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advantage. another compelling day in court, we'll go indepth on that. egypt is on the edge of a volcano. that's what it looks like tonight. these are live pictures. millions across the country protesting the government everyone the clock ticking before the military steps in. we begin with the breaking news. all 19 firefighters killed in the yarnell hill fire still burning out of control north of phoenix. they have been identified and taken to the maricopa county medical examiner's office in phoenix. every member of that team but
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one perished. it's the deadliest single day that firefighters and their loved ones have endured since 9/11. more on how we came to this terrible day. >> reporter: it began as a simple ordinary act of nature. a lightning strike at 5:36 friday evening, igniting a 500 acre blaze. there were twin problems, scorching heat and low humidity, the combination the fire exploded into a monster, devouring acres that had not burned in 40 years. first a few dozen homes. then 200 scorched. firefighters across the region including the hotshots from station 7 to prescott, located 30 miles away jumped into action. the hotshots, a team of 20 sent into the heart of the fire, to cut a line on the eastern flank and save other homes.
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>> they're highly trained, highly skilled, their situational awareness is very high. for this crew, it's very difficult to imagine what happened. >> it was sunday afternoon, the hotshot crew was behind the fire line when like most afternoons a thunderstorm blew in. this one was different, it packed what the fire department calls monsoon winds. and the crew was trapped on the wrong side of them. >> late in the day, a thunderstorm developed over prescott, and the wind shift of 180 degrees on these firefighters and 40 to 50 mile per hour gusts instead of staying out of the way, the fire blew right toward them. >> the hotshots drilled for such a disaster. in this training video, they show how to deploy the fire shelter, a last resort move. they dove under the shelters, but it wasn't enough to save them from the ferocious wildfire. all but one were killed. the remains of 19 bodies found. some still in their shelters. >> we lost 19 of our family members. it's a nightmare right now.
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>> 19 heroes between the ages of 21 and 43 taken from the charred fields they tried to extinguish in a caravan of white vans, people lining the streets here and mourners lining the gate of station seven with flags and flowers. the hotshot team's cars still parked where they pulled in three days ago. their families retrieving the uniforms of their fallen loved ones, wives widowed in an instant. >> they're young guys. it's the top guys that do this, they have to be in top shape. and they knew what they were doing, something just really went wrong, somewhere. >> it's an unimaginable loss. kim lah joins me now live. do we know how the one fireman survived? >> he wasn't with his crew. he was jogging with some equipment he was moving, that's
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why he survived because he wasn't with them. everyone who was together in that crew perished. >> we're going to talk to the father of one of the men who perished. they were so young. it's hard to imagine, first time fathers are about to become first time fathers. in terms of the fire now, the homes, what are we hearing about the number of homes destroyed? >> reporter: well, the last figure that we're hearing is that 200 homes have been damaged or destroyed. the acreage now is at 8400 acres. the important thing to realize about this, is that firefighters are stressing this is not a final figure, they expect it to change. >> thanks very much. president obama spoke by phone today with jan brewer pledging assistance to the families and crews of the fallen. their names have just been released. we're learning about the lives that some of them led. we want to take a moment to tell you what we know about these
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young men. at the very least you should know their names, anthony rose, chris mackenzie,clayton whitted, dustin dedford, garrett zuppiger, sean misner, travis carter, travis turbyfill, wade parker, billy warneke and kevin woyjeck. he had no kids but leaves a wife behind. andrew ashcraft had a wife and four young children, he was 29 years old. chris mckenzie was like so many other hotshots. he loved snowboarding, living life to the fullest. clayton whitted was 28, knew what a battle looked like on and off the gridiron.
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he said he knew this fire season was a tough one. dustin loved the outdoors, loved to hunt, mourned by two sisters and seven brothers. jesse steed served in the marines before becoming a firefighter until -- and become a hotshot at 2002, he leaves behind a wife and two young kids. scott norris was 28, worked at the local gun shop. known around town as the ideal gentleman. sean missner was going to be a first time dad. cris carter was thinking of retiring this year. he was 31 years old. wade parker was engaged to be married in 22. billy had he lived would have become a father in december. he was 25 years old. kevin woyjeck was 21, but born to be a hotshot. he's the son of a firefighter. that's kevin's dad joe. earlier tonight i spoke with him by phone.
