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zimmerman murder trial is the star in court. the question is for which side and also unbelievable from nfl star to alleged murderer and yet, more possible trouble for aaron hernandez. another murder investigation. a double homicide and being looked at in connection to that. more companies cutting ties with paula deen. she's reaching out to reverend jesse jackson tonight and he joins us to tell us about the advice he's been giving paula deen. a second straight day of cross-examination for trayvon martin's friend who was on the phone with him when the confrontation unfolded. rachel jeantel probably made an impression on you and some think maybe the wrong impression on jurors. today, there appeared to be changes. more on the attitude adjustment and all the other big developments tonight from martin savidge. >> reporter: round two of the clash in the courtroom between the star witness and veteran defense attorney. it started out nice enough,
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rachel jeantel seemed to have adopted a more respectful tone. >> yes, sir. >> reporter: but it wasn't long before her yes, sirs seemed to take on a sharper edge. >> yes, sir. >> reporter: defense attorney don west was out to discredit her testimony that george zimmerman was the aggressor and pointed to numerous changes in her story in previous accounts including a letter to trayvon's mother, describing what she heard. in it, she left out trayvon's derogatory racial language. >> you specifically chose not to tell ms. fulton that's what trayvon said. >> no. >> because you thought it would hurt her feelings, didn't you? >> no. >> you didn't think that would bother her, if you said that her son described the man that was following him in a car on the phone -- >> i didn't think. >> was a creepy ass cracker. >> i did not think that was important. >> not important enough to put in the letter. >> no. >> and not important enough to tell her.
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>> no. >> reporter: she said martin sounded tired on the phone like he was running but she said he was whispering because the teen was waiting to ambush zimmerman, something she denied. >> he got close to trayvon, yes, sir. >> and you don't know whether the man was approaching trayvon at that point and getting closer or whether trayvon was approaching the man and getting closer? >> trayvon would have told me he'll call me back, sir, if he was going to approach him, sir. >> so you're assuming that trayvon didn't approach the man because he would have told you if he was going to confront the guy, he would call you back when it was over? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: then west went after what could be the most damaging part of her testimony for the defense. jeantel said over the phone she heard a bump and martin say get off get off to zimmerman. >> so the last thing you heard
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was a noise like something hitting somebody. >> that trayvon got hit. trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit -- >> he -- >> you didn't know that trayvon at that moment take his fist and drive it in george zimmerman's face, do you? >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> at mid afternoon as she left the witness stand, the judge reminded her that she could be called back. there may be many opinions about whether she helped or hurt the prosecution. in the end, the only ones that really matter are the six opinions in the jury box. >> martin joins us now. we heard some of what rachel jeantel said and who was at the initial interviews when she spoke to police. why was that so important? >> reporter: this is mething the defense is trying to bring
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up, there was a very close relationship between the prosecution and trayvon martin's family, but also, their attorney benjamin crump. in fact, when the initial interview took place with authorities, that young lady was sitting in the home of trayvon martin's mother and seated next to her when she gave that first testimony was sabrina, trayvon martin's mother. so they are trying to imply that her testimony could have actually been encouraged or somehow interfered with just by having trayvon's mother right next to her. >> another witness called is jenna lower. she made one of the 911 calls. jurors heard her call, the yelling and the gunshots. what did she say that was so important? >> that's the thing, what she had to say really was not so important. she didn't bring such dynamic or anything new, but of course her call everybody knows. if she hadn't made the call at the seem she did, you never
