans. so even though you have these legal structures in place that are nice that say you can't target americans without a warrant. the fact that any analyst can invade those conversations has the ability to do so and no oversight that takes place in almost complete secret say is a reason why it's so menacing and needs to be dragged into the spotlight.

a sad and tragic spotlight that michael hastings that reported over the last few years, famed for his rolling stone interview with general mccrystal that caused him to resign. he was tragically killed in a road accident this morning here in los angeles. i know that you knew him. what is your reaction to his tragic death? >> are you speaking to me? >> it's horrible. it's hard to process the fact michael is gone. he was a friend of mine and more importantly than that, he was one of the nation's journalist that was relentless. he was about defying convention and getting to the truth and being to those in power. it's a tremendous loss to journalism. he was really one of a kind and embodied that we're really sorry lacking in this country.

>> i'm very really sorry -- >> i'm sorry. >> i was very -- i say i was on this show with larry king with michael hastings and had the -- remotely and had the opportunity to tell him how much i admired his brave investigative reporting. that's a real loss because there aren't that many investigator reporters and of course what the obama administration is doing right now is trying to shut off the sources and nsa has clearly already shown the willingness and capability to try to do that with james rosen of fox news and others. hastings was somebody who went right into the field and saw -- talked to people directly and at great risk to his own life in afghanistan and iraq and places like that. but when people try to use the phone now or e-mail or whatever to be sources to news men, they

are being told by this very debate that the nsa not only has capability to listen to the news sources and all of the journalists and all congresspersons and all judges and as you say tea party people, centers of any kind, that is a capability that senator frank church said terrified him. he said was a bridge we must never cross to have nsa turn it's capabilities not which are directed foreigners, turning them to the american people. he said that is an abyss from no return -- >> daniel, i'm going to have to go to -- we have to go to a break i'm afraid. it's been great to talk to you and glenn greenwald. thank you very much indeed for joining us. i'm sure we'll talk again. thank you very much. my condolences go to michael hastings family. he was a regular on this show and missed by us and cnn and many of these organizations. he was a terrific provocative journalist that will be really, really missed.

when we come back, the true life hollywood story it had to become a movie. the star struck teens that broke into homes of celebrities, paris hilton, she's in the chair. that's next.

paris hilton is hosting a party in vegas tonight. >> where does she live? can we find a way in? let's go to paris'. i want to rob. oh, my god. >> cute dress. did you get a new dress? >> uh-huh. >> a clip from "bling ring" the hot new summer film that tells a real-life story of a group of teeners that stole from celebrities, including paris. how the devil are you? >> good to see you again. >> you look splendid. >> i appreciate that. thank you. >> what is your reaction to the bling ring? the gang of weirdos that wanted to be you and celebrities, breaking into your home and trying to be you.

>> it's disgusting and when i watched the movie was horrified and disgusted what they did to me. so wrong and upsetting. it's a modern celebrity curse because they were tracking you down through the internet, through twitter, facebook, any postings you put that you may be away and they could come and do their thing. did that make you change the way you behave on twitter and so on? >> definitely. this could not have happened five or ten years ago. there wasn't twitter or facebook so now days people know where you are so i'm careful on that and putting the most extensive security system in my house, so that can't happen again. >> they took your dog, didn't they. >> they tried to take my dog, which thank god they didn't. >> sophia a departure. people are raving about it. you went to the premiere and she described you as warm. how did you find her? >> i love sofia.

she's such a talented director and there is no way i would be participant of this unless she was involved. that's the only way i was involved. >> your life changed a bit. you ditched the old paparazzi blonde girl going to party image and you're a business girl. 17 product lines, motorcycles, handbags, nails, eyelashes, a hotel chain, not hilton, yours. >> yes. >> this is big business. >> yeah, very exciting. i worked very hard so i'm very proud of what i've created. >> can you horrify my viewers and tell them how much the last fragrance dazzle took in sales. >> over 1.5 billion so far. >> $1.5 billion. so you are absolutely stinking rich. >> i feel very proud. i've worked very hard for this, so it's just feels so exciting to have -- to hear those numbers.

>> it's huge. you're not married yet, are you? >> no. >> well you are married, actually. let's play a clip and remind viewers the fact that you are actually married. ♪ >> you, piers morgan take paris hilton to be your wedded wife. >> i do. >> and do you paris hilton take piers morgan to be your loftily wedded husband. >> i do. >> by the powers invested in me by the laws of this state i pronounce you husband and wife. piers, you may kiss your wife. >> i remember, piers, what happens in vegas -- >> you know, i could never get bored of watching that. we seem so right together. >> we do. the most romantic day of my life. >> you have this boyfriend, a fashion model called river. he's 21. in england we call them toy boys but out here you call them boy toys, is that right? >> i call him my man. >> is he a man yet?

