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he said was sheryl johnson. >> the fbi looked hard and never found her. >> we looked hard, and we thought he made it up. >> only then did he turn around to cross back over the bridge again. police would stop him moments later. >> you said, i know this is about those boys, isn't it? >> that's what i said. >> pretty damning statement, don't you think? >> no. i mean, the perception in atlanta was at the time kids were missing, and i think if i'm not mistaken, perception was a lot of young males were miss, and that's what i said this is about those kids, the boys or something like that, isn't it? >> remember what fbi agent mike mccomis said he saw when he got to the scene? >> saw a black male. he had on a baseball hat. >> this is the sketch provided
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by the witness who saw ruby talking to a man the day luby disappeared and died. mccomis had never seen this until we came back to show it to him near 30 years later. >> this is a real strong resemblance to the person that i talked to, wayne williams. he had on a baseball cap. his hair was in an afro, so this is -- this just looks like him. >> williams agreed to let mccomis search his station wagon. on the floor m front of the back seat he saw -- >> there was a nylon cord. the best that i could describe the nylon cord was a ski rope type, the woven type, and it was my guess about 24 inches long. >> williams denies there was any such cord. >> because if that rope had been in the station wagon that night, i'm sure they would have taken it. >> the fact that i didn't confiscate it doesn't make it go away. it was there. >> the nylon cord would never be
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seen again. >> could have been the murder weapon as far as i know. >> reporter: yet, fbi supervisors decided to let wayne williams go that night. >> first, we didn't have a body. secondly, there was no one who saw wayne williams outside of his car. there was no one that saw him throw anything overboard. >> reporter: two days later only a mile downstream from that bridge another body. after two years one suspect now. wayne williams. >> when we come back, the lie detector test. >> it surprised him that he didn't beat that lie detector test. he was convinced key beat a lie detector test. i'll be darn.
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>> the second day after wayne williams was seen on the chattahoochee river bridge, the body of nathaniel washed up downstream. he was on a down on his luck drunk, 28 years old, but small, weighing under 150 pounds. again, the medical examiner said kader could have been killed "with a choke hold, trapping the neck in the crook of the arm." his would be the last body found in the atlanta murders. the 27th male victim. at his funeral, wayne williams' father, homer, took this photo for the atlanta world newspaper. on june 3rd, the fbi brought wayne in for a long night of questioning.
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wayne agreed to a lie detector test. >> he was composed and as calm as you could get. got 26 bodies in the woods, and he was sitting there it with total control. >> richard ratcliffe was the fbi polygraph examiner. >> i said i don't care what you were doing with the river if it wasn't a little boy's body. he told williams in advance what he would tell him. >> did you kill him that night? you were on the bridge, and did you throw nathaniel into the river? when i ran that test it was like, wow, this is it. >> wayne williams flunked all three questions. >> i said, well, this test reflected you did kill nathaniel kader, and it was his body you threw off the bridge that might. >> the polygraph measures sweating, a heart beat, blood pressure. all rise with tension. >> you breathe a little faster. you have a hard time getting your breath. you sweat a little more.
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he did all those. >> wayne williams took the test three times. he failed each time. >> i said some reaction like i'll be darned. you're the guy we've been looking for for two years. it surprised him that he didn't beat that polygraph test. s he was convinced he could beat a polygraph test. he sat there and said what's this question right here? i said that's pretty good. that's did you cause the death of nathaniel kader, and he said what's this question? i said, well, did you throw his body into the chattahoochee river that night. >> with the media waiting outside the fbi, the mayor spokesman angelo was called in to handle the press. >> and in comes homer williams. >> he asked homer, a press photographer, why he was missed the building trying to get a scoop on the suspect? >> and he said, no, that's my son. i thought, oh, jeez.