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could have caught the gunshot and the screams that are at the center of such a huge debate in this case. it allowed for her call to be introduced, but she really didn't bring too much. >> thanks very much. we'll take a more look at rachel jeantel's demeanor and the attempt for the prosecution's star witness, let's remember that, she was the star witness. as you saw in martin's report, they tried to use her to flip the prosecution's racial narrative on its head trying to suggest the victim, trayvon martin, was racist, take a look. >> what is one thing about what trayvon martin told you that made you think this was racial? >> describing the person. >> pardon me? >> describing the person -- >> i just didn't -- >> describing the person that was watching him and following him. >> i see. >> sir. >> and that's because he described him as a creepy ass cracker? >> yes. >> so it was racial, but it was
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because trayvon martin put race in this? >> no. >> you don't think that's a racial comment? >> no. >> you don't think that creepy ass cracker is a racial comment? >> no. >> let's dig deeper with the team of legal pros. suppy hosten, and criminal defense attorney danny savios. sunny, what do you think of those comments? the defense spent a lot of time on the subject of race today with rachel jeantel implying it was trayvon martin that put race into the discussion by using that term. >> that didn't make a lot of sense to me given the fact the defense fought so hard from keeping the prosecution from saying racial profiling and they were victorious in that. so they have taken what was the elephant in the room and painted it bright pink and everyone is talking about it. it didn't make a lot of sense to me strategically. what didn't work is okay, fine,
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those were trayvon martin's words. they were disparaging and unkind words, but he used it as a description for george zimmerman. she just repeated what trayvon martin said and since they weren't kind words it made her more credible because she's not trying to sugar coat anything. she's not trying to make him sound better. she's not saying he side a white gentleman was following me. she used his words and made her more credible. >> do you think it made her credible using the word cracker is not a racial team? >> yeah, and that's something i've been thinking about. i grew up in the northeast. it wasn't a term i was familiar with at all. for her she described it not as racial enepithat but a descriptive term.
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>> he was a cracker -- what are you -- >> yeah, she used it as a descriptor -- >> are you actually saying it makes her more credible because she accurately described him as a cracker? is that where you're going with that? >> no, you're mischaracterizing what i said. what i said, i said because she's not trying to sugar coat what trayvon martin said. >> the argument -- her argument that it's not a racial term, does that matter? does the jury care? >> why, and here's why. not so much because she used a racist term but because we're talking about getting a glimpse into trayvon martin's mind and the jury is all about relatability. we can talk about taking it easy on a young witness. we can talk about socioeconomics, racism, classism. at the end of the day, jurors look for relatability. who do i relate to? when you relate to someone, you find them credible. it has nothing to do with an opinion one race is better than the other. it has nothing to do with that. it has to do when somebody talks, are they someone i can relate to? the jurors will ask is this somebody at a cocktail party,
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would i use that language? do i view the word cracker the way this person views it? can i relate to this person? >> sunny, your argument is that she is authentically being herself, and not trying to pretend to be something that she's not and using terms danny would not use at a cocktail party, you're actually saying that makes her relatable. >> it makes her relatable because she used the terms martin used with her. she could have very easily did what she did when she wrote the letter to sabrina fulton. she left that out. on the witness stand, she says what trayvon told her. if she wanted to make trayvon look like an angel or wanted to make trayvon look a certain way, if she thought that was going to be harmful, she could have said that trayvon told me that there was a white gentleman following him. but no, she used that term. >> hold on -- >> and i think a juror will find
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that more credible. >> sunny, you're making a good point she was sugar coating it we know from cross-examination, sugarcoating is what she said in her original statement, she left out -- she just called the guy creepy. she said trayvon called the guy creepy and later on she left out "cracker" originally because she wanted to sugarcoat it. she didn't want trayvon's mom have to hear the language of "cracker." >> i want to play a small part of this. >> sunny, who was calling for help is a huge point of convention. you were in the court today.
