breaking news is sad news. james gandolfini one of america's best trrs and brought the best known fictional actor to life has died. he was in rome when he suffered what is believed to be a heart attack. he went from character actor to superstar playing mob boss tony soprano. the creator david chase had this to say. he was a genius. anyone who saw him even in the smallest of his performances knows that. he is one of the greatest actors of this or anytime. a grate great deal of that genius resided in those sad eyes. we will talk to the people who knew him, admired this work and watched him become a folk hero in the garden state and around the world. begin the discussion with larry king who is joining us by phone and chief medical correspondent

sanjay gupta. we need to be careful. we are just getting this information in. 51 years old. three months short of 52 years old. indications are a heart attack or stroke. what would your questions be? >> this is young to have a heart attack, even when you look at pre-existing health conditions. average age of someone having a first heart attack if this is what we are talking about is usually in the mid-60s. as you are suggesting, i think it is important there's limited information that we know. so the -- i think medical personnel. people trying to figure this out on the ground there are going to want to know are there any other potential risk factors here. if this was, in fact, heart disease, heart attacks typically cause something known as a cardiac arrest. the heart attack itself is caused because you are not getting enough blood to the heart. what can cause death is when the heart, as a result of that, starts to go in to abnormal

rhythms. there are other things that can cause abnormal rhythms as well. did he have a pre-existing condition that he didn't know about? were there medications or drugs in his system at the time of this. you are hearing this notion was there a stroke involved? could that have been because of poor blood flow to the brain at the same time as the problem with the heart? there's a lot of things, still as you can suggesting, we need to figure out. but this is young for really a first-time heart attack, rs first time stroke and there's a lot of questions to be answered. >> dr. gupta, stay with us. larry king is joining us on the phone. larry, 51 years old, three months short of 52. a man who had many, many roles and became a superstar with tony soprano. you sat across the table from him many times. a made with a great sense of humor and loved what he did and loved life. >> he sure was. he was a great guy. a little ominous. i'm in vegas and the last time i

saw mr. gandolfini was in vegas. we were at a dinner together honoring mohammad ali. we were at the same table and he was a great fan of mohammad ali. as i just told erin burnett, a man next to the table bid on this cruise $250,000 and invited james to go with him and he said of course i'll go. he was exuberant. he was lively. it is very, very sad to hear. i heard sanjay say, i had my heart attack when i was 53. so i have outlived that a heart time. heart attacks can occur in your 50s. he did, sanjay, he loved his food. he was not -- he didn't push back from the table. >> larry, when hen went from being a very good character, don't wet me wrong, from a superstar with tony soprano. what did that mean to him? >> well, he was very

appreciative of it but he always remained, john, a character actor. he did a very successful broadway play a couple of years ago. he recreated the role in hollywood, for character play, a very funny play. he loved comedies. he was the classic character actor who was thrown in to stardom in the role that was unbelievable that he -- he was so tony soprano. when you see someone embrace a role like that, he was tony soprano. he totally enveloped the role and it's rare that a character actor becomes a major star but it happened to him and he handled it so well, john. if you would known him you would have liked him very much f. he was on the show with you tonight he would have gone and had a pizza with you after the show. >> he was the mayor of new york city in pellham 103 and when you are a character actor and done a number of different things,

broadway, big screen, television an you become defined, known, famous for one role, that's a blessing. is it sometimes a frustration? >> the question is it hampers you with other roles. i asked do you think this is the role you couldn't get. >> he said probably true. probably they were saying he can't do that because they will see him and think tony soprano. sometimes when you stamp a role it may affect you in other roles. he was a broadway actor and i think he liked that the best. he preferred theater and there's always room in the theater for the good actors. he was certainly that. i'm really shocked. aren't you? >> i am shocked. krista smith is a senior contributor from "vanity fair." you met mr. gandolfini early in his career. give some reflections. >> i did actual limit i remember

when he came to l.a. and he would -- we had a mutual friend and he would stay at my apartment when he was auditioning for pilots. and when he was on -- when he started "streetcar named desire." i remember that with my friend edith that they played the couple upstairs with alec baldwin and jessica lange. he loved theater. he was a brilliant actor. and of course he got "the sopranos" which hit the sweet spot of everybody for about over a decade. i mean, that character is legendary. ""vanity fair"" certainly covered it. tony soprano is his own -- i don't think that you can think of a more iconic character that he created other than that one. >> you say you recall him staying at your apartment early on. any indications of any health issues that maybe we didn't know about but that maybe he did? >> i never -- he was a really smart guy.