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>> captain woyjeck, i'm so sorry for you and your family's loss, i can't imagine what you're going through at this point. what do you want people to know about your son, about kevin? >> he wanted to be a firefighter like his dad, like me. we come from a family of firefighters, we go to work. we know there's a risk. you spend your whole life protecting your children. and then knowingly letting him go into harm's way, i can only imagine how my parents felt when i became a firefighter. knew the risk was there. always smiling, always laughing. great fisherman, loved to fish. he always had a big heart. always wanted to be a fireman. he loved the outdoors. you know, sleeping in the dirt was not a big deal to him. he enjoyed it actually. just a great kid. not a mean bone in his body.
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just looking forward to become a firefighter. words can't describe the loss that our family's feeling right now. my wife and i, and my other son -- many times i will dig in and figure out what happened, but right now, i'm happy that i have my close tight family, and i'm so blessed that my family has -- my firefighter family is absolutely amazing. i feel for the other 18 firefighters and their families. it's a tragic loss. it's real to me, and i've never been in a position where it felt like the bad dreams -- my wife and i both had a sleepless night last night talking. that word kept coming out, night terror, the nightmare we haven't woken up. he called me yesterday morning at about 6:45 in the morning said dad, we have a fire in
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yarnell, arizona, afterwards i'll give you a call later. >> he already accomplished an incredible amount, to be 21 years old and to be on this hotshot crew. it's an elite unit. >> i started out as a wild man firefighter. how hard it was. running in the mountains. if you can run, you get yourself out of trouble. if you get in that position. he worked out hard. he worked out as a cross country runner, and he couldn't even excel at running until he graduated from high school. because he knew that hotshot
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crews, you had to be 50 of the elite. >> there's also got to be an incredibly close bond between the family of firefighters who are together. your son and the people he's working with on your crew. >> that's correct. i -- he just started there in april, april 1st. i haven't had time to really spend with his crew. you build a bond with your crew, and your team when you're out in harm's way, that there's no way to describe it, you can't -- >> well, captain woyjeck, i'm so sorry for your loss. our condolences to you and your entire family. we wish you the best in the days ahead. >> thank you, sir. thank you for taking my call. >> such a loss. this is a very active fire, even as firefighters are mourning, because they're trying to come to grips with the reality of this, they can't stop working. joining us now is dan frye. i'm so sorry for your loss and the loss of all your comrades.
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so many of them were so young. seven of them under 25. talk about the kind of people who do this work? >> these are very special people that are dedicated to doing good things, they're very physically fit, very dedicated. great sense of humor for the most part, these are the type of people that don't mind going out in the forest and hauling 50 or 60, 70 pounds of beer, walking five or six miles, establishing fire lines or burned out areas, trying to protect property. these are just outstanding people that are truly well conditioned, athletic young men. >> how do you go about dealing with this loss, and at the same time, you still have to fight this fire? >> well, we also have a great deal of dedicated people here in the city. that despite the grief that we're going through, despite the losses that took place, and the
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sorrow that's extended, they're still ready to respond. the city's still covered, we're dealing with issues every day, routinely, and they separate their grief from their professionalism. >> i know it's early, and maybe you haven't been able to investigate this, are you any closer to understanding what happened out there? >> not really. one of the things that must be understood is that that fire is about 40 or 50 miles away, and it's being handled by an incident command team at the national level, through the forest service or state agency. we send our crews wherever we're requested. they could be engines or hotshot crews. once we send them, we're out of the picture until they come back. and they're redeemployed or the season ends. >> in terms of these
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individual -- i apologize, i don't know the correct term, but they're bracicly individual little ten thes that are fire resistant. can you explain how those work? how strong are those? what kind of flames -- do they resist direct fire? >> well, what they do is they reflect the heat. when somebody has to deploy a shelter like that, is an absolute last resort, there are no other options. we try to get as close to the ground as we possibly can. they're built in such a way that our hands and feet fit in them, we tuck them in as much as we can, and have the fire go over top. if it's a slower moving or very dense area, then it becomes much more serious. deploying the shelter is a very, very last risk move that people take when there's no other options. >> i know that one of the firefighters sent word that all the men were deploying all those shelters. was anything else said in that message that you can say? >> i'm sorry, i didn't understand your question. >> did you receive any other kind of communication from the
