this is ""piers morgan live."" welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world, why women may hold the key to the george zimmerman trial and amanda knox caught on camera with her ex and breaking the news, the stories behind the headlines. if the economy is getting better, why did wall street have the worst day of the year and the walls, exclusive the man that co-founded apple with steve jobs, his interview tonight on a segway, a machine that nearly killed me once. we'll get around to talking about why. i want him to talk about the new upcoming jobs movie. >> nobody wants to buy a computer, nobody. >> how did somebody know what they want if they have never even seen it?

>> also, government snooping taking us back to the days of the cold war soviet union. >> i want to begin on the tragic death of james gandolfini yesterday. we're learning more about the moments of his family found him in his hotel room last night. dan is live in rome with more. dan, what is the latest? >> reporter: well, we've been piecing together the tragic final minutes of james gandolfini's life. we know that he arrived at the hospital at 10:40 p.m. having been rushed in found collapsed in his hotel room in a five-star hotel here in central rome. we know he was traveling with his 13-year-old son. there are some reports suggesting it was the son that found him collapsed in the room alerted hotel staff. we haven't confirmed who found

him, but certainly very quickly the ambulance services arrived. they tried to perform cpr on him. continued that resuscitation attempt as they drove towards the hospital. he was dead on arrival we're told. they continued to try resuscitation for sometime until he was pronounced dead finally and transferred to the morgue. so an awful, awful situation for his young son here thousands of miles from home and all his friends and family, of course, reeling from the shock of his sudden death. >> and dan, obviously james gandolfini was hugely famous in america, probably less so in italy, even though sopranos i believe did air there. what has been the reaction in roam and italy to his death? >> reporter: yeah, it's best to say he was not the blockbuster star that he was in the states here in italy. he did have, though, a

following. he appeared in films like "zero dark 30." people that watch sopranos, not perhaps quite as watched as the u.s. he was due to speak and receive an award at a film festival down in sicily and that will go ahead but be basically dedicated to his memory. they put out a statement how profoundly sorry they are and incredibly shocked he has gone in such an awful and sudden way and the tv and film world lost such a massive figure in terms of his work, which stretched not only into film but also documentaries. he did a lot of documentary work with veterans in the wars in iraq and afghanistan. >> it really is a shocking and sad story to lose a man of such great talent so early at 51. it's a really, really sad, sad thing. thank you for joining us. later on the show, we'll go on went on behind the scenes of the sopranos. the night he disappeared, the

article about life behind the scenes on that hit show. i'll turn to surprising developments in the trayvon martin case. the jury that will decide his fate was selected today and all female. five white women and one hispanic and black. today george zimmerman's attorney said that the jury selection was at least as important as the evidence in the case. that's on the docket for law and disorder. joining me, senior analyst jeffrey toobin and gloria. welcome to you. what a stellar panel it is tonight. i must say. let me start with you, gloria, as you have the great dishonor of being next to me. what do you make of this? it's great for the defense, could also be great for the prosecution. what do you think? >> well, that's the jury that was chosen, and i do think that that's where the decision is going to be made. of usually, it's all in jury

selection. i think other things will be important than gender. i think for example attitudes about law and order. usually if the prosecution wants more law and order oriented juror but here i think the defense wants that. in audition, in terms of the selection of the jury, i think the prosecution probably wanted more african americans, rather than mainly a white jury, but they have the jury that they have. so i think that these issues are all going to be on the table, and gun issues are going to be on the table, and that's how the case is going to be decided. >> jeffrey toobin, fascinating break down of the jurors. one is married with eight kids, attends church, works at a nursing home. one is married 30 years, two kids has watched coverage of the case, has called police about kids vandalizing signs, one owned a firearm arm, another married two kids, used to carry concealed weapons permit, one has no kids at all but supper

vises 1200 employees and the last one is married with a son and safety officer. all of them apart from the one that has no children would have something in their lives you could say would be particularly relevant to this case. >> you can. you know, it's very hard to predict how women will look at this case because, you know, as you said earlier, you can see both sides. it's very important not to engage in too much stereotypical thinking of how women or men or african americans think about something. in sexual assault cases, you might think that women would be more sympathetic to victims and good prosecution jurors. women historically have been very tough on women victims, especially in cases where

