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the screams on the 911 tapes. the gripping testimony. a courtroom drama people can't seem to turn away from. the george zimmerman trial is in recess. we'll bring it to you live once they return from lunch. they're getting back to business inside that courtroom. you're watching cnn news room. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. george zimmerman trial set to resume any minute now. they broke for lunch more than an hour ago. jurors have been listening to a fifth day of dramatic testimony. the last witness offered different account from previous
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witnesses about what happened the night zimmerman shot and killed trayvon martin. george is howell outside the court in sanford florida. jane velez-mitchell is joining us from new york. george, zimmerman's neighbor, george good, he's a state witness but he corroborates zimmerman's story he was being pummelled in that fight. tell us about the testimony that occurred today. we don't have george. maybe jane can brief us. are you there? >> i am. jonathan good is good for george zimmerman because he corroborates his story. he says he heard a tussle, goes outside and the person he describes as being on the bottom fits the description in terms of the clothing he was wearing of george zimmerman. he also said he saw a ground and pound meaning the person on the top was grounding and pounding
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which he modified saying he didn't see anything with 100% certainty. i have to say his testimony was contradicted the night before just last night. another neighbor said she saw man who fit the description of george zimmerman on top. you have all these other witnesses, residents on a dark and murky night seeing fragments. >> mow unusual is it for the prosecution to call a witness, they know what he is going to say? >> they had to co-op him. if they didn't call him the other side would and it would like l look like they were hiding something. they tried to break down this witness as much as possible. he was consistent. most killings don't have any
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witnesses. we have to realize that the prosecution does have quite a few witnesses to this event. most murders and this is a second-degree murder case occur in a quiet area where nobody seesanything. in way the prosecution has a lot of witnesses, a lot of evidence. the only problem is they're telling different stories. they are contradicting each other and even contradicting themselves because a lot of these people have given four or five versions and each time it's slightly different. the defense tries to capitalize on that. >> they're back in the courtroom. we're waiting for the jurors to come back. they just had their lunch. you're looking at pictures of george zimmerman next to his attorney. i think we have george howell back with us. you've been covering this nonstop. what do we expect of the next witness? do we know who will be called? >> reporter: it's still unclear who will be called in. i do want to go back to that point that you just mentioned.
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when you talk about what's happening with john good he did contradict himself in some places. he said, first of all, in the first statement and let's go back now. we're seeing the first witness coming in. the next witness since the lunch break. we can resume the conversation about john good in a moment. don't want to miss the information here. >> yes. >> thank you. >> what he might be able to add to this case. we'll listen in for a little while. >> you may proceed. >> can you state your name for the record. >> jonathan manalo. >> are you married? >> yes. >> how long have you been married? >> i always make a mistake. >> seven years. >> do you have any kids? >> yes. >> a daughter? >> yes. >> what do you do for a living? >> vps. >> how long have you been at
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that job? >> 20 years. >> do you live in seminole county. >> yes. >> how long you lived there? >> about 32 years. >> i want to draw your attention to 2012, were you living at 2861 retreat view circle? >> yes. >> at this time how long had you lived in that residence? >> approximately three years. >> okay. i want to focus on sunday, february 26th of 2012. were you home at around 7:05, 7:10, 7:15 p.m.? >> yes. >> was anyone home with you? >> yes. >> who was home? >> my wife and my daughter. >> okay. what were y'all doing? >> my wife was sitting on the couch and i was on the floor with my daughter assembling a coffee table we purchased
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earlier in the day. >> your wife has testified about the lay out of your residence back in february of 2012. my question to you is do you recall in terms of outside the residence, was it dark outside? >> yes. >> do you recall the weather conditions that evening? >> yes. >> what were they? >> it was raining. >> now around 7:10 p.m. or so did you hear something outside? >> yes. >> could you describe to the jury what you first heard. >> it sounded like groans. we thought it was a couple of dogs barking. >> were the grunts as you described loud or low? >> they were loud enough that i could hear it through the window, but it was still indistinct. i couldn't make anything out of