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did either side sway the jury as to who was heard on that call? >> no, i don't think so. i think that the only thing that is important at this point in the trial is that now that evidence is in front of the jury. we know the voice experts aren't going to testify. what we do know is that someone from trayvon martin's family, if not one person, perhaps more. they're going to get on the witness stand and identify the voices -- the cries as coming from him. i suspect that someone from george zimmerman's family in the defense case will also come forward and say this is zimmerman zgeorge zimmerm zimmerman's voice. many of the witnesses said it sounded like a boy's voice, like a young person's voice. it's going to be up to the jury to decide. i think the ground work has been laid now, anderson, for a showdown in the courtroom between the families. and that's going to be a fascinating thing to watch. >> sunny, danny, appreciate it. what do you think about the trial of what you saw today? we'll return to the witness rachel jeantel and get a closer look at who she is. later, former nfl star aaron
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every big trial these days seems to have one witness that becomes something of a sensation. in this trial, as millions have seen, that witness is trayvon martin's friend rachel jeantel. she's been like the case itself, polarizing. today she seemed to be at times less combative, not always as you see in this exchange with don west that starts with yes, sir but builds to something stronger. take a look. >> he told me the dude was close to him. >> right, at that point he decided to approach this man and say why are you following me? >> yes, sir. >> and he could have just run home -- >> he was already by his house. he told me. >> of course, you don't know if he was telling you the truth of not. >> why he need to lie about that, sir? >> maybe if he decided to assault george zimmerman, he didn't want you to know that. >> that's real retarded, sir. >> i'm sorry? >> that's real retarded to do that, sir. if you don't know the person,
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why risk it? trayvon did not know him. >> rachel jeantel today, her second day in the spotlight. her performance on the stand more polished than yesterday but still raising eyebrows and as randi kaye reports, none of that attention is welcome. >> reporter: rachel jeantel never wanted any of this, no media glare, no attention, and no tough questions about her phone call with trayvon martin moments before he was shot. that may be why she lied about her age. >> did you say that you were 16 so that you could try to maintain more privacy? >> yes. >> so you wanted to make yourself seem like a minor, so that maybe there wouldn't be as much public disclosure as if you said your true age of 18? >> yes. >> reporter: today rachel jeantel is 19, and her life story from what we can piece together is more exposed than she had ever dreamed. she attended miami norland senior high school and according to facebook took classes in criminal justice at miami
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university, though the school says they have no record. she's from north miami where she says her and trayvon martin had met in elementary school. why do we care so much who this woman is? because her testimony on what trayvon told her the night he died could make or break the case. if what she says is true, trayvon martin was scared and trying to get away from a man, a man who later turned out to be george zimmerman. but jeantel may have some credibility issues. she's already been caught lying about her age and about her reason for not attending trayvon's funeral. and then there is her vanishing postings on twitter. according to the smoking gun, tweets referring to trayvon and the case were removed just hours before her testimony. like this one from june 21st. 16 months later, wow, i need a drink. jeantel had also tweeted about having quote jackass lawyers on my ass.
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it's unclear which lawyers she's referring to but certainly has held her own with zimmerman's attorneys in court. she took some heat from the defense for this audio interview she gave the martin family attorney early on in the investigation. >> what did you hear? >> get off, some stuff. >> you heard get off? >> like look, get off. >> reporter: watch how she puts defense lawyer don west on his heels in court about delaying his interview with her. >> when you did not want to interview me that friday. >> i didn't want to interview you? >> well -- >> we didn't -- we didn't have an interview, did we? >> no, but we agreed to that friday. >> i'm sorry that you were inconvenienced but we did not have the interview on friday because of scheduling issues, do you agree with that? >> you should have picked me up on thursday. >> rachel jeantel was hoping to put this all behind her with this simple handwritten letter
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to trayvon's mother, a friend helped her write it. she sent it about a month after his death and in it explains what she remembers from that night. the man started getting closer, then trayvon turned around and said why are you following me? then i heard him fall. then the phone hung up. when the defense asked her to read the letter in court she said she couldn't read cursive handwriting and later explained she's of haitian descent and grew up speaking spanish. on her facebook monday, two days before her testimony began she posted i know i have a lot of explain to do. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> attorney darrell parks and his partner ben crump have been handling the legal matters for the martin family. he joins us live. as the martin family attorney, how do you think rachel's testimony went today? >> i think rachel's team was
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great, anderson. she stood fast. her testimony was consistent, and as you see, she through various attempts to impeach her, held her own. >> she seemed less combative in her testimony today than yesterday. did you or your colleagues prepare her for today's testimony or give her advice on what to do differently? >> no, she has her own counsel in this case. however, remember, yesterday she came at the latter part of the court day. so she was tired and most people sitting in court were tired and we went fairly late. so i believe that she was just tired. obviously, once she was given the chance to rest overnight, came back and she was a great witness. she was very respectful to the court and gave very precise answers. >> so you're saying neither you or mr. crump gave her advice about what to do differently today on the stand? >> no, as a matter of fact, i believe she was in the custody of the agents. we had no access to her whatsoever.
