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of millions on the edge of the seat, he made it but has something big near mind. he joins us here in new york to talk about it. we begin with the powerful testimony today at the george zimmerman trial. so powerful some, including trayvon martin's parents couldn't bear to hear it. it's the seconds before zimmerman shot martin before he layed dying. there was other big moments like the legal battle about what the prosecution considered a lynch pen of the case but the police sergeant that tried to revolve or stabilize the wounded martin packed a serious punch. martin savidge joins us live, martin? >> reporter: this was an extremely difficult day, took the entire courtroom back to the night of february 26th, 2012, and this was the first time in a number of ways we heard the story. remember, the jury is hearing this essentially for the first time, and they have seen george zimmerman. they know he's the defendant.

they have heard the name trayvon martin, but today they saw the body of trayvon martin and that had tremendous impact in the courtroom. you saw a teenager laying on the ground, and of course, you knew the fact he was dead. george zimmerman admits to shooting him. it's whether it was self-defense or murder as the prosecution is trying to portray. the imagery was strong and the first responder that showed up on the scene moments after the shooting and trying to revive this young teenager with the help of another officer. here is some of what went on in court today. day two of george zimmerman's murder trial took the courtroom back to the tragic night of february 26th, 2012. for the first time, jurors saw the body of the teenager zimmerman killed, trayvon martin and listed to graphic testimony from one of the first police officers on the scene, who with another office tried to revive the scene. >> after you rolled his body to his back did you again try to get a pulse?

>> yes, sir, did. >> were you able to get a pals? >> no, sir, i was not. >> what was your role on the cpr attempts on trayvon martin? >> i was doing breaths, sir. >> reporter: martin's mother sat listening. >> did rescue take over the cpr efforts after they arrived? >> yes, sir. >> what did you see the rescue personnel do to treat or assess trayvon martin? >> i watched them hook up the leads of the akg machine. >> was trayvon martin pronounced dead by rescue at the scene? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: they took pictures and gathered evidence and examined the gun zimmerman used to shoot the teenager and she photographed zimmerman's injuries, which the defense says were the result of a vicious attack from martin. >> do you see that sort of lump on the top right of his head? >> yes, i can. >> and you saw it that night, too, right? >> yes, i did. >> did you see that lump on the

top of his head? >> yes, i do. >> the top right side, and you saw it that night, as well? >> that is correct. >> also, shown in the courtroom was the hoody sweatshirt martin was wearing when he died. to many it's a symbol of racial profiling that elevated this case to a national debate. earlier in the day with the jury out of the courtroom, the defense and prosecution fought over phone calls, specific recalls zimmerman made to police prior to that fatal night. police records showed zimmerman dozens of calls to police stating things he found suspicious. the state wants to introduce six from the six months prior assen effort to show zimmerman is frustrated seeing people as suspicious. they want to say zimmerman followed 17-year-old trayvon martin to make sure he wouldn't get away. the last witness on the stand said she saw two people standing upright and fighting that night,

potentially more damaging to the defense, she said she heard a sound like running from left to right, possibly implying a chase. it's a detail she hadn't previously mentioned according to police transcripts. >> what is the first time that you told anybody that you heard or saw whatever it was movement, from left to right outside of your backdoor? was it today? and if so, just tell us. >> i don't know if it was just today. >> okay. >> may -- i'll ask it this way, could it be that the first time you mentioned this new piece of evidence is just now as you testified? >> it could be. i don't -- i don't know. >> martin savidge cnn sanford. for better or worse, the trial is not only televised but playing out on camera outside the courtroom, as well. the family attorney ben crump

came on this program. he's not trying the case. mark o'mara is ex joins us tonight. your co-counsel got attention yesterday for a knock knock joke he told as an opening statement. was that something the two of you discussed before hand? what did you think about it? >> we had not discussed it before hand. i think what was really happening, don has been frustrated with some of what has been going on. made no bones about the fact we're frustrated with the discovery concerns we had with the state, and i think that really frustrated don. i think this was an attempt by him, you know, to put levity into it and loosen himself up a bit because he's carrying frustration with him. i would note that it didn't work the way he wanted it to and probably should have been -- we thought. >> the state had wanted to have some audio experts, what they said were audio experts testify saying that on the 911 call, that according to these two audio experts it was not george zimmerman's voice yelling for

