philanthropy, it's the fact that cher puts up with me, anderson cooper, creepy fan girl. that's what makes her so awesome and puts you on the "ridicu-list," if you're a doubter. that's it for us. thanks for watching. piers morgan starts now.

do you agree? >> i don't. first of all, you can bet on the fact that the defense will have a medical examiner that will contradict everything that we heard today. yes, these wounds appear to be superficial. that does not mean that george

suffered at the hands of 17-year-old trayvon martin. and the prosecution was trying to make plain here that the defendant's head consistent with we heard from the medical examiner, saying that zimmerman's wounds were not significant. do you agree? >> i don't. first of all, you can bet on the fact that the defense will have a medical examiner that will contradict everything that we insignificant and they certainly weren't life threatening. because in order for george

zimmerman to have used deadly force, the standard is reasonable. was it reasonable for him to >> you wrote a book where you quoted what the defendant, george zimmerman, told you, correct? >> correct. >> and you recall in that book writing, do you have a problem with that, that's what he said trayvon martin said? >> right.t 1200

>> it's unimaginable that this trial isn't about race. the question is, can the jurors make an objective determination, not from a place where they pretend race doesn't exist but a place where they can hold that

at arm's length and make a fair judgment. >> mark, we heard george zimmerman in his own words using phrases like a-holes, "f"-ing punks and so on. the one thing we haven't heard is any racial words. if you study his background, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he's been a serial racial profiler in that sense. you know, is it unfair to him? >> i don't think he is. there's no evidence that he's a serial racial profiler. george zimmerman seems to be somebody who self-deputizes, makes himself a law enforcement agent. when he saw a young, african-american male armed with nothing but skittles and a hoody, he saw that as dangerous. that is in and of itself a racial profile, which turned into a killing. that's the problem.

no, he shouldn't be let off the hook. whether it's legally guilty or not, we don't know yet. >> jayne weintraub, the question for you, if trayvon martin had been white, would george zimmerman have gone through all this trouble to follow him, report him and generally treat him like a criminal suspect? >> i think that he would have, piers. the reason i say that is based on who george zimmerman is. he's the wannabe cop. if he saw somebody in a hoody on a rainy night, he didn't see the skittles or anything in the person's hands. and i don't think it's about race. i think it's about what was in his mind at the time they came into contact with each other. sure, racial profiling, if that hand, is wrong, it's awful, it's a civil rights violation. but that's not what he is charged with. he's charged with second degree

murder. even the first speaker just now said, he doesn't think he's a serial racist. so he does have the hatred and ill will for a second degree murder conviction. >> i said it wasn't serial. i didn't say that it was serious. >> look, there is -- >> he said there's a dangerous guy, but there's not dangerous about a hoody or his -- >> the only people talking about race are the prosecution witnesses to evoke emotion. i was a former prosecutor, i was a prosecutor. the police determined after a full investigation that there wasn't sufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, which is what they need, to prove a case. so two weeks later, the prosecutor, getting i think outside pressure decided on her own to make the charge of murder. i believe that she succumbed to

the apparent pressure. remember that in florida we have a grand jury. she could have given this case to a grand jury, but she did not do that. she's an elected official and we have to put this all in perspective. >> let me jump in. do you accept, having said all this, that had george zimmerman simply stayed in his vehicle, he had already rung the authorities, they told him not to pursue trayvon martin. if he had just stayed where he was, the police had turned up, they would have established trayvon martin was unarmed and -- >> we wouldn't be here. nobody should be armed. >> exactly. so why should george zimmerman not be punished, ignoring the advice he was given, getting out of the vehicle, following trayvon martin, and then getting into an altercation, pulling out a gun and killing him in cold blood.

whether it's murder or not, doesn't there have to be -- >> because he didn't get out of his car to kill him. i don't think anyone should. as a parent of a 14 and 21-year-old, i look at this and what a tragedy. but i'm looking at it as a lawyer analyzing evidence. we don't make a moral judgment. >> what is the evidence? he wasn't going for a leisurely stroll. >> the state is trying to refute a case that they can't prove that. is what's going on here. >> no, that's not what is happening. the state is making a case, and the defense is attempting to refute it by saying it was self-defense. >> they're making a case, really? >> let me finish the thought before you disagree with it. the fact of the matter here is that george zimmerman got out of his car against police orders. >> that's not a crime.