consent is an issue. so, you know, women can be very tough on other women. african americans can be tough on other african americans. here, i don't think there is a clear sense, at least not one i'm aware of of how women generically feel about the case and sounds like a fair jury to me. >> john, i don't think the question of the fact is they are women, unusual that it is but five of the six are mothers. if i was playing to the prosecution hand, i would be playing that fact strongly. this is a 17-year-old boy who was going to see his father carrying a bag of skittles and now he's dead, shot dead. you're all mothers. to me that's where i would be playing it. in that sense, although people are saying it looks better to the zimmerman team, i'm not sure. >> i would agree with my old friend jeffrey in that i think this is a very fair panel based

upon all of the life experiences and background of the six of the jurors that ultimately have been chosen. what is so fascinating to me is that you do have a woman on this panel who used to have a cwp, a concealed weapons permit but she let it lapse which indicates maybe she got involved because her husband wanted her to get involved but she didn't want to carry around a gun. we know there will be issues about guns, about self-defense and i think from the perspective of what both sides are looking for, the defense could have been looking at women in such a way that they probably and the research they did before this case evaluated the fact that women don't normally get into physical altercations and fights. i mean, we get into verbal altercations but not physical, and as such, women would be better because they are not relying on their own personal experience.

they will listen more to the experts brought out in this case. >> yeah, piers, also, let's keep in mind among the alternates there are two men and there is always the possibility that one of -- or more of the men will become jurors if something happens to one of the current jurors. also, this is a self-defense case, and that's really important, and that may be something that appeals very strongly to women jurors. >> let's move onto the other big legal case, the amanda knox case. it took a fascinating twist where amanda knox and her boyfriend have been ordered back to italian court having had the appeal, which released them overturned again. jeffrey toobin, what is going on because it seems they are relying, the judge is who called them back on a theory that the original reason for what happened was a sex game gone wrong?

>> they are but just to cut to the chase here, if i am amanda knox, i'm going to go exactly nowhere. i'm going to say on the west coast of the united states. i'm not going back to italy. i'm not fighting this case. yes, down the line, if this goes to a conviction upheld on appeal, they could extradite her later. extradition is a rare and difficult process. if i were her, i would just keep the heck out of this all together and get on with my life inside the united states and only inside the united states. >> we've got some pictures from the daily mirror newspaper in england which had remarkable pictures. this is of amanda knox with raphael taken in new york, we believe either yesterday or the day before -- i think the day before. and i was a bit struck by the

fact they are clearly very, very love dove perhaps they are back together but regardless from that from a legal point of view, they are seen like this together when they have been ordered back to court? >> i don't know if they knew a photo has been taken. i know she's made clear she has a boyfriend now, a different boyfriend than the one in italy, and they have suffered together. they suffered in italian prison together and they have gone through quite a bit. so i'm not surprised she embraced him and i'm not sure we should read anything more into that embrace except they will suffer more together. >> as jeffrey toobin says, if they take his advice and stay here and don't go to italy, what happens to this case? >> i think she's made it clear she's not going to voluntarily go back to italy and who among us can blame her? >> is there any participant of the legal process that can force her to go back? >> again, if they trey to

extradite her perhaps but i had a case in italy years ago and i don't have a lot of confidence in the italian legal process. >> they can't decide what they think of them. it does drag it out again for them and for meredyth's family back in britain. still, i know they are in deep grief and mourning. i know her father and it's another unnecessary elongation of the torment. anyway, we'll see what happens. my guess is jeffrey toobin's sense is right and they will go nowhere. jeffrey toobin, thank you-all very much, indeed. >> thank you. when we come back from a segway straight to my studio, in the chair, he created apple with steve jobs and now steve tells me what he thinks of the new jobs movie starring ashton kutcher. >> i was working on it. >> exactly, exactly for your own. for you. it's what you wanted. it's what your gut, your instinct wanted. your brain wanted something that didn't exist so you just reeled

it into existence.

this is freedom. this is freedom to create and do and build and artist, as individuals. >> look, you're overreacting, even if you developed this for freaks like us and i doubt you are, nobody wants to buy a computer, nobody. >> how did somebody know what they want if they have never even seen it? >> the founders of apple allegedly before they changed the world.

that's from the upcoming movie, jobs starring ashton kutcher. what do you think of the guys playing you? >> i want to see the movie. i know it didn't play the scene like the way the talk went. >> i know, this scene apparently has you doubting that anyone is ever going to want to buy a computer. is that true? >> no, it's the opposite. it was myself convincing steve jobs these great social revolutions would be made possible by this device. he didn't suggest we start a computer company then. i was inspired by others that spoke at the club, which steve did not and he was in oregon and i told him what these would do to people for people and i had this great decision that i had given away so when we start the company i had given it away and he said let's start it to make one part. >> they have that one fact completely wrong, are you confident?

