>> i think so. the one important thing that came out today was the absence of his finger pripts or dna on the weapon, which raises the question of whether trayvon martin even knew that george zimmerman had a gun. >> all right. thank you so much. that's it for "the lead." 4 . thank you, jake. the first democratically elected president in that country has just been ousted. we're also taking a much closer look at the critical implications for the united states. plus the prosecution nears the end right now, presenting what's been a very controversial case in the george zimmerman murder trial. our legal team is standing by. we'll break down all the testimony. that's coming up today as well. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room."

huge breaking news, historic news out of the egypt, a military coup in egypt ousting president morsi, just a year after he became the country's first democratically elected leader. troops are in control of key points in cairo, pandemonium in tahrir square, where opponents of the islamic leader, they are celebrating big time. look at the reaction when they first got word. there's also those simmering, anger among morsi's many supporters. they are also out on the streets. posts meantime urge egyptians not on to accept the coup and avoid shedding blood. let's begin our coverage with

ivan watson. what a day, ivan. set the scene. >> reporter: well, it was about two hours ago that the top egyptian military commander went on the air and made this announcement that the constitution would be suspended, and basically the most senior judge in the country would be declared interim president. that's when the crowd here just exploded, and the party has been going on ever since. what was really remarkable is you look out across cairo, and in other neighbors, the fireworks are still going on. 23409 just here in tahrir square, as military helicopters periodically circle overhead. that just revs up the crowd even more. this coming after several days of rival protests between supporters of now i guess the deposed and first elected

egyptian president mohammed morsi, and then his points. some of those activists, militants clashed. at least 18 people were killed here in cairo last night alone. i watched as ejepgs shoulders, police were deployed. what was also remarkable is they weren't doing it around they andy-morsist protesters. supporter of mo hamed morsi. the muslim brotherhood is slamming this, calling this a full-fledged military coup. mohamed on his facebook page has urged civilians and military to abide by the constitution. the muslim brotherhood is also

claiming that at least three pro-muslim brotherhood tv stations have effectively been shut down within the last couple hours. the muslim brotherhood is calling this a coup, wolf. the people in the square here, the people we have seen demonstrating in support of this overthrow of the first democratically elected president, they're saying that all the military is doing is reflecting the will of the people to push out this president, mohamed morist illustrates does it look lie the crowd behind you, the overthrow of morsi crowd, shall we call it, that it's thinning out now that it's getting closer to midnight? or are the folks still there? >> reporter: they're kind of still pouring in and leaving. it is pretty remarkable in comparison to other gatherings that we have seen here in tahrir square over the course of the last two years, real political convulsions here. it is massive and the people are

really out. what is of real concern is what may happen between the soldiers, the police in the streets and the mohamed morsi supporters, who i spoke to a few hours ago, and who swore they will not leave. they will die for morsi, see him as legitimately elected is that, so you have incredible polarization here, and also very clear that the military is very much on the side of the anti-morsi people here. they are not objective in this case. one final point i think that's interesting. is when the senior egyptian military commander made his 'nouncement, he tried to clearly make a point to have a diverse crowd around him, including the most senior christian and muslim clerics, as well as one of the if liberal voices, mohammed

elbaradei, he called this a correction of the egyptian revoluti revolution. wolf? >> ivan stand by. i know there's happy people in the square, but also shock and anger from some of the follow ers some are now warning of violence. let's brick in ben wedeman. he's not far away from the pro-morsi crowd. >> reporter: right now we have one angry speech after another, that it was a coup that ousted the first democratically elected president.

we heard people jeering and booing, and whistling in anger when the announcement was made that mohamed morsi had been dismissed as president of egypt. we know there's a military building just up the road from here, and apparently some of the supporters went and started to shake the gates of that building. soldiers who are guarding that building came out and fired warning shots in the air. now, it does appear at this point that more people are leaving this rally than are coming in at the moment, though muslim brotherhood officials are telling us this will be an open-ended protest against what they see as a protest against the military coup. i spoke to a senior of the brotherhood, and he said people in this crowd are willing to die

from stopping this from happening, but it's happened. their president, mohamed morsi is no longer the president of egypt. wolf? let's hope it stays relatively peaceful. no violence, no bloodshed, though a lot of people are fearing for the worst. we'll get back to you, ben. the ouster poses a sharp dilemma for president obama in his administration. the president has been huddling with top advisers, including the military brass, intelligence chiefs, all of the senior national security advisers. let's go to the white house the our correspondent dan lothian has the latest. these are tough decisions that the president will have to make now, dan. >> reporter: you're right, wolf, very tough decisions. remember just back in 2011, this was an administration that had pushed to have hosni mubarak step aside so you could have these free democratic elections happening there in egypt. now this dramatic turn of events in egypt. as you pointed out, president

obama back from africa has been getting briefed all day by his national security team. late this afternoon we sudden a parade of top administration officials coming here to the white house. chuck hagel, the defense secretary, john brennan, the cia director, attorney general eric holder, and others coming here to the white house. we have not seen them depart, so all indications are they are still here meeting with the president. the hope had been by this administration that perhaps there could have been a smooth political transition in egypt, that perhaps pressure on morsi would have led to some early elections, but that again did not happen. now we're waiting for official reaction from the white house, wolf. >> any indication there will be a briefing, a statement from the president or someone else, his national security adviser susan rice? the secretary of state john kerry? secretary of defense? any indication any of them are about to explain the u.s. position to the american public?

we were we have asked that very question and so far we've not been told that in fact we would get someone on camera tonight, but we expect there will be some reaction from the white house at some point in evening. you know, one of the key questions that we will be listening for is how the white house will define what happened in egypt. if in fact it is a coup, will that impact the amount of aid that the u.s. gives to egypt in the amount of more than $1.5 billion. >> yeah, that's a lot of money at stake right now. a lot depends on how the obama administration defines what has happened over the past few hours. if they call it a coup, that potentially could be suspending all u.s. military and economic assistance to egypt, totaling about $1.5 billion a year. if you get word of our official statement, whether before cameras, or a written statement from the white house or state department, let us know. our viewers are anxious to get that. up next, the coup in egypt

means a foreign policy headache for president obama, a significant one. we've been talking about the military may feel some pain. we'll have details on that. also a very different story. we anticipate some gripping testimony in the george zimmerman trial today. how much did the defendant know about florida's stand your ground law? stay with us. lots happening today right here in "the situation room." dad. how did you get here?