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>> do you feel the defense attorney don west was too harsh with her today? >> well, i think mr. west's presentation spoke for itself. you know, i try to make sure i don't criticize lawyers and their styles, but i think -- i don't believe mr. west is really connected with the jury but we'll see from their verdict. >> you gave a press conference after court today where you said the martin family wanted to make it clear that quote race was not a part of this process, but a lot of the prosecution's opening statement is about george zimmerman profiling trayvon martin. >> well, anderson, i think you have to distinguish that when you have a situation where we see that george zimmerman is talking in the 911 tape and describing what he was seeing in trayvon martin and calling him suspicious. we don't believe the focus is really race. additionally, the charge he is facing has nothing to do with race. >> so you don't believe that george zimmerman felt trayvon martin was suspicious because he
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was african-american? >> no, i think he saw a person who had a hoodie on, who was walking. he didn't know who he was. it was a rainy night. it was dark, so he thought that previous conduct that he had he seen in his neighborhood, so he decided at that particular point that these people always get away with it and on that night he wouldn't let it happen. >> when he was referring to, you know, these people or blanking punks as he said, you don't think that was in all a reference to african-american youth? >> well, i think he saw someone that he thought was highly suspicious, someone he thought was up to something bad, that he wanted to do something about it. i think it's important, though, for purposes of where we are now, we're in a court case, bringing race into this situation does nothing but make people pick sides and invoke some prejudice into the proceedings. we don't want that. we want mr. zimmerman to have a nice, fair and just trial.
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>> you're sitting with trayvon martin's parents. how are they holding up? we've seen them get up a number of times when the testimony is graphic or a picture is shown. how are they holding up? >> it's very tough. so they are taking it piece by piece. i think the state is making sure they try and give us advance notice about some sensitive parts, but you had situations for example when trayvon's face was shown in some of the evidence. it was tough for tracy because that's a picture he used to identify trayvon's body and showing that picture in court invoked that. that was a sensitive moment. mom has had some issues, you know, just hearing some of the 911 tapes and the gunshot that killed your child is very tough. they are doing -- they are maintaining. they are here to see it through. they are very encouraged by what they are seeing here in court and the job the state of florida is doing to present this case. >> appreciate your time. thanks for being on. >> thank you for having me. exclusively on "360" mark o'mara.
