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♪ i've already had to go through several layers of steel doors that close and open behind you. >> correct. >> i mean, frankly, i don't even know if i'm going to get out. now, where are we? what are we approaching right now? this looks like some kind of guard -- >> right, this is what we call a housing unit. this is a tower set up for us, we have a tower in the middle. since this is closed custody it's manned by three officers. we do security walks every 25 minutes and when they're in the housing units they have to have two officers when they're with that custody level of an inmate. >> are all the corrections officers here female that deal with the females? >> no, not necessarily. we do have male officers that

work here. they are pretty much limited to towers. they can walk in the housing units. they're just not assigned to dormitories. >> now, let me just digest that a moment. they're mostly limited to the towers? >> there are mostly female staffed here, however, we do have a small section of males that work here. there are some places they can work. they can work in the tower because they're not in their dormitory, which would be them disrobed at any one time. they might be disrobed in their cells. however, there's usually a door and the officers are trained to just do the security walk. >> try to stay clean. try ton go back to -- as soon as i'm -- like i was saying on the camera earlier, as soon as i leave here it's just a bus ride away till i hit the pipe again. crystal meth is my drug of choice. just try to stay clean. call someone, get someone to stand by me and keep me locked up out there, you know. on a chain or something where it's harder to get -- slower to

get there by the time you get to the drugs. >> so to me, you sound like you're still addicted. >> i know i'm addicted. >> okay. >> i know i'm addicted. >> is anybody else still addicted to something? >> very much. >> what? >> crystal meth. >> ecstasy. crystal meth, ecstasy. >> okay. i've never done any drug at all. not even weed. so what does meth do to you? because i'm sure you've seen the before and after pictures. >> yeah. >> have you seen that? they look like a living skeleton, with like scabs all over their face and their teeth are falling out, all of that. you've seen it, right? >> it was a sexual thing for me when i did it. >> what now? >> it was a sexual thing for me when i did it. >> what? >> meth. >> i know, but what? >> sexual -- what do you mean, sexual? what? >> just to have sex. that's what it was about. >> you mean getting -- it makes the sex better? >> everything. both. >> how does it make the sex better? >> your whole body's more -- experiment more. you're more sensual.

your touch is a lot more sensitive than it normally is. >> sometimes i don't get like that. >> i do. >> sometimes i'm real evil. >> i'm sensing that. i'm getting that whole evil vibe thing. >> i'm a really good person. i'm really funny, too. i'm really funny. >> i keep feeling the evil. i do not want to see you on meth. >> it's in my police report, which i'm pretty sure you read. >> yeah. but right now you just seem so sweet. >> i'm like the coolest person ever. i will like have you 100% -- >> but i get the feeling you on meth that's a whole other thing. >> no, no. i'm just incredibly freaking -- what's his name? like hail hitler kind of way. i'm not good on it. my family hates it. >> but is it in you that you think about it when you're behind bars and you want it? >> no, you don't think about it. i don't start thinking about it until -- it's like a feeling you crave as soon as you hit

outside. as soon as i hit outside it's like what could you do now? instead of like going to your mom's or going to the clinic or something, you want to go back to that night you were arrested. that's how it feels for me. >> i want to go back to that -- >> that's how it always feels for me. >> done go back to the party. >> nobody's around anymore. >> but when i first started doing meth, it was to lose weight. >> you know, their minds -- >> did you say they need it? >> i know i need counseling. >> you need it. >> i might have said that. >> uh-huh. >> to me -- >> i got that. >> to me this is -- >> i know when i walk out i'm not doing nothing. i'm good. i'm good. i won't even drink. >> this place is as neat as a pin. >> that's a female housing unit.

we actually get lucky. the females usually keep it clean. >> do they have to keep it clean themselves? >> yes, we have trustees that work in the kitchen, in the hallways. the inmates of course that are unsentenced are not authorized out here. but out at the tents where you're going to be later all the trustees live throughout and they have their jobs in here. of course we have mail trustees. females come in here, serve food, clean up the housing units, mop the floors, stuff like that. >> male trustees come in here? >> no. males are at the male facilities. >> males come in here -- recipe for trouble. >> before, we had a hallway of males and a hallway of females and we were like traffic plooet police. we had to stop the boys and -- >> a lot of time that i am missing with my children, although they know i love them i'm not your average drug addict. i'm intelligent and articulate and i have all the tools that i need in order to succeed. i just never bothered to do so. i've tried but i've failed repeatedly. so i think it's really