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u.s. many bales in cairo has ordered a mandatory evacuation of many of the people who work there, including family members. let's bring in jill dougherty for the very latest. i know there's deep concern. when i was in cairo in january, i saw these huge concrete blocks surrounding the embassy. there was such fear of people storming the embassy. i know there's plenty of anger at the united states for supposedly backing morsi right now. what's the very latest right now, jill? >> it is, wolf, this now summing from a senior administration official that the embassy is now saying that noncertainlially personnel have to leave, it's mandatory evacuation. some will remain, the people who are very important will remain to that operation, but just a few days ago, they had voluntary -- in other words, families, et cetera, could leave. now they really have to leave. how they get out. originally they were saying if

there were commercial flights they could do that. now it depends on the security situation. now we're trying to establish how those personnel would get out. don't forget that barbara starr was reporting u.s. marines stationed in southern europe are on alert as a precaution. they could go in very quickly if the situation turned into that. >> are official at the state department yet defining whether or not this was a coup. as you know, there is legislation that was passed by congress, signed into law by the president if there is a military coup that could end u.s. military and economic assistance, which totals about a -- >> right, and other money for other purposes, but they are not. i asked that question it's a crucial question, you're right, is it a coup, because that would define whether or not the u.s. would have to pull the aid.

however they're saying that it could have a waiver if they decided it was in the national security interest in the united states, or there might be another reason. so they'll be looking for that definition if they give it very soon. it actually has a lot of implications to say it's a coup, so i'm sure they won't do it lightly or very quickly. >> jill dougherty, thanks very much. let's dig a bit deeper with fareed zakaria, "time" magazine's editor at large. sunday also joining us ambassador, thanks to you for coming in as well. if you were advising this president, would you call it a coup? what would you call? >> a democratic exhibit of popular will. >> why not a coup?

the military clearly was in charge, they made the announcement. my definition is a small group the military personnel overthrowing a legitimate government or existing government. what we have here is a very large popular expression of opposition to the president, military stepping in responding, and indicating that it's going to not take charge, not take over -- but to move it to democratic -- >> fareed, you understand why ambassador walking was outstanding diplomat, because he came up with a explanation why this was not a -- >> i think it's the best

argument you can make. it's fair to say that the fact that the military has not taken power, though, of course, ousting a legitimately democratically elected government, i don't know what one would call that. i would suggest we look at -- the military ousted -- they didn't take power themselves, so perhaps that could be the marvel. i don't know whether that's enough from the point of view of u.s. law. ultimately congress has that judgment to make but the other situation room, not yours, but president obama, they are deciding precisely this issue, into you it has implications for u.s. aid, for military to military cooperation, and there are obviously thinking about the

crucial issues what does it mean? remember, egypt there's only one of two arab countries, so they're trying to figure out, with all those stakes in the ground, where do we go? i do think that national interests will trump legalism. and if they decide it makes more sense and -- >> i totally agree. we'll wait to hear officially from the white house. professor is joining us as well, a real expert on the middle east. fuad, what do you think the president should do right now? >> well, first, on the definition of the question, a coup by any out name is military. the military says coups are not part of its practice, but this

is a could yp dtat. with the military assistance, it's over. we are back in the world of the military coup dtat. this is a great schism, a great war in the land of egypt between secularism on the one hand and islamism on the other. for the democrats they now find themselves relying on the power of the military to redeem them so very quickly, how should the president respond? >> i don't think we have very many good choices. we have good relations to the military, but i think the game

is playing, because in fact president obama i think he was right. he had trusted the democratic process, and for better or worse had been elected, so we don't really have brilliant choices. we're really playing catch-up. sell based on everything i heard, that israeli -- still exists, but really the only institutions that the israelis had contact with for all practical purposes was the egyptian military. they will not have contact, because they're smart enough to wait to see what happens. they will maintain their relations, because sinai is a critical point for israel.

the military has been working with israel quite extensively over the last year. >> you expect that the peace treaty to continue, are respective of who is in charge. at the be the greatest followy that the military could accomplish to call into question that treaty at this point. >> because, fareed, you also well know that the u.s./egyptian military connection is very, very strong. so many of the egyptian generals trained in the united states. so that's a powerful connection, should we sea that general dempsey asks action for chuck hagel that the -- >> precisely. we've been trying to use that influence to moderate the

military, you know, the ambassador came out, and said we don't want military intervention a few years ago. we also used our influence to try to moderate him. the problem is that in egyptian, you have had this dynamic. on the one hand a very repressive dictator ship, or on the other hand what you called -- kind of an elected authoritarian. we've been trying to find some third path, but ultimately fouab ajami is right, this is not our path. some egyptian leader has to show the wisdom to say i'm going to embark on a path of motte raise, govern by consensus, use the democratic majority, but also be constitutional and respect the rights of minorities. so forwhat we ended up with morsi, but not -- not mandela. what egypt needed is mandela, somebody because we don't have that, we have what the see on

quire television screens, the the split screen. on the one hand people cheering, on the other hand people deeply desponde despondent. both -- are real and exist. >> when we come back, we'll have more on the takeover in egypt. i interviewed morsi six months or so ago, and we're going to play a little clip of what he told me then. stand by. the great outdoors...