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>> homer told angelo. >> they detained him and impounded my car for lirting. they detained him for littering is what he said, and i said that doesn't sound right. this is at night. i said littering? he said, yeah, he was driving over this bridge, and he stopped to throw some garbage and, boy, they rushed him and stopped him. at that point i said to him, homer, i don't think you immediate to talk to me anymore. >> we asked wayne williams about throwing garbage off the bridge. he denied his father ever said that. >> your father said you stopped to get rid of some trash. >> no. my father never said that. i never said that. my father never said it. >> while father and son were inside the fbi, evidence technicians were combing the williams' home. the fbi's top fiber expert harold denman led the search. in wayne's bedroom he took clippings from a purple bedspread and from a yellow blanket. >> the yellow blanket was
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located under wayne williams' bed. >> on the floor a green carpet. this is a blow-up of those carpet fibers. >> they're the only company to produce a fiber like this. >> reporter: but larry peterson was still in the dark. >> i had no idea there was -- >> he had been called to the fbi office to help search this station wagon, but not told why. then he spotted fbi techs returning from their search, and so he went out to the home to snip fibers for himself. >> saw the green carpet. >> did you feel, this is it? >> you know, i really didn't. >> because it was a middle class home, a young man living with his parents, but peterson thought -- >> i'm going to run this back to the lab and just look. i started with the green carpet. once i put that sample under the microscope, i mean, i knew instantly that that was it. >> you knew that they had the
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killer? >> i knew that was it. you know, i had made hundreds and hundreds of comparisons to carpeting and various suspects before and nothing was even close until that night. >> did you stand up from your microscope and scream, hallelujah, we've caught the guy? >> i literally did just want to say, oh, my god. >> still, wayne williams was allowed to go home that night. >> and i make a couple of other errands. i was in the area. >> in the morning wayne williams called in reporters and tv crews who agreed not to show his face. >> he asked what was dropped in the river? nothing. >> he acknowledged he failed a lie detector test. then asked about victims, wayne williams said this. >> some of these kids are in places they don't have no business being at certain times of the day and night. some of them don't have no kind of home supervision. they're just running around in
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the streets wild. i'm saying when you are doing that, that's not giving anybody a license to kill, but you are opening yourself up for all kinds of things. >> we asked wayne what he meant. >> when you say that's not giving anybody a license to kill but you're opening yourself up for all kinds of things -- >> my point is very simple. all right. if you are out roaming the streets like not all these -- but some of these victims were, you put yourself in a position for bad things to happen. >> for days the district attorney was reluctant to take wayne williams to court based on fibers alone. while he hesitated, the fbi, police, and media all kept a watch on wayne. in this parking lot one day he showed an angry face to a cnn camera crew. >> hey, i'm telling you to quit following me because i'm saying at this point you're following me on to private property, and if i was you, i would get the
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hell off. >> finally, on father's day evening 1981 detectives arrested wayne williams for the murder of nathaniel kader. once he disappeared in the back of this police car, williams would never be free again to this day. >> ahead, the trial and a blow-up on the witness stand. >> i was probably my own worst enemy. i could see almost the shock in the juror's faces. >> when he said you want the real wayne williams? you've got him. i think the jury understood that. ]dc(ñqgñ/twg
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>> wayne williams would go on trial at the start of 1982. testimony would last almost two months. it would be a trial like no other before. the case built on fibers, no fingerprints, month murder weapon, no apparent motive.
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now, remember, you're one of the jurors. three choices. guilty, innocent, or simply not proven. this time the verdict is yours. mary welcome was wayne williams' defense attorney. >> good morning. good morning. how are you? >> reporter: this was her first murder trial. >> what was he like when you met him? >> a most unlikely killer. >> yeah. why? >> because he just didn't appear to be the kind of person that could strangle anyone or had the strength to. >> reporter: to her wayne williams seemed gentle, child-like. >> one day i left him in jail. i said, wayne, is there anything i can bring? would you like anything? he said would you bring me some bubble gum? >> williams was charged with and tried for two murders, nathaniel kader and jimmy payne, both adults found m same area of the chattahoochee river.