he was fun. he had a certain kind of natural sex appeal for a guy that wasn't a traditional leading man. no, not at all. later in life, obviously he was heavier. i don't know if that played a part in to it. it is so sad, so, so sad. and he's a father. it's just terrible. >> i'm sorry. please stay with us. matthew is also with us. he directed james gone doll feeney on broadway. tell us what he was like to work with from beginning end to of a big project like that. >> well, he was a -- it was a privilege to work with him i have to say. he is one of my favorite actors to spend time. he was terrified about the idea of coming back on to broadway in a play like that. he repeatedly would say he wasn't going to be as good as other people in the cast and he was going to let them down. you know, the irony, of course, he was perfect in that role.

and that sort of extreme sensitivity and very high standards that he had for himself. he was so brutal on himself. that's what made him such an outstanding actor. really one of our great actors. i was thinking just the other day of more work i'd like to do with him direct him. but he really did appreciate, i think, being part of that broadway scene again. i remember him coming in one day after we opened the show and he was a big success in it and really started to enjoy it. you know, having traveled from sheer terror, panic to actually beginning to enjoy it. he said, you know, i was in a restaurant last night and someone called across to me and said, hey, jim and he said, that's the first time in years anyone has called me by my name. they usually say hey, tony and i feel like being on broadway has given me that side of myself back again. he was proud to be a big part of

the acting community again, i think. >> for our viewers who may only know him as tony soprano tell us about the role in "god of carnage." >> very suited to his big bear-like personality. he was -- we would say a low, middle-class backbone character. and blue collar. somebody who was married to a very deep thinking, socially aware wife. and it's a story about that family and friends of their. their son is getting in to a fight and how the parents were trying to resolve it in as an adult way as possible. of course as they play it they thank you all degenerate if to squabbling, fights and pathetic way and it was great to see this huge man, very, very strong man

breaking down in the role, sobbing, shouting, yelling, degenerating. a firework display. he was just so good at the emotions in that. very passionate man. very tender man. we went through -- i think we went on a journey together he and i. and the rest of the cast during that play. i, you know, i really loved him. and admired him a great deal. it's still a real shock today. >> did he talk about all -- you mentioned the sensitivity required in the role. he was a very gruff, cut throat killer as tony soprano. did he think that maybe the audience won't find me credible or have difficulty digesting me in a different kind of role? >> well, i think he came in with expectations of playing it in a

certain way and it wasn't maybe too far away from tony soprano and maybe that had become his comfort zone, his comfort zone possibly. but each day in rehearsals, he was another area more out of control, more child like. and what have you. he would chuckle. he would chuckle at himself. he had a great comic instinct. he realized that the audience would get a kick, i think, out of seeing him do other things and showing the other side. but it was -- he didn't find it easy to get there. so it was a real act of courage. i can't emphasize that enough. he pleaded with me on one occasion to be allowed to leave the show when we were still in rehearsals. he thought he wouldn't be able

to just live up to the rest of the company. i hope he wouldn't mind me sharing that. it was a private thing at the time but i think it is a good indication of the courage that he showed and all of these things. the sensitivity, passion, courage the brutal self-criticism were all great ingredients for being the great actor he was. >> it speaks volumes to his dedication to his craft. matthew, let me ask you this and stay with us as we continue the conversation. it's the stamina required for theater is demanding. it's quite the haul for preproduction, production. any indications he had any health issues at all? >> you know, there was talk that he had health issues in the past, and i think that was just common knowledge, and he was as clean as a whistle for us and

incredibly dedicated, rigorous, scrupulous and, yeah, yeah, as was required he behaved and looked like an athlete when he was doing the show on broadway. it was a long run and continued to do it. he came back for a second run on broadway and then a third run over in l.a. and he was in good shape. it was -- you're right, it's strenuous, eight shows a week particularly strenuous show. no, this is -- i would say he was clearly a big guy but when he was doing request "god of carnage" he was a healthy guy. >> we will talk more about the health issues with dr. sanjay gupta. more on the death of james gandolfini. >> excuse me. yeah. >> you are not going to believe this. your sister's here. >> barbara.

