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good evening, everyone. two big stories dominating the hour, potentially vital testimony in the zimmerman trial about whose dna was where as the prosecution gets ready to call its final witnesses. but we begin with news out of egypt tonight, the muslim brotherhood says deposed president mohammed morsy is being held under house arrest today after being forced out today after one year in office. tonight, the country is a powder keg, the situation extremely fluid. right now pro and anti-morsy demonstrators are in the streets. the state department has issue add travel warning for
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americans. egypt's state run media reporting that security forces have arrested the muslim brotherhood's political party leader and his deputy. say they an operation is under way to arrest 300 members of the muslim brotherhood. and at least eight people were killed and more than 300 injured in clashes today across the country. we also know that the military has cut off at least three pro morsy satellite television stations. al jazeera says security forces raided its egyptian channel and obtained some of its staff. morsy said he doesn't accept the coup insisting that he's still the country's legitimate president and open to negotiating and engaging in dialogue. the crisis in egypt is a big issue obviously for president obama today. in a statement released earlier, he called on egypt's military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to democratically elected civilian
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government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of president morsy and supporters. he went on to say, i've directed the relevant agencies to review the implications for our assistance to the government of egypt. things are moving fast. not an overstatement to say no one knows what happens next. ben weedman and ivan watson join us. but first, i want to bring in a spokesman for the muslim brotherhood who joins us by phone. at this point, do you know where president morsy is right now? >> yeah. he's under house arrest at the president guard headquarters. >> there have been reports that as many as 300 muslim brotherhood members, that there are arrest warrants out for them. is that what you understand? >> yes.
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i can only confirm that the head of the party and the previous head of the elected egyptian parliament, as well as the leader of the muslim brotherhood. >> supporters of this action by the military say this is not a coup. they say this is the will of the egyptian people that has been demonstrated in the massive turnouts over the last several days throughout egypt. to you, what is this and what happens next >> i am afraid that is a pathetic excuse. everyone saw the images on tv. the military decided to side track the democratic process and decided to topple the democratically elected president. [ indiscernible ]
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one protester has been shot in the leg already. if that's not a coup, what is a coup? >> what happens now as far as you're concerned? what will you do now? what does the muslim brotherhood do now? >> well, we do what we do best, we stay on the streets and we stick to our principles. until the scene changes and if it doesn't, who knows? at the end of the day, we are committed. [ indiscernible ] people need to elect their leaders. they need to change the course of their country according to their will. [ indiscernible ]
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>> so as far as you see, you plan to continue to have demonstrations in the streets? you intend to have all your members out in the streets for as long as possible? >> for as long as feasible, yes. [ indiscernible ] it has to be through the democratically elected representatives of the people, not through self-appointed representatives. >> appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. i want to go to ivan watson and ben wedeman, with christiane amanpour. ivan, what is the latest that you've been seeing? what's the latest there? >> anderson, this is the biggest
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party we've seen in tahrir square since 2011 when hosni mubarak was overthrown. helicopters circling overhead, people cheering and it's now 2:00 in the morning. there are two narratives for what has happened. as you just heard, supporters of the muslim brotherhood saying this is a military coup. and the people you talk to in tahrir square saying no, it was mohammed morsy who was acting increasingly undemocratic, and we needed the military's help to push him out of power. and what's striking is seeing some very prominent liberal voices, like muhammad elbaradei, the nobel peace prize winner, who was a former harsh critic of the egyptian military, now standing side by side with the top egyptian military general and defending this action stripping morsy of his powers, calling it a correctional of the
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2011 revolution. >> ben, you've been at a pro morsy rally all day long. what does happen next? for how long can this be kind of two rallies, these two various camps with large numbers of supporters and each one continues? >> it's important to stress, anderson, that the number of people at that pro morsy valley is just a drop in the bucket compared to the tens of thousands of people who are still streaming into tahrir square. now, as we were leaving that location, we passed through a mosque, and i saw hundreds of men sleeping on the floor. as i made my way around their sleeping bodies, i stopped by one man who was awake, and i said how long are you going to stay here? he told me days, weeks, we may die here. but we are going to stay here until mohammed morsy is once
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again president of egypt. i think it's important to stress that even though the focus at the moment is on the celebrations, the fireworks, the joy, the excitement over what has happened in tahrir square, there's a significant portion of the egyptian population. i wouldn't suggest it's majority who are very upset at what has happened. you have to realize, if you speak to analysts, they'll say there's a bedrock of about 30% of the egyptian electorate that always votes for the muslim brotherhood. when you disen franchise 30% of the electorate, that comes with risks. and we're already seeing violence in alexandria, violence in upper egypt. so this is not like the 2011 revolution when the supporters of hosni mubarak sort of went home and were quiet for months and months. there's not going to be the