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kader's body was nude, but his hair was caked with mud. >> lou that silt was able to recover dog hair and fibers that were close to his scalp. >> the dog hair was consistent with sheba, the wayne williams' family dog. in kader's hair was one of those unusual green carpet fibers. under a microscope peterson could see the boomerang shape. just like those in the williams family carpet. this is an actual piece of that carpet, which the fbi's harold denman said was quite rare. >> it's got an unusual carpet fiber. it was manufactured for a limit amount of time. it was a ten-year-old carpet. >> on jimmy, the other victim, denman found yellow rayon fibers stuck to his cotton shorts. fibers consistent with the blanket under wayne's bed. >> i personally took the cutting from the yellow blanket that was
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under the bed. >> this evidence slide contains the yellow blanket fibers that he clipped that night magnified by our own video camera. but when larry peterson had returned that june for a second search a couple weeks later -- >> there was no yellow blanket to be found, that i could find. >> there are a lot of things many your case that disappeared. a lot of disappearances. yellow blanket. >> yes. >> disappeared. >> in the first place that was never a yellow blanket. >> there were fibers of a yellow blanket. >> there were fibers alleged to have come from a yellow blanket. nobody has been able to produce a ideal low blanket because, quite simply, and i'm just being very blunt with you, there was no yellow blanket. >> or maybe you got rid of it in between the first time they searched and when they came back. >> seems like to me if i was a police officer, i would have confiscated the blanket too. it doesn't make sense. >> the prosecution was allowed to bring in ten other deaths.
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among them, patrick baltizar, eric middlebrooks, jojo bell to try to show a pattern. >> this is a chart showing fibers that were recovered from the body of patrick balti sfwl ar. >> fibers consistent with that blanket, with wayne williams' bedspread, the green carpet, hair from wayne's dog, plus a leather jacket. >> the jacket was, as recall, was hanging in his closet. >> and he told the jury, two human hairs were found inside patrick baltizar's shirt. >> these were consistent with originating from williams. >> then there was eric middlebrooks and the fibers stuck to his tennis shoe. this is a blow-up of those red fibers. the same kind were in a car williams was driving that year. >> this puts middlebrooks both in the interior and of the 1979 ford and the trunk of the 1979 ford. >> did you ever meet any of the young men who were victims?
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>> no, you did not. >> never met them once? >> no. >> not once? >> no. >> it's incalculatable the odds that it's not -- that they were not in contact with him in this environment. >> the fiber evidence is your biggest obstacle. >> that fiber evidence may well have been manipulated in this case, point-blank and simple. simple because they had a suspect that was wayne, and that manipulation, no doubt, has continued even after my trial and up until this point. >> there were just too many fibers placed on too many bodies. >> mike, in blue, seen here the night of the verdict, was one of the jurors. >> what would the chances be of finding the same -- all of he's fibers, the chances would be just astronomical. >> this witness robert henry did place williams with the very last victim, nath an wrel kader.
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henry worked with him. he said he saw him leaving this theater with wayne williams on the night of the bridge incident. henry has no doubt even today about what he saw. >> they were holding hands, like male and female. if you hold a hand with one of my co-workers, both of you are male, what am i supposed to do? turn my head? the next time i saw him was in the courtroom. >> when wayne williams took the stand earnings swore he never met nathaniel kader. on the evening henry said he saw them, wayne testified he was home, sick and asleep in bed. his mother and father now diocesed, backed him up. homer williams said he had the white stationon wagon until almost midnight. under cross-examination in his third day on the stand wayne williams blew up at prosecutor jack mallard.
