tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 19, 2013 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
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>> born and so true to that. just the horrible, horrible news that has unfortunately turned out to be true. we hoped we didn't have that for you tonight but we did. thank you very much for watching our breaking news coverage of james gandolfini, sudden death of a heart attack continues now of a heart attack continues now with ac 360 -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com james gandolfini, who brought the best known fiction gangster to life has died. he was in roam me in vacation. gandolfini, we'll talk to the people that knew him around the state and around the world. let's begin the discussion with larry king who joins us by phone tonight, bonnie fuller and our chief medical correspondent dr.
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s sanj sanjaygupta. what would you questions be? >> clearly, this is young to have a heart attack even when you look at, you know, any preexisting health conditions. average age of someone having a first heart attack if this is what we're talking about is usually in the mid 60s. john as you suggest it's important here, there is very limited information that we know and so i think the medical personnel, the people figuring this out on the ground there will want to know are there any other potential risk factors here? if this was, in fact, heart disease, heart attacks typically cause something known as a cart yak arrest. the heart attack itself is caused because there is not enough blood flow to the heart but what can cause death is the heart as a result of that goes into abnormal rhythms but other
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things can cause abnormal rhythms as well. did he have a prekprisiexisting condition he didn't know about? was there medications? was there a stroke involved? could that have been because of poor blood flow to the brain and the problem with the heart. there is a lot of things that we still, as you're suggesting john, we need to figure out but this is young for really a first-time heart attack, certainly a first-time stroke and a lot of questions still to be answered. >> dr. gupta stay with us. larry king joins us. larry king, 51 years old, months short of 52. he had many roles but became a super star in the sparanos. you sat across the table from him many times, appeared very much to love life. >> he sure was, john. he was a great guy. a little ominous -- i'm in vegas and the last time i saw mr.
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gandolfini was in vegas. he was a great fan of muhammad ali, a man next to the table bid on this cruise $250,000 and invited games to go with him and he said of course, i'll go. he was lively. very hard to hear. i had my heart attack when i was 53. heart attacks can occur in your 50s, and he did, sonjay, he loved his food and he was not -- he didn't push back from the table. >> larry, when he went from being a very good charter to a super star as tony sparano, what did that mean to him? >> he was very appreciative but
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he always remained, john, a good actor. he recreated the role in hollywood, a charter play, funny play. he loved comediecomedies. he was classic charter actor thrown into stardom in the role unbelievable that he create -- he was so tony saprono. i mean, when you see someone embrace a role like that, he was tony say brparansparano. it's rare a charter actor becomes a major star but it happened to him. he handled it so well, john. if you would have known him, you would have liked him very much. if he was on the show with you tonight, he would go have a pizza with you after the show. >> he was the mayor in new york city and the defense secretary in zero dark 30. when you're a charter actor and you've done a number of different things broadway, the big screen, television, you do
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become defined, known famous for one role. that's a great blessing and is it sometimes also a frustration? >> correct, because it hampers with other roles. i asked him do you think there are roles you didn't get because of tony saprono? he said probably true, probably but was saying -- no, he can't do that because they will see him and think tony sparano. sometime when is you stamp a role it might affect you in other roles. he was a broadway actors first and i think he liked that the best and he preferred and always going to the theater for the good actors and he was certainly that. i'm really shocked, aren't you? >> i am shocked. it's sad news tonight as we try to digest it. christi smith is helping us and a vanity fair west coast editor. you met him early in his career. give us reflections. >> i did and his point about broadway, i remember when he
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used to come to l.a. and he would -- we had a mutual friend and he would stay at my apartment when he was auditioning for pilots and when he was on streets -- when he started streetcar name desire, i remember that very well with high friend, they played the neighbor couple upstairs with aleck baldwin and jessica lang and he definitely loved theater. he was a brilliant actor and of course, the sparanos which hit the cultural sweet spot of everybody for over a decade, that charter is legendary and vanity fair, certainly we covered it and tony sparano is it's own -- i don't think you can think of a more iconic charter than that one. >> you say you recall him staying at your apartment early on. >> yeah. >> any indications of any health issues that we didn't know about but he did? >> you know, i never did. at that point he was a really smart guy. he was fun. he -- he had a certain kind of