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quiet after the storm here in egyptian this time around. >> christiane amanpour, it seems impossible to predict what happens in the next 24, 48, 72 hours. >> that's right. as they've been saying, our colleagues out there, the muslim brotherhood doesn't want to give up. president morsy has said i'm not going to give up. he's even calling for dialogue right now under house arrest. i any what's really critical is this battle over the word "coup," this battle. and it's going to be played out in how the united states responds, what does it mean in terms of aid to egypt. and if it's proven and true that they're running around issuing arrest warrants for all these people, whether they're attacking and closing down various media outlets, doing that kind of thing, there's very little other than you can call it a coup. as one analyst said to me, look, no matter what it's called, no
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matter if it's a supreme court judge, the head of the constitutional court is going to be the interim president, it's umpired by the president. no matter what it is, it's the army in charge. no matter who they put there to be in charge. >> the obama administration didn't use the word coup because that brings with it repercussions. >> general dempsey told candy crowley earlier if it's determined this is a coup, that will trigger various u.s. reactions, because there are laws that determine our aid and all of this. so i think the next while is going to be absolutely critical and it's a paradox. here you have the first elected government which didn't perform as the people wanted now being drummed out by the military, called on by so many millions of egyptians. >> can you explain, as we look at these extraordinary pictures from tahrir square. i know it's a lot of different
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groups there and people there for different reasons. but can you explain their opposition to the government run by the muslim brotherhood? >> well, as far as the opposition goes, i mean, really, it's a divided group and now the table is turned and the muslim brotherhood is going to be in the political wilderness. it's a whole different ball game, but something that the muslim brotherhood is accustomed to existing. you have to remember for decades, the brotherhood existed in the political wilderness, in a secret world. and they developed all sorts of mechanisms to hide their activities from not only the government, but people in general. and to that engendered among many egyptians a deep suspicion about the nature of the muslim
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brotherhood, about their actions and their intentions. and really, we've kind of gone full circle. we're back to where the muslim brotherhood members are being arrested, put under house arrest. it really -- we've come full circle. but this time around, they've tasted power. they've had for one year, one of their own as president of egypt. now they're back in the wilderness again. we'll see how they act. >> i think one thing to diminish the possibility of a bad backlash, even if it's 10, 15 years down the line, where even more hardline islamists could come to fore, the muslim brotherhood was doing a good job showing it's unable to govern. that is why the people are angry. there's practically a failed state. the economy is terrible. so all of that irritated the people. you've also got a classic
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division between secularists, liberals and the religious base. so it's possible, you know, the muslim brotherhood would have been voted out the next election. now they are the victims on this international stage. no matter the rights the people say they have, this group of governors didn't perform and we're voting them out by a popular uprising. the other thing is this was meant to be an example of democracy in the arab spring and it's been halted for the moment. >> stay with us. you heard from the muslim brotherhood. next we'll talk to a member of the key opposition. we'll talk to him where he sees this going next. let us know what you think on twitter. we'll talk about it during the commercial. and later, final day in the zimmerman trial when the prosecution is expected to rest. we'll be right back. let's play:
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[ male announcer ] a family that vacations together, sunscreens together. find a hilton everywhere you want to go with rates as low as $109 per night. book now at hilton.com/getaway. back now with breaking news out of egypt. about five hours ago, the military deposed mohammed morsy, the country's first democratically elected president. when word of the coup came, demonstrators erupted. here's what it looked like. >> may god preserve egypt and its people. >> in the moment that the announcement was made that the constitution would be suspended,
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a huge cheer erupted behind me. and now some egyptians are applauding and celebrating this move. >> the mood here is very stark, very angry, and we're hearing also chants of "victory or martyrdom." >> morsy is being held under house arrest. he won 52% of the vote last year, egypt's first democratically elected president. earlier, he said he's still the legitimate president. i'm joined now by the opposition. thank you very much for being wuls. those people who oppose what is happening now, what the military
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has dope, say this is a coup, clear and simple. how is this not a coup, in your opinion? >> well, there is nothing simple about it, anderson. there's nothing simple about it at all. for the past month, we have been calling for mohammed morsy to step down and to do it democratically by resigning his office because of his mismanagement of the country and to call for early elections, which is purely democratic in any system. >> wait, let me stop you right there, let me stop you right there. actually, democracy is when you vote somebody out of office. this is a guy -- and i'm not a defender of his, i'm not a supporter of his in any way, but isn't democracy done at the ballot box, not by getting the military involved and putting bodies on the street? >> exactly. but when you have a political process, that's the idea. we don't have a political process, because mohammed morsy has deprived this count try from a real parliament, from any kind
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of format of political process, of political institution. he has deprived us of any channels to change any kind of policies that have been done or mismanagement that has been dope in this country for the past year. we didn't have any outlet or any way to be heard unless we go down to the street and chant our demands. and even though he ignored us, and even though we have chanted, we have cam paged, we have done everything outside of the political process, because we've been deprived of any kind of a political format of a trustworthy dialogue channel with this president. and we've seen failure over failure. we've seen our foreign affairs compromised. we've seen us threatened. the case with the nile was a great disaster. >> what do you want to see happen now? what do you hope happens now?
