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good evening. you saw it with your own eyes, george zimmerman's bleeding scalp and bloody nose. the big question, were those injuries life threatening? were they even serious? the medical examiner weighs in and experts weigh in tonight. also, in the hour ahead a "360" exclusive, mark o'mara joins me talking about his cross-examination in response to some of the questions the prosecution is raising about his client's credibility. later, a story of survival from the arizona inferno, how a single member of the elite team of firefighting hot shots made it out alive when 19 others did not. we begin with the zimmerman trial and a key day for the prosecution. try to knock down the notion that george zimmerman fired the shot that killed martin in self-defense. during a life and death struggle and not a garden variety brawl. central to that prosecution
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efforts, refuting the claims trayvon martin repeatedly slammed his head into the sidewalk. our own forensic experts weighs in but first martin savidge has that. >> reporter: prosecutors switch from using zimmerman's words against him to using his injuries. >> are the injuries to the back of the defendant's head consistent of having been repeatedly slammed into a concrete surface? >> no. >> reporter: the medical examiner testified zimmerman's wounds were not life threatening and didn't reflect a person whose head has been repeatedly slammed against the ground. the key reason zimmerman gave for shooting trayvon martin. >> how would you classified the injuries to the defendant's head? >> they were not life threatening. they were very insignificant. they did not require any sutures to be applied to mr. zimmerman. so i would refer to them as insignificant injuries. >> reporter: on cross-examination, the defense
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attorney implied she owed her job to the special prosecutor in the zimmerman case, and then walked her back from some of her findings. >> it's your position at least consistent that george zimmerman may have only received as little as three -- did you call -- what term did you use? smashing? >> sir? >> slamming, three slamming into cement. >> i didn't use the word slamming. >> i'm sorry, i thought it was your word. >> no, i got that from the reenactment. >> what would you use to describe what happened to the head that you say hit cement? >> impact. >> impact. so it's your position that there are at least three impacts between that head and cement? >> yes. >> okay. >> concrete. >> reporter: earlier, zimmerman's best friend took the stand. it was he who first convinced zimmerman to buy a gun and housed zimmerman and shelley after the shooting and wrote a book about the case. >> you wrote a book and were you
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quoted what the defendant george zimmerman told you, correct? >> correct. >> and do you recall writing, do you have a problem with that? that's what he said trayvon martin said? >> right, correct. >> reporter: he said martin tried to reach for the weapon on his hip, actually touching the gun. >> the defendant is claiming that the victim actually grabbed the gun, correct? >> that was my understanding, that he grabbed the gun. >> reporter: but a print technician found no trace of his prints on the slide of the gun but conceded rain or other factors could wash prints away. >> so that fingerprints may have existed on an item that you would lift a latent from and there wouldn't be any, correct? >> that's correct. >> even though the gun has been handled by one, two or three people? >> that's correct. >> reporter: and said zimmerman jumped on the teen's back fearing martin might be a threat, but investigators say
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the teen's hands were found folded under his body. >> do you recall in that photograph the victim's hands being underneath his body? >> yes, sir, yes, sir. >> did someone say that was inconsistent with the defendant's statements that his hands were straight out and he put his hands out? >> that positioning, yes. >> reporter: the day began with the jury being told to ignore a key moment of monday's testimony. >> in terms of the truth and veracity of the defendant said or didn't say. >> reporter: when o'mara got the lead investigator to say he believed zimmerman told him the truth. marten save edge, cnn, sanford, florida. >> a lot to get to tonight. let's start with the medical evidence. joining us tonight is forensic scientist lawrence kokalinski. also, sunny hostin and jeffrey toobin and defense attorney mark geragos.
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lawrence, we just heard the medical examiner said that zimmerman's wounds were not significant. you disagree with that? >> i think first of all, she's judging based on a photograph. she didn't examine george zimmerman and it is true that the wounds appear to be superficial. however, she's not a neurologist. if she was actually a practitioner taking care of human beings, she probably would have asked for radiographic evidence there wasn't some underlying trama to the brain, maybe a hematoma. it appears to be superficial but it doesn't take away from the fact he was slammed or pushed, shoved up against the sidewalk and sustained injury and it -- to him, it felt like he was -- his life was in jeopardy. i think that's a possibility. >> sunny, zimmerman said several times he was repeatedly slammed on the concrete by trayvon martin. medical examine disagrees. i want to listen to more of what she said today.