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it. >> okay. did your wife do something in. >> she looked through the window. >> when she was looking through the window did you tell her anything about whether she should be looking through or not? >> yes. i said stay away from the window. don't make it our problem. >> did she pay attention to you? >> yes. >> did you look out the window? >> no. >> did your wife look out several time sns. >> i believe so. >> in terms of what you recall her saying as she was looking out the window or right after did she describe something going on outside? >> she just said there were two people fighting and she sat down. i think it was around the time she heard yelling or the gunshot is when she peered through the window. >> did you hear that gunshot in. >> yes. >> i know at some point you ended up going outside but did you ever look through the window
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or the sliding glass door? >> no. >> in terms of when you heard gunshot, did you take any action after hearing the gunshot? >> i went outside. >> okay. if you could tell the jury how you gone outside threw the back or sliding door? >> i went through the garage. >> in going through the garage did grow grab anybody on your way out? >> a flashlight. >> after you went out through the garage where did grow and what route did you take to get to where you saw something? >> i went to the left toward the sidewalk and then i just walked towards the back to the t. >> okay. >> when you got back there did you see a man standing on the sidewalk? >> yes. >> did you know that man prior to that night? >> no. do you know that person now to be george zimmerman? >> yes. >> do you see that person in the
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courtroom today, sir? >> yes. >> is that be person that just stood up? >> yes. >> may the record reflect the defendant identified george zimmerman. >> the record will so reflect. >> when you first saw him was the defendant standing up or sitting down or laying down? >> he was walking towards my direction. >> did he walk directly towards you or did he stop or what happened? >> he directly towards me. >> now did you have your flashlight? did you have it on? >> yes. >> was it dark outside? >> yes. >> when you observed the defendant, you say he walked toward you? >> yes. >> did he have anything in his hand sns. >> as i came around the corner he had his cell phone to his left ear. >> was he holding it to his ear? >> yes look that. >> can you demonstrate?
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>> like this. >> did you notice any blood on him? >> yes. >> where did you notice blood? >> down his nostrils and both sides of his lips. >> could you tell whether there was any damage to his nose? >> no. >> did you see some blood on h back of his head? >> yes. >> sir, did you end uptaking some photographs using your cell phone? >> yes. >> did you take a photograph of the back of his head? >> yes. >> did you take a photograph of the person you now know has been identified as trayvon martin on the ground? >> yes. >> did you also take a photograph of a flash flight that was on the ground? >> next to the body, yes. >> okay. >> i apologize.
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it was to flashlights. it was one big flashlight? >> yes. >> did you use your cell phone to take those photographs? >> yes. >> did you take using your cell phone did you use the flash from the cell phone or the flashlight you had with you? >> the flashlight. >> i'm going to ask you to look at over here to the wall to your -- thank you, your honor. setting up where you lived at that time back in february of 2012. showing you state's exhibit 1 that's been introduced into evidence. this is google or aerial photograph of the retreat at twin lakes. do you recognize that? >> yes. >> i'm going to hopefully get there to work and show you the area i'm going to focus on. would you residence be right here? >> yes. >> the route you took, you say
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you went out the garage. did you take this walkway that i'm pointing to go back to the back? >> yes. >> do you recall when you came into contact with the defendant that he was walking wards you where approximately you would have had contact with him. i'm going to move the arrow around and you tell me where to sto stop. >> higher. >> at the t? >> yes. >> showing you state's exhibit number 3. can you see your residents from that photograph? >> no. >> as state's exhibit 3 in terms of how dark it was, is this area that i'm pointing to here establish how dark it was out there? >> yes. >> state's exhibit number 5, does that photograph depict part of your rens dense? >> yes. >> what part does that show?