>> i hope i'll enjoy it like i enjoyed the other. >> there are two things you came with. you came on a segway. i want to make a confession. i went on a segway for five minutes in los angeles. i fell off and clean fractured five remembers and semi collapsed a lung. in order, it nearly killed me. >> let me tell you, i found out they are not allowed on the prom nod anything with wheels and motors so i got off and pushed it aside. >> extremely wise. i think the creator of the segway died last year or the year before falling off a cliff on his segway. >> not the creator, the guy that bought the company did fall off a cliff. they don't know exactly how and on a segway, you can hit a bump, a hole in the ground, you can topple. even though there is no element law in california, i always wear a helmet. >> you'll never -- >> you don't fall.

>> you do fall. i fell and nearly killed myself. >> you probably didn't turn it on like george bush. >> [ laughter ] >> i was going 12 miles an hour, the dang thing nearly killed me. let's move on to two things i do want. your watch, what does this do? >> this watch, i saw it along time ago on somebody's hand at a computer show and explained to me, when i turned my wrist, hours minutes. nice big -- >> that's fantastic. >> what are those? >> those are old vacuum tubes running on high volts, 140 volts inside and even though it's waterproof i wouldn't take it in the bath and expect to live. the reason i wear it is not because it's unusual. that's why first but i could have gone back to a normal watch. my brain is working less hard to read these digits. >> that's great. >> i can feel i'm not thinking as deeply and hard and that's what technology is supported to do. >> you already have the biggest brain in america.

we know. this is what i love the most. explain this. >> these are pads made by a printer in my hometown -- >> hold that up. that is a pad of 2 dollar bills. >> yes, and of course, you can tear them off just like green stamps because they are nicely done for convenience. >> is that legal tender? >> let me tell you, a lot of things about it are kind of fishy and hold it on the corner so you don't get ink on your hands but secret service approved them three times. two they saw them and once they read me my miranda rights and i gave them a fake id saying i was laser safety officer and the secret service bought that. that was probably the crime. >> you are completely -- >> it turns out these bills actually meet the specs of the u.s. government so by law they are u.s. legal tender. >> you got eight there. what would you sell them for?

>> all over the world ill sold them for $5 a sheet. >> so you would sell me $8 worth for $5? >> yeah, four of these bills for $5. >> why would i not buy this entire pad now and make 100 buck? >> there is so many people around, i want to spread the joy. i'll sell you one. >> let's talk about the edward snowden whistle blowing story, the nsa thing. are you a fan of somebody like edward snowden? >> yes, i'm not going -- you know, there are some people that just take sides in the world and i'm always against anything government, you know, any three letter agency or for them because i'm on the opposite side and i'm not like that. i try to say what is happening here but i felt about edward snowden about daniel ellsberg, changed my life -- >> i interviewed him a couple days ago -- >> you read the facts. it's a government of for and by the people. we pay for it and discover something that our money is

being used for that just can't be that level of crime. >> but if geniuses like you wouldn't create computers, they wouldn't be snooping around. >> i feel guilty about that. we created computers to free them up, give them instant communication, any thought you could share freely and overcome government restrictions. we didn't realize in the digital world there are ways to use it to control us, snoop on us. in the old days of mailing letters and when you got an envelope that was sealed, nobody saw it. when it's e-mail it cannot be private, anyone can listen. >> given the speed of technology advancing all the time, computers, laptops, where will we be in ten years time? >> they will get smarter and smarter and more like humans. right now we're speaking commands. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. it's frustrating when you speak the command and your phone doesn't know it, it will get

better and better in the next ten years. we'll get wearable technology that's smaller and more convenient. >> we found a great clip of steve jobs in 1994. i want to play it to you. a similar theme. >> all the work i've done in my life will be obsolete by the time i'm, you know, 50. this is not a field where one paints a painting and it will be looked at for centuries or builds a church that will be admired and, you know, looked at in astonishment for centuries. you do your work and in ten years is obsolete and will not be usable within ten or 20 years. >> i thought that was fascinating, so accurate because he's so right. i mean, the stuff we're using now in ten years time, nobody will use it. >> old videos in formats that you have to dig out just to play them. so we are losing a lot of history that way.