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morsy apparently according to the muslim brotherhood is under house arrest. there are reports that there are arrest warrants for up to 300 muslim brotherhood members. they still have a large amount of support in the country, despite mismanagement that has occurred. what do you want to happen next? >> i must say that the supporters of mohammed morsy have shrunk staggeringly, because he has made enemies of everybody. even a bigger part or the bigger chunk of the islamists in egypt. what we have to understand that for a very clear reason, mohammed morsy is not -- does not want to recognize the will of the people and he wants to cling however he can to his failed policies. what happened, the military aligns its action with the demands of the people so we can avoid a civil war, that the president openly in a speech
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yesterday, has called for. when you've been held hostage by a mad president that's threatening you with his followers, that they're going to shoot you down, and that's what actually happened yesterday. mass shootings happened from his supporters to actually not even the civilian protesters, but civilians at their homes. what we want now is for the road map that we have proposed to go through. what we need is the full support of the international community. what's happening now is that there's a smearing campaign against the people. you're trying to tell me that half of the population is in the streets and more than half of the population is in support of mohammed morsy. then you want me to feel hostage, to a failed political system that he's installed with no political process for me to change any of his policies that he has. then you're arguing with me that this is not democratic.
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when you find a president that was calling for civil war and his supporters are armed with machine guns, with bin laden t-shirts and telling you we waged war before in afghanistan, we can do it again, we can turn you into the algeria state of '92, and you hear that for the whole month. and when the army as an institution of this country alines itself with the people and tries to actually stop any kind of civil violent or civil war and then you -- >> i hear you. >> i must say there's a clear message that has to be delivered to the american media. you're doing hell of a bad pr. >> sir, i'm not a pr agent. my job is not to do pr for you or anybody else. we're talking about the use of the word coup. you don't want to use that word. just because you don't want to use it doesn't mean i don't get to use it or the u.s. government
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doesn't get to use it. this is what we debate in america. this is how our democracy works. i appreciate you coming on. i want to get christiane amanpour's take on what we just heard as well as our other panelists. clearly emotions are running high on both sides. >> you just heard the opposition there say look, what we wanted walls something politically advanced, some inclusive politics. we didn't get it and took to the streets. they say look, this is the will of the people being manifested. the problem is, there is going to be the battle over semantics. this rhetorical war over what this is. >> he said the media is using the word coup. this is something all government also have to decide whether or not this is a coup. >> that's right. and there is a very huge pr campaign in egypt to actually discredit the language that is being used outside to describe it.