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crew about what was going on? >> the only thing i know was that the crew had said that they're deploying the shelters. and then there was a long period of silence where the incident commanders could not get information. >> chief fraijo, again, our condolences for your loss, and our thoughts are with all of you. thank you. >> thank you for your concern and for allowing us to talk about this. >> thank you very much. and we're trying to give you as much information as we can about these 19 heroes who lost their lives. let me know what you think. just ahead, george zimmerman's own words took center stage on day six of his murder trial. prosecutors tried to highlight inconsistencies of what he told police. the heart of cairo egypt right now, take a look at those images, extraordinary images, very ominous night there. the military's just issued an order, some are saying amounts to a ticking timebomb. we'll take you there live. meet the newest member of the quicken loans family:
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welcome back, this is woke two of the george zimmerman
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trial. today jurors heard zimmerman give his version of what happened the night he shot trayvon martin. this was all on video. a detective also testified about the written statement zimmerman gave later that night. the lead investigator in the case also took the stand. the prosecution tried to use zimmerman's own words and to back up their claim that he profiled martin from the moment he spotted him. defense tried to show that zimmerman's statements were credible. just ahead, our legal panel is going to weigh-in on who had a better day in court. martin savage takes a look at the testimony. >> reporter: doris singleton was the first to interview zimmerman the night he shot trayvon martin, and said he seemed surprised to learn the teen had died. >> at some point i said that we weren't able to identify the victim and he said, what do you mean you haven't been able to identify him. >> i said, we don't know who he is.
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and he said, he's dead? and i said, i thought you knew that. i thought you knew he was dead. and he kind of slung his head and shook it. >> in a recording of that interview, zimmerman again repeats the line prosecutors said went to his state of mind. >> there were times where i've seen a suspicious person in the neighborhood. we call the police, the nonemergency line, and these guys always get away. >> the state contends zimmerman instantly profiled martin that night. pointing to his written statement, in which zimmerman repeatedly described martin as the suspect. and prosecutors attempted to show how zimmerman's account changed. zimmerman said martin attacked him after jumping out of the bushes. >> i was walking back through to where my car was. and he jumped out from the bushes.
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and ed said, what the [ umping >> that's right about here, he yelled from behind me. he said, yo, you got a problem? i turned around and said, no, i don't have a problem, man. >> where was he at? >> he was about there, but he was walking toward me. >> what direction here? >> yes, sir, i believe -- like i said, i was already past that, so ien did the see exactly where he came from. >> the state entered into evidence another police interview, in which investigators challenged zimmerman's account of events. >> you don't seem at this point -- you haven't -- here's the pavement, you're looking down that way. where were you at? >> once he told me not to follow him -- i wasn't following him, i was going in the same direction he was. once they --
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>> each time on cross-examination, the defense attorney always came back to the same point. that both investigators found zimmerman credible. >> were there any questions that you asked him or any changes in his story along the way that caused you concern? >> not significantly, no. >> you think he was telling the truth? >> yes. >> martin savidge, cnn, sanford, florida. >> martin's going to join us in a little bit to talk about what went on in the courtroom today. joining me is senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin, and sunny hostin. on the defense side, danny savalos and mark geragos. all four of you, i want to throw this question out to all four of you, do any of you believe that the prosecution had a particularly good day today? does anybody believe that the prosecution is as a step closer to proving their case? anderson, could i -- i have a
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theory about this. i think that was has happened here, this is -- and, jeff, i have no evidence of this, so i'll say that as a disclaimer, when the police did not arrest him, they found him to be credible, they thought that they weren't going to file. i think that what has happened here, is that when the state's attorney filed this case, they feel like the police were thrown under the bus. and i think the police are now engaging in payback, and when those questions that o'meara asked to get those answers out of the officers, to me is stunning. anden anderson, i assume your question was almost a hypothetical, because, no, they're not -- they're not a step closer, this was a disastrous day. >> go ahead. >> for the first time in history, i can agree completely with what mark said. i had a feeling that the cops were really going out of their way to be sympathetic to zimmerman today.
