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good evening, everyone. it is hard to imagine a bigger night for news, with history being made at the supreme court. also an nfl player charged with murder, and a blockbuster day in the george zimmerman trial. the woman on the phone with martin during the last minutes, compelling testimony and cross examination by the defense and the texas lawmaker who is a hero to some over the fight for abortions spoke for hours with critics saying it would make
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abortions unavailable in most of the states. wendy davis joins us tonight. we begin with the supreme court's two decisions on same-sex marriage. one striking down a key provision of the federal defense of marriage act. the other effectively allowing same-sex marriage in the state of california. here is how it look and sounded in the high courts moments after the ruling came down. [ cheers ] >> jubilation there and among equality supporters as word spread of the two decisions. in one the court by a 5-4 majority striking down doma which among other things barred same-sex marriage writing for the majority in texas, justice anthony kennedy declared doma in violation of the fifth amendments equal protection cause and called it an act of cruelty. the federal statute isn't valid for no legitimate purpose
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overcomes the purpose to injure those by the state's marriage laws sought to protect personhood and dignity. on grounds that doma which passed bipartisan support should not be second guessed by the support. chief justice roberts went the other way on california's proposition 8 ban, kicking it back to the state, paving the way for same-sex marriage there to resume. it's a thumbnail sketch of how they weighed the case. at the end of the day for people on both sides of the issue, it's not just a constitutional question or legislative matter. it's very personal. for edie windsor who brought the case, this is bittersweet indication. >> i cried. i cried. really, obviously but yeah, the immediate reaction was tears. >> the same could be same for many others. many fought for marriage
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equality for years and some married, some waiting to get married and for some marriage isn't an option. on the other side, millions of americans for whom marriage blooefs is one man and one woman and see it as a betray at of their beliefs and the constitution. >> this is far from over. in fact, the time is not on the side of those who want to redefine marriage, if it were, i don't think they would go to the court trying to impose same-sex marriage on the entire nation. >> polls show otherwise. a lot to talk about with jeffrey toobin, andrew sullivan. jeff, let me start with you down in d.c., short of nationwide legalization of same-sex marriage, which most people didn't expect the court to implement, these results represent the best possible outcome for equality supporters, right? >> absolutely. there are lots of ways this court could have struck down doma without the ringing
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expansive rhetoric of justice kennedy's opinion. first of all, the doma penalties themselves are gone. gay married couples can now file joint federal tax returns. they can get social security survivors benefits and all the federal benefits that straight couples can get. but the rhetoric, the language of justice kennedy's opinion really does open the door to challenge the laws in the 38 states that don't have same-sex marriage. david boyce said we're moving to the 38 states and he says within five years, he thinks marriage equality will -- will cover the whole country. that's an ambitious goal but not out of the question. >> i want to bring in andrew sullivan. i wanted you both on the program because you've been fighting for this longer than anybody i've
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ever heard of, at a time when nobody else even saw this -- all the big gay rights organizations thought no one was talking about this stuff. you were writing about it and fighting for it. we'll get to what this means but penally for a moment, andrew, what was this day like for you? >> i cried, too. u know, the word that kennedy used a lot was dignity. in fact, i think he used it nine times, and when you're a kid and you figure out you're gay when you're seven years old, you don't know about sex or anything like that, but you do know that you'll never be able to have a life like your mom and dad, be married and that's a huge wound to some kids self-esteem, identity, psychological pride, and that wound has been healed a little today, and i think of all the future people who will be less damaged and less wounded will feel less pain and i think of all the people who never
