and learn more about the kinds of plans that will be here for you now -- and down the road. i have a lifetime of experience. so i know how important that is. it's a case that's riveting the nation. today for the very first time in the george saddam husseinerman trial we're hearing from this neighbor who witnessed a scuffle with trayvon martin. >> i see the person right now. i see him walking. there's a man coming out. he's come out with a flashlight. oh, my god. i don't know what he did to this person. >> i'm brooke baldwin. special cnn live coverage starts special cnn live coverage starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com here we go on this wednesday afternoon. i'm brooke baldwin. good to be with you. we begin with voices in the

night. two figures wrestling in the rain. one voice dominant, agitated, male. the other voice softer, answering the first, crying out. then suddenly this pop, pop, pop. the killing of trayvon martin as described by a woman who saw it from the vantage point of a second story bedroom window. take a look at this. in the very same townhome complex where george zimmerman lived and overlooking the courtyard where trayvon martin died. today that neighbor became the very first person to tell the six female jurors what she witnessed on that rainy night. james sadirka is an unemployed recreation therapist and former middle schoolteacher. she says she heard voices, turned off her bedroom light, witnessed this confrontation as she was crouched down by her bedroom window. >> looking down there was one person on top of each other.

they were vertical. it was like you could hear scuffling. they're moving back and forth. i didn't see arms swinging or anything like that. just that they were on the ground and they were wrestling or shuffling. >> tell us what then you observed and what you heard. >> when i saw the two men on the ground -- or two people on the ground and shuffling, i thought, oh, my gosh. something horrible is happening. so i had my cell phone right on the side where the light was. so i just grabbed the cell phone and, you know, brought it to me and started pressing 911. >> okay. and in the process of calling 911, was there additional sounds that caught your attention? >> yes. as i was pressing 911 is when i heard very clearly that -- that i say the two yells for help. >> okay. in terms of the two individuals, the voices that you described, one a more dominant or aggressive, and the other one -- what word did you use to

describe the other one? >> higher pitched. >> the yells for help that you heard at that time, could you identify whether it was the dominant, louder voice or the higher pitched one? >> in my opinion, i truly believe, especially the second yell for help that was like a -- a yelp. it was excruciating. i really felt it was the boy's voice. after hearing the yelps for help, i still was staring down out the window. i just know it was still one person on top of each other. then i heard, like a -- from my window, pop, pop, pop. and, you know, i don't know what a gun really sounds like. i just know it was like three popping noises. >> first voice we want to bring in here is that of martin savidge. he's covering the trial for us there in sanford, florida. and so, martin, this woman, this first witness out of the gate today, jane, we hear her describe these voices, right? and ultimately one, you know,

yelling in her own words, the yelp was, as she said, the boy's voice. was the defense able to counter that on cross? >> reporter: they certainly tried. i mean, she was a very powerful witness, i think you could say. an earwitness for the state. as you point out, she was strongly maintaining that she heard two voices. one of them a dominant, strong, aggressive voice. then the other one she said was this kind of softer, lighter voice. and she was emphatic that the stronger voice, she felt in this particular case, or the lighter voice, the one that was calling for help, was trayvon martin. and, you know, this has been at the key of the debate here. because, of course, if you determine who's calling for help, then you pretty much know who is under attack and who is the aggressor. that's why this kind of testimony is so critical here. but, yes, on cross, it was don west east turn. he tried to get her to alter, maybe waver. here's some of what happened.

>> knowing that trayvon martin was shot in the chest, are you able to reconcile in your mind what you think you saw with the facts? >> that's what i saw. and that's the only thing i can tell you. is what i saw and hearing the shouts and he was face down. >> ms. surdyka, you obviously were traumatized by this. and you made certain assumptions, correct? >> assumptions? i just said exactly what i saw to the best of my ability. and heard. >> well, one of the assumptions, for example, that you made was that the voice or voices that you heard five or ten minutes before were the same people that you later heard arguing.

>> true. i thought they were the same people. because the time was close. and it was the same location. >> but you don't have any more information other than that circumstance? >> no, i do not. >> you also assumed that the confrontational voice, the one that was aggressive, was george zimmerman's? >> yes. because he was the -- the man. >> but you don't have any independent evidence of that, correct? >> correct. >> you, therefore, then, assumed that the other voice, the one that was softer, less dominant, was trayvon martin? >> yes. >> and you sort of reached those conclusions because you at some point learned that trayvon martin was 17 years old?

>> no. when i heard the voices, i definitely thought it was a man's loud, aggressive voice and the other voice just sounded like a -- you know, a higher pitched, lighter voice. could have been a smaller man. but it sounded more like a boy to me. >> or it could have been a man who has a higher voice? >> sounded more like a boy to me. >> of course. but it could have been a man with a higher voice? >> i don't know. >> just like the more aggressive, dominant voice could have been a 17-year-old with a strong voice? or more mature voice? correct? >> i guess so. >> reporter: it went by really quick here, brooke. there was a point that don west sort of implied that the woman's emotions might have impaired her memory in some way. the reason for that is her 911 call. that was played in court today. there were a lot of calls that were made that night. hers by far has to be considered the most emotional. just take a listen to some of

it. >> okay. let's listen. >> oh, my god. >> there are officers there. he has somebody at gunpoint? >> yes. >> they're going to handle the situation from here. >> oh, oh, my gosh. someone could be shot. >> it's probably going to be best if you stay inside your home for the time being, okay? >> i know. i can see somebody's killed. why didn't someone come out and help him? >> listen, we don't know they've been killed. >> he shot him. yes, the person is dead laying on the ground! oh, my god! >> so you hear this 911 call. martin savidge, do me a favor and stand by. i'm going to come back to you momentaril momentarily. criminal defense attorney page pate is here with me in studio 7. also forensic scientist larry koeb lynn ski of the john j. --

of criminal justice. criminal defense attorney mel robbins in sanford, florida. page, to you first. i was sort of watching you react to some of what this eyewitness number two, jane, was saying. in a hear i-- hearing don west, interpreting -- what was your impression? >> i think the defense attorney is making a mistake. >> why? >> if you try to confront an eyewitness or in this case an earwitness, if you will, and you're not successful, you're just reinforcing that witness's testimony. we get to hear that witness say again and again, yes, it sounded like a man's voice. yes, i think it was aggressive. so it's very risky for a defense lawyer to try to go head to head with a witness like this. >> you understand why he tried to do it? >> i guess i do. what he really needs to do is try to establish maybe she wasn't in the best position to hear this. maybe her vision was not clear. try to call into question her

ability to perceive the events. don't go head to head with her. i think that's a mistake. >> mel, do you agree that don west was unsuccessful in his attempts on cross-examination there? >> 100%. we've got to realize in a trial like this, it's typically about three steps forward and two steps back. it's like climbing a sand dune. this was by far -- i was in the courtroom when this was going down. by far the best witness for the prosecution. she was compelling. she was emotional. and here's a very important piece. she was corroborated by her own 911 call. she started crying. sybrina fulton looked down and was wiping away her tears. so the 911 call itself made her even that much more believable. but one of the things that don west did that was successful in sort of dismantling her testimony is he did get her to admit she had never heard trayvon martin's voice. had never heard george zimmerman's voice. that, yes, in fact, it could have been a man who just had a higher voice. so he did get the doubt

inserted. >> larry, as a forensics guy here, as a forensic scientist, you're very well versed when it comes to, you know, the science of voices. was this a successful attempt here? >> well, let me put it to you like this. everybody's heard of the innocence project. as of today, there are about 309 people that have been exonerated. the vast majority of the wrongful convictions were due to misidentification. the issue is whether you're an earwitness or an eyewitness, the issue is one of reliability. and whether or not we should trust the conclusions of this witness. who is emotionally wrought. i don't know. i wasn't there. but i think we have to be very, very careful paying attention to this kind of evidence. >> i think it's an important point. mel, i want to go back to you because of your unique perspective having been in this courtroom. you bring up and we saw the picture of trayvon martin's parents here. during this very emotional 911

call. and i'm sitting here and i'm wondering about these six jurors. none of whom who we get to see. but i'm wondering if you saw them in that courtroom and how they're reacting to the last, you know, two days here. initially yesterday on day two of the trial, we know that very early on the body of trayvon martin was up on this massive projector screen. that was obviously difficult for them. here we have this emotional call. how does that affect jurors? >> well, you know, brooke, i was in the courtroom yesterday as well when they showed those horrific, tragic photos of trayvon martin. you know, i got to tell you, he just looked even younger than he was in those photos. he's got a baby face. in fact, sybrina fulton left the courtroom before those went up on the huge screen. but the jurors in that instance were just stone faced. they almost kind of sat back a little bit because of the impact of those photos. today when that first -- or the first witness, rather, was on the stand, they were leaning

forward. you got to remember that this is a jury of six women. five of whom are mothers. so to see another woman getting so emotional on the stand and basically pushing back on the defense saying, it was a boy, it was the boy, it was the boy, they were so engaged and hanging on every singed word. >> we're going to continue our conversations with all our different voices here. i want to dip in as this trial is under way right now in sanford, florida. let's just listen in. here he is, george zimmerman. they're playing these 911 calls. just this morning this judge said, yes, it is okay to play these 911 calls. not calls that pertain specifically to the night in which trayvon martin was killed. but dozens of calls george zimmerman that he had to police over the course of years over what he deemed suspicious activity in his neighborhood. let's listen. >> okay. >> suspicious. it's late. they usually don't have their garage door open all night.