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you know, of course -- he didn't ask for a lawyer. he -- he immediately talked to us, he was truthful, honest. we tried our special investigative techniques. they even asked him about the inconsistencies and he said, i didn't think they were really such big inconsistencies, everyone tells a story differently. they sounded like defense attorneys. >> let me play one more piece of an interview with the female police officer talking about whether george zimmerman exhibited any ill will or malice. >> did he evidence that he was angry with trayvon martin? >> no. >> that he had hatred for him? >> no. >> spite or ill will? >> no. >> that he had anything that would suggest to you some type of bad attitude toward trayvon martin >> no. >> rather he seemed to be affected by the fact that trayvon martin had passed. >> he seemed affected by that. >> that's a state's witness.
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>> this is brillian the. it's so new answered. what mark o'meara is doing is reading out of the statute. the statute defines -- the state has the burden of proof. they have to prove three separate things, one of those is ill will, evil hatred, that's where those questions come from. he's literally getting his closing argument prepared by asking about that evil or ill will. so now he's establishing that at least one witness is going to negate that ill will, if you negate one, this is a giant jenga game. the entire case fails, and it is florida law that an impulsive over reaction to a fight or attack is not ill will or evil. >> did you see anything different there? anything positive for the prosecution? >> yeah, i did. i'm going to agree with mark as well. certainly, you have to remember that these are the same police officers that the investigation
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was taken from, and their power was usurped, i'm sure they were a little bit upset about it, some of that came across on the witness stand. when you look at george zimmerman's statements, he did call trayvon martin repeatedly a suspect. he also said these guys always get away i think something that's interesting to take away as well, he talked about -- sarinos said he didn't feel george zimmerman's injuries were life threatening. he also said he didn't believe george zimmerman went down with a single punch. we also got out those inconsistencies when it talks about who was the first aggressor, right? that's going to be the most important issue here, i think it was clear that at first he said, well -- he told singleton, i got out of the car to get an address. you know, there are only three streets at twin lakes, the fact that the neighborhood watch coordinator didn't know one of the three streets is incredible. he finally admitted sort of, that listen, he got out and was following him.
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and i think that when you look at it all in context, yes, maybe his statements were consistent, they are his statements, his self-serving statements, there was a lot for the prosecution to work with, given those statements. >> very briefly, is it possible -- i mean, second degree murder is what he's charged with. is it possible for the jury on their own to say, we don't think it's second degree murder, but maybe it should be manslaughter? is that within the power of the jury to -- >> if the jury has to go with what's called a lesser included, they get a jury instruction. if they give lessers, the jury can, they have to work from top to bottom, if they acquit on second degree and get a lesser of manslaughter, yes, they can find him guilty or not guilty of that. >> you will find prosecutors who believe that you should always charge the absolute most you can and let the jury compromise to something you could live with. >> doesn't that make the closing argument in the prosecution's
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case harder to argue? >> that's what other prosecutors think, which is if you overcharge, you wind up discrediting your entire case. the problem here is, they're not establishing any kind of case at least on a day like today as far as i can tell. but again, i don't think we should overemphasize one day. there's a lot of evidence in this case, but i just thought this day was not very successful. just ahead, more of george zimmerman in his own words, what he told police about the night he killed tray van martin. we'll show you what he said. plus, we'll take you inside the dangerous world of the granite mountain hotshots. what it takes to join their ranks and what they face on the job as they're all mourning the death of 19 hotshots just yesterday. with the spark cash card
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welcome back. as we said, george zimmerman's own words took center stage at his murder trial in its second week today. zimmerman spoke to police multiple times after the shooting. the prosecution wants to expose inconsistencies in what he told them. here's some of what the jurors themselves heard today in court. >> did you at any time -- [ inaudible ] >> did it occur to you in. >> no, i didn't have a problem. so i backed away. >> you did have a problem, that's why you were following him is it. >> well -- >> you were afraid to tell him that? yes, ma'am. >> i'm not trying to put you on the spot. these are the questions you answered. >> i don't recognize you. are you staying here?