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lived to see this day, and i feel both joy -- joy, actually, but obviously, it's been an incredibly long struggle. evan and i when we started, they treated us like a joke, a lunatic idea, strangest thing to come down the pipe but we were inspired by john boswell's book and the revelation of being gay isn't a problem and we deserve the same things everybody else has, and the right to marry is as as fundamental right in the constitution as exists. so we're either subhuman or equal citizens. the language today made us part of this country for the first time. >> evan? >> now you see why andrew it's such an important voice and champion in talking about this. i want to talk about what the court did building on what andrew talked about. today the court said that the federal government has to go now from being the number one upleto putting its moral and
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legal weight on the side of fairness and the side of the freedom to marry. we haven't finished the job. but the momentum this adds will build forward and bring us forward and bring our country closer and it's to win more states, continue winning hearts and minds and go back before the court and get the job done. >> for somebody, a same sex couple that married in a state where they can get married and live in a state where it's not legal, they can still get federal benefits, correct? >> well the court's command was very clear and it's the command of the constitution. president obama came right out today and said administration, the attorney general will look through the federal agencies and programs and direct them to implement swiftly and smoothly the constitutions command. what that means is striking down doma doesn't tell states what to do. we have to finish that work, but the federal government must honor and respect the lawful
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marriages that states celebrate, even if other states are discriminating. couples shouldn't see their marriages sputter in and out like cell phone services depending on what state they're in. it must be provided equally to all married couples, gay couples and non-gay couples. >> what does ts mean for immigration, couples that one person is from another country? does this mean -- >> it's over. >> so they can get a green card. >> yes -- well they can apply as first spousal green card like a regular human being. and that means that there is people abroad like glenn greenwald lives in rio in brazil because his partner can't get a visa to come to live in the united states. one of our leading journalist is exiled and there is a coming home of americans and their by-national spouses. i mean, the country always
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acknowledged, if you love someone and want to spend your life with them, the government has no right getting in the way, and even if you're a foreigner you automatically get citizenship because they respect that relationship. we were never treated that way. i was told go in different lines, pretend you're strangers, don't let them ever think you have a relationship. when you're coming back into the united states if you're not a citizen. and now we can -- we can walk through the immigration lines and it's a huge victory -- >> does that mean on your immigration form you can say you're with a family member, you're with -- >> i can come in now with my husband without any fear for the first time ever. >> it ends the gay exception. the federal government treated all married couples the same for immigration, health coverage, taxing, pull resources together unless you're gay and if you're gay and legally married, until today, the federal government said you're not -- you're roommates, you're strangers. that has now ended. >> i always found that so
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insulting on customs declarations. and it's a small minor thing but having to write on your customs declaration, family members traveling with you, zero, it's offensive. >> yes, it's basically saying you're not a human being. >> it's the assault on dignity that justice kennedy talked ant. >> which i have to say is a real catholic thing. si always wanted to say that. you know, the catholic hierarchy has been awful, but the catholic people and the families and friends and people who care as jesus did about treating them with dignity, they are happy today and kennedy used that catholic language to support that moving argument. >> mike huckabee tweeted today jesus wept. >> so did i. i think jesus was weeping for joy. i don't think jesus is on the other side of this, although i don't want to claim to know anything about that but i know jesus was on the side of love.
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>> you have 13 states now that allow same-sex marriages. how quickly in california will this -- can people start to get married? >> well, the ninth circuit court of appeals had put a stay on -- had said there can't be any marriages, so the attorney general of california said she is going to the ninth circuit and it looks like a -- at most it will be about a month but the ninth circuit could lift the state tomorrow in which case marriages could start right away, but i think you're looking at a month at the outside. >> i'm so glad both you guys are here today. thank you so much. >> so glad to be here. >> thank you for your work. jeff toobin, i know it's been a long day for jeff. grace and her partner.