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>> dr. rao, using your definition of slamming, your common understanding of slamming, are the injuries to the back of the defendant's head consistent with having been repeatedly slammed into a concrete surface? >> no. >> why not? >> because if you look at the injuries, they are so minor that to me, the word slam implies great force and this -- the resulting injuries are not great force. >> what type and extent of injuries would you expect to see if the defendant's head had been repeatedly slammed into a concrete surface? >> so if somebody's head is repeatedly slammed against concrete with great force, i would expect lacerations. i would expect a lot of injury that would bleed profusely that would necessitate suturing. and i don't see that in this picture. >> sunny, do you think her testimony was a clear win for the prosecution?
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>> absolutely. i mean, this information is so important, anderson, to the prosecution because george zimmerman is saying that he was in imminent threat of death or feared great bodily injury. well, they have to prove that, that that isn't true, and if they can prove that those injuries were insignificant, that an objective person wouldn't feel they were in imminent threat of death or great bodily injury, and if the jury believes that, then his self-defense claim is on shaky grounds. so this evidence is extremely important. >> are you saying you can't tell based on those photos, the medical examiner examining from the photos, whether or not those were enough lacerations to explain being slammed multiple times? >> i think you can actually take a fall, bang your head against the sidewalk, and come down with this kind of hematoma situation. i think it -- certainly, the
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wounds appear to be superficial, but that doesn't mean there isn't some underlying trama more serious -- >> but if your head is slammed repeatedly on a sidewalk, wouldn't you have more lacerations as the medical examiner said? >> not necessarily. while your head is being slammed, you're trying to push up against it, i'm not convinced that -- that what she is saying, her observation negates what george zimmerman is claiming. >> i want to bring in mark and jeff. mark, from a defense standpoint, how do you think the prosecution did today? you would argue -- you've been critical of the prosecution making their case thus far, how do you think they did today? >> let me just tell you something. larry has hit this and being circumspect because this is almost silly. there are prosecutors all throughout this country who would take those exact injuries and are charging people with assault with a deadly weapon with great bodily injury in courtrooms across this country.
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that's what i said about this case. they turned the law in the courtroom on it's head. this is like a defense witness who looks at a photograph and says, well i wasn't there but i'm opining it wasn't a very big -- or a large impact. it's non-sense. i defended cases where my clients are charged with murder for one hit, hitting the sidewalk and the person dies with infinitely less photographic evidence than what we have here. this is non-sense. if i didn't know better, i would think the prosecution is throwing this case and they really don't want to win it because so far, i haven't seen anything that makes sense to me for a murder prosecution. >> i think it's -- it struck me of more of a wash because especially on cross-examination. this medical examiner said yes, it could have been repeated strikes. yes, it could have been multiple punches from trayvon martin. yes, it could have been several hits against the sidewalk, so she didn't know what happened.
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so i just don't think the jury can conclude much of anything based on her testimony. >> but jeff, jeff, isn't a wash in a criminal case where the prosecution is trying to prove the case? i always say, the tie goes to the runner, the tie goes at the defendant. this is more like defense evidence. it's not what prosecutors are doing in normal criminal courtrooms. i mean, it really is abysmal, this prosecution. >> i think you're exaggerating -- i think you're exaggerating it was that bad. >> i'm telling you based on my -- >> i want to talk more about this forensic evidence. the testimony by the latent print examiner, i haven't heard that title before. does it really mean anything, that latent prints were not found on the gun? because the alleged friend of george zimmerman are saying that zimmerman told him and he wrote in his book that trayvon martin tried to reach for the gun. wouldn't there be prints on that gun? >> first of all, the answer to that question is no.