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let's get to the breaking news, history unfolding, a military coup, ousting the democratically elected president morsi just a year after he became the country's new leader. troops are in control of key points in cairo. there's pandemonium in the square, where opponents of the islamist leader, celebrating almost like new year's the glow had already faded last january when i went to cairo. i had a chance to speak with mohamed morsi. watch this clip. >> give me a thought. i came right after. and i remember we got up one more, and without much security, we just walked around cairo. she walked into tahrir square. people were all playeding her.

it was a very optimistic moment. it's almost two years ago, but then all of a sudden things got gloomy. give me a thought about the arab spring. >> this is natural. this is normal. on the absence -- from corruption, fear, big corruption, to a new position to freedom, to democracy, a case where you try to prevent corruption, when people move like this, and there are big numbers like in egypt and they have daily needs, and they want the freedom to be completed i think this kind of activities, this kind of demonstration, this

kind of trying to resist to some extent any kind of feelings that we are probably go back to some extent, i consider this situation a normal situation and people gaining experience in how to transfer the feelings to real production, real action on the ground. >> so you're optimistic? >> very much. >> he's not very optimistic right now after the military effectively told him it's over. ben wedeman is at tahrir square. actually he's with the pro-morsi elements not far away from tahrir square. new stuff is coming in, is that

right, ben? >> yes, we did hear a message from now former president morse i he did say the will of the people cannot be canceled and he rejected the idea that he's been sum matterly deposed as the president of egypt. what we are hearing here is one speech in defiance. the speaker just call on all supporters of the muslim brother to hold demonstrations and sit-ins. clearly they are not going to take this latest development sitting down. ivity spoken with many members in recent days action and they stress time and time guess that morsi was elected democratically.

he won 52%, and he insisted he still maintains that democratic legitimacy, millions of egyptians have decided it's time to dump mohamed morsi. the campaign that let to this way -- the rebel movement claimed that they collected 22 million signatures, this is more than the number of people who voted for mohamed morsi a year ago. >> ben wedeman with the pro-morsi elements. christiane, this is a delicate moment, because let's hope it's peaceful, let's hope there's a smooth transition, but i'm fearful this could get very ugly. what are your thoughts? >> let's not try to predict the

worst. you've heard that he's called on people to resist this, and he still believes in this. they will probably try some peaceful protests for a few days. how long it will be in place, where there's a concerted serious effort to go towards rewriting elements of the constitution watch and how leading democrat sis like the united states and the rest of western europe struggles with the semantics.

you did already heard this orwellian set of phrases. there's a big war of words between the morsi and anti-morsi camp. on the one hand millions of people on the street delivers a vote of no confidence to the president. on the other hand he was the first democratically elected president of egypt. it needs to mature to carry forward. we know would you morsi won, because there was only one political party. for 80 years it was incredibly well organized. now it's been pushed back out of the governance game, because it failed particularly these emerging democracies, whether islamic hinged democraciedemocr

actually proceed to some kind of reasonable political future. i think this is a blow for that project right now. >> almost breathtaking to see how quickly the situation is unfolding. he was very confident, obviously not very optimistic about that right now. we'll resume our special breaking news coverage right after this. ♪ [ male announcer ] fight pepperoni heartburn and pepperoni breath fast with tums freshers. concentrated relief that goes to work in seconds and freshens breath. tums freshers. ♪ tum...tum...tum...tum... tums! ♪ fast heartburn relief and minty fresh breath. [ slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium-rich tums starts working so fast you'll forget you had heartburn. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums

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it's a statement from he's also a chairman of the budget submittee on the state department of foreign assistance. he's just issued a tough statement, while well coming democracy, he did say this, he said our law is clear. u.s. aid is cut off when a democratically elected goff is deposed by military coup or decree. as we work on the new budget, my committee will review future aid, as we wait for a clearer

picture. fouad aja some mi, these are sensitive issues for the administration. you don't want to poison the u.s. connection with the military at a critical moment like this, right? >> absolutely right, but you don't want to be careful. we saw it in turkey, and we talked about -- the obama is on the horn of a delicata. you realize something has to be done. it's hard running an empire and it's not that easy of a time for us. >> fareed, at what point would you expect the american public

to hear directly from the president of the united states? i want i suspect he will be wary in getting involved in what still is a fluid situation. it's a very tricky situation, and we still have to deal with phase 2, which ben wedeman has been pointing out. the muslim brother has not accept this coup, they millions of followers. if the military wanted to present this as a -- and they have started to take some very dangerous moves. we have rho -- three have been shut down. that sounds more like your

traditional coup. it's also futon innage age of social media. we saw that in the green movement in tehran, we saw it in the original arab spring, so they're doing something that's counterproductive. it's going to make it very difficult to claim this is a different kind of non-coup coup, and it won't work. millions will find ways of getting out on the street. the military has to think seriously about how do they get these people to peacefully go back home. if there's a sing the challenge, how do we get them to peacefully go home. >> what was impressive to me was that when if the egyptian general came out. made his announcement, he surrounded himself with the

leader from the main muslim university, a leader of the christians in egypt mohammed elbaradei. a secularist, and others, nobodiy the muslim brother, but gave himself a little cloak, support, if you will, from various interest groups. >> he has a broad base of support. >> the general? >> the general does it is reaching out to both religious thor and civilian authorities. it the problem was that morsi overreached, or at least the brotherhood overreached. they tried to move too fast, started xhanging basic institutions in the state by appointment process. it's a democratic process, i suppose. >> and a quick those from you on this. also we've just gotten word that

the saudi king has issued a congratulatory message to the interim president, the new interim president of egypt, the supreme court leader who was appointed by the military to take charge of the next 9 to 12 months. what do you make of that? >> the saudis were not enamored of the muss limb brotherhood. they think the muslim brotherhood betrayed them in the last 30, 40 years. so they never -- they were not willing to offer aid to the muslim brotherhood. they kept morsi at arm's length. i think for them it's a measure of relief. the andy morsi demonstration on the left. we'll continue or special coverage of this. i want to thank all our analysts. we're also following another