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steve ke steve carell fine man. we're back with sanjay gupta and the director of god on carnage on broadway. we're in the early stages here so we need to be careful. 51 years old, three months short of 52nd birthday. he was -- you could tell by looking overweight. perhaps meeting the technical definition of obese. what are your questions when you hear something like this of a heart attack? >> you want to know any existing health conditions he had. you are hearing some from the people who knew him best. also his family history. i mentioned earlier, we were talking with larry king that the average age of someone having a first heart attack is mid-60s and it's some of the risk factors we are talking about. whether it is his weight, high

cholesterol, high blood pressure. was he a smoker? had he used drugs currently or in the past could put the rate of first heart attack earlier in life. about 10% of people who have first heart attacks are having them before age 45. the vast majority do occur in the mid-60s, you know there are risk factors that can move that up. in the united states, depending which state you live, in someone dies sort of unexpectedly, unusually, suspiciously, in many cases the medical examiner may be involved and try to get a better answer as to what happened here by doing an examination. i don't know what happens in italy specifically. that's something else that i would want to know and the medical personnel on the ground, i'm sure, are trying to figure that out as we speak, john. >> matthew, i know we are going to lose you soon. as you worked with him in the theater. we were talking about some

concerns. what was your take on his physical health, physical stamina? >> i have nothing to say other than he did a very, very strenuous job rigorously, scrupulously and with great self control and during the months that he was involved with us, other than, you know -- other than just the anxiety that he was battling when we were -- before we opened the show, which is something that consumed him and i was happy to work with him through that process. he was -- he did really well and seemed to be healthy. i mean, like you said, he is a big guy in a strenuous production and with a lot of

running around and leaping around and fights and falling over furniture and -- at that stage that there were no alarm bells at all. >> you become a family in a production like that. tell us something about james gandolfini that perhaps the public never gets to see about the man, the person. >> just to say that, you know, he was extremely gentle, tender, soft hearted, vulnerable, kind. yes, he was funny and you know explosive. this is not a negative for me. i love passionate people. i love people with high standards. you know, we would be rehearsing. we're in rehearsals you know it is a time when everybody gets everything wrong over and over again and gradually you work out

together how you are going to get it right. he would sometimes beat the table just because he got a line wrong. we said, jim, this is what we are here for. this is fine and i love that. you know. people said to me before, you can be a big personality and you have to be careful of people, very high profile, none of that. he was a big personality. but he was a humble and a gentle, tender man with high standards and great, great talent. i mean, i hope you can hear. i had such genuine fondness for him as a person. everything about him. his own struggles with his own -- well, whatever they were demons in his life to do with

these high standard and anxiety and his passion and need to get things right. all of that stuff. that's normal for a performer and a performer of his caliber and his profile. he dealt with it with great rigor, high standards, dignity. yeah, i loved him. >> matthew warchus directed james gandolfini in "god of carnage." we appreciate those reflections. john weissman is with us. this is sad and shocking news tonight. when you think of james gandolfini and the full variety of his work, not just tony soprano, what runs through your mind on this sad evening? >> well, that's the thing. i mean tony soprano will always be his legacy but he had a pretty diverse career and had a good touch with comedy and the ability to inhabit different dramatic roles. i saw him in "god of carnage" in los angeles.

he was an actor of many talents. >> one of the things perhaps many people don't know is the love of the american military and the veteran. you produced a documentary for hbo about the difficulties of troops coming home from iraq and another documentary with troops going back to earlier wars but especially afghanistan and iraq dealing with ptsd. is that something, any idea how he came to that affinity and affection and his desire to help support their cause? >> i think that is something he was passionate about for a long time. to be clear, he was not tony soprano in real life. he was a very interested in the world. i think that is a cause that was near and dear to him. >> krista smith you say you knew james gandolfini early in his career. how did he change as his career became more successful and then superstar? >> i think the experience that i knew with him is he is a very,

very loyal guy. he had the same amount of friends that he had with him when he wasn't famous as when he was famous. he didn't change. he didn't suddenly move on to a different stratosphere. he kept the same kind of family around him that he had when he wasn't famous. he really -- the nice to hear everyone's reflections and he was definitely an actor's actor. every time i'm interviewing actors or talking about other actors he was always mentioned. people had a tremendous amount of respect for him, for his sheer talent also his big personality, but yet his gentleness and humor. he was very, very well liked. >> also with us is eliana rice who pro-filed mr. james gandolfini in 2010. what surprised you? you can look at the body of work or go to broadway and look at the television shows and work the sopranos that you want. when you sat down and walked away from the interviews, do you

