that's all for us tonight. anderson cooper and cnn special, "self-defense or murder, the george zimmerman trial" starts right now. >> good evening. welcome once again to our "ac 360" special coverage, "self-defense or murder, the george zimmerman trial." self-defense or murder, how the jury sees these injuries could answer that question. as the prosecution tried to show today, are we looking at the kind of cuts and scrapes from a garden variety scuffle, one that didn't have to end with a teenager did on the grass? that wasn't all, as the prosecution tries to struggle from a string of witnesses that

at times appear to help the defense. we have our team of legal experts on board tonight. but first, martin savidge sets the stage. >> the injuries to the defendant's back of the head consistent with repeatedly being slammed into a concrete surface. >> reporter: the key reason zimmerman is given for shooting trayvon martin. >> how would you classify the injuries to the defendant's head? >> they were not life threatening. they were very insignificant. they did not require any sutures to be applied. so i would refer to them insignificant injuries. >> reporter: on cross-examination, the defense attorney implied she owed her job to the special prosecutor in the zimmerman case.

and then walked her back from some of her findings. >> it's your position that it's consistent that george zimmerman may have only received as little as three -- did you call -- what term did you use, smashings or slammings into cement. >> i didn't use the word slamming. i got that from the re-enactment. >> what word would you use? >> impact. >> so it's your position there are at least three impacts between that head and cement? >> yes. concrete. >> reporter: earlier, zimmerman's best friend took the stand, it was mark osterman convinced zimmerman to buy the gun. and he wrote a book about the case. >> you wrote a book where you quoted what the defendant, george zimmerman, told you, correct? >> correct. >> and you recall in that book

writing, do you have a problem with that, that's what he said trayvon martin said? >> right. correct. >> reporter: in that book, he says zimmerman said martin tried to reach for the weapon on his hip, actually touching the gun. >> the defendant is claiming that the victim actually grabbed the gun, grabbed the -- >> that was my understanding, that he grabbed the gun. >> reporter: but a latent print technician found no trace of martin's prints but conceded rain could have washed it away. >> so fingerprints may have exited on an item that you have lift a latent from and there be no latents whatsoever, correct? >> correct. >> even though it's been handled by two or three people? >> that's correct. >> reporter: osterman wrote that zimmerman held down his hands, fearing he might be still be a

threat, but the teen's hands were underneath his body. >> you call that being underneath his body? >> yes, sir. >> could someone say that was inconsistent? >> yes. >> reporter: the jury being told the ignore a key moment of monday's testimony. that moment, when the defense attorney got the stanford police department's lead investigator to say he believed zimmerman told him the truth. martin savidge, cnn, florida. >> we're going to speak with mark o'mara later on in the program, as well as a attorney for trayvon martin's family. as always, we have the best legal team around and a forensic scientist here. and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin.

danny savalos and mark geragos are all here. we heard from the medical examiner, saying that zimmerman's wounds were not significant. do you agree? >> i don't. first of all, you can bet on the fact that the defense will have a medical examiner that will contradict everything that we heard today. yes, these wounds appear to be superficial. that does not mean that george zimmerman was not in fear for his life. and further more, although wounds can appear to be superficial, there can be a great deal of serious, underlying trauma. for example, subdural hematoma can result in death. >> so somebody can have their head slammed and have just that little laceration? >> yes. >> zimmerman said several times he was slammed repeatedly. i want to listen to more of what

the medical examiner said today. >> doctor, using your definition of slamming, your common understanding of slamming, are the injuries to the back of the defendant's head consistent with repeatedly having been slammed into a concrete surface? >> no. >> why not >> because the injuries are so minor, that to me the word "slam" implies great force. and this -- the resulting injuries are not great force. >> what type and extent of injuries would you expect to see if the defendant's head had been repeatedly slammed into a concrete surface? >> if somebody's head is repeatedly slammed against concrete with great force, i would expect lacerations, i would expect a lot of injury that would necessitate suturing. so i don't see that in this picture. >> mark, what do you make of her