fast change of technology. >> i never met steve jobs but i really miss him as a presence in the world. you must, i mean, known him so well, miss him 100 times more. >> i miss him much more horribly. the last time i was on your show, he was very ill just before his death and it's very difficult. the world lost a lot and you don't necessarily recreate it but it could always come up now and then with people in the future. >> what do you think of apple because they are coming under a lot of threat from other companies? i watched the recent public performance and i thought, you know what, this is where they really miss steve jobs because he was such a great showman and marketer. i thought he would say we don't have enough pizazz or excitement here. his annual address to the world was a great, big thing. this was a damp squid. >> there is ideas of invasion where you make things better and then there is invasion. with invention there is totally

different way to do things. people didn't expect an affordable technology and apple had history of that under steve jobs but those products are rare. where does the next product come from? they don't come up that often. sometimes you get to a plateau and wait and wait and wait and if you're trying to make the product so perfect every single human being on earth would want it, and that's what apple does. >> what did kim and kanye's baby look like and the reason i'm asking you that is because you're one of the fee people alive that met the world's most famous baby. explain yourself. >> i've seen a lot of babies and that represents the love between the people and the love kim was showing to kanye, just because he was interested in technologies and companies as a birthday present she had me up there to meet him. >> unbelievable. >> i think she's doing

everything she can to show her love to hermann. >> sweet little baby. >> as far as you can tell. >> do you know the baby's name? >> i do not know the baby's name. i don't -- >> they didn't slip up. >> i believe the world knows the baby's name when it gets selected on legal documents. >> has that not happened yet because i find it amusing you may know the answer. >> i put in a commit the mother of my children, her and five other siblings was born without a name and the family waited for a name suggested by an accident. i like that creative approach. who knows what they will do. >> steve -- >> i just wish -- i wish there wasn't that much attention because the paparazzi is just a horrible factor in some people's lives. >> it is. but the trouble is somebody like kim, i really like kim kardashian but you can't complain about the paparazzi when you sell things for millions of dollars about your life. >> i'm talking about kanye.

>> but he married kim. >> yeah but -- >> they are not married, are they? >> no. >> they probably will get married. >> it's a shame of what they want to do. when they want to take somebody and attack them and when it looks like it's time to boost them up -- >> when you dance with the devil you get pricked by the horns? i do like the kardashians. i think what they do is great. they work hard, but trying to fight a privacy debate on their behalf seems to me a little beyond the pail. >> some privacy. >> maybe. >> maybe. >> a tad. >> a tad. >> steve, i could talk to you-all night. will you come back soon and do a longer interview? >> i sure will. >> when you come it's like eating a donut, i want another one. >> talk about the chinese and japanese is coming in and watch them carefully they are trying to steal secrets and steve said we do the same thing spying,

right? and the fbi said no, we don't. >> really? >> i knew what steve was saying. the other people in the room might have believed the fbi, but why can't we get truth? to me the truth is the' piece of all good. i would like to know a lot of times the truth, and there is closeness and openness. openness is share a lot of the truth and i'm pretty much far out on the open side. i don't want to say i'm absolute is 100% one way or another. i want to find the dividing line. when you talk about the nsa and richard snowden. >> edward. >> it's government three letter agency and lie and hold things secret and there is a reason for them and good reason. they belong in here but we had them in the society when i was a young kid and i taught the bill of rights and how accusers had to make an acquisition stick and get a court order when you have reasonable evidence. when you have one person you don't know if he's lying or not you get these wmd stories and track down every bad angle.

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stock on wall street as the market takes the biggest plunge of the year so far, the economy is getting better, what is behind this news tonight? we have our guests, welcome to you-all. the housing market is getting stronger, everything is getting stronger and ben bernanke opens his mouth and wall street collapses? >> he said the economy -- >> why?

>> they have this thing where you sell on the news and buy on the fear. they like to go out there and make a big stink when anything happens. bernanke said the economy is getting better so we'll stop buying bonds and plowing money into the economy. people said we've been used to this for five years. the fed is propping up the economy. >> interest rates will go up. >> they are. 2.4% today which is high compared to where it's been recently, historically low but high to where it's been. >> is there any sensible rational or is it taking money because they are greedy pigs? >> your phrase. there is never any sense to what wall street does, never. i said that before on this program. >> abby huntsman, do you have anything to say about the global economy? >> absolutely. i'm an expert on anything finance. the stock market goes up and down every day based on the news. i think to bring it back down to every indication shows we are moving in the right direction you look at the housing market,

the confidence in consumers, those are all positive signs. >> this is why i love abby huntsman because she's a republican that will admit the economy is going under the right direction under obama's watch. one piece of news that might become problematic is obviously -- or at least a rumor bernanke might be stepping down because people feel he might be leading to a devaluing of the dollar because of the moves he's making. but i think it's ultimately a bad move. i think ultimately that may destabilize in the short term more than anything else. >> you have to talk about the unemployment. that's the most important part of the economic conversation. unemployment is 7.6% and that's just people that are looking for jobs. we're talking about probably over 20 million people that need full time work. >> we'll get more jobs reports tomorrow, i think, and it will -- you're right, it's still, very, very high isn't it, guy, unacceptably high?