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generally speaking, guns are not good media to recover latent prints. in fact, even george zimmerman's prints were not recovers. it was raining and rain could cause problems for the latent print examiner. i think the reason that that expert had to be brought on is because jurors expect science in a case like this. they really want to see what science can do, and apparently, science can't do very much with this situation. i think it was a total wash. i didn't tell us anything one way or the other. later with the clock ticking in egypt, counting down to a possible military coup. the protest has turned deadly. president obama has gotten involved. a late update from the scene of this potentially explosive crisis when we continue. i would say my car. probably the car. cause as you get older you start breaking down. i love my car. i want to take care of it. i have a bad wheel - i must say.
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whatever you think of george zimmerman's guilt or innocence, you can't help to notice the anguish on martins' parents face. in addition to facing the man who killed their son, they have to trust that prosecutors are doing the best job they can. it has not been easy for the family obviously. can't be easy for the lawyers representing them, watching the state seem to struggle with some of the witnesses and perhaps with the case itself. i want to talk that over with martin family attorney jasmine rand. how do you think the prosecution has done so far? i've talked to a lot of analysts who think that they are having a tough time proving second degree murder at this point. >> i think the prosecution has done exceptionally well in this case. from the beginning, they told us they are going to show us zimmerman's tangled web of lies.
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detective serino was a strong witness for the prosecution's case. >> i don't know anybody, though, who thinks that detective serino was a strong witness for the prosecution. just about everybody who has been discussing this case, certainly on my program and elsewhere, have said they never have seen a police officer testify so favorably for the defense, a police officer that's been called by the prosecution. >> i think what we also have to remember is that detective serino, whether or not this information get tols the jury, it's important for the american people to know, he recommended manslaughter charges for george zimmerman. >> what does that tell you? >> that tells me there were a lot of inconsistencies in george zimmerman's story and he did not find george zimmerman's version of what happened credible. we heard him say that today. we have to remember we can't consider detective serino's statement and testimony in a vacuum. we have to compare it with what we hear the other witnesses say to uncover george zimmerman's
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inconsistencies. >> but the fact that the detective did not think that a second degree murder charge was warranted, doesn't that also tell you that given his look at the evidence, he actually thought that, as he's testified on the stand, that zimmerman walls pretty credible in the things that he said, that his story actually held up? >> no, not at all. he said he was in the initial stages of his investigation, and the other witness pointed out today that detective serino had not considered all of the evidence that the jacksonville state attorney's office has now considered. >> trayvon martin's parents obviously have been in the court every day. they've sometimes been quite emotional. how are they doing at this point? are they confident with the prosecution's case thus far? >> they're confident with the prosecution's case. it's been very -- an emotionally toiling time for them. i think to have to hear their son crying for help, that's a different kind of pain. hearing your child scream for
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help and not be able to do anything to help them. >> there was a lot of talk yesterday, even some suggestion that perhaps their testimony, because it was in a lot of people's opinions, so favorable to the defense, that this was payback for difficulties between the law enforcement and the prosecution. >> you know, the i didn't perceive it that way. i think that's all pure speculation, and i think that we are going to see the prosecution bring this tangled web of lies home during the closing. >> you talk about a tangled web of lies, by that's not what the police themselves were saying. the police who investigated this. in cross-examination by mark o'mara, it seemed pretty clear that the police officers felt like george zimmerman's statements basically held up. there were a few minor inconsistencies coming out he said that trayvon martin came out of the bushels, the location of trayvon martin's hands, et cetera. but overall, the police seemed
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relatively satisfied with what george zimmerman had told them time and time again. >> i think that these were not minor inconsistencies. some of the big inconsistencies were george zimmerman claiming that he was so severely injured that he had to pull out a gun and kill trayvon. the detective said he didn't believe george zimmerman was punched 25 to 30 times. the medical examiner said the injuries are not consistent with someone who has been punched what over a dozen times. at maximum had his head hit on the concrete one time, swem. so all of these witnesses are bringing in to play zimmerman's inconsistencies. >> jasmine rand, appreciate your time. thank you. we try to present all sides. joining us once again tonight, zimmerman defense co-counsel mark o'mara. this morning, the judge threw out an exchange between you and the lead investigator that took place yesterday.