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>> that morning he was a complete different person. immediately he started attacking. he came out of the chute like a bull. when he said you want the real wayne williams? you've got him. i think all of us, the jury, understood that, yeah. >> i was probably my own worst enemy. i was an arrogant, buzz-headed idiot at the time, and i played right into these people's hands. i could see almost the shock in the juror's faces. they said, my god, is this the same wayne that was up here yesterday? i could see that. >> patrick baltizar's stepmother was watching in court that day. >> this man got to be crazy. this man -- i mean, he is like he is saying, you know, yeah, i killed them, but you better prove it, you know? can you prove it? he was doing everything he can to outsmart everybody, and it was like i did tshg but can you prove i did it? >> camille bell believed wayne
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to be innocent. she feels that last day on the witness stand convicted him. >> and then when he flared off, then they were ready to say, well, okay, so he does have fight. >> when you got angry with the prosecutor, you said you're a drop shot. >> i called him a drop shot. >> what's that mean? >> quite simply a drop shot is a guy who is not worth much of anything. you know, just drop him and shoot him and get him out of the way. in other words, you're useless. >> we reminded wayne that he also called poor black children on the streets the same thing. drop shots. >> that does not make me a murderer simply because i said somebody is a drop shot because i called him a drop shot. that sdbt make wayne williams a murderer because i said somebody is a street erchin. we're talking about murder wrsht fact is i didn't kill anybody. >> the jury did not come back until late the second evening.
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the verdict? guilty on both counts of murdering the two adults, kader and pane. wayne williams was sentenced to serve two life terms. >> people only wanted to look at the negative side because they wanted in their heart for this case to be over and for wayne to be -- they wanted closure at any cost. >> leaving court homer williams walked by the prosecutor's table. >> he looked at us and called us sons of bitches. >> still to come, no verdict in the deaths of any of the children. >> even if it takes 30 trials, i don't care. you know? prove it. matt's brakes didn't sound right... ...so i brought my car to mike at meineke...
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>> the defense attorney did not expect the guilty verdict. >> i was crest fallen. >> so why do you think the jury convicted him? >> because he might have been guilty. because he might have been. >> during the trial, medical examiner robert stivers told the jury there have been very few strangulations of black hale males in the years before these
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murders began, and none at all with bodies left in rivers or by the roadside since that night wayne williams was stopped leaving this bridge. sfroo they were convinced that the crimes have stopped because wayne had been arrested. >> i think what happened is people stopped looking and stopped counting. >> reporter: murders have continued in atlanta. shootings of black men, stabbings of black women, and strangulations -- not black youths dumped far from where they were killed. detective welcome harris would stay on the police force another 25 years. we asked him how many more children were killed the way they were in the 1980s? >> none that i can recall. none that i can recall. >> wayne williams' appeals would drag for years. he almost won the first one.
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there was a ruling that would have reversed the verdict. >> he would find the evidence that would support a conviction. that's what he did find. originally. >> but the five other justices resisted. >> when we met, they pitched -- they were not going to overturn the conviction, the five of them. >> in the end all the justices, except smith, agreed to uphold the conviction. >> wayne williams said the court was bullied into making its u-turn. >> i think the pressure came from as high as the white house, and we'll leave it at that. >> reporter: not so, said george smith, now retired from the court, but still practicing law in his 90s. >> i can't imagine that happening in a case like this. i can't imagine any case like this. it didn't reach the white house. >> smith did write a disenting opinion. he said the fiber evidence fell short of scientific certainty, and the prosecution should not have been allowed to use the so-called pattern evidence on
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ten other murders. >> there was no similarities m crime. this case -- >> reporter: smith was denounced on the floor of the georgia legislature. >> i was -- you know what n stands for. >> mary welcome agreed when justice smith wrote the defense attorneys were ineffective. >> we were rendered ineffective. we were rendered incompetent because of the lack of funds, lack of time, and the lack of resources. absolutely. >> things did go wrong in the trial that should not have. an ambulance driver suggested an explosive motive for wayne williams. this from cnn's report at the time. >> williams asked him once had he ever considered how many blacks could be eliminated by killing one [ bleep ] child? >> unknown to either side tollen was not his real name. in fact, he had a criminal
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record. >> he testified under a false name. had an extensive arrest record under his real name. i'm not sure we knew all of that at the time or it was dislossed to us. >> his home was eight blocks away from where he was found dote. too then there was the murder of larry rogers, a retarded youth. this witness testified she saw rogers slumped over in a station wagon as wayne williams drove away. but another person, also saw rogers in that station wagon at that same intersection that day. he helped the police artist draw this sketch. it does not look like wayne williams. however, the defense never called the other witness to ask about the sketch. >> i don't remember seeing that. >> supporters of wayne williams say there was one murder which shows the fiber evidence could be faulty. the death of 12-year-old clifford jones, left by a dumpster in an alley on a summer night in 1980.