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>> i get supporters of what is going on not wanting to use that word. it's a loaded word, no doubt about it. >> there is no political system in egypt, as we all know. the only group that existed in politics was the muslim brotherhood, but they were organized. they had huge grassroots networks. they had fantastic charity arms and wings in the mosques. they were really able to organize. the opposition does not have that kind of organization. it's very divided. there are no political parties. so this is what's happening. politics is happening on the streets. the people have gone out. they've called on the military to take their side and the military has. although the military refused to put it that way, and they say -- here's the other thing. if mohammed morsy had done what he said today at the 11th hour, it was too late. he didn't say it last night in
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his speech on television. he didn't say it a week ago. >> and let's remember, the muslim brotherhood is a group which said back during the revolution that they weren't going to run for public office. then they betrayed that comment. >> there is a lot of distrust with many people. but there are supporters for the other side, as well. so as a practical matter beyond the heat and emotion of the moment, as a practical matter, it's going to be very, very important somewhat happens next. it's going to be really important that the next bit of this process locks to be transparent, does not look like it's being run by the military. although the military is the umpire. >> i want to bring back in ben wedeman and sheera amin. what is your view of what is going on? and what happens now more importantly? if the muslim brotherhood can be rounded up, officials can be rounded up, they still do have support in segments of the
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country. that's not going to disappear. so what happens in the political process? >> that's the big question at the moment, what happens now? because people are out there celebrating. there's a very festive spirit. but a few people only are not just heaving a sigh of relief to see the back of the muslim brotherhood, they are concerned about what comes next. i haven't seen any pictures of islamist supporters yet to gauge their reactions to all of this. i know that they've said they will put up a fight to defend legitimacy, but not just that. perhaps even wage jihad, holy war to defend islam. so that to me is very worrying. and i am very concerned indeed. i hope we won't see a repeat of the algeria scenario. egypt is different, of course,
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from algeria, but i'm worried about a terrorist attack. >> bin ladeen, in terms of the potential of violence, it remains great throughout the country. >> of course it does. during the 1980s, in particular the 1990s, there was an urban war by islamic militants, not the muslim brotherhood, but islamic jihad that left hundreds, if not thousands of egyptians dead and therefore people are -- the memory of that very difficult period which culminated in 1997 with the massacre of almost 60 tourist is very fresh in people's minds. and certainly the possibility that if the muslim brotherhood is completely eradicated from the political equation, and the rounding up of 300 top members, the silencing of their
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television stations, certainly does not bode well for including them somehow in a diminished role in a post revolution so called 2.0 egypt. anderson? >> and that's a key point. what role, if any, would they have in any new election? >> who knows? i was speaking to a top military official today and said oh, mohammed morsy is going to be free, he can do what he wants. maybe partake in the next elections. the next thing we hear is he's under house arrest. look, we don't know. but there's always a risk with sidelining what is, let's not beat around the bush, a massive group who supports him. so i do believe that the whole idea from the beginning was inclusion. the military said to the president and to the opposition, my ultimatum is to get together and resolve your different senses. they talked about national reconciliation and inclusion.
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in fact, today in the military's speech, the defense chief said there must be a committee for national recop silluation. does that committee include the muslim brotherhood? it's going to be very interesting to see. he dissolved the constitution, we've got an interim president for who knows how long and they have to have new elections. >> fascinating day. >> and a key ally of israel, as well. >> all of you there in cairo, stay safe. we'll check back in throughout the hour. coming up next, the zimmerman trial. the prosecution almost finished. could rest its case on friday. possibly with testimony from trayvon martin's mother. and also an update on the fire that took those 19 lives in arizona. we know it's your most important videoconference of the day. hi! hi, buddy! that's why the free wifi and hot breakfast are something to smile about. book a great getaway now and feel the hamptonality
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as we continue to monitor the developments out of cairo, a big day back home in the trial of george zimmerman in what's turning out to be a speedier trial than first predicted. the prosecution called several key witnesses. friday morning we anticipate they'll rest after trayvon martin's mother takes the stand. lots to talk about with our expert panel. we get underway right now though, with martin savidge. >> reporter: though a symbol to many, the hooded sweat shirt trayvon martin wore the night he was killed is also a key piece of evidence. the state expert said he found no trace of george zimmerman's dna on that sweatshirt, not even on the sleeves or cuffs nearest to the fists the defense says trayvon martin was hitting him with. and no zimmerman dna was found
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under martin's fingernails. and was trayvon martin's dna found on the gun? >> a swab or dna that you developed from the pistol grip of the defendant's gun, it was positive for blood, correct? >> yes. >> and then there was a mixture, the major was matched to the defendant, george zimmerman. >> yes. >> and you were able to exclude trayvon martin as having dna on the pistol grip, is that correct? >> yes. trayvon martin was excluded to being a possible contributor to this mixture on the grip. >> reporter: the hoody was also tested who said zimmerman's gun was actually touching the fabric when he fired the fatal shot. >> what did you find distance wise when you conducted the test with this sweatshirt? >> this as well was consistent with physical effects of a contact shot. >> so again, evidencing that the end of the gun was against the
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material when it was fired? >> yes. >> reporter: the prosecution also pointed out the night he killed martin, zimmerman carried a fully loaded weapon ready to fire. but on cross-examination, the defense got the witness to admit that was not out of the ordinary. >> you did not consider that to be an unusual occurrence? >> no. >> reporter: earlier, the state was out to show that zimmerman did not just want to be a cop, he was trying to learn how to become one, studying criminal justice at a local college. >> how are you doing, george? >> reporter: on a stand, a former professor described zimmerman as one of his best student and gave him an a. zimmerman said he knew nothing of florida's stand your ground law the night he killed martin. but the professor said it was a frequent source of discussion in the class. >> i wanted to teach the class where these students can really relate and take something from it and apply it to their own lives. you know, with florida and other states, they have what's called
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the stand your ground law, which evolved from the castle doctrine through case law. >> did you cover that specifically? >> yes. >> did you discuss specifically self-defense and stand your ground law in connection with violent crime? >> yes. >> reporter: it was the testimony of another professor that provided one of the trial's few lighter moments. gordon pleasants appeared in court by a skype. [ indiscernible ] >> reporter: first, there was sound problems. then came the digital demons. >> we have someone calling. >> reporter: as his face and name were carried on national tv, people began calling it, disrupting the testimony. a frustrated judge ordered the video call stopped with the defense finally catching on to what was happening. >> there's now a really good chance that we're being toyed with.