testimony? and does it matter as long as george zimmerman felt his life was in danger or he believed he was going to black out as he said to law enforcement? >> look, at the risk of infuriating some of the psychos on twitter who follow "ac 360," this woman has probably been in private practice, my guess is she's never treated a live patient. i would bet that there's never been anybody that she's treated who was -- who needed her help. i think she, if anything, was a disaster for the prosecution. the idea that she thinks that three slams on the head against a concrete curb couldn't do damage to you, i just think it's laughable. i don't understand what she's talking about. i've had cases, i have defended within the last 24 months murder

cases where my client was charged with hitting somebody who hit the concrete curb one time and died and he was charged with murder. so i don't know what she's talking about. lawrence maybe can inform you. but to me, this was a no-brainer. this woman is abysmal, like the worst defense expert that you would get, and somehow the prosecution thinks this is helpful? only in sunny's world would this be helpful. >> sunny, you think this was helpful for the prosecution? >> of course it was helpful. i've got to tell you, i just don't know which trial mark, my friend, is watching. the prosecution wants to show that these injuries were insignificant and they certainly weren't life threatening. because in order for george zimmerman to have used deadly force, the standard is reasonable. was it reasonable for him to feel like he was in danger of death, imminent death, great bodily harm?

there was no great bodily injury. >> sunny,ky ask you -- >> he didn't -- >> i just want to ask you one question. can i ask you one question? let me just ask you one question, sunny. you're a prosecutor. you're sitting in your office and the police come in and they show you the pictures of george zimmerman's face and the back of his head, and you're the filing deputy. and they say, the police say we want to file assault with a deadly weapon with gross bodily injury. as a prosecutor, you're seriously with a straight face on national tv going to tell me you wouldn't file adw with great bodily injury based on these pictures? >> absolutely, because it's not just the pictures. >> sunny, sunny, then you're not -- >> okay, okay. >> once again, save this sape. >> jeff? >> i thought this was symbolic

of a microcosm of the government's case, which was, you know, potentially incriminating, but potentially not. but her testimony was susceptible to an interpretation that he had essentially no injuries and was lying about the seriousness of them. it was also susceptible to the interpretation that he was actually in serious jeopardy and did have his head banged against the floor. >> and they can bring in their own person who says these injuries though other wise. >> right. when you are the prosecutor, you're supposed to put on evidence that is entirely incriminating, and as with so many witnesses in this case, this interpretation is susceptible to two interpretations, and that's not good for the prosecution. >> danny, where do you lie on this? >> can i just say one thing? >> mark is groaning here. >> i just -- i just don't understand something. >> come on, mark.

>> want to take the doctor's head and bang it against the curb three times and say do you want me to bang it a fourth or a fifth? this woman is crazy. she's never had a live person as a patient. >> this woman is crazy says the man who is screaming at the top of his lungs. >> mark is right about one thing. i have to agree about what mark says about the prosecutors. prosecutors would charge this as an aggravated assault. >> no way. >> sunny, look at the photographs. >> have you been a prosecutor, danny? >> i have not. it doesn't mean i haven't seen plenty of aggravated assaults. i think that based on these injuries, it's clear, there are a lot of das that would charge this as serious bodily injury. with that in mind, we don't have to prove that zimmerman suffered serious bodily injury. only that he was in reasonable

apprehension of serious bodily injury. anderson, if i shoot a gun at you, and the bullet misses, you haven't suffered any injury. but were you in apprehension of serious bodily injury? absolutely. so yes, it is compelling what his injuries were, but the standard is not his actual injury, it is the apprehension, the reasonable apprehension. >> there was testimony from george zimmerman's best friend, who described what zimmerman told him about trayvon martin, claiming that trayvon martin grabbed for his gun. i want to play a little bit of that testimony. >> as you stated, the defendant told you that the victim, trayvon martin, grabbed his gun, correct. >> yes, grabbed for his gun. >> he didn't -- >> the gun didn't come out. but he grabbed the gun in the