help. those so-called experts were not allowed to testify, because especially the fbi and others said the science isn't there yet. the techniques weren't there. that must have been a key ruling for you. >> well, you know, yes and no. obviously on the surface it looks like a key ruling, but we have to back up a little bit. we had our witnesses, experts who would say that it was george zimmerman. so i was not worried about the idea of having a sort of spectrum of experts to say everything across the bored, but what we realized once we found out about the case, was that no expert could have a firm opinion about whose voice it was. even two of the state's experts, the two that the state pulled off of their witness list the week before the hearing, those witnesses said they thought it may have been trayvon martin on the first scream or two and believed it was probably george zimmerman on the last scream or two. it sounds like a huge thing for

our client. that's absolutely untrue. the evidence that would have come in, had it come in, would have been across the bored. mr. owen, who again has the financial interest in his little magic machine would have said what he said and that was only a tendency and mr. rike, who here states nobody else hears in the universal was not let in because nobody else could recreate his supported test. so i would almost have encouraged letting those people in front after jury, just so we could have shown them for who they are. >> interesting. how concerned are you about the presence of trayvon martin's presence in the courtroom? several times because of testimony and graphic pictures, they have gotten up, his mother, father today, apparently jurors are watching that or seeing that. does that concern you? i know you wanted the zimmerman parents to be able to be in the courtroom. they won't be until they have

testified. >> this is a tragedy for both families. i've said that since literally the first day you and i talked, and the first day we've been involved in this case, and the victim's family, mr. martin's family has a right to be in the courtroom and as long as they act appropriately, that they should stay there. obviously there are -- there are -- there are things that we do that are somewhat insensitive to a family whose lost a loved one, and if they need to leave the courtroom because of that, i'm fine. what i don't want and i think everyone needs to be careful of is any type of maneuver or show budding or something that should suggest to try to impact on that jury. so i want to say stay away from negative impact on the jury, both the martin side and the zimmerman side and we'll have a good, just verdict based only on the evidence. >> it's probably too early this ask this, and you probably wouldn't answer it even if you did know, but if you planed to have george zimmerman take the stand? >> i've always said that's a

dynamic decision we have to make only once we look at the evidence the state presents. this is a case as every criminal case where the state has to prove their case. in this case they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime was commented and it was a crime but george did not do so in self-defense. they have to disprove self-dvmgs beyond a reasonable doubt. if i think we get to that burden, we might have to consider whether we need to present a case, if at all. >> thank you. >> sure. >> we'll have more at 10:00 eastern. we have a complete hour devoted at 10:00 p.m. eastern. what we see with the trial attorney advocating for his clients see and legal experts say are different yet, there is something to be gained from each. tonight a pair of professionals, paul henderson and criminal defense mark and how the criminal justice works and sometimes doesn't. so mark, it's interesting to hear mark o'mara say he wished

the opposite side had been allowed to introduce a witness just because of how bad a witness he thought he would be. >> well, i -- i know -- i feel his pain, so to speak. you cannot just lay down in a case like this and say we're not going to object to something that's complete junk or bogus science, but at the same time, can you imagine the sand box you could play in if you put that so-called expert up on the stand? as a defense lawyer you would have a field day with something like that and i think the judge maud it right decision by keeping it out. there isn't anybody i think that would say that's a peer reviewed or generally accepted in the scientific community. i understand the marks of two minds of that, as most good defense lawyers would be. you give up the right or the opportunity to take somebody on the stand who has gone over the top in their opinion. >> as we said earlier, o'mara

and the rest of the defense team spent a lot of time from keeping the jury from hearing the past 911 calls zimmerman made. how damaging could they be for zimmerman, if admitted? >> one of the things people would hear or could hear is that maybe there was a past pattern or a past practice or they would glean from those conversations that this guy was really acting in a style more similar to a vigilante, rather than someone just protecting the neighborh d neighborhood. so this is why you see the prosecution fighting so hard to introduce those tapes and show that to the jury to try and give them their lens of why zimmerman behaved the way he did on that night, and how he approached the ultimate confrontation that ended up in the homicide -- or ended up in the death -- >> the calls weigh because you could listen to the calls and say you know what, he was a concerned citizen and the neighborhood watch guy and those are the calls he's making. >> you know, anderson, you would

think that i did a preinterview with you because i was thinking the exact same thing as you said it. these calls, generally, and you ask paul, i've been in cases where the prosecutor would want to put that on. here is somebody that's being a good samaritan and looking out for neighbors and trying to do the right thing and what's their reward? you know, they end up getting into a fist of cuffs with somebody. it cuts both ways. i understand what the prosecution is trying to do. they are trying to tap into this, kind of collective unconscious, if you will, that people have, the feeling that they have about security types or want to be security types or neighborhood watch people. i think the problem they have got is they are playing from a prosecution playbook, but they do not have their typical prosecution kind of script or set of facts that they normally