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jean, your cousin is the chief justice. the majority opinion in the property eight case means that you and grace and millions of other gay and lesbian california residents will be about to get married. it's not like we went to bat for gay rights but the practical impact is huge for people in california. how do you feel? >> huge, i -- i'm so overwhelmed. i'm so excited. i honestly -- i have told everybody that i was expecting this, but it's still a shock. i'm so excited. >> and grace, for you, to have this intimate connection with somebody who is making history like this, how is it for you? >> it's the most amazing feeling, anderson, i'm so proud of jane. i'm so proud of our gay community. we have fought so hard to come this far, and there is more work to do but it's a good day. >> it's a good day. >> jean, you said a few months ago that you know that your cousin, the chief justice is a good man and wise enough to see where the tide of equality is
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going. on the doma case are you disappointed by his vote? >> i have to say i am disappointed. i was completely stunned by the split -- the split rulings, but i'm sure this is just in keeping with his conservative beliefs. so i want to take this still as a win. we did win on both. he did rule in our favor on prop eight. i'm still very, very excited. >> it was interesting, jean, because the chief justice didn't lodge a fiery descent talking about polygamy as justice scalia did, but he did descend all the same. what have your conversations been like with him over the years, in terms of who you are, your relationship? have you had those conversations? >> to be honest and i -- this might be -- to me it's interesting but we only see each
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other at family functions, at celebrations, at weddings, at funerals and when somebody is single like i have been off and on over the years, it's hard to say oh, hi, john, nice little wedding cake you've got there. i'm gay. it's not always easy to have that conversation, so i have come out to him. i have come out to a good deal of my family, but i don't want -- i can't say that we have had these conversations back and forth about how does he feel about me being gay? >> jean, you're on tv now so you haven't come out to your entire family. i think there might be a surprise right now. >> no, i'm pretty sure i came out to my entire family just before the hearing. >> all right. good. i just want to clear that out. but you did go to hear oral arguments, correct? >> correct. >> what was that like? >> it was, first of all, it was an honor to be invited. i want to correct myself, i
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wasn't invited. i asked for tickets, and he did give them to me, and i'm still honored that he did that. he could have vetoed that. to hear specifically chief justice roberts, my cousin john, to hear him was a little worrisome. you didn't know whether he was going in a good direction or bad direction on purpose. so i left the hearing feeling a little worried. >> the majority opinion in the doma case sets the stage for another case to eventually come before the court, one asking for a national right to marriage equality in all 50 states. it's impossible to predict how the chief justice would vote on a hypothetical case if and when it comes, but are you worried he's on the long side of history, or do you believe he could come around by the time the court might revisit the issue? >> that's a really good question. the -- even john has used the
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word sea change several times, and i do believe that the next time this comes before the court, it will be two years, four years. i hope he grows to accept the sea change that he has talked about himself. >> congratulations to you both. thanks so much for talking to us. >> thank you so much. well, let us know what you think about the day's developments at anderson cooper on twitter. another day of testimony in the george zimmerman trial. a key witness for the state taking the stand. the question is will her performance help the defense instead? and a real shocker from new england patriot to murder suspect. the case against aaron hernandez, when "360" continues. i think farmers care more about the land than probably anyone else. we've had this farm for 30 years. we raise black and red angus cattle.
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his encounter with zimmerman took the stand. it was powerful, emotional, strange at times and potentially vital at times. you should be warned some of the language today was hash so if you would rather not hear it, now is the time to turn down the volume. details from martin savidge. >> reporter: she's the most highly anticipated witness of the george zimmerman trial. her name is rachel jeantel, and she's the girl trayvon martin was talking to on the phone the night he and george zimmerman crossed paths. on the witness stand trayvon told her he was being followed. >> i asked him how the man looked like. he said he looked like a creepy [ bleep ] cracker. >> reporter: she said trayvon heard zimmerman approach and confront martin. >> i said trayvon? and then he said why are you following me for? and then i heard a hard breathe man come and say what you doing around here? >> reporter: moments later she said she heard a struggle and describes zimmerman as the attacker. >> i kind of heard trayvon saying get off, get off.
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>> then what did you hear? >> then suddenly the phone hung up. >> reporter: her testimony flies in the face of zimmerman's claim of self-defense which is why her cross-examination was crucial. >> good afternoon jeantel. >> good afternoon. >> reporter: the defense attorney went after her credibility, specifically a claim she made to authorities about why she didn't go to trayvon's funeral. she originally said she was in the hospital but that was a lie. >> you have to understand what i'm trying to tell you, i'm the last person. you don't know how it felt. you think i really want to go see the body? >> reporter: the defense focused on inconsistencies between what she said in her earlier deposition and what she said on the stand. >> do you admit then you were asked who was screaming for help, and your answer was, it could be trayvon?