holster. >> the defendant didn't tell you he grabbed for it, he said he actually got it? >> that's what i thought i heard, yes. >> if that is true, and trayvon martin grabbed for the gun, would there have been fingerprints on it, because they said they didn't find any? >> i don't think it's likely. generally, we don't get usable fingerprints. >> why is that? >> because the surface is not smooth. it's textured. usually fingerprints are smeared. she couldn't even find george zimmerman's prints. >> the public psyche -- it's interesting with fingerprints. it's not a science, it's a technique. and it's fascinating how the public comes to accept it like science like dna. it's done by nonscientists and it's not a science. >> fingerprints are a very good

form of identity. >> compared to dna? they're never going to be -- they are a technique, they're not even a science, jeff. it is done by nonscientists and it is a nonscience. sit a technique. >> the idea that fingerprints are somehow not good identification techniques is frankly absurd. but the point is -- >> really? jeff, why don't you site the case of the lawyer in oregon who was indicted as a terrorist based on the fbi's fingerprint analysis. >> yeah, mark. and you site the tens of thousands of people who are in prison because of finger prints. >> only because they didn't have an expert. >> let me finish. what i'm trying to say is, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

if there's not fingerprints, it doesn't mean he didn'tgerprints don't show up. the fact that it's not on the gun is of very little significance. if they were on the gun, it would be of significance. >> was george zimmerman's fingerprints found on the gun? >> no, they found no usable fingerprints. >> well, that must mean that george zimmerman didn't fire the gun, because there were no fingerprints. there you go, sunny. the case is not over, you're right. >> we're going to take a break. we've got a lot more to talk about, including the decision to bring a second degree murder charge and whether or not the jury can convict on lesser charges. and key testimony whether the lead investigator thinks that zimmerman racially profiled trayvon martin. and we'll talk to defense attorney mark o'mara.

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whatever you think of george zimmerman's guilt or innocence, you can't help but notice the anguish on the face of trayvon martin's parents. they have to trust the prosecutor to do the best job they can. it hasn't been easy for the family and can't be easy for the lawyers, watching the state seem to struggle with the witnesses and perhaps with the case itself. i spoke about it earlier with the martin family attorney. how do you think the prosecution has done so far? i've talked to a lot of analysts who think they are having a tough time proving second degree murder at there point. i think the prosecution has done exceptionally well in this case. from the beginning, they told us they were going to show

zimmerman's tangled web of lies. >> i don't know anybody, though, who thinks detective serino was a strong witness for the prosecution. just about everybody discussing this case has said that they have never seen a police officer testify so favorably for the defense. a police officer that's been called by the prosecution. sltz i think what we also have to remember is that detective serino, whether or not this information gets to the jury, it's important for the american people to know that he recommended manslaughter charges for george zimmerman. >> what does that tell you? >> there were a lot of inconsistencies in george zimmerman's story and he did not find george zimmerman's version of what happened credible. and we've heard him say that today. and we have to remember that we can't consider his statement and testimony in a vacuum. we have to compare it with what we hear the other witnesses say to uncover george zimmerman's inconsils ten sis. >> the fact that he himself did

not think that a second degree murder charge was warranted, doesn't that also tell you that given his look at the evidence, he actually thought that, as he's testified on the stand, that zimmerman was pretty credible in the things he said, that his story actually held up? >> not at all. because he said he was also in the initial stages of his investigation and it was pointed out today that detective serino had not considered all the evidence that the state attorney's office has considered. >> trayvon martin's parents have been to court every day, sometimes been quite emotional. how are they doing at this point? are they confident with the prosecution's case thus far? >> they're confident with the prosecution's case. it's been very emotionally toiling time for them. i think to have to hear their son crying for help repeatedly, that's a different kind of pain. hearing your child scream for help and not be able to help

him. >> i want to go back to the police officer's testimony. there was a lot of talk yesterday, even some suggestion that perhaps their testimony, because it was in a lot of people's opinions, clearly not yours, but so favorable to the defense that this was payback for law enforcement and prosecution. >> i didn't perceive it that way. i think that's all speculation. i think we are going to see the prosecution bring the tangled web of lies home during the closing. >> but you talk about a tangled we believe of lies, but that's not what the police themselves were saying. the police who investigated this. in cross-examination by mark o'mara, it seemed pretty clear that the police officers felt like george zimmerman's statements basically held up. there were a few minor inconsistencies he said that trayvon martin came out of the bushes, the location of trayvon martin's hands, et cetera. but overall, the police seemed