important to me to show my children that i can succeed, that i'm not a failure, that i do love them. that even though mommy was there all the time she wasn't the best mommy that she could have been. and their dad's in prison. he's doing ten years. so you know, they don't even know what it's like to have a stable household. except for through foster care. and i'm thankful for that, but i would like to be able to provide them the stability of a mother, that a mother is supposed to. so those are my two biggest things, my kids and sign language are probably the two biggest things that are the most important to me. >> why did you plead instead of going to trial? >> at the end of the day if you lose that trial sometimes you're look at more time than you would. >> you are looking at more time. >> you know what i'm saying? so i just thought it was in my best interest to take the first plea. some people don't take the first plea. they wait for the second. and the second one's worse than the first one. and i didn't want to take that risk. >> well, i remember when i was first prosecuting, i would give

the first plea offer and i would give them another plea counter like two weeks to decide if they wanted it or not. but then when i had to start working the case up, like going out on the street finding witnesses, sending out subpoenas, going to the crime lab, me going out taking pictures, the more i worked the case the higher the deal would be. because that's taking me off cases like rape cases and murder cases, child molestation cases that i really needed to work on. so the more they took me off those the higher that plea -- i'd start off fairly, you know, in the ballpark. >> at least you think about child molts molestation. >> say what? >> they don't think about that in this state. >> first time you get caught on child molestation you get off on probation. >> and then -- >> not in my courtroom, i'm proud to say. >> in california, they are not allowed to walk the yard with regular people here in prison in arizona, when everybody is out they could be walking right among you. >> you see like so many men they

call them -- i forget what they call them, knocks here. in court you see knocks just full and full of nothing but child crimes. and they're laughing sb all going on probation. then you see somebody here with a meth addiction and they're getting sent five years in prison. >> let me ask you a question. and i'm not asking about you in particular. but have you ever seen a case where somebody got, quote, jailhouse justice like a child molester got an ass whipping behind bars for being a child molester? >> i haven't seen that. >> i've seen it -- i don't know. i've seen it a lot -- >> in the female -- >> in jail or prison? >> either one. >> in prison, yeah. very much. >> over here's a joke. these girls are scared to lose their canteen. they're finding -- never mind. they're finding other -- you meet other things. people come to jail and get scared. they do, but they talk a lot. you see all the -- in the day room, they talk big crap, but when it comes down to it they have no unity, and when somebody

comes in that has a horrible crime and the cops raise their voice just another level, they all are scared. >> they'll be at each other's face one day and give it a day and a half they're like buddy-buddy again. it's like we just got on restriction because you were fighting and now you want to be buddy-buddy. >> all the cops do is mention restriction and the girls just -- >> buckle up. because everybody wants their food. >> they will hang out with somebody that molests kids or killed a baby, but they want to say, oh, that's wrong. but you're sitting here hanging out with somebody that seriously like did something disgusting to their child? >> maximum is supposed to be for dangerous inmates, violent crimes, and we've got prostitutes coming in, people for sales, and then you've got people facing really high-profile crimes and going out for a lot of time and our mentality is totally different from somebody that's facing like one year in prison to 20 years in prison. that's where a lot of animosity happens because you've got this girl complaining all day long

about something you're going home to and you're going to come back anyway because we're going to see you six months later because you're going to go out and do the same thing and you've got people that are facing a long amount of time. and that's where most of the fights break out, is the different mindsets. it's supposed to be -- classification is supposed to be completely different here, but it's not. because still everybody together. and it's different. i mean, you can't have somebody have a conversation when they're facing this and you've got somebody facing this. >> it's hard. >> and they're on it constantly nagging and you keep telling them over and over we don't want to hear about, this we don't want to hear about this or we don't know. you try to say it in the nicest way and finally somebody flipped out because they've got so much frustration, like shut [ muted ] up about this stuff. like really? why is she even in the pod with us? like it is a constant battle with the cops, too, they keep getting girls that want to roll out of the pod. and cops can't move a person just because she wants to.

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♪ >> i love you, kid. bye. >> what's the thing you that miss the very most when you're here? and don't say children, because i already know that. what's the thing on the outside that you miss the most? >> shoes. jordans. >> freedom. >> see, i do not care about shoes, clothes, jewelry, cars, nothing. don't care. >> i would miss cooking and getting whatever i wanted to get in the refrigerator. >> going to the store. just being able to walk around. >> i miss my freedom -- >> when you say i miss my freedom, i know that, but what about it exactly? >> not worrying about -- >> turning on the tv. >> being able to go to the bathroom in peace. because if it's not my bunkie then it's a guard walking around. >> music. >> i would say -- we used to have radios here, but we don't have them anymore. they took them.