say that was surprise? >> he was quite funny and very dry. an unpretenial sort of giechl he didn't mind talking about his work, but he didn't want to do it in the hollywood froo-froo fashion that sometimes people are used to. he wanted to just have a conversation. he was interested in your honest opinion about things. you could give him your honest people and he would listen to it. >> some people in the business like to be treated as they are special and others have a disdain for that. how about jim? >> he didn't strike me as somebody who wanted extra attention. he told me he didn't think of playing tony soprano or think of him as a character even though that is what he is known for and he would walk down the street and people would shout that at him and he did the best to disappear in his role and he chose roles that you wouldn't expect with his past, his career, his physical attributes.

he went for softies sometimes. >> what was he -- was he worried? i don't know if that is the right word? was he concern head would be overdefined by tony soprano. >> i think he liked to give people a different take on him. he went for a different direction. he did a lot of indy movies, broadway, he told me he loved dumb comedies, that's what he called them, stupid comedies that you might catch on cable. that's what he watched. he wasn't out there worrying about being typecast. i don't think so, no. >> he was the defense secretary, if my memory is right in zero dark 30. an interesting role for somebody who is known to the american people as a mobster. >> he had a lot of interaction with the military. he went abroad. he did stuff with the troops and he did a lot of documentaries for hbo about people in combat and that is something he was proud of. >> where that passion came from, you see a lot of people that go on one or two trips for the uso

or when they are putting out a new film a few public relations appearances but this is something he viewed as a cause that he would stick. >> yeah, he learned about the troops abroad having a real connection to "the sopranos" and that turned him on to it as well as his "the sopranos" cast mates having been in the military themselves and that's when he started to go over and hbo came to him with ideas about doing documentaries and he started to do it and didn't stochl and even when he played leon panetta in "zero dark 30" he interacted with those guys. i remember at many of the awards shows we attended together, he apologized to leon panetta for not doing him right. he said he had a big wig in the movie. >> bad wig in the movie. common theme is how hard he worked and how dedicated he was to his craft. any indication when you did this profile in 2010 of any health

issues? >> no. i wouldn't say so. everybody who knew him you could see who he was. he was a big guy. he didn't hide that. there was no way you could hide that. we had lunch and i think he ate a salad. he was not somebody who gave any indication that he was concerned about his health, no. >> where did he see his career going? we have talked it is sometimes frustrating for an actor who wants diversity and enjoys the stage of the theater and wants to be on the big screen and likes to do funny films, stupid comedies he would call them or indy movies but the mass appeal, the mass appeal of the audience out there thinks of him as tony soprano. where did he see himself going? >> i didn't have a sense he was dissatisfied with the roles he was getting. he was well beyond the moment he had to read for anything. he was sent scripts and you imagine he had choice in the role. there were indies he played a softer character or doing eight

shows a week on broadway is not an easy thing. you could see he was interested as a performer and his co-stars, writers and directors that worked with him had nothing but praise for his work ethic. >> any sense of who he admired in the business? >> you know, when i talked to him, he was having -- he was just done a movie with chris stewart and he said he was interested in working with her not because of twilight which he said he had never seen but he saw her in an earlier movie "in to the wild." he was looking at those kind of things. he had a dedication he was interested in the movie because it was made by jake scott who was a nephew of tony scott who gave him his first role and he was dedicated to that relationship. he wanted to pursue that. i'm sure he had no shortage of opportunities. >> appreciate your insights. dr. sanjay gupta, everyone else, thank you for helping us to understand the gravity of the

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striking new claims about a plane crash that hit the country hard. a 747 blown out of he sky. one minute everything aboard twa flight 800 was normal. the next the plane falling in pieces in to the atlantic off the coast of long island, new york, killing everyone on board. prompting perhaps the most thorough investigation anyone had ever seen, among other things you see it here. investigators literally reassembled the aircraft to better determine how it came apart. it still exists in a hangar in

virginia. now the producer of a documentary and some retired investigators say the official theory, blaming the fuel tank, an explosion in the fuel tank they say it's wrong. not only that, they claim in the words of the film's own promotional material that she investigation was systemically undermined. they say they have evidence that it came from outside of the 747 and petitioned the ntsb to reopen the investigation. in a moment one of those retired investigators as well as the assistant fbi director who oversaw the criminal investigation. first the background from 360s's gary tuchman. it was a hot summer night in 1996. >> we just saw an explosion out here. it just went down. in the water. >> there was no saving anyone. >> it just blew up in the air and we saw two fire balls go down to the water. >> reporter: family members, witnesses in utter shock.