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>> yes. i told you it sounded like trayvon, because trayvon have a kind of baby voice. >> so the question is, well, who is screaming for help? it's not trayvon, is it? and your answer, it could be trayvon. and the question you know his voice so well, was that trayvon screaming for help or wasn't it? your answer, it could be. like i said, i don't know. but it could be. the dude sound kind of like trayvon. trayvon do got that soft voice and that baby voice sometimes. so it could be. i don't know, you know, it's not. >> the longer she was questioned the more agitated the teen witness appeared at times even defiant like when she was told she would have return the next day. >> what? >> excuse me, be quiet. >> until then, it's hard to say how much the state's star
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witness actually helped or hurt their case. >> martin joins me now. so her testimony was obviously the focus this afternoon. zimmerman's neighbors also testified today. what happened there? >> reporter: they did and brought up a couple of key points. these were witnesses for the state. one of them said she could identify the voice crying for help, and she believed, at least, that it was trayvon martin that was screaming for help. and then there was another neighbor that came forward and said that she had looked down and saw two men struggling and she believes it was actually george zimmerman that was atop trayvon martin, both of those would go against what the defense said. >> also yesterday as we talked ant on the program last night, the judge was going to review whether or not previous zimmerman 911 calls would be allowed. how did she rule? >> she ruled all of those calls, five of them, will be allowed and played in court and this goes to state of mind, at least, according to the prosecutors that george zimmerman was growing frustrated and he could
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call about the individuals but by the time authorities got there, they would be gone. trayvon martin, they argued, the state would, that he was out to make sure trayvon did not get away. >> martin, thanks. a lot to talk about. sunny, i want to get to rachel's testimony first. what do you make of her? there were some inconsistencies, b but overall, do you think she helped the prosecution? >> i do think she helped the prosecution. everything she says is corroborated by other evidence, so why not believe her? the phone records corroborate she was on the phone. >> she said she heard the sound of wet grass. did you buy that? >> i think when you're talking to an ear witness, a lot of times, anderson, people do say things like that, like i heard the wind. i heard rattling. that is not unusual. i heard a lot of people saying
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today how does somebody hear wet grass. when you hear that described, i can hear something, so i actually think that she came across believable because she's not a professional witness. she is an everyday person on the witness stand. she clearly doesn't want to be there, and again, all of her testimony is corroborated by other people. she says trayvon was screaming for help, another witness says that. >> danny, the defense was obviously trying to show inconsistencies. >> she's an everyday witness and everyday not so great witness for the prosecution. here's why. we have a number of inconsistent statements. it's true that not everybody can give the same story if they give it in a deposition and again at trial. she has major inconsistencies that she misremembers and gives us an insight into some of the words trayvon used and this is interesting. this is such a racially charged case, and now for the first time we hear a racial term used to refer to white people that came
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from trayvon's mouth. on cross-examination, west made a lot of headway with her, and she broke the cardinal -- she broke one of the biggest rules, which is don't argue with the attorney. the rules of evidence are designed in favor of the attorney. so no matter what, if you decide to mix it up with the cross examining attorney, you will not come out on top. that's what happened today, that plus inconsistencies did not bode well for the prosecution. >> she did get annoyed on cross examination and sort of pushed back on the lawyer. >> sure, and, you know, witnesses do that all the time, especially non-professional witnesses, and i think that a lot of times jurors relate to that. i mean, again, she doesn't want to be there. that was obvious. she has nothing to necessarily gain from being there, so when she's combative with an attorney who's being hard on her, that cuts both ways. yes, the jury may think well this is -- this person is disrespectful, or the jury may
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think well why is that attorney cross examining her so harshly? and so, you know, i'm not sure that she comes across as unsympathetic. >> i want to turn to the 911 calls. the defense didn't want them in there and they will be admissible. did that ruling surprise you? jeff toobin said he didn't think they were admissible at all. how do you think they play? >> i thought they shouldn't have been admitted at all, and here's why. what you did three weeks ago, even if it's similar, is not admissible to prove conformity to what you did three weeks or three years ago. what the prosecution is trying to do is paint him as somebody who just calls the police and has a vendetta and a vigilante. >> and frustration was building over time. >> exactly. what's relevant is what mark o'mara said, the 10, 15 minutes before this incident happened is relevant if we want to get to his state of mind.