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natural sex appeal for a guy that wasn't a traditional leading man, and no, not at all. i mean, later in life he was heavier. i don't know if that played a part. it's so sad, so, so, sad. >> also -- >> a father. it's just terrible. >> i'm sorry, please stay with us. matthew is also with us. he directed james gandolfini. what was he like to work with from beginning to end in a big project like that? >> well, he was -- it was a prif lidge to work with him. he was terrified about coming back to broadway in a play like that and repeatedly would say he wouldn't be as good as the other people in the cast and that he was going to let them down, and -- you know, the irony of course, he was perfect in that role and that sort of extreme
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sensitivity and very high standards that he had of himself. he was so brutal on himself that made him such on outstanding actor and really one of the great actors. i was thinking just the other day of more work that i would like to do with him, direct him. but he really did appreciate, i think, being part of that broadway scene again. i remember him coming in one day after we opened the show and a big success in it and started to enjoy it. having traveled from sheer terror, panic to actually beginning to enjoy it and he said you know, i was at a restaurant last night and someone called across me and said hey, jim, and he said that's the first time in years anybody called me by my name. they usually say hey, tony and i feel like being on broadway has given me the whole side of myself back again. he was proud to be the part of the acting community again, i
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think. >> and for our viewers who might only know him as tony sparano. tell us about the role in god of carnage. >> very big bear like personality. he was kind of a, you know -- well we would say a low, middle class, working class background charter, and blue collar, somebody who was married, a deep-thinking socially aware life and it's a story about that family and friends of theirs getting into a fight and how the parents tried to resolve it in the most adult way as possible. they would all degenerate into children skrauquabbling, debati. it was great to see this huge man, very, very strong man
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breaking down, you know, in the role, shouting, yelling, degenerating as all the people in that play do. he was just so good at the emotions in that, very passionate man and very, very tend ehrmann. you know, we went through -- we went on the journey together, he and i and the rest of the cast during that play, and i -- you know, i really loved him and admired him a great deal. it's a real shock today. >> did he talk at all -- you mentioned the sensitivity required in this role. he was a very cut-throat killer as tony sparano. did he think at all that maybe the audience won't find me credible. the audience will have trouble digesting me in a different role? well, i think he came in with expectations of playing in a certain way that wasn't maybe too far away from tony sparano,
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and maybe that had become his comfort zone, his comfort zone possibly. but each day in rehearsals i would implicate to him he was in the area more out of control, more wonderful and more child-like and he would chuckle. he said, you really want me to do that? he would chuckle. he had great comic instincts but he realized that the audience would get a kick, i think, out of seeing him do these other things and showing that other side, but it was -- he didn't find it easy to get there, and so it was a real act of courage. i can't emphasize that enough. he -- he pleaded with me on one occasion to be allowed to leave the show when we were still in rehearsals and he thought he wouldn't be able to just live up
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to the rest of the company, and i hope he wouldn't mind me sharing that. it was a private thing at the time but it was a good indication of the courage that he -- that he showed and all of these things, the sensitivity, passion, courage, the brutal self-criticism were all great ingredients for being the great actor he was. >> it speaks volumes to his dedication to his craft. matthew, let me ask you this and stay with us as we continue the conversation. it's the stamina required for theater is demanding. it's quite the haul for preproduction, production. any indications he had any health issues at all? >> you know, there was talk that he had health issues in the past, and i think that was just common knowledge, and he was as clean as a whistle for us and
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incredibly dedicated, rigorous, and yeah, yeah, as was required, he behaved and looked like an athlete doing the show on broadway. it was a long run and continued to do it. he came back for a second run on broadway and then a third run over in l.a. and he was in good shape. it was -- you're right, it's strenuous, eight shows a week particularly strenuous show. no, this is -- i would say he was clearly a big guy but when he was going it, he was a healthy guy. >> if you're just joining us, sad news, james gandolfini died of reports of a heart attack, some say a stroke. he was on vacation in rome. we're trying to get the exact
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get all the facts at: barackobama.com/healthcare i don't even know why i come here. >> do you think it would help if you went someplace so you could rest up awhile? >> you mean like vegas? >> no, not vegas. someplace where you can be looked after. >> like a hospital with the padded rooms and straight jackets? >> no, no straight jackets, a residential treatment center. >> you got any idea if certain people found out i checked into -- >> breaking news, sad news for