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sglee another riveting day of testimony as the prosecution reaches the end. day 8 of this trial was george zimmerman, was he acting as a wannabe cop? and what if anything did he know

about florida ace stand your ground law? one of hess professors was on the stand today. >> with florida and others states, they have what's called the assistant your ground law, which evolved from the cassel doctrine through case law. >> did you cover that specifically? >> yes. >> did you discuss specifically self-defense and stand your ground laws in connection of violent crimes such as murder? >> yes. >> when you have a reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm, the term "reasonable" obviously has two components, so there's a subjective component, meaning that i feel like i'm in fear. in my mind, i feel like i'm in fear of death or grievous bodily harm, but when stuff hits the fan, you're judged by jurors

your actions have to meet a reasonable standard objectively. so whether or not a reasonable person person in your position would have felt the way you felt. >> you don't have to wait until you're almost dead to defend yourself? >> no. i would advise you probably don't do that. >> i take it when you're under attack you never really know where that moment will be? >> no, unfortunately you don't. >> all right. let's assess what we just heard. joining us our cnn legal analysts. jeffrey toobin, sunny hostin was in the courtroom for much of the day and the criminal attorney mark nejame. why did the prosecution bring this professor before the jury today? >> the idea was that george zimmerman having taken this class learned florida law and

thus constructed a defense that would give him an out for killing trayvon martin. that's the idea. i'm not sure that's what the effect was but that was the idea. >> sunny, do you think that helped the prosecution with his testimony? >> well, it certainly helped their theory. it helped to show their theory which is that george zimmerman was on the beat. he was a wannabe cop. he was frustrated with not being a cop and acted the way the prosecution claims he acted. another piece that is important that came out of testimony is that george zimmerman in his interview with sean hannity said i don't know anything about the stand your ground law, i only learned about it after the shooting. this testimony shows that isn't true. not only did this professor teach it to him, he got a a in the class. i think that will be helpful. >> mark, what do you think? >> it's a mixed bag.

the state has to go ahead an impeach george zimmerman's various testimony. they have to show he's not been reliable and truthful. with that said this professor gave a beautiful dissertation as to stand your ground law in self-defense. help educate the jurors and he liked george zimmerman. you got a mixed bag. once again things that break even side to the defense because the state doesn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. >> jeffrey, you did see george zimmerman. normally he's pretty stoic but he smiled broadly at tend of that clip. what did that say to you? >> every trial i've been in including the most horrible crimes have light moments in them and he seemed like a human being. who knows if the jury even

noticed. it's not uncommon even in the most upsetting, depressing crimes to have moments where everybody in the courtroom laughs and that was one of them. >> hold on for a moment. we'll continue this conversation. we have a lot more coming up. we're also going to be going back to the breaking news in egypt. the historic military coup is under way right now. we're getting new reaction from all sides. stand by. i want to make things more secure. [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better. ♪

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some chilling moments in the courtroom today when the jurors were shown the hoodie that trayvon martin was wearing the night he was shot and killed add well as the blood soaked bullet hole. they also got a close up look of george zimmerman's gun. it was part of a testimony from a crime lab analyst who examined it all. joining us is professor lawrence, the chairman of the

science department at the john jay college of criminal justice. a forensic scientist himself. let me play the clip from this crime laboratory analyst who examined trayvon martin's sweatshirt and then we'll discuss. >> are you findings consistent with the muzzle of the gun having been pressed into the dark hooded sweatshirt and fired through both the dark hooded sweatshirt and the lighter colored sweatshirt? >> it's consistent with the muzzle of the firearm touching the outer sweatshirt and the inner sweatshirt being in direct contact with the outer one. >> there's no evidence that would show up that you would take a gun nuzzle and push it into the shirt where the shirt would fold around it, was there? >> no. it was consistent with the muzzle of the firearm touching. >> it was consistent with this,

correct? >> yes. >> shirt, firearm? >> yes. >> it wasn't consistent with this, pushing or anything? >> no. >> that you would have shown a completely different configurati configuration. >> to me contact is when the muzzle is touching the fabric. >> that's all someone would need to do to fire a shot if it was fully loaded? >> yes. >> all right, professor, what's the significance of this testimony? >> i thought that her testimony was quite excellent and clear. what she concluded from her test firings and comparison to the physical evidence was that the muzzle was literally in contact with the fabric of the outer sweatshirt, the hoodie. for me it raises a question because the autopsy report describes the shot as an intermediate shot which means that the muzzle was six inches to perhaps 18 inches away from that garment.

there is a contradiction here. i tend to go forward with amy's conclusion because the bullet had a penetrate two layers of clothing before it hit the body. i think she's probably closer to the truth. >> the that good or bad for the prosecution in this case? >> it doesn't make a lot of difference. it points to the fact there's a struggle as opposed to a distance shot which wouldn't go along with george zimmerman's hypothesis. >> he acknowledges he did fire that bullet into trayvon martin's heart. >> indeed. there's no question about that. the question is was it part of a struggle? did trayvon martin go for the gun? there's no dna evidence on the gun from trayvon martin. you really can't draw a conclusion. we really haven't heard

definitive that george zimmerman said when he spoke to the police that trayvon martin touched the gun. just that he went for the gun. everything aisle hearing is consistent with george zimmerman's story. >> thanks as usual for joining us. >> it's a pleasure. happening now, breaking news. egypt upheaval. president morsi ousted in a military coup. the prosecution nears the end of its case. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. you're in the situation room. we're following the major breaking news. a coup in egypt. the country's first democratically elected president ousted a few hours ago by the country's powerful. hundreds of thousands if not

millions of people on the streets of cairo. it's now midnight there. political shock waves are being felt throughout the middle east all the way to washington and beyond. there are certainly tremendous implications for the united states, for europe, for the region. so much going on. the u.s. don't forget providing egypt with about a billion and a half dollars a year. 1$1.5 billion in military and economic stance. we have correspondents covering this story. history unfolding. they're watching what's going on and anticipating a very, very angry reaction from president morsi's supporters. two major demonstrations happening right now in cairo. now just past midnight in cairo. one huge demonstration. this is the one you're seeing right now. these are opponents. it looks like new year's eve there. fireworks going off all over the place. these people are thrilled that