excuse me, that is not a crime. >> you're absolutely right. >> the factor to consider is at the moment -- you want to talk about the law or morals? this isn't a court of public opinion. >> let me jump in. let me ask you this. you mentioned you had children. if this had been one of your kids when they're a bit older who had been killed in these circumstances, would you really have been happy that the person that did this walked away without any accountability whatsoever for effectively killing your child in cold blood? >> would i be happy? this is a tragedy. there's nobody that's not going to say this isn't an awful, horrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened. however, we have laws in this country, and we have laws that

keep us in check with one another. for example, let me tell you about a florida law that this jury will listen to when evaluating testimony, the police officer, valerie rao, and others, this is what the judge will tell this jury in weighing the evidence. did the witness have an opportunity to see and hear what they're testifying about? think about the witnesses that testified. did the witness have an interest in the outcome of the case? think about that. do you think rachel had an interest in the outcome of this case? i'm not saying it's a racial issue, it's a plain credibility issue. you have to examine what the law is. >> got to leave it there. thank you both very much indeed. this debate will keep going. there are aspects of this case that sound familiar to my next guest. he was a prosecutor in the o.j.

simpson case. you heard the debate there. it's impossible to talk about this case without it turning into a race debate. you had exactly the same thing in the o.j. case. what is your take on the zimmerman-trayvon case? >> i think it's a race case without question. it was made a race case and the defense played the race card when they introduced a statement made by trayvon when he referred to zimmerman as a cracker. so race is the case. >> how do you see it playing out? obviously florida has a particular set of laws which are pretty supportive of what george zimmerman did, if you believe his version of events. >> well, how do i see it playing out? >> yeah. >> i think this is a case for the defense to lose. i think the prosecution has an uphill battle. i'm not sure that i would have filed this case had i been the

prosecutor, whether there was political pressure to do so or not. we do have laws and rules. and the right to self-defense is a law that's existed in this country since the beginning. >> but we only have george zimmerman's word for it. >> true. >> that he was truly acting in self-defense. >> that's the problem. we only have george zimmerman's word. >> we can't hear from trayvon martin and the evidence of him getting out of the vehicle, ignoring the advice he was given to not follow him, all that stuff we know is true does not lend itself to a guy who is trying to avoid trouble. >> but it doesn't lend itself to murder either. the problem here is as you say, the only person that really knows what happened that can speak the truth, one would hope, is zimmerman. who has every reason not to be truthful. i think that as a prosecution picks away at his story and his prior statements, i think you

see that he has not been entirely honest in his description of what occurred. but all the defense has to do is raise reasonable doubt. the prosecution on the other hand has the burden of proof. they have to prove murder beyond a reasonable doubt. >> have you seen anything that proves that? >> that proves murder? no, not yet. >> what about manslaughter, that they could convict on a lesser charge? >> if a jury concluded that his so-called belief in the need to use deadly force was unreasonable, then yeah, so you get to manslaughter. a compromise verdict. that's what it would be. the prosecution has thrown down the gauntlet. they filed murder. they want murder. i don't know that a jury would necessarily come back with manslaughter. >> in your case, you had a jury that was predominantly female and black.

here you have a jury which is predominantly female, but predominantly white. how much of an impact will that have potentially as we saw in the o.j. case where many people believe there was a miscarriage of justice there. could we see a similar situation? >> i've given some thought to that and why the lawyers chose these particular jurors. to sit in the courtroom and be a lawyer in that trial, even though you're not speaking to the jurors directly, to see them and how they interact with others, you get a sense of who they are and how they react to the evidence. we can't really see that, or i can't, so i'm just not sure. why these six individuals as opposed to some others? you know, a lot of people will say the case was lost by the prosecution, the racial makeup of the jury is a factor. >> one aspect is a lot of people

in florida have guns. at least four members of the six women jury have family members who own guns and they may believe if you own one you have a right to defend yourself. >> having a family member who owns a gun is a lot different from owning a gun ones self. >> o.j. simpson got in a whole heap of new trouble. what are your thoughts on him today and what's happened to anymore >> when the trial ended and i wrote ant the trial, i wrote this little thing on the back cover and said we all get ours in the end. and he has certainly gotten his. >> do you believe he's serving the punishment he should have served for the case that you brought against him? >> no, no. he was found not guilty of double murder in l.a. and there shouldn't be a penalty for that. he's serving time for what he did in las vegas, which was stupid. >> fascinating to talk to you.