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friends and fans alike, actor james gandolfini has died in rome apparently of a heart attack. he was 51. reaction from fpeople on twitte. what a great loss, james gandolfini, unbelievably sad news and james gandolfini was a lovely man and huge talent. rip. rest in peace. we're back with sanjay gupta and the director of god on carnage on broadway. we're in the early stages here so we need to be careful. 51 years old, three months short of 52nd birthday. he looked over weight, perhaps the technical definition of obese. what is your technical definition of this? >> you certainly want to know about any existing health conditions he had. you're hearing some of that from the people that knew him best,
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also his family history i mentioned earlier. we were talking with larry king the average age for someone having a heart attack is typically in the mid 60s and certainly some of these risk factors we're talking about whether it be his weight alone, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, was he a smoker? had he used any drugs currently or in the past? could put that rate of first heart attack a little earlier in life. so, you know, you -- about 10% of people who have first heart attacks are having them before age 45 while the vast majority do occur in the 60s that there are risk factors to move that up. in the united states depending which state you live, if someone dies unexpectedly, unusual, suspiciously in ma m cases the medical examiner may be involved to try to get a better answer as to what exactly happened here by doing an examinationment i don't know what happens in italy, specifically but that's
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something else i would want to know and the medical personnel on the ground i'm sure are trying to figure that out as we speak, john. >> matthew, i know we got to lose you soon. the work in the theater, we were talking about concerns. what was your take on his physical health, physical stami stamina? >> no, i have nothing to say other than he did a very, very strenuous job, rigorously, with great self-control and during the months he was involved with us, other than, you know, other than the -- just the -- the anxiety that he was battling when we were -- before we opened as a show, which is something that consumed him and i was -- and that's not uncommon and i was happy to walk with him through that process, and, no, he was -- he was -- he did -- he
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did really well and seemed to be healthy. you know, i mean, like i say, this is a big guy in a very strenuous production and running around, leaping around and fights and falling over furniture. so at that stage, there were no alarm bells i would say at all. >> you become a family in a pr p -- production like that. tell us something about james gandolfini, perhaps people don't get to see about him as a person. >> just to say he was extremely gentle, tender, soft-hearted, vaughnble, kind, yes, he was very funny and shocking sometimes and explosive. this is not -- this is not a negative for me. i love passionate people and i
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love people with very high standards, and, you know, we would be rehearsing or we're in rehearsals as you know is a time when everybody gets everything wrong over and over again and you work out together how you get it right. he would sometimes, you know, beat the table just because -- [ laughter ] just because he got a line wrong. this is what we're here for this is fine, and i love that. you know, people said to me before, you know, he's going to be a big personality and you got to be -- people always talk at directors you have to be careful how these people, high profiles, none of that. he -- he was -- he was a big personality and he was a humble and a gentle, tender man with great talent. i hope you can hear -- i've got -- i had such genuine
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fondness for him as a person. everything about him, his own struggles with his own -- whatever they were demons in his life to do with his high standards and anxiety and his passion to get things right and all of that stuff. that's normal for a performer and performer of his caliber and performer of his profile. stuff he dealt with great rigger, high standards, dignity. yeah, i love him. >> matthew directed james gandolfini on god of carnage on broadway. we appreciate that information on his life and work. this is sad and shocking news tonight. john, when you think of james gandolfini and the full variety of his work, not just tony s
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soprano? whato you think. >> he had a good touch with comma did and different roles and i saw him in god of carnage in los angeles. he really was an act tomorrow of many talents. >> one of the things perhaps many people don't know is his love of the american military and veterans. he produced a documentary for e hbo of troops going back to wars and ptsd. was that something that anyone in the conversation, john was with us and chris was with us, any idea how he came to that affinity, his affection to support that cause? >> i think that was just something that he was passionate about for a long time. i mean, to be definitely clear, i mean, he was not tony soprano in real life. he was a person interested in the world, and i think that was a cause near and dear to him.