>> okay. george, what is your last name? >> zimmerman. >> what's your telephone number in case we need to call you back. >> -- >> are there any cars in the garage or the driveway so we make sure we're going to the right -- >> in the garage there's a silver nissan x terra. >> okay. we've already got an officer heading that way, sir. >> thank you, ma'am. >> you, too. bye-bye. >> bye-bye. >> the next call and date and time in chronological order, please. >> october 1st, 2011, at 0053. that would be at 12:53 a.m.

>> i was just calling because we've had a lot of break-ins in our neighborhood recently and i'm on the neighborhood watch. there's two suspicious characters at the gate of my neighborhood. i've never seen them before. i have no idea what they're doing. they're just hanging out, loitering. >> what's the address? >> 1111 -- circle. and that's sanford, florida. >> are those townhouses? >> yes, ma'am. >> yes, that was twin light townhouses? >> yes, ma'am. >> great. can i get your name and call back number? >> george. it's 407-435-2400. >> george, say your last name.

>> zimmerman. >> mr. zimmerman, can you describe the two individuals? >> so as you sit and look at the man who is in this courtroom in sanford, florida, who is the fir person on trial for second degree murder, we're hearing his voice over the course of several years calling into police reporting some sort of what he deems suspicious activity. we'll talk about whether or not the fact this judge made this ruling of making these calls admissible if this is a win possibly for the state or not. also, we're awaiting what could be key testimony from the girlfriend of trayvon martin there in sanford, florida. do not miss a moment of this show. our panel will be right back. matt's brakes didn't sound right... ...so i brought my car to mike at meineke...

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criminal justice. was on the casey anthony defense team. what we just heard live playing out in this courtroom, these 911 calls of the judge just today said, okay. this is okay to play these calls that george zimmerman made in the, you know, several years leading up to the night that killed trayvon martin. the question i have, page, i'll start with you here in the studio. question i have, how could this be helpful for the state's side? >> it's really important for the state if they're going to prove their theory of what happened in in case to show that george zimmerman is a wannabe cop. he's someone that wants to report suspicious activity in the neighborhood. he wants to be aggressive. he wants to respond. it's really important for the state to show he's that type of person. because that's going to make him more likely to overreact in a situation like what occurred. >> larry kobilinsky, do you agree? >> i don't agree. i just don't. i think what we see here is somebody has a job. his job is to be a community watch person.

he was doing his job to increase security in the community. that was his job to make these phone calls. and report in what's going on. of course, he's not supposed to react. he's supposed to call the police. but he's doing his job. that's all it tem tells me. >> so far today we've heard on the stand eyewitness number ten, jane, talks about hearing this as she perceived this more dominant voice and then this softer voice. we heard the cross-examination back and forth. another eyewitness as well, a former neighbor who saw, i think she described, some sort of scuffle. we are awaiting trayvon martin's girlfriend, mel, to you, since you are there and have been in the courtroom and are in the weeds, really, on this whole trial, this girlfriend as we all recall covering the case initially, the story when it happened, this girlfriend was on the phone with trayvon martin when this whole thing happened. what should we expect from her? >> well, you're going to expect very emotional testimony. she's just a teenager, for

crying out loud. she's an earwitness. she was on the phone with trayvon as he was walking home. he told her reportedly that, you know, some guy was following him. she told him to get out of there. she also heard the initial confrontation. so she's going to say that she heard trayvon say, why are you following me? and then the phone went dead. but i really doubt we're going to see her today. because they haven't even te posed benjamin crump yet. they need to do that before they would question her. i don't think we're going to see her today. it's going to be emotional when she arrives, for sure. >> let's talk also about george zimmerman. something so many people have noticed over the course of this year plus is his change in physical appearance. the weight gain. on the other side of the break, i want to ask all three of you, is this strategy? or is it merely stress? that's next.

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i want to talk about george zimmerman's weight gain. here he is. live pictures inside this courtroom in sanford. he was in much slimmer condition. he was in shape at the time of the shooting. but as you can see now, he has gotten bigger. and that could impact the jury's opinion on who had the upper hand during his fight with trayvon martin. with that, here's randi kaye. >> reporter: this is george zimmerman when he was first questioned about shooting trayvon martin. he was 5'8" and weighed 194 pounds. that was february 26th, 2012. back then zimmerman was fit. just look at his mug shot and his early court appearances. but watch as his look changed over the last year or so. his body ballooned. zimmerman's lawyer says he's gained about 120 pounds. does this look like the same man to you? we asked patty wood, a body language expert, to tell us what she sees. then and now.

>> this is a skinny george zimmerman. >> yes. >> appearing in court. what do you see? >> here we see he's very comfortable. see how he elongates his torso here? he's very proud. feels very powerful and strong. even in shackles. that's very interesting. so he's very comfortable in his body. that's important to know. >> do you see that same -- same attitude here? >> yes. obviously his walk is stilted. again, notice how elongated he is. often i see in this situation downcast, shoulders over, very, very burdened. in this case, he's not. he's feeling really comfortable in his body. >> when we showed patty the heavier set zimmerman who now weighs about 300 pounds? >> he's agitated. he's much more upset. what's remarkable to me is that he's actually comfortable with this excessive weight. that actually tells me something else.

that he's comfortable and not feeling guilty. >> how does she think the jury will respond to the more plump zimmerman? >> weight gain, excessive weight. we have a lot of negative connotations to it. it can work against him. on the other hand, before he looked like a lean, mean fighting machine. very young and fit. so we said why did he need to pull out a gun? so it may work for him in an odd way. >> reporter: and that's led to some speculation the weight gain might be a deliberate defense strategy. to make zimmerman appear less threatening. but on piers morgan's show zimmerman's attorney explained his client's weight gain was less about strategy and more about stress. >> he's gained an enormous amount of weight. over 120, 125 pounds i think because he's sitting in a house stressed trying to deal with the -- the moniker that's been put on him that he's the most hated man in america for taking the life of somebody when he really feels that he needed to.

>> reporter: fat or fit, during the next few weeks, george zimmerman along with the rest of us will be on a steady diet of courtroom drama. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> all right. we're going to talk about this change in physical appearance in just a moment. but here we have -- i want to direct your attention to these live pictures. mel, it looks like she is about to testify. this is the girlfriend of trayvon martin. this is the young woman who was on the phone with him that night about a year and a half ago. let's take a listen. >> you may proceed. >> good afternoon, ma'am. could you state your name for the record and spell your last name? >> rachel j-e-a-n-t-e-l. >> miss jeantel, what is your date of birth? >> february 1st, 1994. >> and you are how old right now? >> 19. >> okay. have you previously gone by the name of diamond or d.d.

nicknames? >> yes. >> and you currently live in miami? >> yes. >> where were you born? >> miami. >> okay. where did you grow up? >> miami. >> is your family originally from where? >> haiti and dominican. >> haiti and dominican republic? >> yes. >> was your mother born in ha i haiti? >> yes. >> and you live with your mother? >> yes. >> are you going to school at this time? >> yes. >> and what school are you going to? >> miami senior -- miami northern senior high. >> what grade will you be in starting in the fall? >> 12th. >> while you were growing up in miami, did you become friends with a person by the name of trayvon martin? >> yes. >> in fact, did you go to elementary school with him? >> objection. leading. >> i'll be glad to rephrase it. while you were in elementary school, did you meet trayvon

martin when he was in school with you? >> yes. >> okay. and later, specifically in february of 2012 last year, did you end up having contact with him again? >> yes. >> okay. specifically, in february 2012, did he end upcoming by your neighborhood and did you end up talking to him? >> he came around my area. >> okay. did you ever actually formally go on a date with him? >> no. we were just friends. >> i want to focus on february 26th of 2012. that sunday. were you living in miami and were you in miami on that date? >> yes. >> and were you aware that trayvon martin was up in sanford on that day? >> yes. >> did you talk to trayvon martin that day on the

telephone? >> yes. >> and during that day did you talk to him several times on the phone? >> yes. >> back in february 2012, was your phone number 786-419-3726? >> yes. >> was trayvon martin's number 786-312-9558? >> yes. >> okay. having interacted with trayvon martin prior to talking to him that day, do you know what type of phone did he have? did he have a cell phone? >> yes. >> okay. and did he have a cell phone that had -- i don't know what you call this -- >> headset. >> headset? >> yes. >> and do you know how that was controlled? >> yes. >> how was it controlled? >> he had a headset. >> plugs going into your ear? >> yeah. a button to talk to -- like a speaker. >> now, that evening were you all talking on the telephone? >> yes.