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he's defending george zimmerman. good to have you on. rachel jeantel has been on stand for the past two days. do you think her testimony went well for the defense? because she was really billed as the prosecution's star witness. do you think it's worked in the defense's favor? >> well, you know, i think that shaefs she was a reticent witness, i don't think she wanted to be involved and waited so long and found out by happenstance. i was most concerned not with her testimony but the way she started with mr. crump's interview, off record without law enforcement there and more problematic, the interview, she's sitting right next to trayvon martin's mother when she's supposed to give her first sworn law enforcement statement and in that statement she didn't tell the truth on a number of issues. i think she didn't want to be there. she was reluctant and i think that reluctancy showed up in her testimony today and yesterday. >> and stressing in the court
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todd ant the presence of trayvon martin's mother during that interview with law enforcement, to you that says what? that there's potential that either she was changing her statements to the police based on the family being present? >> well, she testified that she did. she testified that when she was talking to ben crump and the mom was there and when she was talking to mr. delirion and trayvon's mother next to her on the couch and tearing up and crying, she lightened up. you have to wonder why any law enforcement officer, particularly a prosecutor with 30 years experience would risk taking a statement from a witness in front of the deceased mother. you have to know that there will be some impact and as she testified today and yesterday. there was impact because she didn't say what she heard on the -- on the telephone. she actually went light. she sort of modified it herself, and we don't know to what extent she modified with curse words and who she wanted to blame
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talking in front of the mother. >> have you ever heard of police interviewing a witness or potential witness in front of the parent of the victim? >> let me think for a moment. absolutely not. it is cop 101 and prosecutor 101. you have to maintain the individual nature of a witness' testimony, make sure they are absolutely not impacted or bias by the situation that they are in. we know you can't do it, you know, with bright lights and a rubber hose. you also can't do it with sympathy parent taking a statement in front of the deceased's mother. >> you said you may have to ask her additional questions, why? >> there are certain issues that may become relevant and that's talking about trayvon's history and background. my hope from the beginning is that we don't go there and try this case simply on the seven or eight minutes that happened
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around his passing, however, if the state tries to present something that needs to be rebutted by sort of looking into trayvon martin's past, then this witness who knows pretty well and actually gave some fairly colorful statements as to what trayvon martin said, as far as some race and fighting may well become relevant. i hope not, but we may have to get that on the record. >> how is your client, george zimmerman, feel about how the trial is going? can you say? >> he's afraid. he is frightened. he felt he did something he has to do to protect his life and other people are trying to put him in prison because of it. he's stressed for a year and a half getting to this point and now he's dealing with the reality that he's got the state of florida trying to say that what he did to save his own life was a crime. that's a frightening position to be in. >> mark o'mara, good to have you on the program again. thank you. >> good to be here, thank you.
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welcome back. new developments tonight in another "crime and punishment" story we're following. former nfl tight end aaron hernandez charged yesterday as you know in the murder of a
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27-year-old acquaintance is also being investigated in connection with a double homicide in boston last july. that's according to law enforcement source close to the investigation. as we reported just hours after his arrest yesterday, hernandez was dropped by his team, the new england patriots. today, puma ended its relationship with the athlete. now the hearing, new details came out about the alleged evidence prosecutors say they have uncovered. susan candiotti has the latest. >> reporter: a law enforcement source selling cnn boston police just sound a silver suv linked to the case after looking for it since last year. and believe hernandez was renting it at the time of the murders. >> following every lead and trying to establish the evidence in that case and believe we're making process. but at this moment in time, it's too premature to name any one individual as a suspect. >> reporter: lawyers won't
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comment on the possible connection. today, a judge rejected a second attempt by the defense team to spring hernandez from jail on the first degree murder charge in the alleged execution shooting death of oden lloyd. >> despite the fact that he has a fiance and baby and is a hem owner, he has the means to flee and a brace let wouldn't keep him here, nor would $250,000. >> reporter: during that hearing, prosecutors revealing new alleged evidence, and a condo leased by hernandez in a town near the football players' home and in a hummer outside, also said to be linked to hernandez, they seized.45 caliber ammunition and clip, the same ammunition used to kill lloyd. in court, prosecutors called attention to a photo obtained by tmz, showing hernandez holding a