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i just want to play that for you viewers. >> so if we were to take pathological liar off the table as a possibility just for the purples of this next question, do you think he was telling the truth? >> yes. >> how important was that answer to your question? >> you know, i respect the judge's ruling, but i think a chief investigating officer in a case, when he has to try and determine credibility of witnesses, including the defendant, the suspect, i think he should be able to give some insight to what he this when he's doing his investigation. but it was a comment on the credibility of another witness, and we have a rule that addresses that. >> i talked to an attorney with the martin family who said they were pleased with the testimony given by the lead investigator. but every other analyst that i have talked to, former prosecutors, defense people, they all say they have never seen police officers testifying so favorably for a defense witness. are you pleased with how the
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cross-examination has gone, with what the police, particularly the lead investigator have told you? >> we're very happy with it, as long as they're telling the truth, we'll find justice at the end of the trial. i'm surprised that the martin family attorneys would think that chris serino's testimony was favorable to the prosecution. it seemed most of what he was saying supported self-defense. >> tomorrow morning, the judge expected to rule on whether or not george zimmerman's criminal justice course work, if it can be admissible. i know you don't think it should be. why not? >> well, a couple reasons. if they start bringing what was in george's background, his past to the table, then it brings what trayvon martin brings to the table, all of his violent acts we know about and the fighting he was involved in. if that's not going to get on
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the table, whatever george has done in the past shouldn't be on the table, as well. and to suggest george heard something about stand your ground in course work, and he didn't get a great grade in the course, either. it was some textbook that has nothing to do with florida law. >> there have been some inconsistencies with the statements that george zimmerman has given. to you, are those not consequential? >> certainly whether or not he came out of bushes or came out of the darkness, i don't think that somebody who went through the traumatic event that george did expected to remember everything the best he can. so i'm not too worried about that type of inconsistency. the idea that george held his hands out for five or ten seconds, i think it's consistent with the facts and the medical
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examines will talk about it, that trayvon martin brought his hands back in. it was suggested that trayvon martin was clutching his hands. why would george make something like that up in the second that he had to do it unless it actually happened? it made much more sense that it happened. >> it seems the trial is moving quickly. is the timeline going faster than you expected or about what you expected it to be? >> it's faster than i expected. i think the state may be done tomorrow or friday, and that means we'll start either friday or monday and we'll probably take most of next week, hard to say, maybe not. there are still some decisions the court has to make about the admissibility of certain evidence. if that's allowed, that can extend the testimony by two or three days. >> how is your client feeling about how the trial is zbhog >> he's still afraid? the state of florida is trying to take away his liberty. he's had to live in hiding for a year. he's very stressed.
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he's glad he finally has his day in court, but this is very real to everyone, most importantly to george zimmerman. we have the state of florida trying to suggest that he killed trayvon martin in some ill will and hatred, when the evidence supports self-defense. >> because of these audio and videotapes of your client talking to police, he's been able to essentially give his version of events without being cross examined. you cannot see at this point putting george zimmerman on the stand, can you? >> i always make that decision. the first decision point is whether or not i believe the state has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. if i think they have, then i may take into consideration whether or not to put any client on the stand. i make that dynamically. i've not gotten to the point where i convinced myself that the state has done what they need to do to get this case to a jury. if they come up with something in the next day or two, i may revisit that decision. >> at this point, do you see having to mount a lengthy defense here? >> we have a lot of witnesses that we want to present to the
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jury to counter some of the things thrown out there by the state. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> sure thing. for more on the story, go to cnn.com. up next, we'll learn about the type of gun that george zimmerman used when he shot and killed trayvon martin. also ahead, we remember the hero firefighters who gave their lives protecting the people of arizona, including two cousins who perished doing what they love to do. also the latest from egypt ahead. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better. ♪
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the program, george zimmerman's best friend took the stand today, testifying as a prosecution witness. mark osterman. he's worked in law enforcement for two decades and convinced zimmerman to purchase a gun. here's part of his testimony. >> it was actually you who assisted him when he decided that he needed a firearm, correct? >> that is correct. >> and did he tell you the reason why he wanted to get a firearm? >> he -- he asked what would -- whether he should or shouldn't to start with. i recommended that he should. anybody that's not a convicted felon should carry a firearm. >> that's sort of your life philosophy. >> that's my opinion, correct. >> being armed instead of being not armed? >> police aren't always there. >> the type of gun that zimmerman purchased is easy to carry and conceal. osterman advised him to always carry it, so zimmerman had it with him the night he encountered david mattingly.