twa flight 800 had just taken off minutes earlier from jfk on it's way to paris and crashed in the atlantic. all 230 people aboard dead. the investigation as to why the plane went down riveted the nation. terrorism? the suspicion of terror was heightened by the fact this disaster happened only three years after the first terrorist attack on the world trade center. jim was one of the men in charge of the investigation. he was ahead of the new york city field office of the fbi. >> we talked about the possibility of a missile taking down the airplane. the first time i believe we ever said that in law enforcement in the united states. >> reporter: the origin of the missile theory was sustained by eyewitnesss. this woman was with her baby at the time overlooking the water. >> it looked like a red dot that went up and didn't leave a tail behind. >> reporter: she drew a sketch for the fbi and for me. >> the red dot went up like this curved, came to a point where i thought little fireworks was

going to come down or it would just fade and be a flair and then like big, big -- these would be thick streams of fire coming down. >> reporter: another witness was a man named mike wire who said he saw a flare-like object head up in the sky and strike the plane. >> i think it was a missile that went up. >> reporter: a twa pilot who on occasion flown the actual 747 who has been in the accident believed the missile theory. pilot terrell stacey is one of twa's representations in the investigation. >> the fbi and ntsb are political animals. they will do whatever it takes to cover their political rear ends. >> reporter: but there has never been any substanuation of evidence of an external explosion and 16 months after the most thorough and extensive aircraft investigation in u.s. history, the fbi announced no evidence had been found of a criminal act. the probable cause, an explosion of flammable fuel and vapors in the center fuel tank. as far as the eyewitnesss who

thought they saw a missile. investigators explained after the explosion, the front of the plane plunged into the water but before it plunged into the water the back half continued climbing which could have appeared to look like a missile in the night sky. the man who lead the ntsb investigation was robert francis. >> a missile doesn't hit an airplane and you recover 9 8% of the airplane and not see a single scratch or indication on the airplane that a missile hit it. >> reporter: but a new documentary called twa flight 800 will try to convince otherwise. the conclusion it wasn't a mechanical malfunction but instead an external explosion suggesting a missile and they said information was suppressed and some investigators were essentially 0 coerced in to supporting the mechanical failure explanation. former ntsb accident

investigator hank hughes is one of the people in it. >> what would your analysis have been? >> the primary, primary conclusion was the explosive forces came from outside the airplane, not the center fuel tank. >> reporter: the ntsb and fbi stand by the findings but today as the wreckage of the plane sits in a hangar, authorities promise they are open to a new investigation is new evidence is presented. gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. >> the new documentary is called "twa flight 800." and features investigators including hank hughes who joins us tonight. >> this say pretty weighty allegation made here. you say there is solid evidence the original ntsb finding is untrue. what is that evidence and what are you and your colleagues saying happened to that plane? >> witnesses say a missile shot down flight 800. the physical evidence supports

that but in terms of penetration, deposits on the aircraft. when we reconstructed the interior of the airplane, which is a job i supervised, we found there was no correlation between the victims, the interior and for that matter the explosion that suggests a high degree of separation of parts or high ordinance explosion. in addition to that, after painstakingly filing for requests and suing the fbi, the cia and trying to get factual information that should have been made available to the public we were able to analyze radar data. at the time of the explosion, there were particles of debris and matter traveling at mach 4 outside of the right side of the plane. >> you said the fbi with the help of the cia and your help of the bosses at the ntsb manipulated evidence, doctored

evidence, lied to the american people and covered up a crime or something caused by the united states military. >> i never said that. what i'm saying is the facts and circumstances of the accident were not as portrayed by the ntsb's final report. i will say from my own personal experience, i saw people lie. i saw information exfoliated. i testified before a oversight committee hearing in may of 1997, along with two other safety board investigators and talked about the irregularities and mismanagement by the empty sb and the problems with the fbi and our concerns fell on deaf ears. i know apparently mr. calstrom is upset about it but i think he needs to look more closely at what went on because he is blowing a lot of smoke. >> you say he's blowing smoke. you're making serious acquisitions. who told people to lie? >> i have no idea. i have no idea.