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>> we talked about this last night on the program with mark geragos. you can listen to the tapes and say you know what, this is a neighborhood watch guy that is concerned and called 911 many times but he was doing what he was supposed to do. how do you think -- >> sure, perhaps that's what the jury will think, but i would like to know, anderson, that last night i did say that these tapes were coming in so danny's argument is the losing argument. jeff's argument was the losing argument. the judge agrees, this does come in to show state of mind. he didn't call once, twice, several times using the same exact language over and over and over again. african-american males, young, black males. >> but what does this go to? the prior calls sh, what probative fact does that go to? >> the judge didn't think so -- >> the judge didn't think so.
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>> we argue motions all the time and have good faith basis on both sides. >> he was asked by the 911 operator, are they white hispanic or black and when he described the race he was responding usually, if memory serves me correct, listening to the tapes, he was responding directly to questions from the 911 dispatcher. >> sure, but it goes to show you, at least the prosecution will argue that this is the pattern. he was seeing young black males, you know, robbing, perhaps in his neighborhood committing burglaries in his neighborhood, and when he saw trayvon martin, he profiled him. he thought he was yet another young black male about to commit a crime or perhaps something was going on, something was wrong, and he didn't want him to get away. >> so they are using it to bolster up -- >> very, very well. >> using it to bolster up the punks always get away with it,
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in the prosecution's mind provides the back story for his belief in that? >> well, absolutely. they're his own words repeated over and over again. and that's why the judge let it in. >> got to leave it there. great to have you on the program. in the 10:00 hour, we'll devote a full hour to the developments. the story rocking the nfl is next, aaron hernandez charged with first-degree murder today. the patriots cut him loose and he's being held without bail. the texas state senator a lot of folks are talking about after she talked for more than ten hours in a filibuster. wendy davis joins me alive head for a "360" interview. [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better.
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another "crime and punishment" story we're following tonight. aaron hernandez is held without bail charged with first-degree murder. he's no longer a new england patriot after the team released him this morning. he's accused of murdering this man, 27-year-old odin lloyd. his body was bound near hernandez's home. the two men were friends. at today's arraignment prosecutors laid out the allegations describing a callus killing. susan candiotti reports. >> reporter: aaron hernandez had a five-year patriots contract extension worth nearly $40 million but came to an end when he was arrested and charged with first-degree murder and five weapons charges. prosecutors say he orchestrated the killing of 27-year-old odin lloyd whose body was found less than a mile from the former nfl player's home. lloyd was a boston area semi pro football players. both men's girlfriends were sisters. the prosecutors said hernandez
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drove lloyd to a remote spot and planned and carried out a cold-blooded execution shooting lloyd five times with bullets from a .45 caliber handgun. >> these are the charges we sought this morning against mr. hernandez and the charges which he was arained, murder. >> reporter: for the past week a steady stream of investigators have been at his home. and searching the area. as hernandez stood listening in court, the case against him was laid out in more detail. more than a week ago in the wee hours of the morning, investigators say lloyd was last seen leaving his boston home with hernandez in a silver nissan altima. less than an hour later, surveillance cameras at the industrial park show the vehicle heading toward a remote area where lloyd's body was later found. minutes later, surveillance video from hernandez' security system shows the former nfl player arriving back at his house with two other people. lloyd's younger sister told cnn