would have. i just -- i'm not so sure what they are doing is effective. >> the jurors did see the crime scene photos of trayvon martin deceased, some graphic. we're choosing not to show them on this program. the prosecution wasn't trying to prove anything in particular to show them. is that common to elicit emotion or sympathy from the jury? >> absolutely what they do -- this is unorthodox. i generally have the experience where the prosecutors will wait until maybe tornados the end of the case to introduce the autopsy pictures or the crime scene photos. the reason for that is you want to have the jurors not be desensitized to them, if that could happen but send them off into the jury room with that image or those images in their mind. it's a little unorthodox i think to kind of front load with these pictures the way they did here, but again then, the opening statement front loaded with dropping the f-bomb immediately. they have a reverse playbook on what the usually prosecutor

does. >> the flip side, of course, is we saw a lot of pictures of george zimmerman and the injuries he sustained, bumps and cuts and we'll see how it plays out. thank you, let us know what you think. follow me on twitter at anderson cooper, let's talk about the trial now. we have a special hour devoteed to this at 10:00, as we will all week. 10:00, the zimmerman trial. edward snowden is no moscow at the airport but the president says he can't be ex dieted to the united states and what, if anything, does russian intelligence do. the little girl taken from her adoptive parents, the only parents she knew, they vowed to challenge the law and they hope the supreme court gives them hope. they join us shortly. la's known definitely for its traffic,

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a head full of secret asks they want him back. the difference is you and i get stuck in atlanta. he's stuck in moscow, in the precustoms transit area at moscow's international airport where the russianen government today said it makes him legally untouchable since he's there. john is there and joins us with the latest, john? the russians are admitting snowden is in moscow's airport but has anyone seen him, laid eyes on him? >> reporter: certainly not, and soren. we've been on the ground for 18 hours, and snowden arrived here 7 two hours ago from hong kong to moscow and not been seen since. the airport transiter is a hub. putin said he's in the transit area, this covers an area of half a mile, sections very clearly defined d, e and f but

hasn't been scene. if you're on the ground for sure he didn't hop on this flight to havana that takes off at 2:00. we watched the passengers bored and saw the plane taxi to the runway. there was no stoppage there for a van to put on a special passenger. we also know that he never stayed in the transit hotel. it's called the capsule, nothing fancy, 100 yards behind me. 40 rooms. checked with the front desk and knew the name and category, he nor anybody else supporting him checked in which leads us to believe he's in the facility here. in a modern facility if they wanted to create an area to hold somebody blocked off to hold somebody like snowden is not unlikely. >> putin's comments, he was not mincing words. >> reporter: he's not mincing words, and i think it's fair to say he broke the code of

silence. this is something he wanted the minister to handle but thought as the intrigue started to rise, he needed to step in and do d so on a trip to finland. he suggested the sooner snowden finds a new location, the weather for all of us. what more edward snowden might be able to do as well as the spy game playing out as we speak. we're joined by phillip a former official of the fbi and cia. phillip, so what happens now? would snowden be able to stay in russia for awhile, or does he go somewhere else and how long can someone stay in the transit lounge in an airport? >> my guess this is uncomfortable for him. the relationship between russia and the united states is not great. vladimir putin will say we have

him. we want him to leave. we can't force him to leave. the u.s. is in a difficult spot. we won't send in the swat team. what do we do? >> what are the options? >> going and saying look we've got an arrest warrant for this guy. the department of justice said he violated a federal law, will you turn him over? beyond that arnold schwarzenegger doesn't work for the fbi. if he wants to live in a government compound or diplomatic compound, there isn't much we can do. >> some say he's been charged with espionage and if he wanted to sell secrets to the russians or chinese he could have done that and been somewhere in beijing or moscow. he seems not to have done that. do you believe what he said, he's only talking to journalists? >> i don't.

if you're sitting in a russian airport, who is sitting around you? journalest? or people that want to know how you attack russianen cyber systems. what happened isn't complicated. he's a naive then 29, now 0-year-old. he had an idea to expose u.s. collection systems to the world. he's thinking i didn't really think about what the next step was, what's the way out? and i'm sure he doesn't know what that is. >> you don't think he thought this through? he seems like an intelligent guy, no? >> i think that's a different question than whether he thought this through. we're dealing with three-dimensional chess here. how to deal with the government in hong kong, how to deal with the russians and wikileaks and get legal coverage to i can door. there is no way in my mind a 29-year-old living at the national security sat here and thought through three dimensioned chess we're playing today.