>> yes, he's very mature. >> is he aware i exist as your only husband to date? >> he's very aware of that. >> how is he dealing of that? >> of course, he's a little jealous of you. >> do you think you may see wedding bells with river? >> we just celebrated our one-year anniversary and i've never been happier. he's so loyal and sweet and has such a big heart and makes me feel so safe and i love him so much so we'll see what happens. >> did we sign a prenup. i don't remember. >> no, we didn't. >> i want part of that $1.5 billion-dollar pie. >> i look forward to see bling ring. >> it's amazing. paris hilton, a woman of many talents. bling ring opens nationwide in theaters june 21st and check out parishiltonentertainment.com. from the bring ring to breaking the news where we break stories behind the headlines. tonight the president's plummeting approval ratings and

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the second term slum the president's approval ratings are dropping with the lowest numbers in a year and a half and the ad mission strain isn't helping. can we turn things around. van jones, rebuild the dream and abby, host of half post life and

the senior west coast editor from vanity fair magazine. welcome to all of you. president obama you said he's a bit of a whack, 17% drop in approval of those aged under 30. what the hell is going on? >> you know, that's bad news for him. to give him his due he's probably the most popular politician among young people here and around the world. this is very, very bad news and not just about the nsa stuff. these young people elected this president, they reelected him and came out in big numbers. where is the agenda for young people in washington d.c.? they have a student debt crisis like you wouldn't belief. where is the bill for student debt. 25% of young people unemployed. where is the job bill? where is the client bill? there where is there anything to help them and the backdrop and their hero, their president may be spying on them, i think you see a dramatic drop. not just about the nsa, i think you have a whole generation of young people who are saying look, we did what you told us to

do, we went to college, we voted and are in worse shape than our parents and older siblings -- >> okay. >> and help is not on the way. >> let's go to a young person, abby huntsman. welcome back. what is your view? did you trust president obama, all this stuff recently seems to be nibbling away at the fact he was mr. transparent and now he's mr. sneaky? >> look, i mean the minute you are mentioning in the same sentence as dick cheney when your campaign was hope and change, i think you're in a problematic position and the word trust describes where he is now. it's the lack on trust. what are we looking for in a president? in a time of scandal you want transparency and leadership and you want that very quickly. we haven't seen that here. what is so appealing about president obama is he represented this outside of washington figure that he could come in and do things differently, and what we're seeing is politics as usual and the problem is the public has dictated the narrative and he's

fallen behind and ultimately, you lose the people's trust and that's very problematic. >> christi smith, we're here in hollywood. has he lost the people that put the money up and backed him? >> i don't think so. i don't think he's lost any people. i think it was interesting he chose to go on charlie rose and take him head on and discuss a variety of subjects and that's part of what abby speaks to creating some type of transparency. what i find interesting in this post 9/11 culture we live in and young people and privacy, they have no privacy, how are they surprised -- >> they want the right to invade their own privacy. i do think that people do assume that our e-mails and phone calls are fair game. >> let's take a break and come

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abby huntsman, is there something about the english accent that makes you americans lose your marbles? they act as though they can't understand a thing he was saying because he was speaking english. >> the fact that that marriage lasted 14 months is the most shocking of all. we found out that he divorced her via text message, apparently they did that in europe is. that more common in europe than it is here, piers? >> this is a revelation that he divorced katy perry by text message. interestingly, when i interviewed russell last week, there was a bit we didn't air. i met katy perry at a party and she described him in a very unusual way and this is what i told russell. i met her at a party and she was very nice but did call you rasputin.

>> the mad russian monk whose influence over the royal family brought about the revolution in russia. >> why would she use that analogy? >> i don't know. rasputin, he was a powerful bloke, wasn't he? i like rasputin. >> is he the modern day rasputin? >> i love russell brand. he's hilarious. watching that morning joe, that's reality television. he's constantly thinking on his feet and very funny. it reminded me long ago when sylvester stallone sent his long-term girlfriend a breakup via fedex. maybe they hadn't talked to each other, who knows what the circumstances are? it seems everyone is doing everything via text. >> can you ever imagine being in the position where you would

divorce someone by text message? >> people do a lot of stuff by texting i can't imagine. >> piers, there's still people that don't know how to text today. >> really? >> there are some people, it's interesting that the technological advancements have done so many great things, but we've lost ways to communicate. >> my sons from father's day were tweeting me from their seats from the next seat. nice to have you back. thank you all very much indeed. that's all for us tonight. john king is in for anderson cooper and starts in just a few minutes. this day calls you.

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