good to see you. when we come back, casey anthony's attorney was in the courtroom today for day seven of georgzimmerman's trial. i'll be asking him what he thinks. 63

casey anthony was a target of intense public anger during her trial, as is george zimmerman now. one of the best friends describing zimmerman as the most hated man in america. good to see you again. must be a really interesting experience for you to be in the courtroom with a man who has been described by his own best friend as the most hated man in america. you represented a woman who was described many times as the most hated woman in america and both in contentious cases. when you were in court today, what were you feelings?

>> i was not in court today. i watched part of it and told mr. o'mara not too many days ago, his client is only hated by half the people. casey, apparently was hated by everybody. >> what do you think of the case? do you think that george zimmerman is going to get away with this? i don't mean that in the sense of he's an innocent -- a guilty man made innocent but will he get away with the fact that he did kill somebody without any punishment in the end? >> well, i don't know that, piers. the fact of the matter, he's been charged with second-degree murder, and i've tried to watch some of this case, as much as i could, and what i have seen is a total absence of the necessary elements to convict him of second-degree murder. there has been no evidence of ill will or spite or actions and depraved mind.

those are elements that have to be proven to have second degree murder and i haven't seen any of that. the case is not over. every time something goes on, there is good and bad. one side gets some points. the other side gets some points. this is a case of -- like we've seen, it's not going to be over until it's over. i agree with what i heard mr. dardon say a few minutes ago, there is a stronger likelihood, i'll say that, of a compromise verdict for manslaughter. and it would be -- if there is, it would be aggravated manslaughter because under florida law, manslaughter of a child, defined of someone under 18 is an enhanced penalty. the reality is, and most people won't know and the jury won't know is that while second-degree murder can be punishable by life in prison under the florida criminal code and the citizen guidelines,

there's not a lot of difference between the penalty between second degree murder and aggravated manslaughter. >> you famously advised your client, casey anthony, not to give media interviews. george zimmerman obviously did and we saw some of those being played out today in court. was that a mistake, do you think? >> in my opinion it was a horrendous mistake. i don't know what the count is now, but i understand between mr. zimmerman talking to the police on the evening in question, the next day, a reenactment, talking and discussing the facts with a medical attendant, talking with his friend who wrote a book, and then going on that tv show that was shown today, there's at least a half a dozen times that he has talked and from what i have heard, it seems like on each of those circumstances, there have been some

inconsistencies. now, i don't know how material or important but there are little things he's said contradicting himself from statement to statement, that's why you don't let them do it. it should never have been done in my opinion. i can't imagine why the lawyers allowed him to do that. some of those things were before he had a lawyer. the friend that wrote the book, the police officer, if he's his friend he should have told him to shut up and not say anything until he had a lawyer but he talked and talked and talked and it didn't do himself any good -- >> tell me this -- >> possible -- i'm sorry, the only possible good he could have done is he don't have to get on the witness stand. >> tell me this. when you say there is no intent, no kind of evil, malice, all the criteria for the murder charges,

he didn't use language like a-holes, "f"-ing punks that have to be dealt with. he ignored the police advice to not follow. he was quite aggressive in following trayvon martin. without those actions and without that attitude in his head about the type of person he believed he was following, then there would have been no altercation and there would have been no death. >> i don't -- piers, i don't know that even with those things it rises to the level or sinks to the level, whichever way you way to go to have a depraved mind. you talk about -- they didn't tell him not to do something. they simply said we don't need you to follow -- as i understand it, but he also is trained and they want to know -- keep an eye on where this guy is going. obviously, it would have been a much wiser deal if mr. zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for the sanford police to arrive, pointed out where the guy went and gone about his business.