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>> chrkrista smith, you said yo knew him early. how did things change? >> the experience i knew with him is he's a very, very loyal guy. he had the same amount of friends he had with him when he was famous. he didn't change. he didn't suddenly move on to a different world. he kept the same friends and family. he is the hero of everyone's reflections. he was definitely an actor's actor and every time i'm interviewing actors or talking about other actors, he was always mentioned. people had a tremendous respect for him, for his -- just his sheer talent, also his big personality and gentleness and humor. he was very, very well liked. >> with us is malana with the
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new york times who profiled him in 2010. when surprised you? you can look at the body of work, you can watch the television shows, watch all the sopranos you want, what do you say? >> he was quite funny and very dry and he didn't mind talking about his work, but he didn't want to do it in the hollywood fashion sometimes people are used to. he wanted to just have a conversation. he was interested in your honest opinion about things and you can face giving him the honest opinion. he would listen it. >> some people in the business like to be treated as if they are extra special. how about jim? >> he -- he didn't -- he didn't strike me as somebody who wanted a lot of extra attention. he didn't -- he told me he didn't think about playing tony soprano. what he was known for and he
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would walk down the street and people would shout that at him. he disappeared into his role and chose roles you wouldn't expect for somebody with his past, with his career, with his physical attributes. he really went for softies sometimes. >> was he worried -- i don't know if that's the right word. was he concerned if he would be over defined by tony soprano? >> i think he liked giving people a different take on him. he did a lot of indy movies, he did broadway. he told me he loved dumb comma dids, he called them stupid com comcome comedy that you might catch on cable. he wasn't worrying about being type-cast, no. >> and he was the defense secretary in zero dark 30, an interesting role for somebody who is best known to the american people as a mobster. >> he had a lot of interaction with the military, did stuff
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with the troofs and did documentaries for hbo about people in combat and that's something i think he was proud of. >> you know, where that came from? where that passion came from? you see a lot of people go on one trip for the uso or two trips and put out a new film and do public relation appearances, b but this was something clearly he viewed as a cause. >> he viewed the troops abroad having a connection to the sparan sparanos. that's what he started going over and then hbo came to him with ideas about doing documentaries and he started doing it and didn't stop. even when he played in zero dark 30 he, of course, interacted with those guys a bit and i remember at one of the many awards shows that we attended together, he made a joke how he apologized for not -- for not doing him right for -- he said he had a bad wig in the movie. >> a bad wig in the movie.
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a common theme from everyone we've spoken to about this sad news, that's how hard he worked and dedicated to his craft. any indication when you did the profile in 2010 of any health issues? >> no, i wouldn't say so. i mean, everybody who knew him, you could see what he was. he was a big guy. he didn't hide that. there is no way to hide that. i think we had lunch and i think he ate a salad. he was not somebody who gave any indication he was concerned about his health, no. >> where did he see his career going? we talked sometimes frustrating for an actor who wants to have diversity, who enjoys the stage of the theater, who wants to be on the big screen and likes to do funny films, stupid comedies or indy movies but the mass appeal, the mass of the audience out there thinks of him as tony soprano. where do you see him going? >> i didn't have a sense he was dissatisfied. he was certainly well beyond the moment when he had to read for
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anything. he was getting sent scripts. you would imagine he had choices in the matter and choosing roles that were indies that he played a softer charter or, you know, doing eight shows a week on broadway is not an easy thing. you can see he was interested in stretching as a performer and his co-stars and colleagues, writers, directors i know had nothing but praise for his work ethic. >> any sense of who he had mi admired in the business? >> when i talked to him, he just done a movie with christian steward and said he was interested in working with her not because of twilight which he said he never seen but an earlier movie into the wild. so he was looking at those things and he had this dedication. he was interested in the movie because it was made by jake scott, who was tony scott who gave him his first role and dedicateed to that relationship.
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you know, he wanted to pursue that. i'm sure he had no shortage of opportunity. >> appreciate your insights. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you for helping us understand the gravity of this. actor james gandolfini 51 years old dying on vacation in italy. hey. >> hey. ♪ ♪ >> what looks good tonight? >> i don't know. la's known definitely for its traffic,
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falling into pieces into the ocean killing everyone on board and prompting perhaps the most startling investigation anyone had seen. among other thing, investigators reassemble the aircraft to better determine how it came apart. it still exists in a hanger in virginia and some making a documentary say the official thou theory blaming the fuel tank is wrong and not only that claim in the words of the promotional mattel yell that the investigation is undermined that have solid evidence the explosion came from outside the 747 and petitioned the transportation safety board to open the investigation. first, though, the background from 360's gary tuckman. >> reporter: it was a hot summer night in 1996. >> we just saw an explosion out here. it just went down.