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>> the back patio. >> am i pointing in the area to it? >> yes. >> this light that's on was that on when this shooting and this happened or was that turned on after? >> it was off and turned on after. >> is this the area approximately where you came into contact with the defendant george zimmerman? >> yes. >> near where the t is or the dog trash receptacle? >> yes. >> state's exhibit number 6, would this have been your back porch or the pavement that's been described like the back porch of your residence? >> yes. >> okay. state's exhibit number 10, what does that photograph show? >> it shows the back of my
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house, the t. >> is this the area you came walking out of when you came into contact with the defendant? >> yes. state's exhibit number 11, do you recognize that? >> yes. >> what is that photograph show, sir? >> the back of the house and where the crime scene finally ended. >> okay. when you came out there, were all these markers out there when you first came out? >> no. >> were you the first person after the shot that came into contact with anybody out there, the defendant and the victim on the ground? >> yes. >> in other words were there police officers out there when you came out there? >> no. >> did police officers arrive subsequently to you being out there? >> yes. >> state's exhibit number 34, do you recognize what that is? >> look likes the front of the house. >> that would have been your
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residence back in february 2012? >> yes. >> state's exhibit 35 showing a close up of that area? >> yes. >> state's exhibit 37, that's a daytime photograph. does that show the area that you've been talking about? >> yes. >> state's exhibit 40, tell us what that photograph shows. >> the sidewalk towards the t. that's where i had taken the path to the back. >> when you left out from the garage you would have taken this route this way? >> yes. >> thank you, sir. state's exhibit 76, did you take this photograph, sir? >> yes. >> now, it was raining that night. was it not?
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>> yes. >> do you recall the position that you would have taken this photograph? it shows the back of mr. zimmerman's head. was he sitting down, standing up? >> he was squatting. >> was that after the officers came? >> this was before. >> state's exhibit 77. what is that photograph show? >> i believe that's trayvon martin. >> is this the way you found the victim in this case mr. marvin's body? >> yes. >> did you move the body? >> no. >> when you observed mr. martin's body his hands were underneath his body? >> yes. >> did you tamper or mess with that at all? did you move his hands or turn him upside down? >> i never left the sidewalk, so no.
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>> this photograph that you would have taken of mr. trayvon martin's body, the light that's shining on there is that from your flashlight again? >> yes. >> state's exhibit 78, you took this photograph too sir crui? >> yes. >> what were you trying to show? >> there was an object next to him. i didn't see any other objects on the ground other than the little flashlight on the beginning part of the t. it stood out. >> am i pointing to it in this part of photograph, state's exhibit 78? >> yes. >> is that it? >> yes. >> the light showing on there is that from your flashlight? >> yes. >> your honor, i'm through with -- thank you very much.
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may i approach the witness? >> yes, you may. >> mr. manalo, back in february 2012, specifically february 26th, 2012, showing you state's exhibit 139 with would you residence have been 2861 where i already have your wife's name on there? >> yes. is this area depict in terms of you going out the garage and coming out here? >> yes. is that what you described earlier? >> yes. >> thank you. what i want to do now is have you elaborate what we talked about specifically your contact with the defendant.
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the flashlight that you saw on the ground that you photographed, was that flashlight on in terms of was it l illuminating? >> no. >> when you observed the victim in this case mr. martin on the ground, trayvon martin on the ground was he moving at all or say anything? >> no. >> i apologize if i already asked you. did you say his hands and arms under his torso, his hands were? >> yes. >> if you could tell the jury when you first came into contact with the defendant when you observed him if you said anything to him and if he said anything to you. tell us what happened. >> he came around the corner and i asked him do i need to call 911? he says no. i just got off the phone with them. >> at that point did you see a
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gun, sir? >> i did not see a gun. >> did you other than when the police got there, did you see a gun on the defendant? >> no. >> did it appear to you as if the defendant had been in a fight, sir? >> yes. >> did he speak to you, sir? >> yes. >> did he respond to your questions? >> yes. >> did he appear as if he was out of it like not thinking clearly? >> no. >> did you have any trouble understanding him when he spoke? >> no. >> did you ask him something when you found out he had a gun, did you asking him anything? >> i asked him what caliber? >> what did he say? >> 9 millimeter. >> did the police officer arrive? >> yes. >> could you tell the jury what happened when the officer arrived? >> he says for my safety i'm
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going to handcuff you. he says okay. he had his cell phone in his hand so he kind of like tossed it on the ground. he says can you call my wife. >> let me interrupt you. you say he had the cell phone, are you speaking of the defendant? >> yes. >> you said when the officer came he tossed it o on the ground, he being mr. zimmerman tossed it oun the ground? >> yes. >> did the officer ask him who shot trayvon martin? i know he didn't use the word but who shot the person? >> i don't remember. >> did -- at that time, the officer asked him about a gun, what happened? >> he put him in handcuffs and asked me to call his wife. >> did the officer ask the defendant whether he had a gun on him? >> yes. >> the defendant indicated where the gun was? >> yes.