relatively satisfied with what george zimmerman told them time and time again. >> i think that these were not minor inconsistencies. some of the big ones were george zimmerman claiming he was so severely injured that he had to pull out a gun and kill trayvon. that's not what we heard from detective serino. he said he didn't believe george zimmerman walls punched 25 or 30 times. the medical examiner said it's more consistent with someone punched only once and had his head hit on the concrete only one time, as well. >> jasmine rand, thank you. >> thank you. >> now the other side. mark o'mara joins us and spoke with me earlier tonight. mark, this morning judge nelson threw out an exchange between you and the lead investigator, chris serino, that took place yesterday in court and i want to

play that for the viewers. >> if we were to take pathological liar off the table as a possibility just for the purples of this next question, do you think he was telling the truth? >> yes. >> how important was that answer to your case? >> well, you know, i respect the judge's ruling, but i think that an investigating officer in a case, when he has to determine credibility of witnesses, including the suspect, i think he should be able to give insight as to what he thinks when he's doing his investigation. but it was sort of a comment on the credibility of another witness, and we have a rule that addresses that. >> i talked to an attorney for the martin family who said they were pleased with the testimony given by the lead investigator. but every other analyst that i have talked to, former prosecutors, defense attorneys, they say they've never seen police officers testifying so favorably for a defense witness. are you pleased with how the cross-examination has gone, with

what the police, particularly the lead investigator have told you? >> we're very happy about most of the witnesses we have talked about told the truth. if they told the truth and it's favorable to the defense, so be it. i'm surprised that the martin family attorneys would think that chris serino's testimony walls somewhat favorable to the prosecution, because it truly seemed as though most of what he was saying supported self-defense. >> tomorrow morning, judge nelson is expected to rule on whether or not george zimmerman's criminal course work, if it can be admissible. i know you don't think it should believe. why not? >> if they start bringing journal's past into the table, it brings what trayvon martin brings to the table, all of his violent acts and fights. if that's not going to be on the table, i think what george has done in the past shouldn't be on

the table, as well. he didn't get a great grade in the course either. it was textbook that had information with nothing to do with florida law. >> there have been inconsistencies in statements that george zimmerman has given. he talked about the positions of trayvon martin's hands and other things. to you, are those inconsequential? >> whether or not he came out of the bushes or darkness, i don't think that someby who went through a traumatic event is going to be expected to remember everything the best he can. so i'm not worried about that type of inconsistency. the idea that george held his hands out for ten seconds is quite significant. trayvon martin easily just brought his hands back in.

even john good suggested that trayvon martin was clutching his hands. why would george make something like that up unless it happened? >> it seems the trial is moving fairly quickly. is the time line going faster than you expected or about what you expected it to be? >> it's faster than i expected. i think the state may be done tomorrow or friday. that means we'll start here friday or monday and we'll probably take most of next week. maybe not. there are still some decisions the court has to make about the admissibility of certain evidence. if that's allowed, that could extend the testimony by two or three days. >> how is your client feeling? >> he's still very afraid. the state of florida is trying to take away his liberty in prison the rest of his life. he's very worried and stressed. he's glad he has his day in

court. but this is very real to everyone, most importantly george zimmerman. we have the state of florida suggesting that he killed trayvon martin in some ill will and hatred when the evidence supports self-defense. >> your client has been able to give his version of events without being cross examined. you can't see putting him on the stand, can you, at this point? >> i always make that decision -- the first decision point is whether or not i believe the state has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. if i think they have, then i take into consideration whether or not to put any client on the stand. i make that dynamically. i've not gotten to the point where i have convinced myself where the state has done what they need to do to get to a jury. i may revisit that decision. >> at this point, do you see having to mount a lengthy defense here? >> we have a lot of witnesses that we want to present to the jury to let -- to counter some

of the things put out there by the state. >> mark o'mara, thank you. follow more on this story at cnn.com. just ahead, we get our panel's reaction. also, the lead investigator's testimony about george zimmerman's call to police just minutes before he shot and killed trayvon martin.