>> music, my dogs, my family, and my husband. those are the only things that matter to me. >> for me personally the one thing i miss the most that i haven't done in a really long time is spinning fire. like hawaiian style, luau style just spinning some fire and the noise -- >> i don't even know what spinning fire is. >> like go to a luau and you see the guys spinning fire. and the noise it makes. it whizzes past your head, and it's amazing. and that to me is the closest i get to heaven on earth. that's the most peaceful i am. aside from family and stuff like that. that's like my thing that i do when i'm out there. if i can find something to light on fire and spin around my head, guaranteed i'm doing that. >> see, i would never have guessed that one. >> yeah. >> okay, what's the very -- the minute you get out, if you had your wish, what would be the first thing you that do when you get out? >> beside children? >> yeah.

>> i'm going to cracker barrel to eat. >> eat what at cracker barrel? >> a chicken fried steak, green beans and potatoes and macaroni and cheese. >> that's what my brother gets. chicken fried steak. >> yeah. >> okay. >> i would go to joe's crab shack. i miss seafood. honestly, when i get out, i'm actually debating whether or not to go back east with the family, tennessee or kentucky. i haven't decided yet. but i'm out of here. arizona's not for me anymore. i'm born and raised here, i've been here all my life. i'm 32 years old, and i just seem to continuously keep getting myself into something, whether it's intentional or not intentional, you know, by accident. >> start over somewhere else? >> just start new somewhere. >> you're not tied down with children. >> that's right. >> you don't have anything you have to do here. leave. >> that's right. >> if you had children, a whole other ball game. >> that's right. >> what's the first thing? >> me? >> i know you have a good feeling about your case. >> i want to go home and just kick back with my family and

barbecue. some hot dogs, some steaks. play with my dogs in the back yard. go swimming. just fresh air. just give hugs and kisses. and hopefully my husband will be with me. i really miss him. it's been hard this last seven months without him. i'm not allowed to talk to him. so -- >> can you even write letters? >> no. we're co-defendants, so -- >> what? >> co-defendants. so we can't write. but he's got my back. we know what happened. >> you can't write each other at all? >> no. >> i didn't know that. i thought that authorities would want them to write each other in case they said something in the letter that they could use against them. >> her husband did petition -- we submitted a copy of the marriage license from jail. and they did not -- >> i mean, i get it. i understand that. but i mean, as a prosecutor i

loved it when people wrote letters to each -- or letters to anybody. >> where do they meet with their lawyers? >> we have a legal visitation area. there are four legal cells back there. it's divided somewhat with like a mesh screen, but there's a document pass-through. so they can have contact with their attorney through paperwork to sign or things to look at, what have you. or if their custody level is lower, they can have face-to-face visitation. >> that mesh pushed through -- how thick -- >> probably about an inch and a half, maybe an inch, inch and a half. just enough to get -- a lot of times if it's discovery is very thirk, very bi thick, very big, they'll have to piece it through there a little bit at a time. (gasp) nope. aw! guys! grrrr let's leave the deals to hotels.com. (nice bear!) ooo! that one! nice!

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♪ now, let's talk about tats. let's talk about your tats. okay? because i can't help -- now, did you ever think that if you did, and i'm not saying you did, but if you did commit a crime you would be easily identifiable? >> no. because i always cover up. >> smart. okay. let's see what you've got. >> this is not finished because i have to have surgery on my neck. so it was gf. my neighborhood at the time when i was into gangs. >> which was? >> east side garfield. >> can't stop won't stop? >> stop what? >> can't stop won't stop. >> none of my vices. >> and the tear? >> the tear drop? no comment. >> what is the tear drop for? >> there is a lot of different meanings. >> i know. i know.