>> for the decorations by the u.s. about how outrageous the behavior from russian is, if there was inteam jens who had information and in the u.s., the u.s. would want to hold on to that person. >> i would take a step beyond what you just said. if i'm sitting in a room in the cia or fbi and someone says look there's a chinese intelligence official that wants to talk to us or russia intelligence official and moscow wants him back, i would do two things. what's his hard drive? thumb drive? what's his phone, mirror it and download it and second, talk to him and third, tell the russians or chinese he's not going home now. there is no way we would take in someway as different position if we were sitting in washington d.c. phillip mudd thanks. >> my pleasure. the ruling in the baby veronica custody battle. the toddler's adopted parents,

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well, divided supreme court struck down key ports of the voting rights act of 1965. this was one of the most closely watched cases on the docket. they found congress did not provide acquit justification for projecting nine states to federal oversight.

the outline was the law passed at the peak of the civil rights era is out of date. the ruling leaves it up to congress to revise the law. we've also got a 360 follow in the court doing something it doesn't often do, issued a ruling in a wrenching child custody case. not many custody battles end up at the supreme court but this known as the indian child case this is baby veronica. she's 3 years old and we've been following the case closely. the 4-5 is a victory for the adoptive parents. it complicated. we'll get to the ruling but randi kaye how the case got to the highest court in the nation. >> reporter: this is video from the last time mat and melanie capobianco saw their little girl in 2011. they raced for for two years and were adopting her when a court

ordered them to hand her over to the biological father. >> do you think this is in her best interest? >> i think so. >> reporter: a man veronica never met. >> for a little girl to be put in the car with strangers and driven to oklahoma and having no recourse or control over it is -- i mean, you know, we're her parents. i'm her father, you know, supposed to be there to protect her. >> you want to be an engine near when you grow up? >> yeah. >> reporter: now three veronica is caught in the middle of one of the strangest adoption cases we've ever heard. it began in 2009 before she was born, when veronica's biological mother put her up for adoption. the couple were thrilled when an adoption attorney connected them with veronica's biological mom. she said the biological father agreed agreed to waive parental rights

matt cut the umbilical cord and since, she lived with them in south carolina. >> i guess people think we're not supported to love her until the ink is dry and kind of care for her until everything is, you know, years down the line and she's adopted. >> reporter: the capobianco's were heart broken when after four months after they brought her home her biological father filed for paternity and custody, even though he signed a legal document saying he would not contest veronica's adoption. he was able to do so thanks to little-known federal law from 1978 called the indian child welfare act. you see, brown is part cherokee and a member of the cherokee nation, which means veronica is part cherokee, too. congress passed the law after finding 30% of indian children were being removed from homes and placed with non-indian families. the law is designed to keep indian children with indian family members, and protect the

interests of those children. >> i don't know how tearing a child away from the only family she's ever known without any transition period and noviceatinovic no visitation is in her best interest. >> reporter: the attorney general for the cherokee nation thinks the law is working. >> it's not anyone's intent to -- to rip a child away from a loving home. but we want to make sure those loving homes have the opportunity to be indian homes first. >> what et nicety -- >> reporter: after the family court rule in dustin brown's favor they petitioned hoping the higher court world overturn the ruling. after three months they got more bad news. the supreme court rule in favor of veronica's biological father. it wasn't an easy decision for the court, though. the justices were split 3-2. in the majority they wrote they are upholding the family court's

ruling with a heavy heart. they concluded the biological father and his family created a safe, loving and appropriate home for her. those in the descenting opinion said federal law shouldn't trump state law father abandoned responsibilities in every respect. lawyers from dustin brown say quote he's a good parent and veronica is happy, healthy and thriving. since she went to live with her biological father, the c capobiancos say they only spoke with her once. >> we told her we loved her, and we said we loved her, too. but that was it. >> reporter: they didn't give up. they took their case to the supreme court and just today heard the ruling. the court sided with the c capobiancos but the journey is not over.