the egyptian military for all practical purposes dumped morsi a year after he took office. on the right part of your screen you're seeing a pro-morsi rally. these are largely numbers of the muslim brotherhood. they have been awaiting for around 80 years to get power in egypt. they finally got power a year ago but for them now that power is going to go away right now because of what's happened. let's bring in ivan watson. he's at the anti-morsi rally. >> reporter: the party continues to rage here. i've covered a lot of demos here over the course of the last two years. i really haven't seen these masses and constant fireworks. it seems like this since 2011

when he stepped down here. people clearly thrilled with the decision by the top political tear commander to call for the suspension of the constitution and for egypt's first democratically elected president to be forced out of power and be replaced by the top judge in the country who is then assigned the goal of trying to pave the way for future presidential elections. there's an ominous undertone to this and that is some of the supporters of morsi and more islamist circles, some of them very unhappy with this decision calling this a mitary coup and many of them have told me they have vowing to fight and they will die to ensure that their man remains in office. we've seen some other ominous signs that three pro-morsi brotherhood tv stations have been shut down in recent hours and a muslim brotherhood official telling us that

employees at one of these stations have actually been arrested in the last couple of hours. those are shows of force clearly showing this is not a soft move that has the support of all elements of egyptian society s d we see here. supporters that the power that be are very concerned about. >> we know that morsi himself is tweeting and doing all sorts of activities. i'm going to get back to you on that. morsi has been tweeting, sending out tweets to his followers at the same time. he's been making statements. we don't know if he's under house arrest or what's going on. let me read one tweet that the now former president released. urges civilians and military members to uphold the law and constitution and not to accept

the coup that turns egypt backwar backwards. he's urging everyone to peacefulness. let's bring in our analyst now. the senior fellow at hoover institution at stanford university scholar on the middle east. the pro-morsi forces are furious and angry. at least so far the military is taking action they are moving troops in place. we haven't seen a whole lot of bloodshed. >> reporter: we haven't seen bloodshed yet but i think we still face the next phase of this because the brother had has

made quite clear they intend to contest this. they've been trying to get to this point for 80 years. they've been banned and for the first time islamist political parties were allowed to contest in egypt. they won. they didn't win a huge majority. they view this as the depravation of their legitimately gained democratic rights and they are likely to fight it. they are organized and probably will further inspired by these stupid moves by the military to shut down these tv stations. how the brotherhood handles that will be the next phase of this

crisis. >> people went in and ransacked it. there was no military protection for all practical purposes. yesterday the military took charge of the major newspaper, the state run newspaper. the military clearly made up its even before. >> reporter: it tells you egypt has become just plain ungovernable. the police is a lawless force. i've been hearing the democrats saying the people and the police are one hand. that's a complete irony. the revolt in 2011 was motivated by a desire to reform the

police. these secular democrats may rue the day because they're asking for the protection and asking for political advantage to be granted them by the military. the military will not do them this as a free favor. >> we're also getting indication that egyptian tv bureau and the station there has been raided. we're just getting preliminary information. i don't know what that means but it looks like there was limited security there. for folks to get into al jazeera's operation. >> it's true. as this year has went on a lot of egyptians have felt that al

jazeera has been too friendly toward the brotherhood. >> i'm just getting more information that security forces went in and raided the studios and made some arrests of the personnel inside. that's a significant development as well. >> it is indeed. it's troubling if true because it suggests that what we're seeing is the military and the interior ministry not merely taking control of government but seeking to clamp down on dissenting voices. they have a high bar to clear to move this will turn it to trajectory. >> if they're shutting down say the muslim brotherhood tv st stations that may be one thing but if they're shutting down al jazeera and making arrests

that's another thing. >> there's a feeling that al jazeera is friendly to the muslim brotherhood they have favored the forces and has favored their people in egypt. >> they say this happened, this raid on its television bureau to a live broadcast. the security forces stormed the building, arrested the news presenter, guests and the producers of al jazeera. >> wolf, i think this is the most prubli itroubling aspect o we're witnessing. if they claim there's a restoration of democracy and morsi overreached and they a g

restoring democracy, it's a strange way to show it. the response to bias news coverage is a press release not arrests and closure of tv stations. remember we talk about how morsi overreached and he did. he governed terribly. more incompetence than pure overreach but a combination. the forces of the arm also overreached. egypt does not have a lower house of parliament. both sides have been overreaching. what the united states has to look to is if it's going to try to play a role is to make sure whatever happens is in an attempt to restore democracy and

bring back a genuine constitutional process. that means no shutting down tv stations. a new institution that's written by a national body that involves all groups. not arbitrary rule by the military in which they can sthu down tv stations they don't like. >> it would be nine months or more before new elections take place in egypt. it puts a lot of pressure on the obama administration. the president has been meeting with top national security advisors all day trying to figure out what to do. this puts enormous pressure on the obama administration to maybe pause and not react too quickly. >> that's true. i think there are a couple of things they are going to have to try to determine fairly quickly. one is where this qualifies as a

coup under the terms of the foreign stance act. they're required by law to suspend assistance. >> there is a loophole? is. >> i'm not sure if there's a national security waiver for this provision. >> we're told there is a loophole. if they want to say yes this is a coup but u.s. national security still requires to u.s. to provide military and economic assistance to egypt because it's in america's best national security. they might have that loophole. >> then they would be able to do it for reasons of state, but they will have to make a determination to whether it's a coup and they will also be talking to the egyptian military about the road map and saying what's the time line for this and how well can we judge whether this is going to do what's necessary to put egypt back on a stable path. >> the jep announced what's

going on and now what's going on. he didn't give a timeline. another general said maybe nine months or so before elections maybe longer. everyone stand by. we're going to continue the breaking news coverage. i want people to weigh in mp a bitter opponent of morsi, the former president. we're getting more u.s. reaction to this military coup in egypt. a major complication for the president. also, more on that disturbing evidence in the george zimmerman trial in the united states nearing a milestone as the prosecution getting ready to wrap up its case.