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some of those unusual green carpet fibers were on his body. yet, another boy said he saw a coin laundry operator kill clifford jones. detective welcome harris said the boy was not believable. >> he exaggerated stuff. if you said that mickey mouse was there. >> wayne supporters point out the laundry manager failed two police lie detector tests, but few are aware of a third -- >> only days after wayne williams was convicted of killing two adults, atlanta's police commissioner closed the books on 21 other murder victims, declaring they, too,
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were killed by williams. most were children. among them, clifford jones and youssef bell. without trials, the mothers were left without a verdict. one way or the other, in the deaths of all of the children. camille bell. >> even if it takes 30 trials, i don't care. you know, prove it. >> the prosecutor's answer? it would serve no purpose. >> you can only serve one life sentence. >> just ahead, a new alibi that backfires. >> he was out that night. no question in my mind. he was not at home. he was out and about. >> and after all these years, new dna evidence.
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>> four years after the trial roger would change his story about seeing the last victim nathaniel kader holding hands with wayne williams. in this affidavit henry wrote "if my life depended on it, i could not say the man i saw with
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kader was wayne williams." our producer confronted henry with that affidavit. his signature is at the bottom. >> this man -- >> whose words are those? >> they're not mine. >> whose words are they? >> i would rather not say. >> in the summer of 1986 henry was in prison here when he said an associate of wayne williams came to see him and told him what to write. >> wayne said i could not id the face of wayne williams as a man i saw with nathaniel kader. are those your words? >> those are words i was told to say. >> by? >> i would rather not say. might cause problems. >> could you id the face of wayne williams? >> the person i saw holding nathaniel kader's hands was wayne williams, the man who was convicted of it. >> in fact, henry had passed a lie detector test before he took
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the witness stand. when his visitor came to see him, henry was serving five years for sex crimes. his false affidavit was used in court appeals. wayne williams lost each time anyway. >> to this day is there any question who you saw with kader? >> no. >> it was? >> wayne williams. >> robert henry is not the only one whose story has changed back and forth over the years. so has wayne williams. at trial williams testified he was home all evening sick in bed when henry said he saw him holding hands with kader. now williams says he has a different alibi for that evening. >> i was at a place called hotlanta records in college park. >> williams says he drove to that office near the atlanta airport. he had taken photos for this poster the might before and went there to turn in this invoice to get paid.