>> and did he describe something to you that occurred? >> yes. >> okay. i want to focus when you were talking to him on the phone, did he describe being in a particular place and the weather conditions? >> yes. >> tell us about that if you could. >> at the store or -- >> yes. at the store. >> he was going to the store for his future step-brother, i think, named chad. >> okay. did he say what he was going to go get at the store? >> a candy and an arizona. >> did he tell you the particular store that he was going to or -- >> no. corner store. that's what he said. >> and did he describe the weather conditions, whether it was sunny, rainy, snowy or what? >> it was about to rain when he was going in. >> now, did that conversation with trayvon martin continue throughout there and then also

what followed? >> yes. >> okay. and during your conversations with trayvon martin, at some points did your phone and his disconnect? >> yes. >> okay. and did either he call you back or you call him back? >> he called me back. >> okay. now, at some point did trayvon martin describe going back to the neighborhood -- i'm sorry. to the retreat at twin lakes, the complex where he was staying at? >> yes. >> okay. i want to pick up from there. did he describe when he was at the complex something happening? >> yes. >> tell us if you can what he described happening? >> a man was watching him. >> when he told you that a man was watching him, did you say anything to him? >> no. i didn't think -- >> i'm sorry? >> i did not think it was -- >> i did not think it was a big idea. so i did not. >> what happens is sometimes you've got two microphones.

it might be a little confusing. either move or -- that's all right. just get closer. you're doing fine. yohave to get close to the microphone so everybody can hear you. especially this lady right here in front. she's taking everything down so she needs to be able to hear you. and did he then say something was happening. >> yeah. >> okay. >> he said the man kept watching him. >> okay. tell us what happened then. >> he kept complaining that man was just watching him. and i just said how did the man look like? >> hold on. >> let me object to the narrative form of the testimony. >> i'll be glad to rephrase. >> could you please speak up so everybody can hear? go ahead and wait for the question. ask the question. >> you've got a very soft voice. we make sure everybody can hear you, both sides. okay? >> yes. >> all right. he -- mr. martin, trayvon martin complained? >> yeah. >> what was he complaining about? >> that a man just kept watching

him. >> your honor, i object to the narrative form of the testimony. as opposed to the questions of what was said and what the response was. >> okay. if your objection is narrative, it is overruled. you may ask your next question. >> after he said that, what -- did you say anything back to him or did he say anything back to you? >> yes. i asked him how the man looked like. he just told me the man -- the man looked creepy. >> he said the man looked creepy? >> creepy white. excusemy -- >> they're having trouble hearing you. take your time. make sure everybody can hear

you. okay. >> can you repeat what you -- >> they want you to repeat your answer. >> asked him how the man looked like. he looked like a creepy ass crapper. >> make sure we got that. creepy ass crapper. is that what you recall him saying? >> yes. >> does that to you mean like a white individual? >> yes. caucasian. >> what did you say to him or what did he say? >> he kept telling me the man was looking at him. so i had to think it might have been a rapist.

>> were you -- >> i'm sorry. i didn't hear the answer. >> okay. she's going to repeat it. can you please repeat your answer. >> go ahead. >> so he told me the man was looking at him. so i had to think it might be a rapi rapist. she said something after that. i didn't hear what she said. >> can you repeat -- i'm sorry, madam court reporter. tell me when you're ready. >> i'm ready. >> can you repeat your answer. you told him the man might be a rapist? >> yes. >> okay. what else did you say to him and what did he say to you? >> i'm sorry. >> mr. trayvon martin told you stop playing with him like that, joking like that? >> yeah. >> okay. then what happened next? >> i told him, okay. then why he keep looking at you? >> okay. did mr. martin say the guy kept looking at him? >> yeah.

he just told me he just wanted to try to lose him. by starting walking home, back home. because the rain calm a little bit down. >> so mr. martin told you he was going to try to lose the man? >> yeah. by start walking home. >> and did you say anything to him? >> no. we were just talking. and then he -- he told me the man following him now. >> the man following him? >> yeah. >> the man kept following him? >> yes. >> objection. mr. de la rionda misstated the witness's testimony in his question. could we -- >> i'd be glad -- >> just restate your question and if you could give your answer slowly for us. and loud. >> you mentioned the trayvon martin told you this man was looking at him. >> yes. >> all right. you told him that -- >> this is leading now. >> i'm trying to get to the point. >> you're objecting that you can't understand what she's saying. we're trying to get the answer

in. if you could please give us your answer. after the question, give us your answer as slowly and clearly and loudly as you can. have a seat. >> it's really hard for me to see the witness if i'm seated. we have an obstruction issue in the courtroom. >> this is the first witness you're telling me you're having an issue with seeing. if you need to move your seat to another place at the table, you may feel free to do so. >> thank you, your honor. >> thank you. >> mr. de la rionda, ask your question, please. >> you mentioned that trayvon martin said something to you. you said something back to him. follow up after you said about the man -- >> he started walking home. >> yes. >> he started walking home. >> let me stop you. he said he started walking home. >> yeah. he's going to leave the area

where the man -- >> say again. >> he's going to leave the mailing area where he was at. >> mailing area? >> yeah. where you get your mail. >> i'll make sure everybody understands what you're saying. did you say he said he's going to leave the mailing area where he's at? >> yes. >> okay. what did you take that to mean? >> that he's leaving the area. he said he's going to start walking home. >> okay. then what happened? >> so -- and then we started talking about something else about the all-star game. telling me go check for him if it's on. >> okay. so mr. martin told you he was leaving the mailing area where he was at. >> yeah. and then -- >> and you started talking about something else. >> yeah. >> what did you and mr. martin talk about? >> the all-star game. >> the all-star game meaning what? the basketball all-star game? >> the basketball all-star game that was happening that day. >> okay. tell me what happened. >> and then -- then he said the.

[ expletive ] still following me now sfwl now. >> okay. let's go slowly. did he say the word [ muted ] to describe the man now? >> yes. that's slang. >> that's slang? >> yeah. okay. [ muted ] describe the man following him still? >> yeah. now following him. >> now following him. what i want you to do, rachel jeantel -- >> he is now following? i'm sorry. i just couldn't hear. >> okay. can we one more time please give that answer again. [ muted ]. >> now the man is -- start following him. like, follow him.

>> you can't ask the questions. if you can't understand, just raise your hand. >> i apologize, your honor. we have an obstruction here. >> i'm going to wait until mr. west's in position. with the court's permission. >> your honor, i think the witness changed her answer from the first time. could we have it read back rather than having the answer just repeated differently. >> no. she can answer the question. ask the question again. >> miss jeantel, you mentioned -- what happened next. tell me what happened next. >> okay. >> we need the last question after -- after you started talking about the all-star game, you started to say what mr.

martin said to you on the phone. could you please repeat it slowly and loudly. [ muted ]. >> after mr. martin said the "n" word and said he's following me, what happened then? >> and then he just told me, and then i just told him, run. and he said -- >> you told him to run? >> yeah. >> and what did, if anything, did mr. martin say? >> he said, no, he almost right there. >> he said? >> he almost right by his daddy's fiancee's house. >> so mr. martin, you told him to run, and he said, no, he's almost by his daddy's -- >> your honor, i object. it's a misstatement of the witness's testimony. >> please sit down. could you please give your answer again. you have to say it slowly and loudly.