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we're following this breaking news out of egypt. the military coup ousting the egyptian president representing a major complication for president obama. he's now been huddling with his top advisors for the past few hours over at the white house trying to come up with a strategy. let's bring in our white house correspondent. what are you hearing over there? >> reporter: we're still waiting for an official reaction from the white house. so far no word. we will be watching for a couple of things. first of all, will the white house react will it be a bold and strong statement or will it be more measured because of the station on the ground being fluid and there's many unknowns. the other factor is how will the

white house characterize what's happened in egypt. do they consider it to be a coup and how does that impact the billions of dollars the u.s. gives to egypt each year. the president has been briefed by his top national security advisors, his staff throughout the day. we saw late this afternoon a parade of top administration fishes coming here to the white house including secretary of defense chuck hagel. from the time all of them started arriving to the time departed it was a two-hour time span. we expect now that we've seen them all leave that the meeting is over. the marine what guards the west wing door when the president is inside the oval office has left. we presume the president is not in the oval office. we know this has been a dramatic development on the ground in egypt. shocking for this administration and we're waiting to get official reaction from the white

house. >> i take it that the white house has not yet issued what we used to call when i was a white house correspondent a lid saying there would be no more appearances or statements emerging from the white house press operation. the white house still open for the news media, is that right? >> reporter: i'm told we have gotten a travel photo lid. it's a partial lid here. we won't be seeing the president any time tonight. that still doesn't mean we couldn't get a reaction from the white house in some other form. we have not gotten that sort of full lid, if you will. we're waiting for that still. >> we're not going to see the president. we might get some written statement from the national security council or some place else. let us know. we'll be anxious to hear what the president of the united states thinks of this historic moment that unfolded in egypt today. thanks very much.

this militaitary coup has tremendous imly indications for the united states that provides egypt about a billion dollars a year be assistance. candy, you had a terrific opportunity today. you interviewed the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general martin dempsey. >> for perspective this took place a half a hour before we learned that morsi was no longer the president, but we did talk about these amazing pictures that we're seeing. i think the demonstrates in so far as they remain peaceful are remarkable. he said they also prove that it takes time for democracy to stick. we then went onto what really is his bill and military to

military. here is what he had to say. >> military to military contacts. are those contacts still stable? are they strong? do you feel when you see on tv the military saying, hey, president morsi, you would be the guy to do something and meet some of these demands or we're going to take over, are you knowing these people? are you on the know in that sort of thing? what's the nature of your conversation? >> to your question about the nature of the relationship with the egyptian armed forces, it was actually trending even more strongly than it had been for the last ten years. we're committed to that to try to help them find their way in a new system. they went from being, the armed forces ran the country for several decades. they were transitioning themselves into their role and democracy. i'm not in the know about exactly what they're going to do. my conversations with them have

been principlely about, i wanted to get their assurance they would protect our u.s. citizens and they will. i wanted to encourage them to protect all the egyptian people, not to take sides in any particular issue and to ensure that they were a part of the resolution of this but in their proper role as a military which is to ensure stability but not try to influence the outcome. >> you feel confident with the assurances you've gotten? >> i feel confident we have a close enough relationship that they listen. at the end of the day it's their country and they will find their way, but there will be consequences if it's badly hand handled. there's laws that bind us on how we deal with these kinds of situations. >> you mean the u.s., how the u.s. deals for instance? >> yeah. for instance, if this were to be

seen as a coup then it would limit our ability to have the kind of relationship we think we need with the egyptian armed forces. >> i see. again, talking about what are they going to call this. i think he was always very interesting about how first priority was protecting the americas. several hundred of american citizens working there and jill's been reporting on the possibility evacuation. he said there are about 60,000 dual passport american-egyptian citizens. >> u.s. has a huge embassy in cairo. i was there in january. what's so depressing is to see the concrete bunkers surrounding that embassy. you can't get close to it. they're so worried about security and now as jill is reporting they have asked nonessential personnel, family members to leave. this is a huge development.

enormous for the u.s. in cairo. there's a lot of anger for all sides for whatever reason. some of it not necessarily justified but as general dempsey pointed out this is major concern. we'll continue to follow this story. another another big story there was more gripping testimony in the george zimmerman trial. we're going to florida. that's next.

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morning. prosecutors very close to wrapping up their case. it was a case largely dedicated to scientific evidence and george zimmerman wanting to become a police officer. there was also a moment when jurors saw the sweatshirt that trayvon martin wore when he was shot and killed martin is covering the trial as well as sunny hostin and jeffrey toobin. martin, first to you. another dramatic day. day 8 of this trial. tell us what happened. >> it was a lot for the jury to take in today. you mentioned some of the subjects but the gun came up. the issue that was being discussed here is the issue that george zimmerman had one round in the chairman and the prosecution is trying to suggest that could be cavalier. listen to the exchange in the courtroom today. >> you were asked about the trigger pull.

can you give the members of the jury whether or not four pounds is a relatively light or relatively heavy trigger pull. >> four and a half pounds is within the normal range of trigger pulls that i see in my case work. >> it's not a heavy trigger pull? >> no it's not. >> you were asked questions about the firearm being fully loaded. can you explain to the members of the jury if the magazine is full and there's a live round in the chairman on that particular firearm what must a person do to expel a bullet? >> pull the trigger to fire the gun at that point in time. >> that's it. there's nothing they have to turn off or adjust? >> correct. >> they do make firearms with an external safety? >> yes. >> all right. let's discuss what we just heard and martin standby for a moment. sunny, tell us why potentially this testimony was significant.