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in the water. >> there was no saving anyone. >> it just blew up in the air and we saw two firefighters go down to the water. >> reporter: family members, witnesses in utter shock. twa flight 800 had just taken off minutes earlier from jfk on it's way to paris and crashed in the atlantic. all 230 people aboard dead. the investigation as to why the plane went down questioned the nation. terrorism? the suspicion of terror was heightened by the fact this disaster happened only three years after the first terror attack on the world trade center. jim was one of the men in charge of the investigation. he was ahead of the new york city field office of the fbi. >> we talked about the possibility of a missile taking down the airplane. the first time i believe we ever said that in law enforcement in the united states. >> reporter: the origin of the missile theory was sustained by
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eyewitnesss. she was with her baby at the time outside overlooking the water. >> it looked like a red dot that went up and didn't leave a tail behind. >> reporter: she drew a sketch for the fbi and for me. >> the red dot went up like this curved, came to a point where i thought little fireworks was going to come down or it would just fade and be a flair and then like big, big -- these would be thick streams of fire coming down. >> reporter: another witness was a man named mike wire who said he saw a flair-like object head up in the sky and strike the plane. >> i think it was a missile that went up. >> reporter: a twa pilot who on occasion flown the actual 747 who has been in the accident believed the missile theory. he was one of the representatives. >> the fbi and them will do whatever it takes to cover their political rear ends. >> reporter: but there has never
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been any substanuation of evidence of an external explosion and 16 months after the most thorough and extensive aircraft investigation in u.s. history, the fbi announced no evidence had been found of a criminal act. the probable cause, an explosion of flammable fuel and vapors in the center fuel tank. as far as the eyewitnesss who thought they saw a missile. investigator tors explained after the explosion, the front of the plane plunged into the water but before it plunged into the water the back half continued climbing which could have appeared to look like a missile in the night sky. the man who lead the ntsb investigation was robert francis. >> a missile doesn't hit an airplane and you recover 9 8% of the airplane and not see a single scratch or indication on the airplane that a missile hit it. >> reporter: but a new documentary will try to convince others wise. the conclusion it wasn't a
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mechanical malfunction but instead an external explosion suggesting a missile and they said information was suppressed and some were co-hearsed into supporting the ex plan nation. former ntsb accident investigator is one of the people in it. >> what would your analysis have been? >> the primary, primary conclusion was the explosive forces came from outside the airplane, in a moment the center fuel tank. >> reporter: the ntsb and fbi stand by the findings but today as the wreckage of the plane sits in a hanger, authorities promise they are open to a new investigation is new evidence is presented. gary tuck man. >> it's called twa flight 800 and features investigators including hank hues who joins us tonight. >> this say pretty weighty allegation made here. you say there is solid evidence
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the original ntsb finding is untrue. what is that evidence and what are you and your colleagues saying happened to that plane? >> witnesses say a missile shot down that and physical evidence supports that but in terms of penetration, nitrates found on the aircraft. when we reconstructed the interior of the airplane, which is a job i supervised, we found there was no correlation between the victims, the infor your and for that matter, the explosion which suggests a high degree of separation of parts or explosion. in addition to that, after pain stakingly filing requests and suing the fbi, the cia and trying to get factual information that should have been made available to the public, we were able to analyze the radar data. at the time of the explosion, there were particles of debris
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and matter traveling at mac 4 coming out the airplane. >> you said the fbi with the help of the cia and your help of the bosses at the ntsb manipulated evidence, doctored evidence and covered up a crime or something caused by the united states military? >> i never said that. what i'm saying is the facts and circumstances of the accident were not as portrayed by the ntsb's final report. i will say from my own personal experience, i saw people lie. i said information ex followuated. i testified by a judicial oversight committee in may of 1997 along with two other safety bored investigators and talked about the irregularities and mismanagement by the ntsb and problems with the fbi, and our concerns fell on deaf ears.