okay? >> yeah. >> thank you. >> here's what you need to do. move that microphone if you could a little bit -- the one in the middle. the small one. you've got two of them. >> that's not the one. bobbie, could you lift the other one up just a little bit. i think we've been having problems with that microphone all along. i think it has to be tilted up. could you speak into there and see if we can hear you? >> okay. tell us what he said. >> yeah. >> go ahead. >> and then he start -- he told me he's almost there. so as he was walking, he just complaining the man still following him. and then he told me he's going to run from the back. >> let me stop you a second. >> run from the back? >> yeah. run from the back. i said, oh. then a second later, he say he about to run from the back.

that's when i hear him and the phone just shut off. i had to call him back -- >> stop a second. make sure everybody's got it. some people are taking -- writing down notes. take your time. >> then the phone just shut off. then i had called back. he answered. >> okay. >> wait, wait, wait. the phone just shut off. then i had called back and he answered? >> yes. >> okay. let me interrupt you a second. when you say the phone cut off, meaning your connection with mr. martin? >> cut off. because he started running from the back area. >> and tid you call him back, or did he call you back? >> i called him back. >> and when you called him back, were you able to, again, start talking to him on the phone? >> yeah. >> did mr. martin then when you called him back, did you say something to mr. martin or did he say something to you? take your time when you're answering. >> he said he from -- i asked

him where he at. he told me he at the back of his daddy fiancee house. like in the area where his daddy fiancee -- by his daddy fiancee house. i said, oh, you better keep running. he said, no, he lost him. >> okay. just stop a second. this lady's got to take everything down. make sure you're -- okay. so after he said he lost him, what happened then? >> and he say he by the area that his daddy house is. his daddy fiancee house is. i told him, keep running. and he said, no, he'll just walk faster. i could sti hear him breathing hard. >> what happened after that? >> and then a second later, [ muted ].

>> yes. [ muted ]. >> that the. [ expletive ] behind me [ muted ]. >> i told him, you better run. and he had told me he already -- he almost by his tdaddy fiancee house. so i said no. i just shut my room door that connect to my door in the bathroom. >> let me make sure the jury understands that. you're not talking to mr. martin at that time. you're actually in a room. and you did what in your house? >> i was in my bathroom. i was trying to fix my hair for school the next day. >> okay. so you were talking -- how were you able to talk and fix your hair at the same time.

>> on bluetooth. >> on what? >> bluetooth. >> okay. while you were talking to him, you had a bluetooth connection. >> yes. >> and did you tell him, hold on, i'm going to go fix my hair or you just did it? you're just telling the jury what you did. >> i just did it. because the phone was just in my pocket. >> okay. what happened then after you went to another room, closed the door and fixing your hair? >> i just closed the door. >> i'm sorry. you closed the door. >> yeah. >> are you still talking to him at this point? >> yeah. >> okay. tell us what happened then. >> and then i say, trayvon. and then he said, why are you following me for? and i heard a hard breath man kind of saying, what you doing around here? >> and then i said trayvon, and he said why are you following me for and then i heard? >> a hard breathing man say what you doing around here. >> a hard breathing man say? >> what you doing around here. >> let me interrupt you. is what you just told us a

conversation you're having with trayvon or trayvon's having with someone else. >> having with someone else. >> that's what you're hearing? >> yeah. >> okay. then what happened? >> then i started saying trayvon, trayvon, what's going on. i heard a bump. i have a feeling it was the bonk of the headset. trayvon had a headset. >> you heard a bonk? >> yeah, a bonk. >> what did you assume that was? >> the headset. >> what happened then? >> then i started hearing grass sound. and grass sound -- wet grass sound. >> what do you mean you heard grass sound? >> like, grass, wet grass. >> okay. then what happened? >> then i kept calling trayvon, trayvon. i started hearing a little bit of trayvon saying get off, get off. >> let me stop you a second. you heard a grass sound and then you said something. what did you say? >> i was trying to say trayvon, trayvon, what's going on? >> what did you hear? >> trayvon -- i heard trayvon

say, get off. get off. >> then what did you hear? >> then suddenly the phone hung up. shut off. >> okay. when the phone shut off, what happened then? >> and i had called him back. >> you called trayvon martin back? >> yeah. >> were you able to talk to him again? >> no. no. >> did he, trayvon martin, ever call you back. >> no. >> did you ever talk to trayvon martin again? >> no. >> at some point you found out that trayvon martin had been killed. is that correct? >> yeah. >> okay. >> do you recall in relation to that sunday when you had a phone call with him when it was

approximately that you found out that something had happened to trayvon martin? >> it was a rumor -- >> i'm sorry? >> it was a rumor that monday when i went to school. >> i'm sorry. it was a rumor. >> that sunday he passed. monday it was a rumor going around his school. i have friends that go to his school. that go to his school. saying that he passed away. i didn't believe it. >> let me interrupt you a second. at school people were saying something happened to him? >> yeah. that he died. >> and you did not believe it? >> hmm mmm. >> when did you official find out that -- >> that tuesday afternoon. >> and do you recall how you found out that he died? >> because my friend texted me

the article. >> so you found out in the media or people told you? >> yeah. my friend had sent me the text of an article saying trayvon name, that he died. and i had asked him what time he died. i had looked at my phone. my phone said 7:16 that the phone hung up. >> so you found out that trayvon martin was dead, and then you were trying to figure out whether in relation to the last time you spoke to him -- >> yeah. i was trying to figure out how he died. how he died. >> you stated that a fight broke out. tell us what you mean by that. tell the jury what you mean by that? >> it was just a fight broke out. it was not taken serious. it was just a fight broke out. and i had thought he was already

by his daddy house. that somebody would come help him. because by another area you could have heard sounds and stuff. and i thought the daddy was there, so. >> you didn't realize that the last time you spoke to him was the day he died? >> yeah. >> okay. at some point did trayvon martin's dad call you up and tell you in terms of figuring out that you were the last person to have spoken to him on the phone? >> yes. >> now, ma'am, did you find out that trayvon martin had a wake or a funeral, too? >> yes. >> okay. and you did not go to that, correct? >> no. >> okay. when trayvon martin's dad called you up, did you tell him that you were the last person to have

talked to him? are you all right. you need to take a break? >> no, no. >> okay. do you want some water or something. >> no. >> okay. at some point you found out that people wanted to talk to you about this case, about what you had heard? >> when his father called? >> yes. >> really much i did not know what my -- if i was in any way in this case. like, my friend did go to the wake. and they did -- they say they had talked to him there. she went to the wake. >> a friend of yours went to the wake? >> yeah. like, some of my friends went to the wake. they had said -- they had said his -- his body was down, that

his body dead, he dead. >> why didn't you go to the wake and to the funeral? i'm sorry. what? >> i didn't want to see the body. >> you didn't want to see the body? >> no. >> you ended up speaking to trayvon martin's -- trayvon martin's mother. and to the parents. right? >> yes. >> okay.

and did you end up lying about not going -- why you didn't go to the wake, the funeral? >> yes. >> and why did you lie about not going to the funeral or to the wake? >> i felt guilty. >> you felt guilty about what? >> because i was the last person -- i was the last person who he talked to. that i was the last person to talk to their son. and i didn't go to the wake. no respect.

>> ms. jeante lerks, since that time, have you heard the recording -- telephone recording where there's cries for help and then a shot? have you heard that on tv and stuff? >> yes. >> okay. the cries for help, are you able to say whose voice that is or voices that is? >> trayvon. sounded like trayvon. >> let me have a moment, your honor. i don't have any further questions. thank you. >> thank you. cross? >> would this be a good time for a short break for everyone? >> you okay if we take a short break? >> yeah. okay. ladies and gentlemen, we'll take a 15-minute recess. >> wow. well, that was rachel jeantel being questioned by the state so far. they're taking a quick break

before she is cross-examined by the defense team. but as you saw at the very end there, getting emotional. when she was questioned as far as why she wasn't at her friend's wake and funeral. let's talk about a number of things that she said with vinnie politan, host of hln's "after dark." you've been all over this. sitting here with me, you and i have been talking through this whole thing, sort of. begin with what the state was trying to do in their line of questioning. what were they establishing with her initially? >> this is the most -- i think their most important witness. >> yeah. >> because this is the closest person you have to an eyewitness to the moment of the confrontation. because there's no one in that neighborhood who sees it. the only person who has said anything about that moment is george zimmerman. so this is the other side of it. this is the closest you're going to get to trayvon martin speaking in that courtroom. and it was through his friend who he's on the phone with just moments before the confrontation when he was shot and killed. >> this is why, clearly, both teams are hanging on her every