we cannot undo what happened. can't change the facts. he made a decision and turned out to be a bad decision. that, however, does not translate into proof beyond a reasonable doubt of the elements necessary to convict him of second degree murder. remember, he doesn't really have to prove anything the way this case is going. the state has a burden of proving beyond an exclusion of every reasonable doubt that george zimmerman did not have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm, not whether you did or i did or somebody else did, whether george zimmerman had that reasonable fear. if the jury finds he did or there is a doubt, a reasonable doubt as to what he did, then they have no choice but to find him not guilty. >> how helpful or unhelpful was the testimony of rachel jeantel, trayvon martin's friend?

>> you know, piers, i've been asked that several times the last several days. i'm reminded of a prosecutor that made a closing argument in the first murder case i tried 40 years ago, and his words were to the effect you can't necessarily pick your witnesses, it would be nice if you could walk around with 20 nuns, so that anything that happened you would have 20 nuns to testify for you. now this is what the prosecutor got. they have to deal with her. i think it's unfortunate. i don't know her or didn't talk to her. but what i saw and what i see now is that she displayed an attitude, a personality that doesn't have credibility, and i don't think my personal belief is that -- was she telling the truth or not, i don't believe that any jury, certainly not this jury, is going to convict mr. zimmerman based on what she said to say, convict him of anything but that's not the end of the case.

she's only one witness and a lot of things she said no matter how arrogant she was, the fact of the matter is many of the things she said or seemed to be born out by the timeline of the events that happened. so, you know, the jury will have to wrestle with that. they are entitled to judge the credibility of a witness and give it whatever weight they want to. they can believe a witness in part or not at all, or everything they say and the judge will instruct them about that. so i'm sure they would like to have had a better witness, but that's what they got. they didn't have the nuns. >> final question about your client, casey anthony, how is she doing these days? she's been through a tough time. we've discussed that several times on the show before. >> well, of course, casey is still having to live in isolation and in secret. she can't go out in public.

there are still morons out there threatening to hurt her, just like there are those from time to time still threaten me and my family because we won. she -- casey is resilient, though. any woman that can spend three years in solitary confinement, go through the trial that we did and survive as she has, you got to say she's got some good stock in her. she is enjoying some small victories in the bankruptcy court and i hope it soon will be over entirely and she'll be able to have the fresh start the federal bankruptcy law says she's entitled to and if it works out that way, now we can start talking about what her future will bring. she has some hobbies, some things she likes. she wants to go on with her life. the question is, the real question is where and when and how? she can't go out in public now and it's been two years, two

years ago this week. >> and you eluded to threats that you yourself have received have you had death threats you and your family? >> of course, hundreds. been going on since before the verdict was out but after the verdict, yes. i have -- law enforcement pays special attention to things and monitors calls to my house and mail as necessary. we're very cautious about what goes on, as well. indeed, there are people out there, i think i probably told you this before, piers, there are some people that are going to keep on wallering their ignorance and stupidity until they die. those that won't accept the fact casey was found not guilty. let's move on with it. still today, you know, why do people do that? you know what? the same kind of likelihood is going to face mr. zimmerman if he's acquitted, it will be that, as well.

>> yeah. >> and his lawyers, too. >> i've got to leave it there unfortunately but always good to talk to you. thanks so much for coming on the show. coming up, she's a former homicide prosecutor, she calls the attacks on rachel jeantel disturbing. star jones is in the chair.

joining me now, a woman that has a lot to say about the zimmerman trial and rachel jeantel in particular. she's a former prosecutor and national spokesperson for the national -- star jones joins me.