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>> he came up out of nowhere. i didn't see him. i walked back to my car, thinking i was going to need a police officer there. when he came up, he caught me off guard. >> can you see how that would frighten him, he had been following -- >> what do you mean? >> you're watching him -- >> he makes it -- >> he may not make it clear to you, i recognize you're following me? >> i didn't know if he was doing that, or he was doubling back or what he was doing. >> george zimmerman didn't appear to have any obvious reactions, as he listened to his own words played in court today. at least not when the cameras are on him. you have to be in the courtroom to see the jurors reaction. martin savidge and jean casarez were in the courtroom, they join me now. we got a firsthand account from zimmerman without him having to take the stand, didn't we? >> yes, pretty interesting.
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by my count there were five different versions of george zimmerman giving a statement as to what happened on the night he killed trayvon martin. i'm thinking four were recorded in some way, and one was written, and each one of them was introduced into court. it was george zimmerman, not quite taking the stand, but very much having a strong presence in everything that took place in testimony today. and what was also interesting was to see the progression. i mean, from the very first interview that he gives to authorities, about an hour, hour and a half after he shot the teen, where the officer questioning him really doesn't ask many questions at all, until the final session, which you just played right now, where you see that these investigators are now grilling him and going back over the inconsistencies and saying, wait a minute, this doesn't seem to match up.
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to watch that was interesting. >> the jury also saw zimmerman's re-enactment of event which is took place february 27th, the day after the shootings, i want to play a chunk again of what jurors saw. >> i tried squirming again, because all i could think about was when he hit my head, it felt like my head was going to explode and i thought i was going to lose consciousness. i tried to squirm because he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete. i tried to squirm off the concrete. when i did that, somebody here opened the door. and i said, help me, help me, and they said, i'll call 911, i said, no, help me. i need help. >> that person who opened the door has already testified i was curious -- i mean, being inside the courtroom, could you tell, what was the jury's reaction? >> you flow, they had been writing notes all day, and looking up and writing notes. when this was played, anderson,
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the pens were down, they were so focused on the screen, and there is a mystery that we still have here, though. because george zimmerman says i believed that he was using a brick to pound my head. so when i shot him, i thought he was still alive. i got on his back, because i wanted to find what i thought was that brick. i put his hands up. his hands were found underneath him almost from the beginning. and that's a mystery how that happened. >> i heard a lot of analysts say there's no way now, given these tapes, the multiple statements entered into evidence. there's no way he's going to take the stand to give testimony, do you agree with that? >> you know, this morning, i would have said, i think he will take the stand possibly now, i think i have to agree with you, at the end of the day, i have to tell you the lead detective was saying, did you think he was profiling him. i asked george, if he was white, would you have done the same thing? he said yes. once i learned george zimmerman was mentoring african-americans,
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he was not profiling. coming up, a look at the hotshots, in the wake of the tragic death of 19 people fighting fires yesterday. also, we're going to take you to egypt, another kind of front lines. canada, what's it going to take to get egypt to pull back from the brink and save their young democracy from a military takeover. or is that inevitable? we're live from tahrir square ahead. that's why the free wifi and hot breakfast are something to smile about. book a great getaway now and feel the hamptonality
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our breaking news tonight, there you see it. the fire destroying hundreds of homes and 19 firefighters killed.
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the heat apparently too great for the protective tents they were equipped with. the prescott fire chief described the tents are made of lightweight aluminum covered fabric that can often but not always save a firefighter's life. listen to a survivor of another fire tell his harrowing story. >> for a period of probably three to five minutes i was sure that was it, i was going to die, and that i would not survive this. there's no question in my mind. it was just a matter of when. i remember thinking very clearly at that point, should i just brave this out and make this last whatever hour or whatever time it takes for me to die from this, or should i push this shelter off and stand up and take a deep breath and get this over with. at that point i started to think about my family, i have a wife, two daughters, i thought, i need to do everything that i possibly can to go home and see them.