word. you hear the judge's voice to repeat. making sure they're moving the microphones to make sure they understand her every word. let me just be clear to you, our viewer, there were parts in there, i know some of you were tweeting me that we at cnn, you couldn't hear some of the language. it was language. because of that it just wasn't fit for cable television. so we hit the mute button basically on that. but on that point, you did sort of hear one phrase she used. when she's describing this phone call, when she's on the phone with trayvon martin. she's describing this man. trayvon martin says it was a man who kept watching him. man looked like a crazy bleep cracker. >> yeah. >> what do you make of that language? >> well, it's good and bad for the prosecution. it's good and bad for the defense. the last word you use. that's bad for the prosecution, good for the defense. because maybe it shows some sort of anger on the part of trayvon martin. but he also described him as creepy. >> mm-hmm. >> what was really important for prosecutors to try to get out is that trayvon martin's trying to

get home and he feels threatened to a certain extent. he feels like some creepy guy is following him. and that's important to get in front of this jury. again, what the defense is saying is that trayvon martin is the attacker. trayvon martin is the one who at some point decided to hide in the darkness, lurch out, and attack and try to kill george zimmerman. so this is the other side of it. this is a significant witness. her credibility is so important for the prosecution. >> what did you think of that, mel? you're standing by. you've been in the courtroom earlier today and yesterday. are you with me, mel? >> oh, yeah. i'm here. i'm sorry. they were asking me to check the mike. >> no worries. i hear you loud and clear. tell me, what did you make of that testimony, rachel jeante lerl on the stand. >> i'm completely surprised they brought her in at this stage. the prosecution has been bouncing all over the place. typically you want to tell a

comparative narrative. the fact she dropped all those racial slurs to me made her credible. i realize she's a terrible speaker. overall i got to be honest with you, what i feel terrible about, if she's telling the truth i think there's a large number of people that will discount her because she's a very poor speaker. was clearly nervous. and i'm very nervous for her. to see what happens on cross-examination. because she's clearly out of her element. and unnerved and upset. and i'm sure it was very traumatic for her. but i think this is a witness that's going to be very controversial. and if the prosecution's case hinges on her, forget about it. >> i want to get to the cross-examination in just a moment. but you could see in the courtroom even trayvon martin's family sort of wiping away some tears as she begins to cry. as she is asked, you know, why weren't you at the funeral of trayvon martin. and you hear her. that's when she begins to get

emotional, saying she didn't want to see the body. and she had. it was proven she had lied initially saying she was at the hospital. that was the reason why she wasn't at the funeral. and she admits to lying. she said ultimately there on the stand it was guilt. she felt guilty. she was the last person to have talked to him. >> brooke, i don't think you're going to see the defense go after her and try to decimate her based on the lie she told. she's a high school student who just lost her best friend. in the biggest case in america at the time. >> what do they do? how do they handle this on cross? >> i have no idea. you can't understand half the things that she's saying. i think they're going to have to just really tease out very slowly and use her own words to try to contradict the details. i kind of smugged and made a weird expression, brooke, and i'm sure many of you did when she said she heard the sound of wet grass. really? what does that sound like exactly? so there were aspects to what she was saying that didn't seem credible. and you're going to see the

defense go straight at her and try to use her own words to trip her up. to get her to admit that some of the details are things that she maybe made up later or made up based on the news as we saw with the witness that came before her. frankly i'm surprised -- go ahead. >> mel, i think where they're also going to go is with ben crump, who's the family attorney who does the first interview with her. they're going to try to make all her testimony look like it was tainted and created by the attorney for trayvon martin's family. i think that's the way they're going to try to attack her without actually attacking her. by really using her to attack ben crump. >> let me bring one more voice in here. hang on, mel. let me bring in senior legal analyst with us here at cnn, jeff toobin. who i know also has been watching and listening. jeff, i'm sure you agree this has been an integral witness thus far in this trial here on day three. what to you make of sort of the

questioning from the state and also some of her language on the stand? >> she's unpolished to say the least. she is hard to understand. but i have to say, i think it lends a certain authenticity to her testimony. she doesn't sound like someone who's making stuff up. and the gist of what she's saying, i think, is actually very favorable for the prosecution. she's on the phone. they're talking about nothing in particular. and all of a sudden trayvon martin says this creepy guy, this cracker, he's following me around. is that something she just made up? it didn't sound like it was something she made up. it sounded like a credible story. and if the jury believes that, they believe that george zimmerman almost certainly is the agreser in the confrontation which is the key issue in the whole case. even though she's not a conventionally effective witness, i actually think, at least this far, before cross-examination, she's -- she could make a helpful impression on the jury for the prosecution. >> also i think it's just

important pointing out you heard the defense's attempts at objecting. i was asking you, vinnie, a little bit about that. i think when i hear this judge's voice, this strong female voice, she's not messing around. >> no, she isn't. part of it was because no one was understanding what the witness was saying. so the defense wanted it to be repeated. but the prosecutor can't lead the witness. so you can't just give her yes/no questions. yet she can't go off on a narrative. they were in a strange place there. i think jeffrey makes a great point. her saying those things that aren't so helpful, that don't make trayvon martin look so helpless, actually bolster her credibility, makes the story sound like it's real. the wet grass. they're going to go after that. also the defense is going to go after, was trayvon martin saying get off of me? because that's an important part of this. because if trayvon martin's saying get off of me, that contradicts what george

zimmerman said. >> i wanted to pull up precisely what was said on the stand. let's see. she had testified -- she heard trayvon martin saying, why are you following me for. and heard a hard breathing man say what are you doing around here. then heard trayvon say, get off, get off. jeff toobin, what do you think about the defense? how do they handle her next? >> well, i think you -- you poke various holes. i don't think you can discredit the whole story. but you establish that she is essentially part of the martin family. that she was talked to by mr. crump, the lawyer for the family. that she's obviously sympathetic. and you suggest that she is tilting her testimony in that direction. we want -- we're going to want to know what other versions of this story she's told. presumably, if there are contradictions, the defense will bring that out. that's classic cross-examination material. your story has changed over

time. i think that's -- that's probably the best they can do. it may be -- it may be good enough. because she is not a powerful presence on the witness stand. she is -- she's mumbling. it's very hard to understand her. she's nervous. so they may be able to push her around. but let's see. the jury also may feel a certain sympathy. >> i agree there. one other thing -- >> she's just a kid. >> going into 12th grade. >> in a very unusually pressured situation with her friend who was just killed in cold blood. >> i think one other point they'll bring out is that when she's initially interviewed, trayvon martin's parents are in the room. i'm sure the defense is going to bring that out on cross-examination again trying to make that link that, as jeffrey says, she's part of the family. we'll see how effective it is. >> let me have all four of you stand by. they're in recess. then she'll be cross-examined by the defense team. in the meantime, certainly not a slow news day. breaking developments in the aaron hernandez story. now former new england patriots

tight end, he's since been released from the team because he now faces a murder charge in relation to what has been described as a friend, this man by the name of odin lloyd found dead. more on this breaking story next.

all right. welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. breaking news continuing on cnn. now we know pro football star, now former tight end of the new england patriots aaron hernandez

has been charged with murder. these are live pictures inside this courthouse. we're going to dip in in just a moment. let me just give you a little bit of background. a short time ago the former patriot has been in court. he's accused of killing this 27-year-old man by the name of odin lloyd who was found dead less than a mile from hernandez's home there in massachusetts. police had arrested hernandez earlier today. they took him away in handcuffs. the patriots released hernandez just a short time after his arrest. again, this is happening. he's being arraigned in court right now in massachusetts. let's listen in. >> we are still in session. >> quiet, please. >> thank you, your honor. your honor, we would ask the court to enter an order of restricted public comment on this case. we believe it is necessary given the events that have occurred

both in the past week, the numerous reports that have been in the media, that have been false. some of those reports attributed to -- we have discussed this with mr. mccully. in the commonwealth's point of view last week, i spoke with the district attorney about those reports. and the commonwealth shared my concern about what was being percolated into the public arena. which has the potential to prejudice mr. hernandez and also prejudice any jury that would one day hear this case. we've spoken with mr. mccully. it's you are understanding the the commonwealth agrees an order of restricting public comment on this case is appropriate at this time. >> we concur. >> now, sounds easy in principle. in practicality, as i understand it, we have the obligation, we have done that by making this proceeding available to the public. it's required. the court is a public court.

now, the court will issue an order restricting public comment. you heard -- the court has constitutional authority -- >> i'd be happy to address that, your honor. >> sure. >> first, obviously the rules of professional conduct apply to the lawyers in this case. and address this issue quite clearly. what we are concerned about is is other parties that may have access to facts in this case as the grand jury process plays out, as the pretrial process plays out. what we would ask is just a simple order that would issue from this court to note that anyone involved in this case, we're not seeking to restrict the press or media or anyone else or raise a constitutional issue. what we are asking for is that an order issue that would retrickett individuals involved in this case, both on the defense side and on the prosecution side, which would include law enforcement investigators and the like, from

releasing any comment or commenting about this case while it is pending so as not to prejudice this defendant's rights. >> mccully? >> your honor, it's always our intention to only comment -- to say what's been -- no comment on anybody -- by any agent of ours. investigator, assistant d.a., civilians, keeping them -- but that is not going to be coming from the government's case. i agree as to we want to -- [ indiscernible ] factually wrong and not coming from law enforcement. total totally, totally inaccurate.