star, great to have you back on the show. >> thank you. >> it really is a case i think dividing america and americans. everyone has an opinion, impossible to keep race out of it, but the evidence of rachel jeantel is controversial. you heard him being scathing about her. which many people have been. what is your reaction to the performance of that young black woman in a very difficult situation that she didn't really want to be in? >> you know, i'm glad that you pointed out that this is a young woman who was in a difficult situation, that she didn't want to be in. one thing that the previous guest said that i completely agree with is that as a prosecutor, you don't get to pick and choose who your witnesses will be. we don't get to pick and choose who our victims are going to be, who saw what, when they saw it or where it took place. rachel jeantel happened to be the young woman on the phone with the victim of a homicide moments before he was killed. she didn't think that that was

the last conversation she would have with trayvon martin. she was not thinking that she would be put on center stage, and be made to look like -- i don't want to use a word that upsets me, but made to look like an idiot, which is exactly what a lot of people have been calling her and using as a way to really blast her, and it really disappointed me, piers, and i'll tell you why. when i saw rachel jeantel testify, i saw a 19-year-old woman from a background that may be different than the people who were judging her, that may be different from maybe the jurors who will evaluate her information and the evidence she presented. as i learned more and more about her, i became curious. she has a caribbean background which has sensibilities of our southern background, i was born

in the south and raised in a similar fashion. these are traditions that we don't go away from, no matter how old we are. a southern girl, a caribbean girl would never use foul language in the presence of somebody's mother under any circumstances. i'm 51 years old. i cannot tell you that i have ever used foul language in my mother's presence and i know she would look at me cross-eyed if i did. i would never use foul language to somebody else's mother, and so the thought she was in some way being incredible when she left out the sort of language of a teenager talking back and forth to another teenager, and that would impact on her credibility is incredulous to me. as a prosecutor, you take on the burden of making your witness relatable to the jury, and you

make that witness relatable to the jury by letting the jury get to know who that person is, and you and i have talked several times about need for diversity and not just in juries, but in society because you can go your whole life as a white man and not encounter any of my real existence. you can go to work. you can go to church. you can go get your haircut. you can do all things that make up a whole life, but i don't have that freedom as an african american woman. if i want to live and work in the united states of america, i need to know as much as i can about you. and i don't have any issue with that, as a matter of fact, i think it makes me smarter and wiser and more worldly. we don't have the opportunity for diversity around the table, you get the kinds of comments you got about rachel jeantel and it was -- >> see, here is the thing, star. i found her oddly compelling and quite credible, but then i've

got three teenage sons who talk in a completely different language from the one that i do, you know, and they -- they operate in an entirely different world, different from the one rachel is in. i get the fact teenagers, generally, any of them appear in court would operate in a different manner to a fully mature adult, and she was clearly unnerved by the experience. didn't really want to be there and lost one on her best friends in an appalling shooting. it didn't surprise me that she was the way she was. >> it didn't surprise me that she came across sullen. it didn't surprise me that she didn't answer the questions in full sentences. she's 19 years old. i have to say, i actually found more annoying the following day when she punctuated every sentence with yes, sir. i found that to be more incredible. i like the fact she stood her ground, she stuck to her story.

she added the evidence as she recalled it. i do not think they shook her on any of the pertinent issues to the case. i don't like how women took her on. women in the media, social media. i found it appalling that women would sort of mean girl her in terms of the way she looked, what she wore, what her weight was, how brown her skin was, how she wore her hair. i think that women and you know in my position at napw, i shout this through the rooftop, women have to be supportive of other women. you don't have to believe everything another woman says but if you engage in the tactics men engage in, we're always going to be thought of as the other gender. >> after the break, star, i'm going to ask you where you think this trial is going and your

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back now in the chair former homicide prosecutor star jones, getting lots of reaction on twitter, star, to your stuff on the last segment. donna brazil said simply star jones is speaking for me right now and i'm sure you're speaking for many people, particularly about rachel jeantel. who has taken a drumming, and in my view, extremely unfairly. let's get to the trial itself. how do you think this trial is playing out? you can have all the views you like and i have views and you have views whether zimmerman should have gotten out of the

vehicle, whether he should have been carrying a law, et cetera, et cetera. under florida law as things stand, most legal experts i spoke to do not believe the prosecution have established second degree murder. >> second degree murder is a very high standard in florida's law. as i looked -- as i looked at the law, the requirement for ill will, spite or depraved mind seems insurmountable. however, i think a skilled prosecutor can argue the facts of the case to establish ill will. i think the prosecution can argue spite. i don't have any problem with not being able to prove the depraved mind but an aspect of the murder statute can be proved. good prosecutors know how to argue the law and the facts and i don't think they would bring the case if they didn't think they had both on their side.