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so that's really what kept me in the shelter. >> 19 firefighters will never see their families again. incredibly tough training for one of the toughest jobs on earth. we want to take a look now at the hotshots, the people who risk their lives to help us all. more now from randi kaye. >> reporter: when hotshots get the call, they head to the center of a blazing wildfire. an inferno that often times only they can stop. hotshots go where equipment can't. these elite firefighting teams are specially trained to use train saws to clear brush and cut a fire line through the dirt. a line that could stretch a mile
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long. it's their job to hold that line. john seger is a former hotshot. >> when the fire burns up to that line. the fire is going to put out embers, and some of those embers actually do cross the line, the hotshot cue or any of our crews will patrol the line and they look for those embers and try to get to them. >> seger likes his hotshot teams to military special ops units. they are the best of the best in wildfire suppression. highly motivated and highly trained. which is why they get the toughest assignments. >> their physical fitness training prior to the season and if it's a slow season during the season includes running, long endurance hikes. any type of push-ups, situps, the whole aerobics, cardio, physical fitness routine. >> there's a rigorous physical test that qualifies a hotshot.
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including a three mile hike in 45 minutes. while carrying a 45 pound pack. and a mile and a half run in ten and a half minutes or less. because of the physical endurance required, most hotshots tend to be younger, in their 20s and 30s. >> it's certainly not an easy gig. hotshot crews are on call 24-7 during fire season, about six months out of the year. they're sent to where the terrain is most severe and the weather is typically hot and dry. they're exposed to wind and dust and all kinds of poisonous plants. crews sleep on the ground and if they're lucky, they get to shower every couple of days. the job keeps them away from home for several weeks at a time, working 14 days on and two days off. the hours are long too. often stretching into 16 hour shifts. >> they travel all over the country. so it is very difficult.
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it is very difficult to maintain a family life. our firefighters are just that, family as adjust to it just like families in the military service adjust to it, but it is not an easy life. >> hotshot crews began in southern california in the late 1940s. they got their name, hotshot from always being in the hottest part of the fire. and this isn't the first devastating loss they've suffered. back in 1994, nearly 20 years ago, nine members of the primeville oregon holt shot team were killed when they were trapped fighting a colorado fire on storm king mountain. some firefighters try to survive by wrapping themselves in fireproof shelters like these. just like the 19 killed in arizona. while all hotshot team members tend to love the outdoors and thrive on a challenge, they know the dangers and what can happen when the wind shifts.
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randi kaye, cnn atlanta. >> i'm joined now by someone who knows the danger firsthand of the training that prepares you to face it. a former hotshot, these days he's an associate editor of outside magazine. kyle, thank you for being with us. this is so horrific, what occurred in arizona. what's your understanding of what happened and the conditions that led to it. >> well, you know, much of the southwest has been experiencing a pretty extreme drought over the past few years, and i think that's one major condition. the others, they're having thunderstorms. the thunderstorm that developed over prescott arizona and it started to move from the northwest to the southeast toward the fire, when that happened, it was -- there were 40 to 50 mile per hour winds blowing down the canyon, and the fire essentially just exploded.