i was a prosecutor for ten years, inner city atlanta. i get it. so what's right there? >> pain before pleasure. >> why? >> my life. >> okay. >> i got loyalty. my daughter. my mom. >> i want to see the daughter. >> it's kind of a smile and -- that's smile and carlita. a rose. because my nickname's blossom. green eyes, my mother -- >> this one's going away. >> i kind of carved it out. >> oh, god. i assume that means you dug it out of your skin. married to the game. >> yeah. >> and the game is? >> the streets. >> your lifestyle. >> all right, let's see yours. denied? >> yeah, i was going to get -- i was going to go along -- couple of years ago when i was in here, i got denied. i was going to get -- once denied my freedom with handcuffs

here, when i didn't. >> okay. i'm glad you didn't. what is that? >> this used to be somebody's name, and i actually covered it up to resemble -- >> whose name was it? >> a woman. >> i know. but you broke up. >> tina. >> you broke up? >> and this actually resembles -- she's one, i'm one, and then another. >> anything else for me? >> yeah. i got this. it's not finished. >> and that means? >> i'm on the cusp of capricorn and aquarius. so i did a water pouring -- >> now, what are your -- you're capricorn and aquarius. that makes you what kind of person? >> i'm on the cusp. i'm an amazing person. >> i'm on the cusp of scorpio. i don't nae what that means. >> that means you're an amazing person. >> yeah. okay.

♪ how often do they get to use the phones? >> for these guys, they're out 16 hours a day. so minus head counts or any emergencies they have access to it about 16 hours a day. >> who changes the channel? >> we do. >> shouldn't that be on hln? >> they don't unfortunately -- >> what do they get?

>> they get very limited channels. nothing local. it's mostly weather channel, food channel, sheriff joe channel. food network. >> what's the sheriff joe channel? >> we have a sheriff joe channel that kind of -- he can access and put tapes on. we can run a tape like for christmas. for a while, he was reading to the inmates at night. we'd put on a tape, and he would read stories to the inmates. >> such as? >> i don't know the books. but he would read. and it would be over the tv. he would be sitting in front of a fireplace. ♪ >> what's the hole? >> it's lockdown where you're 23 hours a day in a cell by yourself. >> okay. i don't want to go to the hole or whatever that is. >> i've been in closed custody. that's like the hole.

>> i spent 30 days in the hole. >> if you would kick a door in, you would totally be in the hole. >> yeah. i did six months closed custody. >> you are -- why did you go in the hole? >> i actually went because -- it was so petty, actually, to be honest with you. >> okay. >> i was out at rec and i found a couple of pieces on the ground that were metal pieces, and instead of giving them to my favorite officer right away, i -- she found it on me and sent me to the hole for 30 days. >> what would you do with -- what's a metal piece? >> it was an l-bracket and three small rings. that's what i said. what am i going to do with these? >> what were you going to do with them? >> i wasn't going to do anything with them. give them to her. but she beat me to it. we were at rec for like 30 minutes when we had an hour, she was like everybody put your

hands on the wall. and i was like oh, shoot, i have these, and i gave them to her. she took me to my cell, stripped me out, took me to lockdown. i was fighting it back there but i lost. >> jail is what prison is, but jail, no. >> yeah, prison is a lot more like that rather than county jail, you know? people just numb their body with a drug or alcohol or whatever it is that they're addicted to. and everybody knows that when you put -- when you numb your body like that, you don't normally feel the pain that you would when you're sober. >> so you don't care. >> and you're not thinking, you are not you know, thinking clearly so you go out and do things that you wouldn't normally do. you know, some people come in here and brag about it, and they think they're something and they're not. >> and then they come in here, falling apart. >> and it is usually the ones that brag about it, they're usually nothing, you know what i mean? it is all because they were numbing their body or they had

that gun behind them or that knife. you know. >> i want to say something. i wasn't on drugs or alcohol when i had my situation. and i really think that it's a battle within my mind and my upbringing. so i'm going to get some deep counseling to kind of help me cope with what's up under -- >> what do you think it is? >> you mentioned something about how you were raised? >> yeah, just abandonment. just not being loved. just always being abandoned. and i don't know, i just -- >> your mother left? >> yeah, i never was with my mom. she was like with motorcycle gangs. she moved to arizona when i was 9, 10 years old. so i came here for five years. and i don't remember anything. we lived in phoenix back in the '80s, west hontal somewhere, wherever that is.

just being abandoned a lot. and i had to work a lot of times to take care of myself. she never could be with us to say i love you and spend time. you know, so i did that with my children. but then i got to the point in time where they got older and i just threw my hands up. my kids were old enough, i thought they were that i had raised them that they could fend for themselves, and that was the big mistake that i chose drugs. and i think that is why my daughter has the hardest time forgiving me at. is she's my only girl. and i wasn't there. i wasn't there for the menstrual part of her life. i wasn't with her for a lot of things. and there was always another woman with her dad that caused problems. >> okay, help me -- okay. if you could give me one piece of advice as a -- to be a good mother, what would it be? i already don't do drugs.