it's the first and only time in my entire career where anything like that has ever happened. >> and you allege in this documentary alleges there was shenanigans, fbi agents going in the hangar at weird hours of the night. >> that's not an accusation. that's a fact. >> what were they doing? >> i don't know. i went in the hanger one morning to open up and get ready for my team to do the work on the interior reconstruction, found that some of the parts had been disturbed. it was fairly evident to the folks that were with me. we reported it to the fbi security chief who came over, viewed what he showed him, concurred that yes, someone had been there and disturbed it. they put some surveillance cameras in the hangar, and two or three nights later in the wee hours of the morning, three fbi agents from another office were caught in the hangar by the fbi

security people and then, of course, later when we said who are they? what were they doing there? we got no answer. there's no motive in this other than we want to get it straight. it's a matter of personal integrity for us. we're volunteers. we have nothing to gain financially or otherwise, and to be quite honest with you, you know, a lot of us are sticking our necks out because of something we believe in and it's all as a result of being able to look at evidence that not everybody has been able to see before. >> hank hughes, appreciate your time. >> yes, sir. >> the allegations at the very least reopen a lot of old wounds to some raises new questions. others though, including james calstrom believes the questions were answered years ago. . >> you heard the allegations

made by hank hughes. he said not only did the fbi blow it, 7,000 interviews, he said not only did you blow it but there was a coverup. what do you say to that? >> it's not right. if he had that trouble speaking ntsb hierarchy, i was in that hangar pretty much every day. he could have come over to me and said, hey, i think they are leading you down some way-way street the wrong way. in fact any of those fellas could have done that. i don't question their motive. i just wish if someone felt that strongly about something like that they could have brought it to someone's attention. you know, commensurate with the investigation and not wait 17 years until they get their pensions in their pockets an then come out with it bl you mentioned pensions in your pocket. i want nothing -- >> mr. hughes says this is about prnal integrity and he has no financial stake in this. it is about personal integrity. what do you think it is about?

>> i don't know what it is about. i don't challenge them on that. but why didn't he do this 16 1/2 years ago? i have no knowledge of any of these things he speaks about. first off, it's clear to understand one thing. the fbi and ntsb are two separate agencies. this fbi has criminal jurisdiction under title 18 of crime aboard aircraft or destroying american flag aircraft. the ntsb is the investigative agency for the crashes and things like that, mechanical, electrical failure, pilot failure, things like. that we both have our jurisdiction and rules. we operate under the rules of federal procedure. we operate under the rules of evidence collection and chain of custody. so it's not unusual to have fbi agents in the hangar and looking at bringing things down to a laboratory back and forth. >> when he says video surveillance sees three fbi

agents in the hangar up to what he thinks is hanky panky. >> if my people were there 24/7, if they thought hanky panky was going on i would have knowledge of that and if it took place it had good reason. we had a whole team of lab tech nixes that looked at evidence around the clock. at the peak, john, i had 1,000 agents on this investigation. we took the missile theory, the possibility of a missile brought down the plane very seriously. at that time, in 1 '96 we were in a high state of alert here in the united states. 747s don't blow up in fire balls for 40 miles. >> the missile theory is not new. at the time that peter salinger came forward he said he had evidence that there was friendly fire from the navy. what do you make of that. >> peter salinger is a guy who

was the press secretary of john f. kennedy. spent some time in the u.s. senate. over in cannes, france, apparent think three sheets in the wind, waving a piece of paper saying this is from french intelligence. a proud frigate of the u.s. navy shot down this plane which is absolute total bunk. it was the rantings of some nut on the internet and totally debunked. >> the technology has changed a lot since then. do you think it would make sense for the fbi and ntsb to bring together a team and run the same tests using the new technology to see if they see anything different. >> i don't see anything wrong with that. the day i had my closing press conference for a year and a half. we could find no evidence and we were 99% sure this was not a terrorist. however, we will put the case pending inactive that plane is rebuilt and sits in a hangar in virginia and if some brain child can look at some other idea how

it happened, god bless them. it has been 17 years and and that hasn't happened. i wouldn't be opposed to that. i'm just a little bit upset because we were close with the families. we were really bonded with the families and spent a lot of time with them. we showed them things. we talked about it. we tried to dissuade them of all of the chatter, the peter salinger's and other crazy stuff that was up and here 17 years later. i don't say it because i'm defensive about our investigation. that could be -- that's open to the world. that plane is sitting there. it is not buried or melted down. it is right. there i'd love to see what this definitive science is and somebody who's got a degree in physics and sits in an armchair and watches this on television could bring that the most prestigious metal lure gist in the world couldn't bring. >> you heard mr. hughes say people were coerced and lied.