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>> tell us the circumstances related to that? >> he put his right arm up and said i have it here. >> had you seen a gun prior to him saying that? >> no. >> when the defendant put his right arm up and indicated he had a gun, were you able to observe it? >> yes. >> where was the gun? >> inside the waistbands holster. >> prior to that had you seen gun at all? >> no. did you observe the officer handcuff the defendant and do something with the gun? >> yes, he put it in his utility belt so he would have control of it. >> did the officer tell the defendant he was going to put him in handcuffs? >> yes. >> the defendant said that was fine? >> yes. >> you mentioned something about the defendant throwing the phone on the ground. tell us what happened regarding that. >> he asked me the call his wife. i said let him put you in
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handcuffs. once he did that, i picked up his phone, put it in his pobd and called his wife through my phone. >> the defendant asked you to call his wife? >> yes. >> you stated you picked up the cell phone and you put it in whose pocket? >> zimmerzimmerman's pocket. >> do you know which pocket? >> left side pocket. >> why did can you pick the left pocket? >> it was closest to me. >> the defendant asked you to call his wife. did you do that? >> yes. >> did you know her number? >> no. >> did you know her before him telling you to call her? >> no. >> how were you able to get the number? >> he gave me her number. >> did you actually dial her number? >> yes. >> did can you call her? >> yes. >> did you talk to her? >> yes. >> tell us the circumstances of what happened when you, what did you teller? what did she say and if the defendant said anything while this was going on?
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>> okay. i had a connection with her right away and said your husband is involved in a shooting. he's being handcuffed and will be held for questioning at the sanford police department. he cut me off and said just tell her i shot someone. >> he cut you off, the defendant cut you off? >> yes. >> he said what now? >> just tell her i shot someone. >> did you respond to that? >> yes. >> what did you say? >> okay. he just shot someone. >> you're saying to his wife on the phone? >> yes on the phone. >> in terms of when he said that, how would you describe the defendant's demeaner? >> like i was talking too long to say what i had to say. >> you mentioned you saw the
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victim's body, the person you now know as trayvon martin. did you see any movement at any time out there? >> no. >> did you ever hear him say anything? >> no. >> now in terms of when you heard the shot and when ended up going outside, if you could estimate, how long did it take you upon hearing the shot, go out the garage and go outside and come into contact with the defendant mr. zimmerman? >> it could have been ten, 20 seconds. >> when you first observed was your first observation he had been in a fight and beaten? >> yes. >> did you remain outside while the officers arrived? >> yes. >> do you -- were you present when they attempted to revive or safe the life of trayvon martin? >> yes. >> could you tell us what you recall seeing or observing about that? >> the first officer arrived and
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turned him over. i think more were starting to come. he was asking for a bag to do compressions on his chest. i watched them perform cpr. >> regarding the bag, did you go somewhere and get a bag the assist the officers? >> i went through the garage. >> did you come back pout and provide that to the officer in an attempt to save trayvon martin's life? >> yes. >> prior to that night had you ever met george zimmerman? >> no. >> had you ever met trayvon martin? >> no. >> were you ever involved in a neighborhood watch program at all? >> no. >> why not? >> i have work. i have other things that i have to do. i have a 6-year-old to take care of.
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>> when you first came into contact with the defendant that evening, did he appear to be in shock? >> no. >> what is your opinion based on, sir? >> he wasn't acting like anything different. he was coherent. he was responding to my questions like any other person. >> in your actions there before the officer came, did you observe the defendant any time look back at the body of trayvon martin? >> no. >> did the defendant appear calm? >> yes. >> thank you, sir. i have no further questions. >> thank you. mr. o'mara. >> mr. west. >> mr. west.
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don west is cross examining the witness jonathan manalo. he walked out of his house after he heard a gunshot and took pictures. let's listen. >> turn the other way to call the police. >> i asked do i need to call the police. >> i'm saying yourself as you approach, you saw him. you knew there was a gunshot. you didn't turn to call the police yourself? >> right. >> when you got closer to mr.