[ indiscernible ] >> perhaps you were -- >> would be happy if the order was focused on substantive evidence in this case. commenting about the evidence in this case. if that would help the court here. >> well, certainly the court has to be mindful in this case. the reports that are attributed to certain matters. this court last week we know not to be accurate. it is obviously a concern. the court has the pow tore maer make -- [ indiscernible ]

-- this is a matter -- >> all right. obviously the audio is kind of tricky there inside the courtroom. you're looking again, though, at live pictures in attleboro, massachusetts. we'll talk to two different people here. sunny hostin, let me bring you in as a former prosecutor, cnn legal analyst. here we have this man who is now facing a murder charge against this 27-year-old odin lloyd. this man was apparently friends with hernandez. his body found with a gunshot wound less than a mile from hernandez's home. police have been searching in and around aaron hernandez's home over the last couple of days. a wooded area. also a strip club. now here we have him arrested today. this is the arraignment. charged with murder. your reaction. >> this is remarkable. certainly there wasn't a rush to judgment, right? as you said, several search warrants were executed at his

home. he did have an attorney there. there were items taken out of his home. he relinquished, apparently, a cell phone that had been destroyed. there was evidence he had destroyed his home surveillance system and had also hired a cleaning crew to clean his home shortly after the body was found. certainly that would raise red flags. ly i will tell you, brooke, what surprised me is the fact he did have a lawyer, yet the police chose to execute the arrest warrant at his home, lead him what they call a perp walk in front of the cameras. that tells me they are very, very comfortable in the evidence they have against him. so this is quite surprising to me. because it took quite a long time, right, for this to come -- to come to fruition. earl l earlier we were talking about perhaps an arrest on obstruction of justice. which is nothing in comparison to an arrest on murder charges.

>> let me play some sound. this is the list of charges. including murder that was read aloud in the courtroom that now aaron hernandez faces. >> your honor, the defendant is charged with the murder of odin lloyd, 27-year-old man who lived in boston. he lived at that home with his family and he was last seen leaving in the company of the defendant on june 17th, 2013, at approximately 2:30 in the morning. his body was discovered 5:30 p.m. by a jogger running in an area, secluded area in an industrial park. >> jeff toobin, let me bring you in here as well. senior legal analyst. the audio is difficult to hear. some of what's being said there in this courtroom. did i hear -- i heard the word media. are they talking gag order? >> yes. they were. the defense attorney was asking for a gag order that seemed way

beyond anything that the constitution allows. he seemed to be asking for a gag order for anyone talking about the case that seemed almost to include the news media. now, again, the sound cut out. but a judge is certainly within his rights to order the defense team, the prosecutors, not to discuss the case with the news media. but you certainly can't stop the news media from reporting on a story. >> how would that even work? >> i don't know. it would be what's known as a prior restraint. which is something that is unconstitutional in basically every circumstance you can imagine. i don't think the judge is going to do anything like that. and defense attorneys are used to asking for a lot and maybe settling for a little. but in criminal cases, we've all covered a lot of criminal cases, you know, high profile criminal cases, there is sometimes a gag order on the -- the people directly involved on prosecution

and defense side. you certainly can't gag the boston news media, the national news media, every possible witness in the case, the new england patriots, the management. so i think if -- if a gag order is granted, it will be considerably more limited than the one the defense attorney was asking for in court. >> jeff toobin, thank you. stand by. we have a lot going on today. sunny hostin, thank you. that just ended. more breaking news. nelson mandela. news on nelson mandela, the iconic nelson mandela in prison under apartheid for 27 years in south africa who has been in this hospital since the 8th of june with this recuring lung infection. he's been most recently in critical condition in pretoria, south africa. that's where we have issa sesay. >> reporter: we have just been able to confirm, cnn has a short

time ago, just been able to confirm that former president nelson mandela is now on life support in that hospital just behind me, the pretoria heart hospital. i must point out that throughout the day south african nurps, south african medias has been reporting the former president was, indeed, in this state on life support. cnn has now been able to confirm it. cnn being briefed by one of the sources that is, indeed, the case. the former president has now been in critical condition for four days. as you said he was admitted to hospital on june 8th. it is worth pointing out to our viewers this is his third hospitalization this year alone. south africans are in a state of anxiety, brooke, as you might imagine given how much he means to them. there's also this sense there's a kind of grim resignation that they are preparing themselves for the very worst, brooke. >> isha sesay with the news that nelson mandela now on life support in this hospital in pretoria, south africa.

we have crews there obviously. if his condition changed in the lightest, we will update you on that. allow me to pivot backflori. back to the george zimmerman trial. we played for you live the testimony of a woman, rachel jeantel, a friend of trayvon martin, the last person to have spoken to him on that night in february 2012 before he was shot and killed. she spoke. she was being questioned about the state moments ago, about that phone call and what he was saying, talking about a man following him. now she's being cross-examined by the defense. let's watch this. >> did you become reacquainted because trayvon martin would come into the neighborhood where you live -- >> yes. >> to meet some of his friends. >> we're friends, yes. we're friends. >> that trayvon martin would come to your neighborhood with his friends? >> no. his friends live in my

neighborhood. >> okay. so he would come into your neighborhood to -- >> hang out. ride bikes. play games. >> mm-hmm. is that how he met up with you again? >> yes. >> and then right about february 1st, on your birthday, is that when you and he began to talk and text frequently? >> laugh around, yes. >> say again? >> laugh around, yes. laugh around. playing around, yes. >> so you would then talk with him on the phone quite a bit and text with him beginning about february 1st? >> yes. >> but you weren't in any way his girlfriend? >> no. >> and you hadn't ever actually gone on a date? >> no. >> from february 1st until february 26th when he died, would you have seen him only two or three times in person?

>> three time -- no. i saw him a lot. a lot. before he went out of town. >> when did he go out of town? >> the week before he died. >> so between february 1th and february 19th or 20th, you saw him a few times? >> yes. >> but not -- not in a boyfriend/girlfriend kind of way? >> no. >> and then when he went out of town, when he came up to sanford, did you continue to talk with him on the phone and text him? >> yes. >> and did you do that on through sunday, february 26th, that we've been talking about here today? >> yes. >> on february 26th, did you text with him throughout the morning and early afternoon? >> yes. >> and then also talked with him at some length during the day?

>> i didn't hear what you said. what'd you say? >> then you talked with him a lot during the day itself? >> yes. the whole day. text and talk. >> so basically all day you and he were on the phone? >> yes. or somebody put three way. he had three-way. signed up with some of my friends on the phone at that time. >> so sometimes there would be more than just you on the phone with him? >> yes. >> okay. your honor, let me offer evidence 2a into evidence by agreement or without objection. >> okay. it's marked as 2a?

>> that's what it says. >> where would we get a 2a? [ indiscernible ] >> nobody told me they marked something up to -- if it's stipulated as evidence it would come in as 16. >> i have no objection, your honor. >> okay. what you have premarked as exhibit aa will come into evidence as defense exhibit 16.

>> judge, i misplaced the extra copy. just for reference -- >> here. >> that would be fine. so the witness could take a look at this. >> you may approach her. >> just for the witness's frame of reference. it's been -- ms. jeantel, this is the list of times, the beginning time and end time of the calls between you and trayvon martin on february 26th. do you see what that looks like and see what it says? >> mm-hmm. >> okay. i may ask you to use that to refresh your recollection to be able to pinpoint -- >> there should be more. >> this call record begins at

5:09:36. >> no. >> to you see that? >> i see that. but it didn't begin at 5:09. it began around 12-something. >> right. right. what you're saying is that there were more calls during the day between you and trayvon martin than what are shown here on this list? >> yes. >> well, the list only starts at 5:09:36 p.m. do you see that? >> yes. >> and then the end time of the call is marked by the other column. there's a start time, and then an end time. >> yes. >> so, for example, the first call starts at 5:09:36. and then ends at 6:30:01. do you see that? >> yes. >> the next call starts at 6:30:40 and then ended at

6:43:15. do you see that? >> yes. >> the next one starts at 6:41:05 and ends at 6:44:32. >> yes. >> and the next one starts at 6:45:01 and ends at 6:49:17. >> yes. >> the next one starts at 6:49:46 and epds at 6:53:31. >> yes. >> the next one starts at 6:53:47 and ends at 6:53:55. >> yes. >> the next one starts at 6:54:00 and ends at 6:54:33. >> yes. >> the next one starts at 6:54:16 and ends at 7:11:47.