>> they have to go back to court in south carolina and finalize the adoption. they should get it and win but it could be contested and it could take months. >> this is her room. >> reporter: the capobiancos always held out hope that veronica would come back to them. >> this is our home. it will always be our home but she is going to come home. she's going to play with this stuff again -- >> it's a symbol of our hope she's coming home. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, charleston, south carolina. >> in their split decision the supreme court said the adoption was proper and did not intrude on dustin brown's federal rights. that sounds like a victory for the capobiancos matt and melanie capobianco join me tonight for an exclusive 360 interview matt and melanie, i can't imagine the nightmare this has been for you for the last two years since your daughter was taken away

from you. first of all, melanie, how are you feeling? >> pretty good. pretty good. relieved. i mean, we have someway to go but it's -- it was huge for us, huge win. >> take us back, matt, if you can to the moment when you learned of the ruling. >> i was at work, and melanie called me, and at that point we weren't exactly sure what it meant. it was a little leg words to figure out. i knew it was good, though. so i just got in my car and went home as fast as i could, and it's -- it's good news. it's real good news and i just don't know -- very excited. very excited. >> so just to be clear, though, matt, this ruling, it doesn't mean that veronica is back in your custody yet, correct? >> not necessarily, no. no. >> not. >> we're still cautious. >> so you go to the south carolina courts, and to formally adopt veronica, correct? >> that's our intent,

absolutely. >> yes, yes, we're hoping they will finalize the adoption and everything will be the way it was before. >> were there times over the last two years since 201 1 that you thought this day might never come, this ruling would not turn out as it did? >> we feared that, absolutely. we had to keep hope and keep fighting, but there is always that fear, yeah. >> melanie, what kind of com tact have you had with your daughter since she went with her birth father in 201 1 to oklahoma? >> we had one phone call the day after they took her and none at all since. >> none at all? >> no. >> none, whatsoever. >> emotionally, i can't imagine what that's been like. >> it's been -- >> it's been awful. >> terrible. what would any other parent feel like if they were cut off completely from their child for so long, and just not knowing, you know, how she was doing.

we don't know how she was feeling, and it's been pretty awful. >> i know you haven't had contact with her in the last two years. have you had any contact with the birth father to at least find out how she's doing or anything? >> none. >> the only thing we've ever known is what has been put in the papers. that's the only pictures or information we've ever gotten. >> you've had to learn about your daughter by looking at pictures in the paper? >> uh-huh. >> yeah. >> do you have -- i mean, maybe you don't want to hope too much but do you have any special plans for a reunion? have you allowed yourself to think about that? >> i think we have pretty good visions of that. we've had that from, you know, for the last year and a half. but in terms of plans, we don't have any plans yet. we just -- we're still trying to figure out what this all means.

>> we just want her home with her friends and family and all of her family, so she can know everybody, and we are just looking forward to that. >> melanie and matt, i'm so happy for you both and i wish you the best and i hope you are all reunited soon. >> thank you so much, anderson. >> thank you, thank you so much. >> it's been a long, long journey. coming up, a terrifying home invasion caught on nanny cam. a new jersey woman is beaten as her 3-year-old daughter looks on. police need your help identifying him. he completed the high walk over the grand canyon and now he has his eye on the new york skyline. we'll speak to him next. hey kevin...still eating chalk for heartburn?

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welcome back, daredevil in this case n-- nik nallenda, the seventh generation of the nallenda was the first to walk across the colorado river gorge. he did it for 22 minutes and 54 seconds. here is some death-defying

highlights from that tight rope walking stunt. >> i praise you jesus. lord, help this cable to calm down. the winds are way worse than i expected. hard to relax when you're 1500 feet above a canyon. [ applause ] >> thank you, lord. >> incredible to watch. i spoke with nik nallenda just a short time ago. >> first of all, congratulations. >> thank you. >> watching that was just -- i was weak in the knees. i'm afraid of heights, so watching it was terrifying. >> so you're probably scared here? >> yes, i'm not getting too close. did it go the way you thought it would go? >> you know, there is no way to really tell in advance what it will go like, so i try to prepare for the worst case. in my hometown we put up a cable that was 1000 feet long that simulated the movement, same size and low to the grand.

i brought in wind machines and walked in 92 mile an hour winds and tropical storm andrea came through and torrential downpour and 52 mile an hour winds and stayed on the wire for that. just, again, prepare for anything that might come at me. >> you had to contend with not just wind, but stand. >> i did. something i didn't think about. there are unknowns -- >> as much as you prepare, there is always unknowns. >> there is always something. the sand blew and the first four, five steps, it didn't feel right. when i got over those steps, the grip felt right on the cable. >> i heard you say the view was beautiful. >> amazing. >> do you actually think about that at the time? >> do. i've done this my entire life. i started walking on the wire since i was 2. my grand grandfather said life is on the wire and everything educational is waiting, for my family that's true. there were three points on that wire where i looked down and actually enjoyed it.