tomorrow the judge is expected to rule on whether george zimmerman's criminal justice course work is admissible.

before the break, we heard from the attorney that talked about the testimony from chris sereno, the lead investigator. i want to get our panel's reaction. back with me is sunny hosten, jeffrey toobin, danny savalos and mark geragos. mark, you just heard marks o'mara say the fact that zimmerman's past is likely going to be brought up open tls door for the defense to bring up trayvon martin's past. but trayvon martin isn't on trial, is he? >> he isn't, but you have a self-defense case and the law is that he can bring that stuff up. having said that, i think mark was crossing his fingers behind his back when he was saying a lot of this stuff. for the life of me, i can't understand why he would prolong this case after the prosecution rests. he has absolutely said, he just

needs to hire bodyguards to make sure he doesn't fall on his head before the closing argument, because this case is over. >> jeff toobin, you don't see this going into next week? >> mark was saying it's over and he's going to be acquitted. i'm saying it's almost over in the sense that it will go to the jury. the defense doesn't really need to put on evidence here. this whole business of his course work, why is that relevant under any theory? i just think -- just talk about stretching, putting in irrelevant evidence. course work that he may or may not have been present or or assignments that would have prompted him to do what? >> sunny, do you think it's relevant? >> absolutely it's relevant. yeah, the judge does agree with me. i think the law provides for it. bottom line, george zimmerman

said many times that he didn't know the law, he didn't know anything about self-defense, he didn't know anything about stand your ground. if you were in school for 149 hours, learning about criminal justice and the system and you wanted to be a cop and you even applied to be a police officer, i think all of that is relevant, because the prosecution has to prove what's going on in his head. so it's relevant. >> sunny, sunny -- >> i know you're going disagree with me mark, but you're wrong. >> i know, i know, but sunny, when that prosecutor today -- >> this is like your third question, mark. >> when he asked the lead detective do you read the comics and he said no, he said do you remember when in the comics they had that little bubble over their head, seriously, didn't you cringe? didn't you think at that point, this prosecutor has basically lost his mind? because i suspect they're just throwing the case. >> oh, come on, mark. these ridiculous.

i think they're throwing the case. >> that's absurd. sunny, what i don't understand is, what does it prove if he took these courses and he knew what self-defense was? everybody knows what self-defense is. i just don't know the relevance. >> it proves that he lies. it proves that he can embellish. >> he said to sean hannity he didn't know about it. >> he may have been a bad student. >> if you considered me not credible or even untruthful because i couldn't remember some things i learned in school, then i'm the least credible person in america, because i don't know if i remember anything. >> i don't remember what i did yesterday. >> right. >> are you kidding me? i want to check out toobin's college career. i want to know what toobin was doing in college.

>> i think he did well. i want to turn to the continued testimony today of the lead investigator, chris serino. the prosecution was trying to drill down on ill will and spite on zimmerman with his call to police. listen to this. >> come straight in, don't turn left. he's running. >> which way is he running? >> down towards -- [ inaudible ] >> what entrance is he heading towarding? >> the back entrabs. >> did you hear that last comment, these [ bleep ] punks? >> yes, sir. >> is the toward, pardon the language, [ bleep ] punks something you would refer good about people when you would reference snem >> no, it's not. >> does that not indicate ill

will and hatred towards somebody? >> no, it does not. >> calling somebody [ bleep ] punks? >> that is ill will and spite. >> it is? >> yes. >> sunny, the prosecution is trying to get to the heart of the second degree murder charge here, right? >> that's right. i thought, you know, bernie's redirect examination of this witness who is kind of a hostile witness to the prosecution, was masterful. the prosecution has to show that zimmerman had a depraved mind. how do you show that? that he had hatred and spite. now you've got the chief investigator who just yesterday was, i don't know, if the defense's pocket of saying actually, yeah, it is ill will and hate and spite. that gives the prosecution enough to go to the jury with second degree murder. that is evidence of ill will. so i think, you know, this was a huge victory for the prosecution today. huge. >> mark is being sarcastic. >> huge! sunny, what planet are you on? it may get them past -- it may