>> yes. >> and then the next and final call on the list starts at 7:12:06 and ends at 7:15:43. >> yes. >> and these are represented to be the various phone calls not necessarily that you made. they could be that -- calls that mr. martin made to you. >> yes. >> but they were calls that you and mr. martin were on together that evening. >> yes. >> do you remember about what time trayvon martin told you he was leaving the house to go to the store? >> 6:00-something. 6:00. around 6:00. >> were you talking with him while he was on his way to the store? >> yes. >> and did you talk with him

while he was at the store? >> yes. >> and then did you continue to talk with him after he left the store? >> yes. >> do you know which of these phone calls might have been the time when he was at the store? >> nope. >> there is a picture in evidence that shows mr. martin as the 7-eleven at 6:23 in the afternoon. using that as a frame of reference, do you remember talking to mr. martin while he was inside the store? >> yes. >> and then there's also in evidence a telephone call that was made in connection with mr. martin being in the neighborhood at 7:09. you don't see that one on here, but pointing that out to you for

that time frame, from 6:23:49 until 7:09:11, i think -- okay. that time period is what i'd like to concentrate on for the moment. are you with me? >> no. you lost me. >> trayvon martin was in the 7-eleven getting the snacks that you talked about. >> yes. >> at 6:23:49. okay? because his picture was taken by the camera at the store that's marked on that date and time. >> mm-hmm. >> okay. and then the telephone call to the police that mr. zimmerman made is at 7:09:34.

so that's the time period i'd like to concentrate on for a moment. >> mm-hmm. >> so knowing that mr. martin left the store at 6:23:49, or thereabouts, and mr. zimmerman saw him in the retreat at twin lakes complex at 7:09:34, are you able to tell me about what you and mr. martin talked about during that time period and where, if any, where he went other than to the complex where his father's fiancee was staying? >> that night? >> yes. >> the rain had got him. the rain. the rain got -- he got caught by the rain.

he was at mails plaing place, t mailing area. >> did he tell you then as he left the store that it started to rain? >> yes. >> and that he ran to the -- or walked quickly to the mail area? >> shortcut. >> pardon me? >> a shortcut to the mailing area. >> a shortcut from where to where? do you have any idea? >> no. >> but he told you that he was going to run over to the mail area? >> yes. >> do you know if that was the mail area that was in the complex where he was staying, or was that, perhaps, in another complex in between the story and where he was staying? >> the complex that he was staying on. because i had asked him where he was at. he say he's in a place where his father is staying at. >> it's also been indicated that it's about a mile, give or take a little, from the store to the complex where he was staying.

>> no, i don't know where -- i don't know -- i never been there. >> you don't have any idea, then, what the distance might be? >> no. i never been there. >> so what i'm trying to understand from you at this point is, do you have any idea where trayvon martin went between leaving the store at about 6:23 in the after -- in the late afternoon before the phone call was made at 7:09:34? >> what? repeat what you're saying. i'm confused. repeat. >> there's about 35 or 40 minutes there between when he left the store and when he was seen in the complex. so i'm trying to understand from you, do you have any idea where he went or what he was doing at that point? >> he was at the mailing place. talking to me to check the television for the all-star

game. did they start. >> but he had to go about a mile to get from the store to what you believe is the mail place. was there any conversation about where he was going or why it would take him so long to get there? >> he was walking around. >> in any event, what you believe is that after he left the store, he went right over to the mail place in the -- >> yeah. the rain had caught him. >> -- complex? i'm sorry. >> the rain had caught him. from when he got caught by the rain. and he did a shortcut to the mailing area. >> so are you saying, then, that what you believe, anyway, that he was in the vicinity of the mail area? >> he was right by the place that -- the place where the house is at, i think. >> i don't follow you.

sorry. i'm trying to get just a sense of perspective. as far as you can tell, from what you remember saying, was that -- that when trayvon martin said to you that he was in the mail area, that you believe that to be the complex? >> he was standing under -- he was standing under the mail area. >> and you don't have any information as to where he went or why it took him so long to get there? >> no. >> let's talk for a minute about how you came to be involved in the case. do i understand correctly that the night of the event, you believed it was just a fight and that you did not think it was

necessarily important to call anybody and tell them that you were on the phone with trayvon martin when whatever happened happened? >> i don't understand what you're talking about. what part are you at? that they -- the time -- after i got off the phone with trayvon? >> at that point, i believe you said that when the phone disconnected -- >> i had called back. >> and you got no answer. >> no answer. >> and you believed that it was just a fight. >> and then i believed -- i told you, i had believed that it was just a fight. and he already told me he was by his father house. so i thought his father was going to help him. and i did hear like sounds from the background like people could help him. so i never thought it was that deadly serious. so i had called back a number before. >> so your impression that night

was that whatever happened, it was a fight. correct? >> yeah. that broke out. >> and you don't know exactly how it broke out? >> well, no. >> correct? >> no. >> what you do know, though, is there was a point in time when trayvon martin was saying to you he had lost the guy? >> yes. >> and that after that, there was a time when he said he sees him. >> again. >> again? >> yes. >> and at that point you told him to run, and he said no. >> because -- he said no because he was right by his father house. in my mind, like, a couple houses away. >> what he did instead, though. >> walk faster. >> right. but what he did instead was that he turned to george zimmerman and said, why you following me? >> no. >> that's the first thing you heard, wasn't it? >> i had closed the door.

i had a bluetooth on. i had a bluetooth on. and he would have told me that he was going to turn around. he did not tell me he was going to turn around. none of that. or he would just end the phone call with me. he'd say i'll call you back if he was going to do that. >> after he told you that he saw the man again. >> he had saw the man again. >> the next thing that you heard him say was why you following me? >> objection, your honor. asked and answered. >> overruled. >> next thing i heard, next thing i heard, i had closed the door. and i heard say trayvon, why you following me. yes. you can go. you can go. >> i'm sorry. takes me a little bit of time

sometimes to come up with the next question. >> you can go. >> okay. so at that point then was when you heard what you believed trayvon martin to have said, why you following me? >> yes. >> at that point, george zimmerman said what are you talking about. >> what you doing around here. what are you doing around here. >> when you talked with mr. crump, do you remember talking with mr. crump on the phone? >> yes. no. not really. >> you don't really remember that? >> no. because that day i was not really wanting to talk to him that much. because i don't know him. i did not know him around that time. and i was so shaken up. and with everything -- really

rush on everything. the interview. the -- everything that was going on. the only thing i thought was about going on that day was yjut the letter. the letter. >> maybe what we should do, then, is sort of fill in some of the gaps. if you don't follow me, just let me know. after the event on february 26th -- >> yes. >> then a day or two later you realized that trayvon martin had died. >> yes. >> and that you realized that you were the last person to have talked with him. >> yes. >> and you didn't report that to anyone? >> they said they had got the person who shot trayvon. i never thought i was a witness of this situation. >> we'll take that in smaller pieces, if we could.

so you realized, then, that you were the last person to have spoken with trayvon martin. >> yes. because -- >> but you did not report it to law enforcement? >> no. i thought they was to call you. call the person. like, track the number down. see who was the last person if somebody got shot. >> oh, you said they were supposed to call you? >> yeah. they never did. so i thought i wasn't a witness. they had got the person. they already had the person who shot trayvon. and i thought that the daddy was there, people was there. there was a witness. >> you had learned, then, i take it, that trayvon martin died and that the person that had shot him had been identified? >> yes. and was arrested. >> was arrested. >> yes. >> okay. so you thought case closed. >> yeah. >> so you didn't contact anyone to say that you were the last person to have talked with him?