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>> reporter: in court, the judge announced the state planned to arrest. that didn't happen and won't until friday, after the fourth of july holiday. martin savidge, cnn, sanford, florida. >> let's dig deeper now with lawrence kobalinski. sunny hostin, marcia clark. also criminal defense attorneys jose baez and mark geragos. what do you make of the forensic evidence you heard today? the firearm expert talked about the gun being pressed up against trayvon martin's chest, and yet that is different than what the autopsy report is. >> indeed. it's a contradiction as to the distance the muzzle was from the clothing and the body. but i think if you think about it carefully, the bullet has to penetrate two items of clothing
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before it hits the body. medical examiners looking at the body looking for stippling, which comes from the burning particles that are on the skin. because there were these two items of clothing in between, you could see differences. you wouldn't necessarily see that stippling. therefore the medical examiner concluded it was not a contact shot, whereas the ballistics expert concluded properly it was a contact shot. >> does it really matter, though, in terms of the end result? >> the bottom line is, it was a struggle. it wasn't a shot from a distance. it's consistent with a struggle. >> mark, the prosecution established that zimmerman's gun didn't have an external safety, that it was ready to fire. the defense tried to counter. i want to play that. >> you say that a person, mr.
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zimmerman since we know it to be his gun -- >> yes. >> -- would have racked it to make sure it was ready to fire and put another bullet in the magazine and reloaded it, correct? >> yes. >> as a matter of fact, probably every law enforcement gun you've had a chance to see, that is normal, that there is one racked in the chamber and a full magazine, correct? >> yes. >> military do that, correct? >> i'm not sure. >> so mark, clearly the prosecution is trying to paint zimmerman as a trigger happy wannabe cop with a bullet in the chamber. it seems like the defense did a good job of pointing out that's not so unusual. >> not only is it not unusual, but if you're in a situation where you want to defend yourself, that's exactly what you do. that's why cops do it. it's why the military does it. i suppose it's why somebody on neighborhood watch does it. so i don't understand what the point of that witness was,
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because it ended up at best helping the defense. >> sunny, zimmerman's criminal justice professor was on the stand. i want to play part of his testimony. >> on the issue of injuries, though, when you talk about that with the class and your understanding of the law is that the focus is what's going on in the person's mind, not whether they have actually been injured. it's the fear of the injury, is it not? >> the fact that there wasn't injury at all doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't reasonable apprehension of fear. >> you don't have to wait until you're almost dead before you can defend yourself? >> no, i would advise you probably don't do that. [ laughter ] >> a rare point where we saw george zimmerman laugh. sunny, that witness was brought in by the prosecution to show that george zimmerman knew about self-defense rules and stand your ground, but the defense was able to use him to bolster their
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case, as well. >> the defense certainly used the witness to instruck the jury about stand your ground. what was interesting is that george zimmerman, in his interview with sean hannity was asked had you ever heard of stand your ground? he said no. he repeated no. yet this witness says, well, i talked about it all the time in class. i talked about it practically. so i think that the jury is not going to forget that. they're going to see that there was perhaps a lie there. why do you lie about whether or not you know stand your ground? you lie because you -- the jury can infer from that, or the police officers can infer that you frame the narrative. >> jose, the defense was able to get out of that professor that it's not about the severity of the injuries, but the way the injuries made george zimmerman feel in the moment of struggle.