get them past the judge throwing this case out. but i'm telling you, i think -- >> aboth sides are right here. it comes down to ill will. you see mark o'mara, cramming in that language from the statute. now you see the prosecutor doing a terrific job of bringing the jury back, quaubling over that ill will. so the case will go to the jury on at least that issue. that's what this is going to come down to. do we believe calling people blanking punks, can that general anger toward a class of people burglarizing the neighborhood, be transferred to this unknown individual wandering through the neighborhood? that's the ultimate question that will have to be decided. >> anderson, anderson?

>> yes? >> look, if this judge -- if this judge actually did her job, she would say there is no enough evidence to put this case in front of the jury. >> that's not true. >> i'm just telling you, right now absolutely she could say there isn't enough. i'm going to dismiss it right now. so maybe -- >> no. >> -- that kind of bozo the clown prosecutor gets them past that, but that's it. then it goes to the jury. it's a not guilty, save the tape and you're going to be, i think, sunny, pay off the bet. >> i can't wait to save the tape. >> doctor, the lead investigator was asked about the injuries, about zimmerman's alleged assault. i want to -- he was questioned about the injuries. i want to play what he said. >> i think on cross-examination, you were asked something about

exaggeration. do you recall being asked about that? >> yes, sir. >> do you recall i think either you uttered it or mr. o'mara uttered it on behalf of the defendant, exaggeration, do you recall what that was about? >> pertaining to the defendant's statements. >> you felt he was exaggerating certain parts of it? >> among other things. >> you were asked specifically about exaggeration. did you feel he had exaggerated the manner in which he had been hit? >> yels. >> from what you've seen, do you think he was exaggerating? >> i don't. you have to put yourself in the moment. there's fistacuffs. there's a lot of slamming and hitting, smashed in the face. the head is smashed against the ground. you act by reflex, by pure emotion. i'm getting killed, i've got to save myself. we're sitting here and trying to

analyze step by step what was he thinking, did he remember the statute? is it stand alone? we're trying to analyze step by step what happened is -- what happened in the matter of a few i cou seconds. >> your adrenaline is pumping so much, you don't think clearly. you eastern not perceiving things clearly, just in the limited experience i've had being punched. is that your understanding? >> that is my understanding. when you have your head smacked against the sidewalk, i think it's a very dangerous situation and i think he feared for his life. >> it is. but it's also worth remembering that he didn't just take a wild swing back at trayvon martin. he shot him dead. >> right. >> and that's very different. and i think we should, and the law does impose a higher standard on people before they shoot people than they take a swing at them. >> i don't think the prosecution -- i don't think this case has gone well for the prosecution, but it is worth

remembering that this is a case about someone -- an unarmed kid who was shot dead. >> but the important element is he said that trayvon martin was going for his gun. it wasn't a matter of swinging back. that was a deadly switchuation. >> more of our man coming up. and more on what george zimmerman's best friend said on the stand today. we'll be right back. when you experience something great, you want to share it. with everyone. that's why more customers recommend verizon, america's largest 4g lte network.

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a lot of testimony today on the weapon that george zimmerman fired. earlier, let's listen to the testimony. >> so during this conversation

then, he's telling you that he's trying to keep an eye on trayvon martin however he can. >> that was his intent was to keep him under observation. >> and at some point -- tell me then, at some point did he say to you i couldn't see him any longer or he lost sight of him? >> that's one of the reasons he got out of the vehicle. >> tell me how he related that to you. >> he said he went in between the town homes down the walking path. he lost contact in the darkness in between the town homes, and then he got out of his vehicle to -- it may have been at the time when someone was asking him where is your exact location, because the officer was getting close. so as the police officer gets closer and closer to the actual scene, the dispatch likes to tell them exact street house and street numbers so you can find