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more now on what we know about this type of gun. >> reporter: listen, if you're following the george zimmerman case, you probably heard this sound before. [ gunfire ] that's the sound of a shot from a pf-9 hand gun, just like the one caught on a 911 call the moment george zimmerman killed trayvon martin. >> there's gunshots. >> you just heard gunshots? >> yes. >> reporter: zimmerman carried the gun legally. but prosecutors seem to suggest he was doing more than that. >> it wasn't necessary for the defendant to rack it to load a round. it was ready to go. >> reporter: zimmerman walls carrying the gun with the bullet ready to fire. was this a sign he was planning to do harm when he encount eere trayvon martin? was he carrying it properly? >> properly if i was ready to
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defend myself, you bet. >> reporter: holt says this gun is designed strictly for personal protection. one of the cheaper guns on the market selling for between $300 and $400. made to be concealed, carried and ready to shoot. it's called carrying hot. you recommend to your students to carry this one hot? >> absolutely. >> reporter: that's because it comes with a safety feature. an extra long trigger pull that prevents accidental firing. but we also learned watching this trained marksman that's not all it does. >> you missed. >> reporter: it's not a real accurate gun. >> reporter: it's only effective in close quarters. something else noted by prosecutors. have you ever heard a prosecutor raise these points before? >> no, i have not. >> reporter: state attorneys could be targeting specific jurors by trying to use the features of zimmerman's own gun against him. >> i think amongst those people familiar with firearms, that
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line of argument would be totally unpersuasive. but to swunl someone unsophisticated in the use of jurors, could be risky. >> reporter: the hand guns are popular in this part of florida. the home office is only about 60 miles away from where george zimmerman used to live. we contacted them for information on the pf-9. they did not reply. david mattingly, cnn, sanford, florida. >> that's one of the things we'll be watching, how the prosecution tries to use those facts. now to a "360" bull lynn. susan? >> the obama administration is postponing a key provision of the affordable care act, the requirement that businesses provide workers with health insurance will be delayed by one year. penalties will now begin by 2015. business owners expressed
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in arizona, hundreds of firefighters trying to get control of the deadliest wildfire in the state's history, the one that killed 19 members of the granite mountain hot shot es over the weekend. four military flames were flown in to help battle the flames, to drop water and fire retardant. we now know the name of the 20th hot shot who was on the burning mountain sunday, the only one to come out alive. he was serving as a lookout when his teammates were overtaken by the fire.
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4 so what do we know about brendan? i can't imagine what it's like for him to have survived the loss of 19 of his brothers. >> reporter: yeah, he's having a very, very tough time. he's telling people in his inner circle he's not speaking publicly about this. but on his father's facebook page, he posted the pictures that you're seeing, pictures of his son as a firefighter. his father writing, proud of you, son, glad you're alive. he's telling his friends that he's feeling guilty. he was assigned to a lookout position, separate from the rest of the crew. he was up in a higher position. he was watching the fire. the fire got too close to him. he had to move. he hit what's called a trigger point. as he was moving, he was radioing his crew, and at that point, then he lost contact with his crew. the fire department very clearly stating in a news conference just in the last couple of hours that he did exactly what he was
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supposed to do, that this was a weather event. extraordinary weather that the fire department is walking about that led to the deaths of these 19 firefighters. we spoke with a firefighter who came here to this memorial site. he fought fires with brendan and he says he cannot imagine what this man is going through. here's what he told us. >> it's going to be tough. he lost his crew, you know, and i don't know what to -- i couldn put myself in his shoes, i couldn't. i couldn't do it. release this statement through his fire department.