however, i don't disagree that a compromised verdict is something the jury might be looking at, and this case may be a manslaughter case. >> right. >> i interviewed sybrina fulton a few months ago and she wanted a fair hearing of the facts and a revisiting of the law. and as long as she gets that, i think she will be at peace. >> let's turn to the case you you brought up last time, your friend rhonda lee strangled and found floating in a michigan lake. you haven update on this? >> yeah, i'm pleased to tell you the oakland police department did in fact arrest and has now arraigned bobby lite lor, a 42-year-old pontiac map. he's been charged with first degree murder, felony murder, and criminal sexual conduct in the first degree. these crimes can get him life in prison without the possibility of parole.

it's so rare as we talked about to find and solve a stranger murder, and in this case, we actually were able to do that. i'm not going to say that every t is crossed and every i is dotted but the police are completely convinced he acted alone, and that he is the perpetrator. so, this family has some resolution as of right now. we will, of course, be following this until the trial comes to a conclusion. >> star, you did a terrific job in raising awareness. >> i'm very glad we had an opportunity to do it. piers, thanks again. we had a great reaction to rhonda's rules which is a comprehensive list for women to make sure they protect themselves and family in case the up thinkable should happen. >> quickly, star, where can they read those? >> go straight to napw.com and click on star's corner and it's free. to anybody who wants to download it. >> you've been great. as always, come back to see us. >> thank you.

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>> robert was a brave young man. always ready to go, spent his whole life devoted to being a firefighter. he answered the call every time, never late and was willing to put his life on the line and help protect other people. >> he was known as the smart one. he had an iq of over 150. a big philadelphia eagles fan. even though he loved arizona, always remained loyal to philadelphia. he had so much going for him, didn't he, claire? in all sorts of ways. tell me about your husband. >> my husband was the bravest, most selfless man i've ever met in my life. he was a hero. and the thing that i want to say about him the most, and all hot shots, is that they sacrifice so much for everybody every day. so just say thank you to our hot

shots. because every day this could happen, it could have happened every time he left. so don't forget how much they sacrificed for us. he's a hero. they're all heroes. >> and dave, obviously there were 19 of these brave young men who lost their lives, one of the most appalling tragedies imaginable to any team of firefighters. it must have rocked the whole community. how are you all coping collectively? >> i really want to thank the prescott fire department. they've been helping us out. the senate liaison is working with us and helping us out the best they can. the community, truly proud to call myself a prescottian.

we've lived here over 20 years. robert spent his whole life here. it's been hard, but we're dealing with it and the community has helped us out a lot. >> and claire, you have a young son. robert was his stepfather. i understand the last time that he saw dave for dinner, he told his father how much he loved your little boy. it must be just horrendous for you that you lost a father and loving stepfather as well for your son. >> yeah, it hurts. the moment he met my son, he fell in love with him. he was selfless. all the men in hot shots, they were all family men. my robert, jesse, all of them. they were such loving parents. they were family men.

>> how would you like him most to be remembered, claire? >> i would like him most to be remembered as a hero, as a granite mountain hot shot. as a hero. somebody who gave everything for everyone every day of his life. he sacrificed everything, every day. and they all do. don't forget about the ones who are living, too. that's how i want him to be remembered. >> he was a true hero. they're all heroes. it's an appalling thing to have happened. i'm sorry for your loss to both of you and all the families connected with these brave then. i thank you very much indeed for joining me tonight. >> thank you. thank you very much. such a sad story.

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that's all for us tonight. anderson cooper and cnn special, "self-defense or murder, the george zimmerman trial" starts right now. >> good evening. welcome once again to our "ac 360" special coverage, "self-defense or murder, the george zimmerman trial." self-defense or murder, how the jury sees these injuries could answer that question. as the prosecution tried to show today, are we looking at the kind of cuts and scrapes from a garden variety scuffle, one that did not have to end with a teenager did on the grass? that wasn't all, as the prosecution tries to struggle from a string of witnesses that at times appear to help the defense. we have our team of legal experts on board tonight.