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.45 caliber hand gun. prosecutors are not saying that's the murder weapon, and are still looking for it. the motive is still unclear. investigators claim hernandez was angry over something the victim said at this nightclub two nights before the murder. >> there was certain things that happened during the night. >> reporter: investigators say they built their case against hernandez using cell phone tower tracking, text messages, and surveillance tapes. at hernandez's home and elsewhere. in the wee hours of june 17, hernandez allegedly picked up lloyd at his home. then joined by two other unidentified passengers. they stopped at a gas station and buy blue bubble gum. during that ride at 3:23 a.m., lloyd sends a text to his sister, reminding her of who he was with. he writes, nfl, just so you know. two minutes later, witnesses
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hear shots near the murder scene. about four minutes later, hernandez is seen carrying a gun, arriving home with two other people. investigators say they matched shell casings from the murder scene to one .45 caliber shell found in hernandez's rental car. after lloyd is killed -- >> the defendant appear at the rental agency where they rented the silver nissan. at that time, they go into -- to return the car, the defendant offers the attendant a piece of blue bubble gum and finds a .45 caliber casing. >> so this is fascinating. are authorities saying whether or not hernandez pulled the trigger in the murder? >> reporter: they're saying it this way, that he orchestrated
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the execution, and then they went on to say that he and another man delivered the fatal blows to oden lloyd as he was lying there on the ground. whether this is a matter of semantics is unclear. but either way, hernandez is charged with first degree murder. >> thank you very much. more companies are dumping paula deen after she admitted to using a racial slur years ago. the backlash has been fast and fierce but is it fair? i'll speak to the reverend jesse jackson. around a grand jury indicts the boston bombing suspect. [ male announcer ] you know what happens when we take away the late fees and penalty rate? no one misses them. the citi simplicity card is the only card
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more companies are dropping paula deen after she admitted using a racial slur in the past. today, home depot and target no longer sell her products and the maker of a diabetes drug she was a spokesperson for has suspended their relationship. this comes a day after her appearance on nbc's "today" show. >> if there's anyone out there that has never said something that they wished they could take
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back, if you're out there, please pick up that stone and throw it so hard at my head that it kills me. please. i want to meet you. i want to meet you. i is what i is, and i'm not changing. >> the food network, walmart and sears have also dumped deen. but one thing that's not taking a hit is her book sales. preorders for her new book are so strong, it's on the top of amazon's best seller list. some of the companies that have dropped her are getting angry comments. she's hired a crisis management firm. now the question is, does the punishment fit the crime? i spoke with reverend jesse jackson and professor boyce watkins. >> reverend jackson, what did you and her talk about?
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>> she explained that she is not a racist. she appeared to be contrite and agonizing over the accusations. but the issue is not just the words but she must spend her time now focused on the workplace conditions, a, and the plan to have workplace conditions that pass the test. if she does that, she can be reclaimed and redeemed. >> professor watkins, we spoke the other day about her. you said in the past you were a fan of hers. i'm wondering if your opinion has changed at all just over the last couple of days. what do you make of where she is now? >> in order to really try to connect with paula and to connect with the situation, i reach to my elders. i spoke with reverend jackson and my grandmother. those perspectives allowed me to do something i can't do at my age, which is to really look at
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the world through the eyes of somebody who dealt with the paula deens of the world in the '50s, '60s and '70s. the best lesson that paula deen can get from all of this is to know there's a difference between liking you and respecting you. and i think that paula is a good person who wants to have a good heart. i think she has a lot of friends who are african-american, and i think in her mind she really loves these people. but the question is whether or not she truly respects african-americans as her equals. people love their pets, but they don't want their dog at the dinner table. so the issue to me is that paula can be completely redeemed. she can be forgiven. but forgiveness goes deeper than what you say. it comes down to what you do. >> reverend jackson, advanced sales of her new cookbook is number one on amazon. a lot of people have tweeted me