your place exactly. >> we played the wrong sound bite. but the importance of that sound bite is the prosecution is trying to establish inconsistencies in george zimmerman's story. there had been reports of zimmerman trying to get out of the vehicle to check a building number. why is that so important? >> what an interesting witness. because osterman is the prosecution's witness but he's been in law enforcement for a number of years. you watch him. he may have had a little trouble with the sweating, which i guess you can forgive. otherwise, law enforcement, police officers, people in law enforcement are trained testifiers. you can see that when he's testifying. he turns and talks to the jury and he talks about how what zimmerman did dove tailed right in nicely with police practise. he's validating zimmerman. >> and the point you wanted to make earlier is that he said that he was the one who told zimmerman to get a gun. why is that so crucial? >> baultz i think for many people watching this case, there

are many people that are not concealed carry people. they don't have a weapon or a firearm. to them the question is, what was this guy doing running around carrying a gun? it's not something that is in my world. now consider what osterman offers. he's in law enforcement and he considers george zimmerman to be his best friend, that humanizes george zimmerman. why does george zimmerman carry a gun? this gentleman who has been in law enforcement since 1992 told him unequivocally you could be carrying a gun. he validates and answers that question for a lot of us. >> he said everybody that is not a felon should carry. >> many people choose not to, but it begins to answer that question. >> jeff? >> yes, that's helpful. but why as a prosecutor would you call the defendant's best friend. why give him a forum to say what a great guy george zimmerman is? plus, why play the tape --

>> because they're throwing the case. >> oh, stop. >> they're throwing the case. >> why would they be throwing the case? >> can i tell you why? i really -- i know jeff, i know you don't believe this. i honestly believe at this point, after watching the cops, after catching the comes do payback and everything else, i really think, and watching the prosecution sit there when mark o'mara asks questions that are beyond a reasonable doubt objectionable and they don't object, they wait until the following day, i think they've just decided they're going to phone this in, they're going to lose this and say, you guys wanted us to file this case, we filed it. >> jeff, jeff, go ahead. >> meanwhile, back on planet earth, the idea -- >> oh, my gosh. why would the prosecutor --

mark, let me finish. again, why would the prosecutors put on the sean hannity fox news interview with zimmerman? again, a very sympathetic portrayal. >> you just proved my point! >> let sunny talk. >> it makes perfect sense, because putting a case together like this is like putting a puzzle together without having the picture on the box. so the prosecutor needs to put all the pieces together so they can overlay all the statements -- >> it's like putting a puzzle together -- >> so that the picture comes together. that's what they're doing. it makes perfect sense. >> we've got to go. it's taken me 20 minutes to figure out who was whistling. i've never heard a guest just whistling. thank you very much. big news tonight out of egypt, where the death toll is climbing, the clock is ticking down to a deadline. we'll take you there next.

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key provision of the affordable care act. penalties will now begin in 2015. business owners had expressed concerns about the complexity of the reporting requirements. edward snowden's options for asylum are shrinking. 11 of the 21 countries he's applied to said they can't consider his request until he shows up at one of their embassies. three have said no outright. venezuela has signaled they might give him asylum. and dennis rodman told "sports illustrated" he deserves to win a nobel peace prize for his outreach efforts to north korea. we shall see. >> humble as always. thank you very much. that dose it for this special edition of "360." join us again tomorrow night for more on the george zimmerman trial. another edition of "360" coming up next. "i'm part of an american success story,"

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good evening. you saw it with your own eyes, george zimmerman's bleeding scalp and bloody nose. the big question, were those injuries life threatening? were they even serious? the medical examiner weighs in and experts weigh in tonight. also, in the hour ahead a "360" exclusive, mark o'mara joins me talking about his cross-examination in response to some of the questions the prosecution is raising about his client's credibility. later, a story of survival from the arizona inferno, how a single member of the elite team of firefighting hot shots made it out alive when 19 others did not. we begin with the zimmerman trial and a key day for the prosecution. try to knock down the notion that george zimmerman fired the shot that killed martin in self-defense. during a life and death struggle and not a garden variety brawl.