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>> reporter: he is telling friends, anderson, that this could take weeks, months. he's never going to forget about this. >> forecasters saying that winds would reach 80 miles per hour there. what's the latest on the actual fire? >> reporter: what i can tell you is that it is 0% contained. thunder clouds are behind me, the winds are very erratic. that's been the biggest problem with fighting this fire, and that's what they're looking at. but something we want to point out, anderson, is that for the very first time in that news conference, they did announce a shift, the firefighters are saying and overnight they're hoping to announce some progress. hoping very soon that they will say that they have made some sort of progress in knocking this fire down. >> let's hope so. we're learning more about the 19 young men who died. the people who knew and loved them and are now mourning them say they wouldn't want to be remembered as victims. they knew the dangers of their
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job and they'll be remembered as heroes as they could. one family lost two young men in the fire. gary tuchman now reports. >> reporter: robert caldwell was 23 years old. so proud to be a hot shot fireman. when he died, he was still a newlywed. claire is now his widow. >> he was an inspiration. he made me want to be a better personal. he was the best person i've ever met in my life. >> reporter: but the family's greefr doesn't end there. robert's first cousin, 21-year-old grant, was also killed in the fire. may hoffman is the grandmother of both young men. >> it's just really hard. it seems surreal. it seems like they're just going to come back.
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>> yeah, i just hope that i could wake up and it would be a really bad dream. >> reporter: there's so much pride for what grant and robert did to protect people. their relatives were always concerned when they didn't hear from them for hours on end while fighting fires. but family members flew they were doing what they loved. however, now the pain is so immenls. >> i had hoped that both of my boys had died with smoke inhalation, because i figured that would knock them out quick and they wouldn't know anything. then she told me yesterday that my daughter linda, robert's mother, that it's worse. i figured if you need dental records -- i guess they were burned. >> we don't know. >> reporter: you should take great comfort in the fact that your grandsons, your nephews,
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died heroes. that will always be their legacy. claire also says robert was her personal hero. >> he was the most beautiful, selfless, caring, selfless, he cared about people, everyone. he was so compassionate. his goal in life was to help people. and we talked about it all the time. we talked about if he died doing this. and he said that's how he wanted to die. >> reporter: claire has a 5-year-old son from before she met robert. she said robert loved him as much as she did. >> i don't want anyone to forget him. >> reporter: may hoffman says her husband, the grandpa, died not that long ago. a man who would be beyond proud of both of his grand children. >> i like to think that when
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they went to heaven, that he was there to greet them. and i like to think of that, i mean, i just imagine all that stuff, them seeing my mom, my dad, my husband. everybody when we all get to paradise. and i like to think that the boys are already in paradise. >> reporter: claire tells me that she and robert were married in november. they discussed him quitting the hot shots so he could spend more time at home. but she knew this job was so important to him and two weeks ago they went out to dinner together and she looked robert in the eyes and said you don't have to quit. you love this job too much. >> it's so devastating. we're trying to learn more about the 19 as the days go by. up next, more deadly violence in egypt. tonight, the embattled president is denying the ultimatum issued by the military with the clock ticking down. the latest from cairo, ahead.
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but for all these symptoms, you also take kaopectate. new kaopectate caplets -- soothing relief for all those symptoms. kaopectate. one and done. tonight, egypt's embattled president is saying he's willing to shed his own blood. the next 24 hours could be critical. he went on television, deninthly saying he's egypt's legitimate leader and won't bow to the military's ultimatum. the military has given him until tomorrow night to make changes in his government that will satisfy opposition demands. our -- protests today across egypt turned v ed ved violent, 11 people were killed. in alexandria, supporters
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attacked each other. bin laden wedeman is >> president morsi saying he has a map date and has no intention to leave. what is the reaction on the ground there? somewhat's going on? we heard a lot oh boos. people very unhappy. this was very much a speech to his base, and they will feel very reinvigorated. it's been a rough couple of days for the muslim brotherhood. but for the first time in egyptian history, an egyptian president basically standing up and against the army, the most
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powerful institution in this country. we don't know how the army is going to act, but it raises the temperature quite a lot. there have been clashes in cairo. seven people dead. this city is bracing for perhaps a very difficult night. anderson? >> ben, who are the people behind you in tahrir square? who are they? >> reporter: it's a mixture of people. let's not forget that 52% of the electorate, those who voted, voted for mohamed morsi in that election. that's why he won. but a lot of people were voting for him because they didn't want to vote for his opponent from the regime of hoseny mubarak. others are old regime loyalists. i'll tell you something, there aren't a lot of revolutionaries
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that we saw in this square 2 1/2 years ago. these are people who are disaffected with morsi. they're angry over their falling standards of living, electricity cuts, the rising crime in the streets of cairo. so it's a real mix of people. but definitely unhappiness is on the rise. one poll said 63% said they had seen their standard of living fall since president morsi came to power a year ago. >> if the army steps in and forces him from power, what happens then? essentially that's a military coup, isn't it? what would then occur? immediately that they would force morsi from power. he was in fact legitimately
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ele elected. the worry is how the united states would react if that were the case. so they may fudge a solution where he stays in power but they compel him one way or the other to bring in opposition figures to call for early elections, to redraft the constitution. there's a whole list of things that the army and people would like him to do, but what we heard tonight in his speech is he's not about to do it. >> how much longer is his term, how much longer is he supposed to serve? >> reporter: he's supposed to serve for three more years. and in his speech this evening, he yet again said i made mistakes and i will try to correct them. he promised to open up a dialogue with the opposition. but those were sort of the side bars of the speech.