>> friends. >> right. not law enforcement or -- >> no. >> -- or parents or anything like that? >> no. >> so you thought, then, that somebody at some point would figure that out? with the cell phones? and then contact you? >> yes. that's not what officers do? do you watch "first 48"? >> i didn't hear you. >> do you watch "first 48"? they call the first number that the victim talked to. >> i'm sorry. "the first 48"? >> a show. "first 48." when a victim die, they call the number that the victim called before they had -- they didn't call my number. so -- and they had already got the person. so case closed, i thought. >> so some time passed, i take it, and you just assumed the case was over with. >> yeah. they already had the person who shot him. >> and then that changed, i take

it? you realized that, in fact, george zimmerman had not been arrested? >> when the father -- well, that sunday. after the father had called me. that second time. >> you realized sometime between february 26th and the time that tracy martin contacted you that george zimmerman had, in fact, not been arrested. >> february 26th? >> right. >> i thought he was arrested. >> on february 26th, trayvon martin died. >> february 26th, this what i was getting from my friends. february 26th, they said trayvon got shot. and trayvon -- the person who shot trayvon was arrested. >> when did you learn that? >> my friend told me, like, that

was a tuesday. >> the two days afterwards? >> yeah. when i really found out that he was dead. >> and then nobody else had called you about the case, so you didn't take it upon yourself to talk with anybody about -- anybody in law enforcement or anybody connected with -- >> no. i never thought i was a witness. >> -- mr. martin's family? and then sometime passed, about march 18th, is that correct? >> 17th. >> march 17th. >> saturday. >> pardon me? >> saturday, march -- i think that was a saturday. >> it was a saturday in march. about the middle of march? >> yes. >> around the 17th or 18th, probably? >> 17th. that was a saturday. >> could we check that?

you believe that the 17th was a saturday? it could have been. i don't know. but that was -- that same weekend is when you got the call from -- >> the first phone call from his father. actually, he asked me, he see i'm the last person who had talked to trayvon. he -- >> so did he tell you that he had found the telephone record -- >> no. he -- well, yes. he had seen that i had talked to trayv trayvon. >> so mr. martin contacted you and he believed you may have been the last person to talk with his son, trayvon? >> he saw me the last -- he seen on his son's -- i don't know. phone record. that i was the last person that talked to trayvon. >> you -- what you took from that was that mr. martin had somehow identified your number. >> yeah. >> as the last number. >> yeah.

>> and he called you about it? >> had talked. talked to trayvon. >> correct. that the numbers matched up. the last one on the list. >> yes. >> at that point, did you know anything more about the case? >> nope. >> you didn't know that by then, george zimmerman had not been arrested? >> nope. i don't watch the news. >> nobody at school, nobody said your friend trayvon martin was killed. >> no. >> and the person who shot him hasn't been arrested? >> no. >> you had no idea? >> no. >> in any event, when -- how about at the -- the wake that you talked about. i know you didn't go. but that was early march, correct? march 2nd or 3rd, around there? do you know? >> march 2nd.

>> you had some friends that went. >> yeah. >> had anybody told you that had gone to the wake that they knew george zimmerman had not yet been arrested? >> they didn't know either. they would have told me. they did not know trust me, they were texting me like crazy what was going on at the wake. they would have told me, but they didn't tell me that. they didn't know, either. after i brought it up like that sunday that i had got a call for, um, his father. >> so, in other words, there wasn't any talk at school, there wasn't any talk at the wake. >> nothing about it. >> nothing in the news that you heard -- >> i don't watch the news. the only time i watch the news is for weather. >> so by march 17th or 18th, you still didn't know that george

zimmerman had not been arrested. >> no. >> you talked with tracy martin, and he said, would you talk with his lawyer? >> that sunday, i had received a call from a 944 number. >> let's back up first to the conversation with tracy martin. >> that is that day. that's the day he told me -- well, not me, but would you talk to my attorney. >> in the call where he says he thinks you're the last person to talk to tray von martin, he wanted you to talk to his attorney. >> can you talk to my attorney? >> and he did not ask you to contact law enforcement? >> no. he wanted you to talk to his attorney? >> yes. >> did you know he had an attorney at that point? >> no. had you seen any press conferences or news or whatever in which -- >> i told you, i do not watch

news. i do not watch news. >> so mr. martin asked you if you will talk to his attorney? >> yes. >> then the next thing that happened was you got a call from a 954 number? >> yes. and who was that? >> his father. >> i'm sorry, i thought you were talking with tray von martin's father and he wanted you to talk to his attorney. >> yes. >> what happened next? >> that was just it. >> did you agree? >> well, yes. >> and at that point, you agreed because? because you thought it was a racial thing of some sort? >> what? the situation? >> yeah. >> not really. i was really confused. >> didn't you say? your statement the reason you

got involved was because you thought it was a racial thing? >> what interview? >> we'll come back to that, but let's continue with the sequence. >> after you had the conversation with mr. martin, her wanted you to talk to his attorney. >> yes. >> and did you make arrangements to do that? >> yes. well, no. >> who made arrangements? >> nobody. we just hung up the phone. that's it. >> and then did you wait for someone to call you? >> yes. >> and who called you at that point? >> not that day. the next day, march the 19th. that was a monday. that monday, i went to school, i got a phone call. i did not answer. they left a voice message, and then they left me a long text. >> when you say "they" who are

you speaking of? >> his mother. >> do you know -- >> his mother. >> do you know tray von's mother to be sabrina fulton? >> yes. >> and sabrina fulton sent you a text wanting you to talk with the attorney? >> yes. >> and you agreed to do that later that day? >> yes. i wanted to talk to my mother before i -- so she can agree for me to talk to her and her attorney. >> your mother was out of the country, though? >> yes. >> so -- >> she didn't know my mother was out of the country. she don't know my mom. >> no, i was just confirming that you knew your mother was out of the country. >> yes. >> and you wanted to talk to your mother? >> she wanted to talk to my mother. she wasn't my age. >> i lied to her and said you were 16? >> yes.

>> she wanted to speak to my mother before she talked to me. >> did she know your age? >> she didn't know my mother. ms. fulton wanted to talk to your mother? >> before she talked to me. >> is that because you lied about your age? >> she didn't know my age. she thought i was a minor just like tray von. >> but you weren't, actually, you were. >> is that what happened? >> kind of. i called her -- my mother had a cell phone. we could reach her out of town, for maybe -- i called her. i didn't tell her everything. i just told her to say no. she didn't say no. she agreed to an interview.

>> your mother agreed to allow you to be interviewed by the martin family attorney? >> yes. i had told her don't say -- because i really did not want to meet the mother in that situation. >> i didn't hear you -- i didn't understand irnts i did not want to meet the mother that way in that situation. >> you didn't want to meet -- >> sabrina. >> you didn't want to meet her? >> hmm-um. >> is that what you're saying? >> because of situation? >> um-hmm. yes. >> so instead you agreed to the interview with her attorney? >> yes. she just asked me to speak to the attorney and then -- wait. i'm getting confused. can i tell you what happened that day? that day that march 19th, that date -- >> is that the day that you had the interview? >> yes. >> well, sure, it might be

easier if you just go ahead and tell it, then we'll go from there. >> all right. that monday, i got a phone call, and i did not answer. i had a text by sabrina. she had told me, hi, this is sabrina, blah blah, i don't know all the things. can i speak to your mother, please? >> i told her that my mother would deal with the situation later she had said, okay. tell your mother to reach me on this number. i said okay. so that day. that day after school, i had called my mother and i had told her -- because i know they wanted to meet up with me. who? >> who is "they"? >> her -- >> who wanted to meet up with you? >> her, sabrina, the mother, to

speak to me about what happened that night that her son died. and i told my mother to stay no, because my plan was to give her that letter to give -- not me, but one of her friends, who had known her, who was working for her. give he the letter and i'll be done with it. but i put my mother on three-way -- i put my mother on three-way. i had called her, and then i explained to her -- and then i called my mother, and i already told my mother what to say, and she had -- i lefted phone for --

next thing i hear i hearabler are i hear her agrees for me to meet sabrina. >> to meet with mids fulton? >> yes. >> and you thought that if you did, that would be the end of it? i thought you said you could meet with her or give her a letter and that would be the end of it. >> well, i could tell her a little bit what happened, to text message a bit what happened that night. >> well, of course, you would certainly expect that, wouldn't you? >> yeah. >> of course. who wouldn't? >> so at that point no one had talked with you about what you

knew had happened? >> yeah. >> so you agreed to talk with ms. fulton and tell her what happened? >> yeah. i agreed. >> you didn't really want to? welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we're continuing our live coverage of the george zimmerman trial in the death of tray von martin. rachel jontell is on the stand. let's go back to it now. >> so this is -- >> i didn't want to see somebody cry. you wouldn't want to see people crime. >> of course. >> i'm not an emotional person.