>> well, certainly as martin said it appeared that the prosecution was trying to show he was ready to go. he was ready to fire. he was acting like a police officer as opposed to just a citizen. i thought what was interesting, i was in the courtroom for that examination, she's a tiny person, this firearms expert and she actually showed the jury what it took to pull that trigger. she did it easily. shi while she's an expert, she's a tiny expert and that took almost no force. i don't think it was not lost on this jury. >> she did have a license to carry that. it was not like it was something illegal she was carrying. >> not at all. on cross-examination his lawyers pointed out that this is actually very common kind of weapon for police officers. frankly, i didn't get this as terribly significant one way or the other. there's no doubt who killed

trayvon martin or how he killed him. i thought this was -- it's always impressive and sobering to see a murder weapon in a courtroom but i can be the imagine that this makes conviction or even acquittal much more likely. >> martin, you were in the courtroom. how did it seem to play before these six jurors all of whom are women? >> the jurors have been extremely attentive. they are al very big note takers. after every comment you see heads go down and note taking takes place. they have very studious. it appears that everyone is paying attention. i think most people are pretty impressed. this jury are taking this very, very seriously even though at times it can be tedious. >> sunny they made it clear that they are getting very, very close to wrapping up this case.

all a lot of people anticipate that the family members of trayvon martin might be the final prosecution witness. is that what you're hearing? >> that's what i'm hearing. if i were trying this case that's what i would do. you want to end on that motional note. an expert that said while technology hasn't caught up with voice identification, if someone familiar with another person's voice identifies that voice that is reliable and what is still out there, that big question is, who was crying for help on that 911 call. trayvon martin's family says it was trayvon martin. i suspect that someone from the family either perhaps his mother or his brother will get on the witness stand and tell the jury they believed it was their loved one screaming for help. >> jeffrey, if you were the

prosecutor in a case like this, forget about the prosecutor, let's say he's going to wrap up it with the mother, but if you were the defense attorney would you cross examine the mother? >> absolutely not. you don't mess with a grieving mother. it's very likely in the defense case that george zimmerman's father or perhaps some other relative of his will testify that he thinks the voice on the 911 call was george zimmerman. if you want to challenge the testimony. you don't risk alienating the jury. you don't cross examine trayvon martin's mother under any circumstances. >> martin, you've been covering this from the beginning. let's say the profession wrsecu up friday morning. it's up to the defense to bring their case and they're not going to have loa lot of witnesses.

this trial could wrap up fairly soon. >> that's correct. i think there's been a number of scenarios. one of them was that the prosecution was going to rest today and that clearly didn't happen. we are going a little bit beyond some of the time frames. some have suggests it might be the prosecution and there other witnesses could go longer into friday. maybe go through friday and actually end perhaps say friday afternoon, ten minutes before 5:00 with the mother. very power. and then says that's it for us. may not even rest then but the last thing the jury hears for two days ringing this their ears is the very emotional statement that's made by trayvon martin's mother, we're only resuming here. they might say we might be back on monday and say we rest and the defense picks up monday. it's difficult to predict but you're definitely right that the defense will most likely be shorter than what we've seen with the prosecution. >> why would that be, jeffrey?

why would the defense, at least all the experts i've spoken to don't think george zimmerman will be put up there on the stand. they don't want to have him cross examined and he's made his case in the videotapes that were played by the prosecution. we're probably not going to hear another time from george zimmerman, right. >> i don't think there's chance in the world that george zimmerman will be a witness. one thing that's true in high profile cases and low profile cases is defense lawyers come in and say we're going to have several weeks of testimony. we're going to have a big defense. the defense cases are almost always very short. this case went in pretty well for the defense. they don't need a lot of witnesses. the main witnesses have already testified. i anticipate a handful of witnesses. i think there will be summations the middle of next week and we could have a verdict.

>> sounny, do you agree? >> absolutely. i think it would be a mistake for the defense to put on george zimmerman or a long case. the burden of proof isn't on the defense. it's on the prosecution. i suspect it's going to be pretty short next week. >> stand by. i want to continue this conversation. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back the judge in the zimmerman trial despite some frustration with the defense today, the heated exchange. what it might mean. stand by. vys are moving fast. i'll take that malibu. yeah excuse me, the equinox in atlantis blue is mine! i was here first, it's mine. i called about that one, it's mine. mine. it's mine. it's mine. mine! mine. mine. mine. mine. it's mine! no it's not, it's mine! better get going, it's chevy's independence day celebration. [ male announcer ] the chevy independence day celebration. now, current chevy truck owners can trade up to this 2013 chevy silverado all-star edition with a total value of $9,000. what makes the sleep number store different?

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team got a bit of a slap on the wrist from judge nelson after suggesting court be in recess friday. listen to this. >> we're trying to coordinate an opportunity to take benjamin crump's deposition and the only time offered to us was to begin at 6:00 p.m. on sunday, several days from now. we object to that schedule. i would ask that the court recess on friday so that we have that opportunity to take mr. crump's deposition. we also want to take the deposition of steve brenton with fdle. >> i know the state says they plan on resting today and the court intends to begin the defense on friday and that's what i informed you yesterday. >> we didn't know until late in the day on june 3rd that we would be allowed to take his deposition. >> that's a month ago. that's 30 days ago. >> your honor we've been

somewhat tied up for the month. we're asking for a little more time given the way the court had proceeded. we were still litigating the admissibility of evidence after the jury selection began. we certainly couldn't have taken mr. crump's testimony during the trial day. the court doesn't expect mr. o'mara or myself to leave the courtroom to -- >> you've left for other reasons. now i have a jury sequestered that will be off on thursday and you don't want court on friday. that's saturday, sunday. i'm not doing that. >> we ask the court -- >> end of discussion. >> she really ended that quickly. a nice slap down by judge debra nelson. they will be in court on friday as well despite this appeal from don west, the defense attorney. jeffrey, what did you think of that little exchange? >> three cheers for judge fisher. judges need to respect the time of jurors.