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>> he delivered a bill and statement of southwests, and we were cut a check for it, and it was probably about 9:00 or 9:30 when i left that location. >> we reached hotlatnta's owner, melvin wear, now living in los angeles. >> he called in advance, and when he came, i weblt back and wrote the check. that's where my checkbook was. >> he said williams didn't stay that long. want as late as night. >> how did wayne get to the office? >> he drove. i think he had his dad's car, if i'm not mistaken. >> wayne's father, homer williams, testified he had the station wagon until almost midnight that night, but chet debtlinger said wayne told him long ago this was a lie. >> he told me he had the car. his dad didn't have the car. but wayne said i had the vehicle, and i didn't want to corrupt the -- my dad's
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testimony in the eyes of the jury so i lied about it and said i didn't have it on the stand. >> it was in downtown atlanta. >> at the trial you said that you were in bed until 10:00 p.m. autoright. >> you were so sick your mother said she had to help lie your body out in the bed you were so sick. >> this is where the confusion with all of this came in. i got back from hotlanta records probably about 9:00, 9:30. >> but there is no one to corroborate that even if his mother were still alive. wayne said she probably didn't see him come in. prosecutor jack mallard. >> he was out that night, no question in my mind. he was not at home. he was out and about. >> less than six hours after henry said he saw williams and
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kader here, police heard a splash under this bridge. his body washed up down stream two days later. 30 years ago there was no dna testing. now there is. so new evidence. remember those two human hairs found inside 11-year-old patrick baltizar's shirt? in 2007 the hair fragments were sent to the fbi's dna laboratory in qauntico, virginia. the result? the lab said it found this dna sequence in only 29 out of more than 1,100 samples of african-american hairs in its database. less than 3%. most important, wayne williams dna had the same sequence. >> i think -- i don't think they said it was a match. they could not rule out whoever the hair was from as being the possible donor. >> a dna expert said this
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finding is as strong as it can get with this particular type of testing. >> and it probably would exclude 98% or so of the people in the world. >> did you kill 11-year-old patrick baltizar? >> i did not kill patrick baltizar or anyone else. >> did you ever meet patrick? >> no, i did not. >> never been in contact with that kid? >> i don't even know a patrick baltizar. >> we offered to show the dna findings to the stepmother. sheila baltizar. >> please don't make me read it. >> oh, my god. >> so we told her what the fbi report said. wayne williams cannot be excluded as the source of those two hairs. she listened. then this.
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>> without a shadow of a doubt, i really in my heart believe that wayne williams killed patrick baltizar. >> next, trained to kill. >> were you trained in unarmed combat techniques? could you grab somebody bigger than yourself, put them in a choke hold? >> i'm sure there are other things in unarmed combat beside putting somebody in a choke hold.
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>> when we return to prison for other final interview with wayne williams, we had one question he was not expecting. what wayne had written about being recruited for espionage training as a teenager.
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at a secret government camp hidden in the woods near this north georgia lake where he was given what could amount to a license to kill. >> it's called finding myself. what's finding myself? it reads like an autobiography. >> go ahead. i'm listening. >> it's an account of your cia training. >> we're not going to get into that. >> why not? >> we're not going to get into that. >> i got a copy of it. >> we're not going to get into that. >> why not? >> i just said we're not going to get into that. >> by his account wayne was appreciate out of high school, just 18 years old, when he was approached by an associate of an old world war ii spy living in the atlanta area and was initiated into a secret world. >> you're not going to answer a single question on this? >> no, ma'am. >> is it fake? >> no. >> is it fictional writing?
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>> no. >> did you work for the cia? >> we're not going to get into that. >> in these pages he said he spent his summer weekends in those woods learning how to handle plastic explosives, hand grenades, and something even more chilling. >> so i'll do the talking part, and you can answer what part of it you want. you write how you fired rifles, some machine guns, handled assault weapons, grenade launchers, c-4, learned unarmed combat techniques through this training group over weekends. is it true or is it false? >> i'm not going to comment on it. >> when you are 19 years old. you're saying you worked for the cia. you had been recruited. >> i'll let the document speak for itself. >> thank you work for the cia? >> i cannot comment on that. >> copyright 1992 by wayne williams. is this an autobiography?