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last week that lloyd and hernandez were friends and didn't know of any problems between the two. who she said were at a boston nightclub together the few days before lloyd's death. >> my brother and i were like, i wouldn't say best friends but as close as siblings can get. he was always there for me. that term my brother is my keeper definitely describes him. >> reporter: hernandez's attorney argues the evidence is circumstantial. the patriots said words cannot express the disappointment we feel knowing one of our players was arrested in the investigation and the team dropped him and ended the contract after the arrest. the nfl released a statement calling the alleged involvement of hernandez deeply troubling. hernandez is being held without bail. >> susan joins us. i don't understand. what was the alleged motive here? >> reporter: you know, it's pretty hard to understand and we
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saw him smiling outside his house the other day. he was not smiling in court today, anderson. here is how the prosecutor describes it. he said aaron hernandez was upset, angry about something that the victim in this case had said when he was at a nightclub just a few nights ago where they were in boston, and this angered aaron hernandez so much that he told people he couldn't trust the victim anymore. that apparently, is the motive, according to prosecutors. >> susan candiotti, thanks. a lot more happening tonight. randi kaye has the 360 bulletin. vigils continue for nelson mandela with word he is on life support in a pretoria hospital. that's according to an official briefed on his condition. the icon will be 95 next month. the first family arrived on the senegal on on the first stop on a week-long trip to africa,
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including stops in south africa. the white house has not announced any plans for president obama to visit nelson mandela but said it's monitoring that situation. ecuador wants the united states to argue in writing why edward snowden should not get asylum. senior u.s. officials told cnn today the u.s. is biding its time in the matter. a close call for 20 tourists including two americans on a drifting ice floe, much like that one right there. by a stroke of luck, their sheet of ice bigger than 3 square miles bumped into another one touching land. they talked to safely. coming up, cheers after the state capital after a senator filibusters for ten hours after a restrictive abortions bill. and paula deen on "the
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the state senate needed to vote by midnight. after the filibuster was cut short, people in the gallery booed and chanted, and the vote wasn't completed by the deadline. the president of the planned parenthood action fund made the announcement to supporters. >> the lieutenant governor has agreed sb 5 is dead. [ applause ] >> that fight is not over however. late today texas governor rick perry called a new special session to convene on july 1st to take up that same abortion bill. wendy davis joins me now live and she is sitting. that was, i mean, a marathon filibuster, no food, water, no breaks for all those hours. how are you even awake today? >> i'm running on adrenaline today. it was an amazing moment for democracy in texas yesterday, it truly was. >> what was it like?
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standing for that long, speaking for that long, not going to the bathroom, just -- i mean, what is it like to filibuster for 11 hours? >> i underestimated how difficult it would be both physically and mentally. about two hours in i realized i was in for a long day. my back started hurting pretty early on, and began to really hurt as the hours ticked by, but there were so many people in the capital yesterday, anderson, a record number of people. they literally had to lock the doors because they had filled our enormous texas capital to capacity, and their energy kept me going throughout the day. they were amazing. >> it was a remarkable scene. thousands flocking to the state capital and tens of thousands joined online including the president who tweeted about it, all culminating in the protesters in the senate chamber. did you have any idea that it would grow like this? about the kind of reaction that might happen? >> i had absolutely no idea, and i was amazed by it.