>> did -- wow. do you ever trip and fall on the street? are you perfectly balanced at all time sns. >> it's not very often. i've never fallen to the ground walking on the street but stumbled on things, of course. >> that must be embarrassing for you. >> walking and texting isn't a good thing. >> even for you. >> even for me. >> i heard your dream is to go in new york between the empire strait building and chrysler build sglg that is. >> the city said no way, that won't happen. do you think you can change their mind? >> the government said no way when i walked across the falls and it happened. i'll try to find a way for sure. never would i do anything without authority's permission. i never submitted anything to them so they don't know the details or how it would be planned out. we have meetings years in advance. they don't have to do a lot of planning. it already done. this is when, how.

we go through that stuff in advance. we haven't even knocked on the door. the media reached out to them and they are doing what's right and i respect them for that. >> just looking at central park you said you would love to walk across central park. >> yeah, a mile over central park. >> is that possible? >> absolutely. >> where would you run a cable? >> we would have cranes and put cranes up. park them in central park there and walk a mile. i would love to do longer than a mile, actually. >> you would? >> i would. >> and the timewarner center. >> that's another one i've had my eyes on for a long time. >> really? >> absolutely. >> it doesn't look like you can put a cable anywhere, can you? >> absolutely. i have amazing engineers and we went there many, many buildings. i was hoping when i heard we would be on the roof, i thought we would be up there. i was excited like a kid. >> i try to stay off the roof, if i can help it. >> you talk about not doing

anything without permission, the high wire performer. >> uh-huh. >> legendary watching illegally between the newly built world trade centers, would you do that? >> i wouldn't do anything without a permit in place. i respect him and i think what he did was breathe taking and amazing and looked up to him for most of my life. >> what goes through your mind on that wire? >> a lot of times very peaceful. because i've done it so long, it's natural that all the troubles of the world whether an argument with my wife or father, it goes away. one of the reasons is i'm so focused and there is something special, and there is something spiritual, for sure. >> can you be too focused? >> i don't know if you can be too focused. i was pretty focused over the grand canyon the other night, for sure. >> better prepared, i guess.

>> yeah. >> have you ever been afraid of heights? >> i've never been afraid of heights. i respect hands. i wouldn't jump over the edge and hang on with one hand. i respect there is danger. i was standing here thinking this would be fun to walk on. >> so you think it would be fun to walk on this? >> yeah, i was like that's anchored good and sturdy and looking along before i would consider it. >> please don't do that. >> i won't. >> it's a pleasure to meet you. >> thank you so much. >> thanks for having me on. >> incredible what he did. crowds are gathering outside the hospital where nelson mandela is in the hospital. an attack caught on a nanny cam police. they are looking for help in catching this suspect. this is what matters. the experience of a product.

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time now for the ridiculist. a town is taking stand, i'm speaking of course, about the people wearing pants too big for them. it's being addressed in georgia who passed an ordinance banning saggy pants. they can't be more than 3 inches below the waist and under pants can't be exposed and one resident seems happy about the

rule. >> when i go out to eat somewhere, i don't want to see anybody's under shorts. it just ain't nothing pretty about that. >> nothing pretty about it. the city manager says the saggy pants ban is a matter of schism deseen say, which i suppose is something we can get behind but the citizens in georgia could face fines up to $200 for repeat offenders and for first offenders $25. >> it should make people open they eyes that you don't have $25 to pull up your pants. there seems like a crack down on saggy pants, an issue hanging around for a while n. jacksonville, florida a pastor took a creative approach, she collected belts to give to kids for free. >> it's very disrespectful for young men to go around in the community with their pants hanging down and underwear showing.

pull up your pants. need help? here is a belt. >> i can't tell kids to do that without feeling old. back in my day i would tie an onion on my belt for lunches. our trousers went to our armpits, we were happy gosh darn it, back in my day. i feel like this is a fashion thing and all like fashion things, it will run it's course but if you remember clue less, cher was talking -- >> it looks like they fell out of bed and put on bag bee pants and took their greasy hair and covered it up with a backwards cap and we're expected to swoon, i don't think so. >> that's a good movie. back in 1995. so maybe saggy pants are here to stay and maybe with more towns banning it and pull up or pay up, you can make your check payable to "the ridiculist." the george zimmermann trial,

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