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>> i cannot comment on that. >> in his own words wayne williams said this was part of a secret plan to send young black agents into the worst trouble spots in africa in the late 1970s. he wrote that he finished training, then withdrew from the program. >> either this is a true story, and you have been trained in tactics, ex-filtration techniques, unarmed combat techniques chshgs would include deadly choke hold, or it's made up. >> let me ask one question. where did you obtain that? >> i can't tell you that. >> now we're talking. >> you're a newsman. you know the answer to that question before you asked it. >> okay. all right. i will say this -- >> is it true? it's got your name on it some. >>ly say this. >> were you trained in unarmed combat techniques? could you grab somebody bigger than yourself, put them in a choke hold, because that's what
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that is. >> i'm sure there are other things in unarmed combat besides putting somebody in a choke hold. >> when i talked to the military experts and i say to them what exactly does that mean, that's one of the things on their list. top two things, by the way. >> i wouldn't doubt that. >> so are you trained in that? >> let me say this. >> i'm asking straight forward questions. >> there are experiences that i do not want to comment on today for reasons that the document says, okay? the fact is what does that have to do with the situation today? >> everything. >> you tell me. >> it has everything to do with it. a big part of the conversation when i talk to your lawyers was
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could wayne williams grab somebody? did he have the strength? look how -- he is not a big guy. could he -- >> i see what you're saying. >> could he grab someone in an unarmed combat technique and kill them, and your attorneys would say you never -- he is not a big guy. you're telling me that, yes, in fact, i was trained by the cia, which is basically what this document says in a nutshell, on weekends when i was a teenager, and i am trained in the choke hold technique. that's one thing. if you are telling me that, no, that never happened, but you're writing a long fantasy about being trained for the cia in weaponry and the choke hold technique, that takes it a whole other direction. >> remember, doctors said at least two of the victims and perhaps more were probably killed by choke holds. >> do you you know know how to kill someone with a choke hold? it's a pretty -- i can answer that. i do not know.
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do you know how to answer that? what's your answer to that? >> let me say something about that? >> it's a yes or no answer zoosh no, it's not. >> yes, it is, actually. >> not until the very end of our prison interview did we come close to a real answer. >> it's actually a very simple question. >> you probably could. under the right circumstances. >> i know for a fact i could not. i know you're being fas ishs, but i know for a fact i could not. were you trained as a teenager to do that? that's what you're writing in this. i get cia. you don't want to talk about it. it's all off the record. >> let me state this for the record, okay? i think in the paper that you have, i will say this, that it says that there was contact with a certain program, and i will say it was the joint officer -- junior officer training program, excuse me, which was run by a certain agency, and you're correct, cia, but i never said
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that i worked for them. i simply said -- >> that was splitting hairs. were you takened -- were you train snd. >> that's all i'll going to say. >> were you trained in these techniques? >> that's all i'm going to say. >> he did acknowledge it was cia training, but said no more. so is this true, or only a fantasy in his mind? the mind of a man the courts have found to be a killer. we'll leave that question with you. >> the verdict is now yours to decide in your own mind. again, the choices, guilty, innocent, or a third choice, not proven either way. in a few moments we'll show you the verdict that our audience has reached when this documentary was first broadcast, but before then, a look at some of the answers from those who lived through the terror 30 yes ago. >> the prosecutor. >> obviously guilty.
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>> the defense attorney. >> not proven. >> one way or the other. >> the fbi agent in charge. >> guilty of two double homicides. >> sheila baltizar. >> he could have killed all of them. >> the supreme court justice. >> not proven. >> the witness. >> guilty. >> camille bell. >> innocent but stupid. >> that first task force detective. >> no maybes, ifs. guilty. >> right man for those are in jail. >> the original audience verdict? guilty, 69%. innocent, 4%. not proven either way, 27%.
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>> 922. >> blood is coming out of her nose and her mouth. >> it was an unprecedented wave of terror that struck in and around our nation's capital. >> you had 9/11. this is one year later. >> over 23 days ten people are targeted for death. >> there was always just a single shot. >> the shot out of the back lot. he is bleeding real bad. >> the victims are diverse. >> men, young, old, black, white. >> the moerch sun known. >> we're not sure if he had a terrorist operation. >> the panic is escalating. >> they were strike telling

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