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when i started the filibuster that morning, yesterday morning, the gallery was already full, and we understood that people in texas were watching, but we had no idea the extent to which people throughout the state would be watching and honestly throughout the country. >> governor perry is intent on passing this bill. the measure seems likely to pass. some might ask what you accomplished by doing this. what would you say to them? >> yes, i think the most important thing that we accomplished is we empowered the voice of people in texas, and people that wanted to stand against this intrusion, this government, big government intrusion into their personal lives and liberty was given a voice through the filibuster. i had an opportunity to read from so many people who had sent letters and e-mails to our office telling their personal story, asking that government stay out of their private decision making and what i think
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this has done is empowered people to understand when they involve themselves in a democracy, they truly can make a difference. and they made a difference in the texas capital yesterday. and i think this will linger, anderson. if this bill passes and the next call special session, the reaction won't be a partisan one. the reaction is coming from republicans, independents and democrats alike, which is saying governor perry, lieutenant governor dewhurst, stay out of my private decision making. >> i want to ask you about the senate managed to vote but after the midnight deadline but when the official texas legislative time sheet, the date was changed from the 26th to the 25th. do you think this was done intentionally for the measure to pass? >> i know it was done intentionally based on a conversation one of my senate colleagues had with the office that actually puts that online or makes that information available, and he was told by them when he asked why the date
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was changed, that they were instructed to do it. so we know it was purposeful, and i think there is going to be further investigation as to exactly what happened there. by changing the date, it would have changed the outcome and assured that the vote would have reflected a timely vote, and that the bill would have been defeated. >> you filibustered before yesterday. will you filibuster again. do you still have those sneakers ready to go? >> i still have my sneakers with me. i don't know what will happen in the next session. we were fortunate this time that this item didn't come to the call for our final consideration until the last day of the session, and that's what gave us the opportunity to successfully filibuster it. if they are smarter about their time management going into the next called session, it's likely we won't have an opportunity to do this again. >> well, wendy davis, appreciate you being on the program. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. an emotional interview. paula deen said she's not a
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lost two more business partners, including walmart. saying she used the n-word in the past. she began the day in the hot seat grilled by matt on the today she. she cancelled the first days ago. the question tonight is how will what she said be heard? >> i want people to know who i am. >> paula deen on the "today" show this morning, finally addressing the question many have been asking. >> are you a racist? >> no, no i'm not. >> by birth, by choice, by osmosis, you don't feel you have racist tendencies? >> no. >> she's been facing allegations of racism since a lawsuit by a former employee accusing her and her brother bubba using racist discrimination. including using the n word. dean called the allegations horrible, horrible lies. >> i believe that everyone
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should be treated equal and that's the way i was raised and lived my life. >> in her deposition for the lawsuit, dean admitted using the n word in the past and explained it further to matt lauer. >> it was 30 years ago i had put a gun to my head, a shaking gun, because the man that had the gun to my head unbeknowing to me was my customer at the main office. >> didn't you also recall using the word on other occasions -- >> no. >> so other than that one time the bank robbery attempt -- >> yes. >> you told me you never used the n-word. >> never. >> but in court documents, she admitted using it even after that incident. the transcript said had you used it since then. deen answer quote i'm sure i have, but it's been a long time. >> so you've never used the n word other than that one occasion? >> no, it's just not -- it's just not a part of -- it's just
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not a part of who we are. >> reporter: reaction to her emotional interview was mixed. her facebook page quickly filled with supportive messages from her fans, while others condemned the interview saying she didn't go far enough in apologizing. >> i want to share with y'all a quick, easy recipe. >> reporter: the future of her empire is at stake. the food network and smitfield foods ended their relationship with her last week. today after the interview aired, walmart and caesars entertainment dropped deen. so far her other sponsors are standing by her and advance orders for her new cookbook have surged in the past few days. deen told the today show she's speaking out now not to save her business but to let people know who she really is. >> i've had to hold friends in my arms while they've sobbed because they know what is being said about me. it's not true and i tell you what, if there is anyone out
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there that has never said something that they wish they could take back, if you're out there, please, pick up that stone and throw it so hard at my head that it kills me, please. i want to meet you. i want to meet you. i is what i is and i'm not changing. >> paula deen on the today show. let's get some latest on some of the other stories we're following. randi? >> ariel castro was back in court on wednesday where a judge ordered a competency evaluation. he's facing hundreds of charges for allegedly holding three women captive in his cleveland home for years. he's in jail on $8 million bond. michael jackson's season prince testified today in the wrongful death lawsuit against concert promoter aeg live. prince jackson said his father
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hey, that's it for this edition of "360." see you again one hour >> well come to our viewers in the states and around the world. tonight tears racial slurs and language we can't repeat. the star witness takes the stand in the george zimmerman trayvon martin trial. >> i asked him what the man looks like. >> he looked like a [ bleep ] cracker. >> charge with murdering a friend. we break it all down in tonight's law and order. plus the supreme court makes history. i'll talk to the two lawyers that came together to make prop 8. also van skbroens and stephanie cutter versus newt gingrich on the right. cross fire is bac