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>> i read your article when it first came out. the physical conditioning of these firefighters, they're training. it is incredible their strength and the positions that they willingly put themselves in? >> yeah, it's -- i mean, the physical fitness is a matter of safety. they put these hotshot crews, they strive to make these guys in as good a shape as possible. the idea being, hopefully you'll be able to outrun a fire in the event that something happens. and physical fitness is sort of your first line of defense. >> what kind of firefighting tactics was this crew likely attempting when the situation got out of control? >> yeah, i don't -- i'm not entirely sure, my guess is that what they were doing would be called building direct lines. in a case like this, they were trying to protect structures, and the idea is to build -- to remove all the fuel right next to the edge of the fire. that means using chainsaws and shovels, whatever. whatever you've got to clear that fuel away, and then the
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fire runs into that line, and theoretically it's stopped. so in the case of this fire, you can see that those windses pumped it up and they were throwing -- embers were thrown over the line, once that happened, they were really in a fight for their lives. >> it's believed they all deployed these fire shelters that they carry, have you ever used one of these? how does it work? >> well, the -- every single firefighter in the country carries one of these fire shelters. of course, i've used them in training. the way it works, it sits behind you, you carry backpacks. if you're -- if something happens, there's a spark or a spot fire or something, god forbid you have to use these, you throw the pack aside, and you run toward a place where there's no -- there's nothing to burn. no fuel. and then you flick out this tent, you climb inside of it, and you frankly just hope for
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the best. >> but a direct flame on this, it's not built to sustain that for long? >> it's not actually built to sustain a direct flame at all. the way they work, they reflect the heat. it's basically, they're aluminum foil, the heat is reflected off, as soon as the flame touches it, the structure is compromised and no longer provides the safety you need. >> it's unbelievable, and there's a lot more about the situation we need to learn. i appreciate you coming on, thank you. >> thank you. up next tonight, egypt, gripped by angry protests again. against the year old morsi government. now morsi has issued an ultimatum. rks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business?
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we want to take you to egypt now, where the military has given mohammed morsi 48 hours to answer the angry demands of protesters to take to the streets or it will step in and restore the order they say. to give you an idea of how many egyptians are fedup, take a look at this, tens of thousands rallied in tahrir square today as they have the past few days. many calling on morsi to include the moderate political elements into his government, and try to reduce the growing influence of the conservative muslim brotherhood. other egyptians say he's ineffective and resign immediately. protesters have stormed the headquarters of the muslim brotherhood. clashes with police across egypt led to at least 16 deaths, hundreds have been wounded. and late word that five government ministers resigned today. it's the middle of the night.
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thousands of protesters are camped out at this hour. it's the same tactic they used in 2011 to dislodge hose any mubarak from three degeneration aids of rule. the area is on the edge of a volcano. does that sound right to you, based on what you're seeing? >> that's about right. what we see -- what you see behind me, of course, is tens of thousands of people, it's 3:00 a.m. in the morning here. calling on mohammed morsi to step down. in other parts of cairo there are demonstrations by not so many people to support the president. the real worry is, that these two camps are going to meet and blood could be shed. last night you mentioned the storming of the headquarters of the muslim brotherhood. eight people were killed there, eight people sunday elsewhere in egypt. and certainly that is the worry that these two groups are going
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to come together. and it could be very nasty. >> ben, while you're speaking, i don't know if it's possible for your camera operator to show some of the shots in tahrir square to get a sense of what it's like at this time of night. is there a sense of what the military's going to do? they have given this ultimatum, what does that mean? this is pressure on the muslim brotherhood and the opposition to put their difference as side and start running the country properly. analysts will tell you that what they're looking for is a more inclusive cabinet, as you say, as you have said, five ministers have resigned from the government today. they would like early presidential and parliamentary elections.
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at the moment, egypt does not have a parliament, the problem is, the opposition and the muslim brotherhood led government are so far apart at this point it's very difficult to envision them coming together. we saw a statement from the presidency today saying they were not consulted prior to the issuing of this ultimatum. clearly there's a broad gap between the president and the military and let's not forget, it's really the military in egypt that is the biggest, strongest, most powerful institution here and when they tell the government, when they tell the politicians get your act together, they're serious. >> fascinating days, ben wedeman stay safe. let's get caught up on some of the other stories we're following tonight. >> we begin with breaking news. a statement tonight from nsa leaker edward snowden, and he's not backing down.
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he blasts the obama administration for trying to block his efforts to seek asylum in another country, calling it a scare tactic and says he's unbowed in his convictions. the stock market kicked off the second half of the year on the up side. the dow jones rose and the nasdaq and s&p 500 scored gains as well. this video showing robert gill the rookie wide receiver for the arizona cardinals, running on a treadmill at 25 miles per hour. while he's apparently in tip top shape as you see, he's not a kid in nfl years, he's 29 years old now. i think he has bragging rights now. >> do not try that at home. >> do not. >> i ran on the treadmill four miles today. i would not try that in a million years. >> it would not end well.
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