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i know mr. calstrum is upset but he needs to look more closely at what went on because he's blowing smoke. >> you say he's blowing smoke. you're making serious acquisitions. who told people to lie? >> i have no idea. i have no idea. it's the first and only time in my entire career where anything like that has ever happened. >> and you allege in this documentary alleges there was shenanigans, going into the hanger at weird hours of the night. >> that's not an acquisition, that's a fact. >> what were they doing? >> i don't know. i went in the hanger one morning to open up and get ready for my team to do the work on the interior, reconstruction, found that some of the parts had been disturbed. it was fairly evident to the folks that were with me. we reported it to the fbi security chief who came over, viewed what he showed him,
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concurred that yes, someone had been there and disturbed it. they put some surveillance cameras in the hanger, and two or three nights later in the wee hours of the morning, three fbi agents from another office were caught in the hanger by the fbi security people and then, of course, later when we said who are they? what were they doing there? we got no answer. there's no motive in this other than we want to get it straight. it's a matter of personal integrity for us. we're volunteers. we have nothing to gain financially or otherwise, and to be quite honest with you, you know, a lot of us are sticking our necks out because of something we believe in and it's all as a result of being able to look at evidence that not everybody has been able to see before. >> hank hues, appreciate your time. >> yes, sir. >> the allegations at the very least reopen a lot of old wounds to some raises new questions.
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others though, including james calstrum believes the questions were answered years ago. >> you heard hank hues, he said not only did the fbi blow it, 7,000 interviews, he said not only did you blow it but there was a coverup. what do you say to that? >> it's not right. if he had that trouble speaking to his hierarchy, i was in that hanger every day. he could have came to me and said hey, i think they are leading you down a one-way street the wrong way. the fact any of those fellas could have done that. i don't question their motive. i just wished if someone felt that strongly about speaking like that, they could have brought it to someone's attention, you know, commencing with the investigation and not wait 17 years until they get
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their pensions in their pockets and then come out with it. >> you mention pensions in your pocket -- >> i want nothing -- >> mr. hues says this is about personal integrity and no financial stake in this. it's about integrity. what do you think it's about? >> i don't know what it's about. i don't challenge him on that but why didn't he do this 16 and a half years ago? i have no knowledge of any of these things he speaks about. first off, it's clear to understand one thing, the fbi and the ntsb are two separate agencies. crime aboard aircraft or destroying american flag airport. the ntsb is investigating for crashes and things like that, mechanical failure, electrical failure, pilot error, things like that. we both have our jurisdiction and rules. we operate under the rules of federal procedure.
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we operate under the rules of evidence collection and chain of custody so it's not unusual to have fbi agents in the hanger looking at bringing things down to our laboratory back and forth. >> so when he says video surveillance sees three fbi agents in the hanger at weird hours of the night up to hanky-panky, what would you say? >> if my people were there and there 24/7 and thought there was hanky-panky going on, i would know about it. i have no knowledge of it. if that took place, it had good reason. we had a whole team of lab technicians there that worked around the clock looking at evidence, and at peak, john, i had 1,000 agents on this investigation and we took the missile theory, the possibility a missile brought down the plane very, very seriously. you know, at that time in '96, we were at a very high state of alert in the united states. planes don't blow up in fire
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balls. >> the missile theory is not new. when the journalist came forward, he said it was a friendly fire from the navy. >> peter, here is a guy who was the press secretary of john f. kennedy, spent some time in the u.s. senate. in france, waving a piece of paper that says the uss norm did a proud person of the navy shot down this plane which is absolute total bunk. it was the rampings of some nut on the internet and debucked the. >> technology changed a lot since then don't you think it would make sense for the ntsb and fbi to bring together a team and run the same tests using the new technology to see if there is anything different? >> i don't see anything wrong with that. the day i had the closing press conference for an hour and i half i said we could find no
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evidence and we were 99% sure this was not a terrorist. however, we'll put the case pending inactive that plane is rebuilt and sits in a hanger in virginia. if some brain child can look at that and come up with some other idea how that happened, god bless them but it's been 17 years and has that hasn't happened. i wouldn't be opposed. i'm just upset because we're very close with the families. we were bonded with the families, spent a lot of time with them. we showed them things. we talked about it. we tried to dissuade them of the chatter and the crazy stuff that was out there and here now, this gets 17 years later. don't say it because i'm defensive about the investigation. that can be -- that's open to the world. that plane is sitting there. it's not been buried. it's not been melted down. it's right there. so i would love to see what this
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definitive since is and someone sitting there and watches this on television could bring the most prestige gas people. >> you're the deputy director of the fbi and leading this investigation, did you face any political pressure at all, any pressure from anywhere to make this not be a crime or an accident involving the military? >> absolutely not. and you know, i'm not the most bashful person in the world, jon, in the world u you know me and i know you, and, you know, that just would not have ever carried the day. >> appreciate your time, sir. >> my pleasure, thank you. a lot more happening tonight including breaking news in the ohio captive case including exclusive video for the woman that said she and her daughter were held captive in this house. this is it. this is what matters.