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zimmerman, you asked him do i need to call the police? >> yes. >> he told you no. i already called them or something to that effect? >> yes. >> you didn't know yourself at that moment whether he was talking about the call that he tried to be making or was on the phone or whether he had called them himself two, three, four minutes before. >> i didn't know that. >> your assumption was he was talking to the police? >> yes. >> all of that would have taken place in the 10 to 20 seconds it took you to get there? >> correct. >> he could have had to place the call to the police. call the police, waited for the call to collect, to connect and
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had the conversation with the police, have that over by the time you asked him do you want me to call the police? >> i'm not aware of that. he wasn't talking on the phone. as i came around the corner he had the phone to his ear. >> right. you learned very soon there after he wanted you to tell his wife about being involved in a shooting? >> yes. >> he was trying to catch his breath and he asked you am ableeding? >> yes. >> you noticed he was bleeding from his face? >> yes. >> looked like his nose was dripping? >> yes. >> then he kind of stooped over like this as if trying to collect himself? >> he just squatted down. >> as if trying to collect himself? >> i won't say collect himself but i guess so. i don't know. he did squat down. >> did you say that in a prior
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statement? you thought he kind of stooped down to try to collect himself. >> i believe i said he squatted down. >> i'm not squat versus stoop but he bent down in some way? >>yes. >> to try to collect himself? he was breathing hard and looked like he got his butt beat? >> yes. >> at that point you could see that he was also bleeding from the back of his head? >> yes. >> you hadn't noticed that before? >> no. >> you had your flashlight and you had your cell phone with you in. >> yes. >> you took that opportunity to take the picture of the back of his head? this picture? >> yes. >> as mr. zimmerman kind of squatted down to collect
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himself, you took it upon yourself to take the picture? >> yes. >> he didn't ask you to take the picture? >> no. >> thankfully you did but it was your decision? >> yes. >> you also asked him what happened. >> yes. >> he said this guy was beating me up and i shot him? >> i defended myself and i shot him. >> i'm sorry. >> i was defending myself and i shot him. >> this guy was beating me up. i was defending myself and i shot him. >> without hesitation? >> no. >> from what you could tell at the moment it seemed completely true. >> yes. >> it wasn't very long until the police arrived. you were standing there talking
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to mr. zimmerman as he tried to collect himself and shortly there after offer tim smith got there? >> yes. >> i didn't know his name but right. >> the police officer within a very short time, the first police officer arrived? >> right. >> he had a flashlight? >> i don't remember if he had a flashlight. >> you don't remember the next person arriving after you with a flashlight? >> i know it was a police officer but i don't remember the light. i already had mine on. >> you could see from your own flashlight? >> yes. >> it was really, really dark out there? >> yes. >> officer smith will use that for our purposes or the first officer arrived and he said who shot him? >> yes. >> george zimmerman immediately said i did? >> yes. >> officer smith said do you have a gun or something to that effect? >> yes.
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>> george zimmerman immediately complied by raising his arms or his right arm and exposed the firearm that was in the holster on his right side. >> yes. >> then officer smith's response or reaction was i'm going to handcuff you for officer safety? >> yes. >> that's what happened? >> yes. >> george zimmerman complied fully with that request. >> yes. >> he made himself available to be cuffed behind the back? >> yes. >> in the meantime while george zimmerman was in the process of being cuffed, he wanted you to call his wife. >> yes. >> in the process of him being cuffed and wanting you to call his wife, he put the phone on the ground? >> yes. >> he couldn't very well do much since he was in the process of being cuffed other than that, correct?
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>> right. >> your purpose at that point was to let his wife know that her husband had been involved in a shooting? >> yes. >> indeed that's what you did? >> yes. >> you called and had a conversation with the person on the other end that you believed to be his wife? >> yes. >> joyour statement was your husband's been involved in a shooting? >> yes. >> and is going to be taken in for questioning? >> yes. >> and you're beginning to explain a bit when mr. zimmerman in the process of being handcuffed said just tell her i shot someone in. >> yes. >> that's to make it clear he wasn't the one that had been shot -- >> objection. >> don't know what mr. zimmerman was thinking. >> sustained. >> you suggested a moment in your direct that he may have
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been abrupt and abrupt by saying just get to the point? >> yes. >> the point being he wasn't shot. someone else had been shot? >> yes. >> all right. while there's a little pause let eets take another quick break. we'll resume our coverage m of the cross-examination of this witness who heard the gunshot that killed trayvon martin right after this. now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh! could've had a v8. in the juice aisle. radio: it's mattress discounters' 4th of july sale...