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saying the media is making too much of this. maybe she used some inappropriate language in the past, but this is much ado about nothing. to that you say what? what do those people not understand? >> it is something to do about something, but grace can detoxify sins. it's not just the words but the work place environment. she should immediately address the charges against her. she should immediately address a thorough investigation of her own internal work environment. is it fair? is it open? is it nonracial? is it gender sensitive? and they plan to make it a diverse workplace. so the contrite words, she is reclaimable if she takes immediate actions and stop trying to justify herself. >> professor watkins, is this an opportunity for people to have a discussion about race they haven't had or don't want to
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have? >> this is another opportunity. the reality is this, anderson. you know, when someone comes to you and they stay, what you staid offended me, that this concept, this idea that you shared, it hurts my feelings, you have a choice. you can say oh, you're crazy. or your feelings are not valid. what's wrong with you? or you can show respect and stay i don't understand why you feel this way, but why don't you help me understand and i'll help you understand how i feel. that's how you have a productive dialogue. one of the things we're running into is you have millions of people in america who have never endured work place racism, they've never endured the horrors and atrocities and terrors that people of color in this country have experienced for hundreds of years and they get to the point where they devalue that because someone wrote a great cookbook. if we want to make progress here and paula wants to redeem herself, this is the chance to
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have good dialogue. >> there are people who say she's just of a certain generation -- >> i would urge her right now to take ownership. the work place environment and security and free of hostility is important for workers everywhere. >> professor, for people who say she's just from a certain region and generation, she grew up a certain way, you know, she's a product of her past. >> well, i think she is. i think paula deen was made in america, just like malcolm x was made in america. he went through so much oppression in his life that he spent his whole life fighting against the racism that destroyed his family. to with paula deen, we have to realize he's a symbol, a manifestation of millions of
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other americans who think in the same way. they don't understand why these words can be hurtful. they don't understand this is the plukt of an environment, of structural racism. so wiping paula deen off the planet is not going to make america a better country. i don't want to see this woman's career destroyed. i want to see her cooking her food, which i have eaten and is very good. i want to see her living her life. but in order for that to happen, we have to do deep cleaning on racial inequality in america and not just cleanse the surface. if we don't, we're going to have the same problem 50 years from now. >> thanks for talking. appreciate it. just ahead tonight, the sweeping indictment against the boston bombing suspect handed up today by a grand jury. also, president obama today made his most expensive remarks about the nsa leaker edward snowden and the lengths the u.s. will go to find him, or what. stay tuned the. i want to make things more secure.
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he's under investigation for allegedly leaking information about a highly classified covert u.s. cyber attack on iran's nuclear program. cnn has not confirmed that report, and general cartwright and his lawyer have not commented on it. nor have the justice department and the u.s. attorney general. in senegal, president obama made his most extensive remarks so far at nsa leaker edward snowden. he expressed secrets about snowden may spill. president obama also said he's not going to take extraordinary measures to capture the fugitive. >> no, i'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker. >> a massachusetts grand jury returned a 30 count indictment against boston bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev, charging him with using weapons of mass destruction and killing four people. 17 of those charges carry the possibility of the death penalty. in new york, co-stars and fans said goodbye to actor james
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probably how i felt a year ago. we were worried about the market. it had been many years since we had seen a rally. now this year, we feel very confident. >> reporter: confident because home prices in 20 targeted cities over the past year rose about 12%, and in some markets by even more. in atlanta, prices shot up almost 21%. in las vegas, more than 22%. and in san francisco, nearly 24%. the general slow improvement of the economy and the reemergence of investors convinced home prices have hit bottom are credited with making sellers so happy. >> on the buyers side, it's a different story. >> reporter: true enough. in some of the hottest markets, buyers, who were calling the shots just a few months ago, now find themselves in bidding wars for the most desirable properties. still, the journaly to a full recovery could yet see roadblocks and it will take time. even with the upward trend, one
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this is "piers morgan live." welcome, tonight drama in the courtroom. trayvon martin's friend takes the stand for the second day. the teenage girl who has a unique way of making sir sound like an insult. >> he did not tell me that, sir, he just told me he trying to get home, sir, but the man was still following -- following him, sir. >> and the last moment of trayvon martin's life captured on a chilling 911 call. >> [ inaudible ] >> do you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> there is gunshots. we'll break down today's testimony and more on the woman