at any point did you fay any political pressure at all, any pressure from anywhere to make this not be a crime or not be an accident involving the military? >> absolutely not. you know, i'm not the most bashful person in the world, john, you know me and i know you. you know, that would not have ever carried the day. >> appreciate your time, sir. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> a lot more happening tonight including breaking news in the ohio captive case including video of a woman who says she and her daughter were held captive in this house. my low t, i did my research. my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied

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suspects in this case forced this 29-year-old woman and her little girl into captivity in the home here behind me, that they threatened her, that they used her daughter against her to keep her in line as their personal slave. so really horrifying details here. when the victim was caught shoplifting last october, she told police about her alleged captors and this is where it gets murky. when cops confronted the suspects, they gave them this very disturbing cell phone video. let's take a look here. as you can see there, it shows what appears to be the alleged victim beating her child a year earlier, smacking her on the face repeatedly and then there is more video. there's video of her spanking her child repeatedly over and over again.

prosecutors are saying that the mother claims she was forced into this so that the -- so that her captors could use it as blackmail so she wouldn't leave captivity. john? >> pamela, as you mentioned, there is confusing. if the woman, the mother was free to leave the house, why didn't she go to authorities sooner? >> reporter: that's a good question and a lot of people are asking that, john. what we're told is her little girl was forced to stay inside the home when the mother would run errands so the mother would return to her little girl. i've covered several human trafficking cases as a reporter. it's not clear cut, often victims in these trafficking cases feel powerless. they are fearful. they are scared to high krooi out for help because they are afraid their captors will come after them, hurt them, hurt their families. it is very complex when it comes to that.

we did look at some police reports, though, and we found out that police over the last couple of years did have interaction, not only with the suspects in this case but also with the alleged victim. in fact, in one of the cases the alleged victim called police about stolen food stamps. so the question remains, john, if the mother and her child were living in subhuman conditions as the u.s. attorney alleges, why didn't anyone intervene sooner? >> has anyone else tied her up or just you? just you? has anybody else taped her or just you? >> just me. >> explain the significance of that video. >> reporter: yeah, this is video that was actually taped by police. this was the day after the victim was caught for shoplifting, and she was giving police a tour of the home here behind me, and in this video she says and admits she tied up her

little girl and taped the little girl as we heard her say in that video. so we speak to one of the suspect's attorneys and he said the video there is proof that her acquisitions aren't credible, however, the u.s. attorney in this case is standing by what he has said. he says that there were several witnesses that corroborate the mother's story and he continues to put the blame squarely on the accusers. >> a bizarre story. thank you so much. a lot more happening. >> isha with the 360 bulletin. >> the fbi revealed it has used drones inside the united states. the unmanned surveillance aircraft was in barricade situations when law enforcement personnel could be in serious risk. the agency didn't say how many drones it has or how often they use. we have a 360 follow to a story we reported on monday. three midshipmen at the u.s. naval academy were charged today

with sexual assault. a classmate she was raped by the men following a night of drinking at a party off campus last year. and in a vote today, the american medical association reclassified the obesity as a disease. it diagnoses nearly 1/3rd of americans with a condition. they didn't say what qualifies as a disease. and james gandolfini died tonight at the age of 51. the "new york times" obituary quoting the actor on his reaction to getting the role of any actor's lifetime, tony soprano. before telling you what he said we would be remiss not paying tribute with a clip. >> a nice long happy life which is more than i can say for you. >> that's enough. >> keep moving! keep moving. >> i tried to do the right thing by you and what? >> she doesn't understand you. >> look at the look on her face. look at her face. she's smiling.

look at her face. she has a smile on her face. >> james gandolfini, as we said, was characterishly modest about snagging the part. quote, i thought it was a wonderful script, he said. i thought they would hire someone more debonair, a little more appealing to the eye. james gandolfini dead at the age of 51. he will be deeply, deeply missed. that does it for this edition of the fbi admits it is using drones to spy on americans here on american soil.