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the attorney for george zimmerman is continuing his cross-examination of this man who was there in the neighborhood, heard a gunshot and ran out and began to see what was going on and confronted george zimmerman with questions. let's listen in. >> you familiar that the
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community neighborhood watch program involvedd more communication, more contact among neighbors, guidance as to what they should do not just if it's an emergency that would require a 911 call but what to do in a suspicious circumstance by calling a nonemergency number? >> i don't understand. >> you didn't know what was going on in the community specifically with neighborhood watch? >> right. >> i know you said it was dark, and i know you had a flashlight and i know that you took two pictures that show trayvon martin lying on the ground following the shot. those are in evidence as 77 and
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78. could we, first of all, we're going to show those in a second. the exact position that he is shown in the photograph is the exact position that you personally saw with your eyes trayvon martin's body? >> yes. >> you saw his legs kind of spread like this almost as if he were riding a bicycle? >> i don't remember. >> let's take a look at 77. would you pull that, please. that's 77. >> you want 77 or 78. >> i don't care. we'll start with this. you took this photo of trayvon
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martin and you see the legs that i've described as sort of almost riding a bicycle type position with the right knee bent? >> yes. >> and the hip at an angle? >> yes. >> that's exactly how you first observed mr. martin's body when you got there? >> yes. >> and the illumination of mr. martin's body is from your flashlight, correct? >> yes. >> it's not from the flash on the phone? >> no. >> you shined the flashlight and then took the photo? >> yes. >> around that spot where you see it's much darker, is that a good depiction of what the overall lighting conditions were that night? >> yes.
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>> if i could see 78. this is the next picture that you took. i don't know which sequence and that doesn't matter but the other picture that you took is state ee state's 78. you can see of trayvon martin's body is in the same position although it's a lot harder to see, isn't it? >> yes. >> now you can see more clearly this flashlight? >> yes. >> the flashlight was not on at any point in time when you saw it? >> no. >> at that point you had no idea whether it was connected to the case. only that you saw it there and it caught your attention? >> yes. >> when you shifted your flashlight to point at the one in the picture, then as you can see here mr. mar tip's body was
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just like i said before, except for what you're showing with your flashlight everything else was dark? >> right. >> were you -- do you know where you were standing at that point? >> on the sidewalk. >> where you had encountered mr. zimmerman? >> yes. >> basically in the same spot? >> yes. >> from your vantage point where you had taken this picture generally you sort of turned and took the pictures that we've shown here? >> yes. >> you were up near the t intersection? >> yes.
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>> your best recollection is you were at the t intersection when you took this picture? >> i was a few feet away from the t but in that area? >> you somewhere between the actual t-intersection and far enough down the sidewalk where you could see mr. martin's body to have taken this picture? >> yes. >> you recognize that the light on the sort of back patio area is from the light of the second unit in from the corner? >> i couldn't remember whether
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that's the second or third unit from the corner. >> it was not directly across from you? >> correct. >> it was somewhat to the left of where your unit was? >> yes. >> let's take another quick break, resume our coverage right after this. i wish this test drive was over, so we could head back to the dealership. [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. test drive! [ male announcer ] but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a jetta. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen.
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the cross-examination has stopped, but now there's what they call a redirect. the prosecutor, bernie delarianda, questioning a neighbor who heard the gunshot, ran outside, and saw george zimmerman standing over the body of trayvon martin. >> he was calm, is that correct? >> yes -- >> i think that's a mischaracterization of this witness' testimony as to whether he was calm. >> the witness can clarify what his answer is. >> thank you, judge. >> how would you describe mr.
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zimmerman's demeanor, sir? >> coherent, compliant. he wasn't -- he was calm. you know, just basically just walking toward me. >> okay. did he have any trouble walking toward you, sir? >> he was staggering a little bit. >> okay. when you say "staggering," elaborate what you mean by that. >> basically getting up off the ground. >> was he walking like this -- >> no, just like hunched -- >> leading, among other thing. >> overruled. >> was he erect, sir? >> at one point he became erec,i yes. >> did you have trouble when he spoke -- >> no. >> in your conversations, did you ask what caliber of gun mr.