>> i got to challenge mark for a second. what bernanke does has nothing to do with the dollar. whether he stays or goes doesn't matter. jenna will get the job does if she doesn't somebody else will and it won't be a lot of change. it's a great chance for obama to put a democrat in there for the first time since 1981 but if he doesn't, there is nothing they will do in the short term that will change anything. >> i want to move on quickly if we can to gay conversion therapy because i love this story. let's watch a clip of alan chambers. this is a man from the christian ministry group exdous international. he's now broken down and seen the error of his ways. >> i'm sorry for the pain and the hurt that many of you experienced. i'm sorry that many of you spent years working through shame and

guilt you felt when your attractions didn't change. i'm sorry we promoted sexual orientation efforts and theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents. >> so abby huntsman, i'm pleased he made this big apology. the reality is he's been a pretty poisonous individual running a pretty poisonous organization. >> yeah, you would like to say this a courageous move but it shouldn't have been going on to begin with. you hear from folks that have gone through the program that thought very seriously about taking their life. it's a very serious program we're talking about. i think it's the right thing not only to cancel the program and come out with an apology. this is a positive move talking about equal rights. we're evolving on this issue at a different pace. >> also, he is evolving because he has a wife and children mr. alan chambers.

he previously identified himself as gay but acknowledged he has on going same sex attractions. the guy is a hypocrite whose been causing a lot of suffering to people, and i'm glad as i say he's apologized but a little too late. >> it's a little too late. i had sympathy for him because he grew up in a culture and community where he was told that his own same sex attraction was unhealthy, evil, maybe unchristian like. he was taught he was a bad person for what he felt and passed that on to others. this is a struggle because we have a struggle for equal rights and a medical establishment and psychological establishment for too long said gay is wrong. if we move to equal rights, we have to know being gay and getter loving is a feeling that is natural and normal and people have from birth. that's so important. so i hope to eliminate all of these organizations and there is prominent politicians linked to these organizations or their spouses are like michele bachmann and i hope they are called to the carpet.

>> we have to frame this in the context of the news. the supreme court will come out with decisions on defensive marriage and prop 8 and i think it's relevant. >> do you think it's indicative of a seat change now coming through america quite quickly? >> i think it's coming, the question is how quickly will people get out of the way when it does. >> let's take a short break. even stay right there. when we come back, if you passed a baby on a balcony, would you stand there and urge it to run into your arms from two floors up? in order, would you try and catch a baby flying through the air with the risk that you may be responsible for it's death because that is what a very famous sports coach daughter did. i'm looking at you wondering what the answer to that question is.

ok, well, remember last week when you hit vinny in the head with a shovel? [chuckling] i do not recall that. of course not. well, it was too graphic for the kids, so i'm going to have to block you. you know, i got to make this up to you. this is vinny's watch.

i'm talking to 911. >> you're talking to the baby. and your positioning yourself. >> i'm positioning myself. i'm the teacher so intuitively i do what needs to be done in the moment without thinking too much, i think. >> what is going through your mind? >> honestly just catch -- if the baby falls i need to try to catch him. >> an extraordinary story. former yankee manager's daughter catch as baby falling from the second floor of a baby.

kyle is breaking the news and abby hunts man. abby, you're passing the street, right? you see a baby, it's about to tumble down two floors, are you that heroing? are you going to stand there and catch that baby knowing one false move and it could die? >> it's so different reading it and putting it in prospective when you see exactly how far the baby fell, i mean, the chances of it slipping through your arms is actually very, very high. that aside, though, i think you always go with your gut instinct and you want to catch the baby. i mean, especially in her position. he's a well-known woman. if anything happens, a lot of attention would be put on the story. you want to save the baby. that's what i would do. >> mark lamont hill, are you the great baby saver? you might have the guts. i've got a baby daughter. i assume i would have the guts to do what she did. >> your hands -- >> how are your hands? >> you got quite big hands. he has big hands. he would be all right. mine are quite delicate little things.