she's moving this trial along. she sits a full long day. this jury is sequestered. they have sacrificed two weeks of their lives. this is how judges should behave. they should move these cases along. these defense attorneys have had months to prepare. it's time to go. i think she's doing a great job even though i don't agree with all the ruling. >> sunny you probably agree at this point. she's doing a good job? >> absolutely. she's moving very quickly and she has been moving quickly. i think the fact the defense is asking for a continue when they knew they could depose him a month ago that's not appropriate. i think it's tactical why they haven't deposed him. they've been able to keep him out of the courtroom for a month. he hasn't been able to be with his clients. i just learned that they subpoenaed him today to depose

him this weekend. right in time for their defense case in chief. it was strategy probably. >> he's a lawyer. he's the lawyer for the trayvon martin family. >> correct. that's right. he's been quite an outspoken lawyer too. there are a number of reasons why just as sunny mentioned he might want him out of the courtroom. it's face the jurors will be x fixated on and he's tended to speak how things are going. even though he's not directly involved in. he can't comment because he's going to be a witness called. it's a strategy move but his deposition should be very interesting especially when the defense brings it up this their case. >> i want sunny and jeffrey to do some grading right now. on the prosecution, the prosecution getting ready to wrap up its case. jeffrey, i'll start with you. what grade would you give these state attorneys, these

prosecutors? >> c at best. this case has gone in a very weak way. they have also made some strategic choices that are very debatable. putting in all these statements by george zimmerman that basically put in his entire defense in this case. they are putting so much stock in the idea that he has made contradictions that prove he's lying. i don't see it. the read d charging second-degree murder in the first place. if this were a manslaughter case it might look different. as a second-degree murder case it looks weak. >> you give him a c on that and a d on charging second-degree murder. sunny, you agree? >> i don't agree. i don't think it's been an average case. by the time cases are tried certainly cases that are great

cases for the prosecution usually plea out. they don't go to trial. if the case is going to trial it's a difficult case. this is a tough case. given the facts that they have. they haven't tried to play hide the ball. they have put all the evidence in front of jury, it's been transparent, i would say a b because i think they are doing better than average given their facts. i would agree with jeff that charging second-degree really was a bold move in this case especially since we've seen all the evidence, but it could also be a very smart strategic move because no question they will ask for alesser included, they'll ask for manslaughter maybe something lesser than manslaughter. now the jury will have a couple of choices and that gives them the opportunity to reach a compromised verdict. it could be argued they were smart in terms of their charging decision. >> we might know as quick as next week. martin, thanks to you.

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ordered state flags to fly at half staff for 19 days, one day for each of the 19 firefighters killed on sunday. investigators expect two to three months before they issue their report. cnn's brian todd has been covering this story for us in arizona. what is the latest? >> reporter: there are countless fires in this area during the dry season like the one on this spot that the hot shots battled just weeks ago. what investigators are looking at now is the anatomy of the fire, a relative laep small fire. sunday mid afternoon firefighter andrew ashcraft texts his wife

this picture of crew makes. the last known picture of the hot shots before the fire suddenly blew up killing 19 of them. the anatomy of this fire, the specific events causing that tragedy are still under investigation. officials believe the fire started the afternoon of friday june 28 with a lightning strike near yarnell. because livestock has been limited once that lightning bolt struck there were plenty of fuels like this on the ground that would have enabled the fire to spread so quickly. what are those fuels? shelby erickson who has battled about 400 fires says fires in this area feed off dry grass, shrubbery. >> needle and leaf accumulation. the top layer is the needles and leaves that have just been

sloughed off. >> reporter: a bone dry fuel load that experts say makes the fires more volatile. one official says on sunday the fire went from 40 acres in size to 84 acres in minutes. it was the sudden shift in wind directions on sunday that caught the hot shots in a deadly trap. what caused the winds to shift so fast? >> it sounds like a thunderstorm changed the direction of the fire and pushed fire in the wrong direction. >> reporter: once trapped officials say the hot shots deployed shelters. demonstrating the procedure for us firefighter lance cole got into one in about 15 seconds. it took me a little longer. >> pull it over you. when you are underneath the fire shelter you have to seal it like this to trap breathable air

underneath. make sure you have your water with you. then ride it out. erickson was careful not to comment on the actions of the hot shots. he says if the fire is that violent and enough fuel near you. >> if it is that incredible and that dry it may be so hot that this won't provide that radiant heat blockage. so far it appears between the fuel on the ground and the fact that the fire changed direction so quickly and moved so fast at that moment that the shelters deployed couldn't protect those 19 men. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> and we have just received a statement from president obama on the historic developments in egypt today, the removal of the egyptian president mohamed morsi. it is a carefully written out statement. i am going to read it to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. the statement from the president

of the united states. as i have said since the egyptian revolution the united states supports a set of core principles including opposition to violence, protection of universal human rights and reform that meets the legitimate aspirations of the people. the united states does not support particular individuals or political parties. we are committed to the democratic policy. we have called on all parties to work together to address the legitimate grievances of the egyptian people in accordance with the democratic process and without recourse to violence. the president of the united states continues, the united states is monitoring the very fluid situation in egypt and we believe that ultimately the future of egypt can only be determined by the egyptian people. nevertheless we are deeply concerned by the decision of the egyptian armed forces to remove

president morsi and suspend the egyptian constitution. we call on the egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to the government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process and to avoid arbitrary arrests of morsi and his supporters. i have also directed the relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under u.s. law for our assistance for the government of egypt. the president continues again. the united states continues to believe firmly that the best foundation for lasting stability in egypt is a democratic political order with participation from all sides and all political parties, secular and religious, civilian and military. during this uncertain period we expect the military to ensure the rights of all egyptian men and women are protected including the right to peaceful

assembly, due process and free and fair trials. more over the goal of any political process should be a government that respects the rights of all people, that institutionalizes the checks and balances upon which democracy depends and places the interest of people, the voices of all of those who have protested peacefully must be heard including those who welcome today's developments. in the interim i urge all sides to avoid violence and come together to assure the lasting restoration of egypt's democracy. no transition to democracy comes without difficulty. in the end it must stay true to the will of the people. honest, capable and responsible government is what ordinary egyptians seek and deserve. the long standing partnership we

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this is cnn breaking news. and our breaking news coming to you live. i'm ashleigh banfield. a military coo in egypt. security forces arrested the muslim brotherhood's political party leader, not just him but the deputy leader all of this in hours of ousting the president, mohamed morsy. the president of the united states just issued a statement saying how concerned he is, deeply concerned by what is taking place in egypt. he is