i already don't drink. so forget about that. >> spend as much time as you can, just to say i love you -- >> my boss is sitting right behind me. so you can tell him i need more time off with my children. >> say i love you amuch as possible and hold and hug and just let that child feel love. >> yeah. >> always. >> hold them. squeeze them. kiss them. >> even just saying -- my mom worked a lot when i grew up, and i hate the fact that she thinks it's her fault that i became a drug addict and a bad mother. but thanks mom, i don't think -- don't think that i don't remember you getting up at 11:00 in the morning to be a nurse, or making sure thanksgiving that we didn't have a turkey on the table, that we did. no matter what, even if it was not a paid week, every 15 days, just thanks mom. and you are appreciated. ♪

>> some of these cablings are for new camera systems. some of the cabling is for -- we have a video visitation system in the back for public defenders and stuff so they don't have to come down here and see their clients as much. >> all of their visitations and phone calls are recorded, correct? >> visitation not so much. because there's legal visitation that goes on there. their phone calls -- >> not a lawyer visitation. >> right. in the main room it's video recorded. correct. >> good. ñe [ male announcer ] for diarrhea, you take kaopectate.

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♪ when you are sitting here and you're thinking how am i going to stay sane for the next nine years, you're thinking about what are you going to do with this child different than what happened with the last time. and they did not go to foster care because your mom did not pick up the phone. they went to foster care because you are in jail. >> yes. >> so maybe if she could have picked up the phone she could have put it off. but you've got a chance now with this one. i mean, what do you think about to keep your head straight in here? i mean, i'm not saying -- everybody has screwed up, not just you. everybody has.

>> different society, different community. i think about leaving phoenix all the time. >> why are you crying? >> just to get away -- because it's a lot of -- i just see -- i hear the stories and people ask me all the time. i think maybe if i was in a different area, maybe i had a different group of friends -- >> that is not crazy. >> maybe i could join a parenting group this time. >> haven't you ever heard that thing, birds of a feather? if you could get away from that influence and start somewhere else. >> yeah. >> you know, people change their scenery all the time to try to start over. >> but you can't run -- >> i'm not saying run. i'm saying start over. >> i have been changed around, too, but if your vice is there and you haven't had any kind of help or tools to change that, you're going to go back to what you know. >> it's all about self-control. >> here's the thing. who has ever been hung up on dope? i don't care what it is. weed, crack, cocaine, heroin, meth, whatever. doesn't matter.

>> of course. all of us. >> booze, alcohol. it gets in you you can't shake it. >> somebody is here for ten years and they get out and go back to that same old behavior, they're plain and simple addicts. that's all it is. >> and they don't want to change. >> yeah. they don't want to change. they're not going to. after ten years, really, you're going to go back and go to that same life-style? something is wrong. >> if you still get high in prison, you will get high on the streets. i don't care if it's a pill. i don't care what it is. >> yep. >> like here a lost girls sedate themselves, they go to psych and stay on all of those pills. and they don't need their pills. like when they do the ranges of how many people in the prison system is crazy, that's so wrong. because probably zero percent of them are crazy. there are some of them that are crazy. officers know that because after a while she see somebody that's cuckoo and they send them to the psych hospital. everybody else is getting high. >> they're either doing it to get high or go to sleep, to pass the time. >> all the ratings they do

nationally wide about how many people are crazy is so full of it. >> yeah. because a large percentage of the people that are getting medication, getting medicated while they're in jail or prison, more so in jail i would say -- >> i would say more so in jail, because prison, it's different over there. >> it's different, but more so in jail a large percentage of the people getting medicated are using them to get eye, to get away, to escape like they would on the streets. which really doesn't make a lot of sense, because if you're here for drugs would wouldn't you try to change those habits instead of continuing on with the same vicious cycle that you have been repeating your whole life? doesn't make a lot of sense, but people choose to do what they choose to do. ♪