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zimmerman had? >> yes. >> did he respond to you? >> yes. >> what did the defendant say, sir? >> .9 millimeter. >> you were asked by mr. west about the statements the defendant made about shooting the individual, and he asked you whether you agreed that that was defending himself. were you out there when this happened? >> i came up after it happened. >> did you see actually what happened? what precipitated this, or did you actually see the shooting where george zimmerman shot trayvon martin in the chest? did you see that? >> no. >> do you have any inkling of how it happened? whether it's self-defense or not? >> no. >> thank you.
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no further questions. i apologize -- do you want this -- no? okay. >> may he be excused? >> yes. >> thank you, call your next witness.
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>> while we're awaiting the next witness, let's get analysis of what we just heard over the past nearly one hour. jane velez-mitchell is joining us. also mark nejame. what do you make of the last witness? >> it's good for george zimmerman in the sense that he took a picture, he said, "am i bleeding," he took a picture of the back of his head, there was blood. he said there was blood streaming down his nose. so is this the behavior of an innocent man who's just been beaten up, or is this the behavior of a vigilante? what kind of concerned me, struck me at first was the lack of emotion on the part of george zimmerman. he's just shot somebody dead are there tears, a sense of emotion is there a sense of emotion, oh, my god, there's somebody lying on the ground, no. he's extraordinarily calm, this witness says. he's matter of fact. does that point to the vigilante attitude? that's what jurors have to decide.
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they have to decide if this guy was beaten up and doesn't have the wherewithal emotionally to care about this dead person on the ground, or is this a guy who's callous and doesn't care and may be even proud of having shot him because he tells the guy, "tell my wife i shot someone." >> and mark, what's the upshot in your opinion of what john mandelaello said? >> his battered and bruised body. and additionally that he indicated immediately that he fought in self-defense. so as jane indicates, i mean, it does have both sides. but you know, does he believe that he was protecting his life and shot somebody in self-defense, or was he cold and calculated? i think that the bigger issue's going to be -- we all know that people can react differently depending upon who they are. we all don't act the same. so the biggest thing, though, is you've got confirmation of the battered and bruised body, the person who took the picture. i think that is going to be the biggest part of it. i don't think he's going to be a make it or break it witness. >> the context, jane, his wife
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testified earlier, she seemed to suggest that zoisimmerman was t agreesor, is that right? >> there have been over half a dozen witnesses, all of whom saw fragments, wolf. that is the problem. it's a dark, rainy night. everybody is seeing fragments along a timeline that's intercepted by 911 calls and screams and various commotions. so in -- is there, say, in darkness and in rain reasonable doubt? i think that's possibly the key question here. >> and mark, as you see the situation, as it stands now, we're wrapping up week one of this trial, where does it stand? >> well, i think the state started off very strong. i've been impressed with the quality of the prosecutors. i think as we're seeing it now,
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they have to put on the full case so they don't lose credibility. these were witnesses that were going come out. they seem to be toward the end of this that we're seeing in the timeline witnesses more helping the defense than they would be helping the prosecution. because remember, we have to keep going to -- it's not like who do you kind of believe. the state has to prove this beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. that is such a strict standard when there's confusion and conflict among witnesses. that typically -- that typically sides with the defense, as it should be, as our constitution dictates. >> mark nejame will be with us throughout the day, so will jane velez-mitchell. she's going to be reporting on her show on our sister network, hln. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." more coverage on this and all the day's important news. brooke baldwin picks up the special coverage of the george zimmerman trial right now. >> wolf blitzer, thank you very much. good to see everyone on this friday afternoon. we'll bring in a lot of voices
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to parcel through what we've heard thus far today. you're seeing this gentleman just taking the stand. he is a sanford police officer by the name of ricardo ayala, the fourth person to take the stand. the state will be questioning him, then he will be cross-examined by the defense. let's listen. >> right there -- >> all right. for the record, that's in the approximate area of the t. what was the lighting like back there? >> very dim. very -- almost dark. >> were you using a flashlight to find your way between the townhomes? >> yes, sir. >> what were the weather conditions like when you arrived? >> mostly it had been raining on and off. >> what was officer smith doing when you first arrived? >> he had a white male at gunpoint. >> did you later learn the white male's name to be zimmermgeorge zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> d