i would like to think with four kids i would do what she did but i got to say it was extraordinarily brave. >> it was incredibly brave. many people pass by and don't pay attention to surroundings, she paid attention and saw what was going on. she had the courage to catch the baby. she's awesome. she's matched in awesomeness by how terrible the parents were that let a baby walk out and risk death. how do you let your kid do that? >> where are the parents? who are the parents? >> she's calling 911 and saying somebody has to come help this kid and i'll stand here and see what happens. the other choice, climb the balcony. >> it was a long way up. that was a long way up and extraordinary thing. she saved the baby's life. the parents are on arraignment for child endangerment charges. good job done and i'm sure your watching, not game seven but this instead.

it was a good thing to do. let's move quickly, this is one of the most extraordinary things i've read all year. there is a bunch of women -- i'm interviewing them tomorrow night that are called the pop moms, a group of mothers in beverly hills here in california that insists smoking marijuana makes them better wives and better parents. one of them said, you have to give credit for this logic. doing something none toxic and god given plant but moms that suck back chardonnay like sports drinks is hard to swallow. i experience other mother tieing one on. >> these are the mothers from the kid on the balcony? >> good point. >> are you kidding me. >> marijuana intoxication isn't legal. >> is it any worse than guzzling chardonnay? >> if you have children in your care, you shouldn't be guzzling anything, right?

just to get it back to what we're talking about. be sensible. have a glass of wine but come on, use your head. >> abby, quickly, would you rather be guzzling chardonnay or have the few chucky splits. >> i wonder if you're hanging out with them or hanging out with them on the mother daughter night. >> if you're eating chips. >> let me ask you one quick question in 30 years time will there be any state in time that out laws marijuana. >> texas and utah -- >> don't rip on utah. don't rip on utah. >> don't rip on texas. i love texas. it's the sir alex jones charter i can't stand. >> great debate as always. and if you're tuning in tomorrow night, we're having a pot special the entire hour is a great debate about marijuana. it will be a great watch. >> it will. behind the scenes of the

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♪ >> the sound of sunday nights for millions of american, the theme from hbo's "sopranos" james gandolfini. the night tony soprano disappeared, adapted from his book, "difficult men from the sopranos and the wire to "mad men" and "breaking bad." thank you for joining me. it really was a trail blazer, "the sopranos" wasn't it? >> i can't say you can't change

the landscape the degree to which gandolfini's performance made that possible. >> you were on set for many of the episodes of the last season of "the sopranos." tell me about james gandolfini as an actor and a performance? >> well, i was able to watch him three or four times over the course of that season and i wrote today on gq.com that when i have grandchildren i'll tell them i saw michael jordan play basketball and i saw james gandolfini play tony soprano. it was, you know, usually a film set is an entirely torturous set to spend time at all, it's boring, it's deadly. yet, watching him do the mundane

scene was utterly hypnotizing. every take he did would be a shade different. he knew that character so intimately that it was like watching a real live person and i think that that is a part of what, that power came through almost all of his performancesed on that show. >> the key thing i always felt with him because of the kind of man he was in real life, a very warm sensitive guy, john travolta told an interesting story this morning, i was watching how his son died, james gandolfini rushed to his side to make sure he was okay. he's an incredibly caring man, playing this evil monster, but he was able give that monster a humanity that made him an empathetic character. made him a template for other characters to come. >> it's hard to remember now how radical it was to have a leading man like him, that looked like, first of all, and acted like tony soprano and once we broke through that, you know, we started to accept tony sopranos on practically every show on

tele56. it was because he had that depth, he was able to bring a kind of relatability, a sadness, a kind of a depth to the character that worked alongside the terrible things he was doing in all the terrible ways in which he acted. and that is the, in my boork i argue that's the defining, redefining trade of what this i'm calling the third golden age of television. >> right. thank you so much for joining me. i want to leave this segment with a little clip from inside the actor's studio in 2004, obviously by james lipton, particularly poignant given james gandolfini's tragic death. let's watch this. >> if heaven exist, what would you like to hear good say when you arrive at the pearly gates? >> take over for a while, i'll be right back.

no. no, no. >> that's it. that's it. >> oh, no, no. >> you dare not change it. it's too good. >> think of the possibilities.

listen, your story line, it makes for incredible tv drama. thing is, your drug use is too adult for the kids,

so i'm going to have to block you. oh, man. yeah. [inhales] well, have a good one. you're a nice lady.

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