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breaking news on a story if true, goes beyond shocking. a mentally disabled woman and her daughter held captive for more than a year, forced to eat dog food and menaced by a pit bull. a fourth person turned herself in. debra will turn herself in tomorrow. video sure phrased from the home where the victim said she was held and video she said was used to keep her from going to authority the. pamela brown has more with this unfolding. pam, as this was starting to break last night, boy, it sounds horrific. what more have you learned today? >> reporter: it's horrific. it's confusing, and it's complex, john. we've learned new details today. prosecutors are standing by what they said yesterday, that the suspects in this case forced this 29-year-old woman and her little girl into captivity in the home here behind me, that they threatened her, that they used her daughter against her to
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keep her in line as their personal slave. so really horrifying details here. when the victim was caught shoplifting last october, she told police about her alleged captors and this is where it gets mirky. when cops confronted the suspects, they gave them this very disturbing cell phone video. let's take a look here. as you can see there, it shows what appears to be the alleged victim beating her child a year earlier, smogging her on the face repeatedly and then there is more video. there's video of her spanking her child repeatedly over and over again. prosecutors are saying that the mother claims she was forced into this so that the -- so that her captors could use it as
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blackmail so she wouldn't leave captivity. john? >> pamela, as you mentioned, there is confusing. if the woman, the mother was free to leave the house, why didn't she go to authorities sooner? >> reporter: that's a good question and a lot of people are asking that, john. what we're told is her little girl was forceed to stay inside the home when the mother would run errands so the mother would return to her little girl. i've covered several human trafficking cases as a reporter. it's not clear cut, often victims feel powerless, fearful, scared to cry out for help because they are afraid their captors will come after them, hurt them, hurt their families. so it's very complex when it comes to that. we did look at some police reports, though, and we found out that police over the last couple of years did have interaction, not only with the suspects in this case but also with the alleged victim. in fact, in one of the cases the alleged victim called police about stolen food stamps.
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so the question remains, john, if the mother and her child were living in subhuman conditions as the u.s. attorney alleges, why didn't anyone intervene sooner? >> has anyone else tied her up or just you? just you? has anybody else taped her or just you? >> just me. >> explain the significance of that video. >> reporter: yeah, this is video that was actually taped by police. this was the day after the victim was caught for shoplifting, and she was giving police a tour of the home here behind me, and in this video she says and admits she tied up her little girl and taped the little
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girl as we heard her say in that video. so we speak to one of the suspect's attorneys and he said the video there is proof that her acquisitions aren't credible, however, the u.s. attorney in this case is standing by what he has said. he says that there were several witnesses that agree with the mother and puts the blame on the accusers. >> isha with the 360 bulletin. >> the fbi revealed it has used drones inside the united states. the unmanned surveillance aircraft was in barricade situations when law enforcement personnel could be in serious risk. the agency didn't say how many drones it has or how often they use. we have a 360 follow to a story we reported on monday. three mid shipman at the u.s. naval academy were charged today with sexual assault. a classmate she was raped by the
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men following a night of drinking at a party off campus last year. and john, the american medical association reclassified obesity as a disease. it diagnoses nearly 1/3rd of americans with a condition. that he though, they didn't say what qualifies as a disease. and james gandolfini died tonight at the age of 51. quoting the actor on getting what would be the role of any actor's lifetime, tony sopranos. a clip. >> a nice, long, happy life which is more than i can say for you. >> that's enough. >> keep it moving. keep move sglg i try to do right. >> he doesn't understand you. >> look at the look on her face. she's smiling. >> come on. >> get off me. >> look at her face. >> look at her face.
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all right. that's enough. >> james gandolfini as we said was characteristically modest about snagging that part. he said i thought it was a wonderful script. i thought i would do this. i thought they would hire somebody a little more appealing to the eye. james gandolfini dead tonight at the age of 51. he'll be deeply, deeply missed. that will do it for this edition of 360. of 360. "piers morgan live" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is ""piers morgan live" ". breaking news to the death of an american super star james gandolfini died at the age of 51 reportedly of a heart attack. he did what was impossible of most actors, make the
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