♪ >> has anybody ever escaped from this jail? >> yeah. yeah. we've had escapes. we've had attempted escapes. we've gotten them back. but we have had attempts. we say attempts because we always get them back. >> do they actually leave the grounds? >> the last one jumped off the roof and broke both ankles, feet and back. so she didn't get very far. >> how did she get up on the roof? >> she climbed the rec yard fence. that's what it was. climbed the rec yard fence and went through a bunch of other fencing, got up on the roof, went to the corner of the building and jumped off. >> do you know about the woman who tried to escape from here and broke her legs and her back? >> she was in closed custody with me for a little bit. because i was in closed custody for six months and i -- >> she wanted to get out so bad she broke her back? >> i don't know. i don't know. but there's actually two that

tried to escape and they're both like really young girls that were doing like six months -- like under -- >> they couldn't make it for six months? >> yeah. and jumped over. one jumped over and sat there because she was too high on drugs, and then the other one fell off the roof. the fence or something like that, broke her back, i saw her with a back brace, i am like who is that over there? they're like some dumb -- never mind. >> she only had six months. she broke her back? >> maybe she was just really trying to see if she could do it. if it could really happen. that's what i heard. >> i haven't talked to her myself. >> that's an idiot, faz as far as i'm concerned. >> the walls of this structure, what do you have to keep people from escaping? are there fences, barbed wire? what? >> yeah. all of the above. we have a fencing system. as you noticed there was nothing really outside. there's no trees, no shrubs to hide behind. there's a blank area. there's bright lights. if you come here at 10:00 it

will be you're like at a movie theater it's so bright. well, probably not a movie theater, that's kind of dark. but it's pretty bright. spotlights. and our officers walk every 25 minutes in a circle and check everybody there. that's the first line of defenses, the officer making sure that everybody that's supposed to be there is there. you've got to get down this long narrow hallway. you've got to get through the big steel doors you got through and there's another door behind that one. you've got to wait for it to close. there's a lot of different safety levels you have to go through. >> the biggest clue, the biggest giftaway something's going to happen is when you have a lot of eyes on you. you'll be sitting there watching your housing unit and you'll notice every inmate's watching you. that's because they're looking out, they're trying to see what you're going to do and where you're going to be. and they'll try to go in an area that may not be in direct view of your eyes. and when they do that they usually will put pointers out. they'll put inmates in certain sections to stand watch and let them know the officers are coming. so an officer has been trained

to pay attention that if an inmate has been standing there for a while watching them and half the room has moved this way obviously there's something going on.

aye been to different counties and some counties are not like this. this is the only county that seriously like we only get fed twice. twice a day like be intake

process is so ridiculous. other counties are not that harsh. maricopa county is probably the harshest county i've been to. i don't know if it's by design but maybe it doesn't have enough money to house all the inmates or feed the inmates. >> the pink socks is forreal. everything is pink. does that include underwear? >> yes. >> does anybody care? >> yes. >> i won't wear pink underwear. i only wear the white ones because nobody else has worn them. >> how do you then, what do you just go commando.

>> there's no packet. >> you'll see them come up to you. it comes through the window. >> you can get black underwear. >> a six or eight. >> if you only wear black and they only have white or pink then i assume you do not wear pink underwear. >> we can wash them out and trade them. they come three times a week. we can trade them out. >> she only wears white not black. >> why not pink? >> somebody else wears them. >> somebody else has worn them. >> i would totally agree with that that. >> nobody wears white but you? >> not all. >> the smart ones. >> the ones that use their brain. >> i never seen nothing like this. ever. when i talk to the girls that are here and i tell them some of the things that we had in

california they're like really. they're like we have vendsing machines, we have two tvs. we have opportunity to be out amongest each other all day. one person misses us it's just that one persons fault. here one falls for all.

i've been locked up in

california, oklahoma. i've been locked up in different counties here, and it's so much better. and i know we put ourselves here, that's understandable. we broke the law, and we have to deal with the consequences. but that done mean to the extent that you have to break us and tear us down because we're already torn down. i think it would be nice to give us more programs. we're already in the state of mind where we're going to be institutionalized. we stop complaining because we know grieving really doesn't do nothing. i mean the systems that you've got, you're complaining about food, medical, and how officers treat you. that's an every day thing. >> i know you have children, but you don't have a mother.

>> i lost my mother when i was 11. so i really haven't experienced that. >> what happened to her? >> she was a victim of malpractice. >> all right. give me advice. >> don't hide anything. be honest. >> your kids already know. >> and just let them know everything, with everything, what's going on if this world, because if you keep hiding it and don't tell them, they're going to want to go do it. >> guys, you're so great. thank you. >> thank you. >> i have a snippet to add to you. you should totally tell them to give us extra snacks for this. >> do you have children? a husband on the outside? >> yes. yes.

>> could you take me to the grand canyon? >> well, today we went riding go-carts. trz .