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the main part of the speech, addressing his base. as you said, ready to shed his blood to defend the legitimacy of the office he was elected to a year ago. >> the u.s. is calling on morsi and the opposition to resolve this situation politically. does that seem possible at this point? >> reporter: well, you know, the clock is ticking, anderson. it's just about 14 hours until that deadline runs out. what we may be seeing with all this mobilization of both the opposition and the brotherhood supporters is sort of a card game, where they're throwing their cards on the table say thing is what we can mobilize. >> we'll be watching it. ben wedeman, thank you very much. coming up, the "ridicu-list." we'll be right back. ...the imm. [ ding! ] ...heart health... [ ding! ] ...and muscles. [ ding! ] that can only be ensure complete! [ female announcer ] the four-in-one nutrition of ensure complete. a simple choice to help you eat right. [ major nutrition ] nutrition in charge.
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"ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding anyone out there who may doubt that cher is awesome. that's right, america, hold on to your wigs, i'm launching a pre-empttive strike against any cher strikes because he's awesome. not because she's just a global icon that transenlds generations and back with a new single. she's awesome because she puts up with me and my borderline creepy behavior. i know cher, not in a singing doout of "i got you babe" but i know her because she was on andy cohen's show. >> oh, my gosh, it's our doorbell. come. in it's anderson cooper, everybody. hey! oh, my gosh. >> i literally returned down here. i got off the air at 11:00 and jumped in a car. i have to see cher. >> that's how awesome cher is,
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dressed more for a katie lang concert, and she was cool with it. so what did i do? did i calm down and sit there quietly like a normal person? no. >> i watched c-span a lot and used to call in to c-span. the anchor would be on the air and there would be a voice saying okay, we're talking calls. and it would be like, i'm calling from malibu. and they would be like, is this cher? >> yeah. i did my cher impression in front of cher. seriously, i do not know what is wrong with me. butly say in my own defense who else would have the nerve to do that? wolf blitzer. let it by known that i, anderson cooper, oh, man. man, nobody told me there would
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be a graphic. take that down, please. no, no! oh, man! but back to bravo the other night, even my terrible cher impression didn't turn cher against me. she didn't slap me across the face or snap me with her thong. but that wasn't my only bizarre moment unfortunately. >> my mom always wanted a girl, so she always called you her fantasy daughter. so i literally, when i was real young, thinking like, am i related to cher? is cher my sister? >> at that point, cher's security started to talk into their hands and motion toward me. i think she thought i was going to insist she love with me so i could braid her hair. so all you doubters out there, take note, please, god, don't show that graphic again. it's not just her talent and
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philanthropy, it's the fact that cher puts up with me, anderson cooper, creepy fan girl. that's what makes her so awesome and puts you on the "ridicu-list," if you're a who is the real george zimmerman? >> do you know a person named george zimmerman? >> very well. >> would you consider him a best friend? >> best friend i've ever had. >> part of the language [ bleep ] punks -- >> that is ill in spite? >> it is. casey anthony, the man in court with her joins me and divides america, issues of race, class, not trayvon martin, o.j. simpson was acquitted. have we not learned anything.