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>> i'm a little shocked that the judge allowed this type of testimony to be admitted to begin with. i've never heard of a witness instructing the jury on the law. that's generally reserved for the judge to do. to they were able to score a major home run here by, you know, in essence a grand slam to have a witness say, you know, you can't wait until you're dead and what the parameters of self-defense are. it's a dream witness. >> mark, it does seem like -- >> i don't understand -- what i don't understand is why didn't the prosecution object to this? when they question, objection, motion to strike. >> marcia, let me ask you about that. this is another prosecution witness the defense is able to score some points with. >> they did. they did it because of course by having him explain the law. what's unfortunate is he didn't make it clear enough, anderson. he should have said what
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someone's injuries are doesn't resolve the question as to whether the shooter reasonably believed he was in imminent danger of death or great bodily injury. someone can point a gun at your head, inflict no injuries and put you in reasonable fear of death. so the fact that george zimmerman, what kind of injuries he has is not what resolved the question of whether he reasonably believed it and he was imminently in danger. what the point of those injuries is, versus what he says, is that it shows him to be lying. that's the point of it. the point of showing that his injuries were rather as described by another witness insignificant goes to impeach his statement that trayvon martin was beating him the way he was. that's the point of all that. what the teacher was saying was something rather academic, as a point of law we don't have to show any injuries to prove reasonable belief in imminent death. that's all. it's just too bad if it wasn't explained, i did not hear it
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explained in that manner. and hopefully the prosecution will to counter it. >> everyone, stick around. i want to dig deeper into the up and down side of calling trayvon martin's mom as a prosecution witness. we'll talk to that and talk to the martin family attorney darrell parks, next. at university of phoenix we kis where it can take you.cation (now arriving: city hospital) which is why we're proud to help connect our students with leading employers across the nation. (next stop: financial center)
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as we said earlier, mark o'mara acknowledged this trial is proceeding quickly. the question is whether or not it's going especially well, and whether the prosecution needs to call trayvon martin's mother to identify the voice on the 911 call. just some of the questions for martin family attorney darrell parks. early today, there were thoughts that the prosecution could wall trayvon martin's moth tore testify. do you expect she will testify on friday? >> anderson, there's a strong possibility she will take the stand. >> what about trayvon martin's brother? there's someone who expect maybe
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he will be asked to testify, as well. >> there's a very strong possibility he will testify. >> how important to the prosecution's case do you think their testimony is in terms of identifying whose voice it is on that 911 call? >> well, they call them to the stand, i would assume that it's very important to their case. however, i'm not the lawyer trying the case, so i have to defer to whatever their strategy is. if they call them, i would suspect that they expect to get very strong testimony from them in this case. >> the state presented evidence about zimmerman's past, about his education case work. mark o'mara told me he believes that opens the door for more discussion of trayvon martin's history. do you think that should bed a misable, that one opens up the door to the other? >> not at all. we know clearly that trayvon martin was trying to get away from zimmerman.
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when he approached george zimmerman, he asked him, why are you following me? so trayvon's past has nothing to do with that interaction. we really know that from what happened in this case that george zimmerman was following trayvon and almost three different times came close to him and had an opportunity to say who he was and failed to do so. as you heard from the detectives, quite possibly had he done that, this situation would have never happened. we think that his background and also you have to take into perspective that his interaction with the detectives where mark o'mara has come forth with the theory that george zimmerman was acting in good faith, all the things he's done to bolster george zimmerman's testimony goes into the knowledge he has and the experience dealing with these self-defense situations, knowing that if he appeared to cooperate with law enforcement, that would go to his benefit. he learned all these things at
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his college that he attended. >> how concerned are you about the prosecution's case at this point? i mean, they're basically one day away from resting their case. there's a lot of analysts, former prosecutors, defense attorneys who are looking at this case and saying they don't see that the state has done a successful job of proving second degree murder. perhaps the jury will come back with a manslaughter charge. are you confident with the way the prosecution's case has unfolded in the testimony of a lot of the prosecution's witnesses which a lot of analysts say has worked toward the benefit of the defense. >> i have to tell you, anderson, i'm sitting in that courtroom every day. unlike these other analysts who do not have an opportunity to witness the jury, do not have an opportunity to see all the evidence, to see the interaction, to see the jurors and how they're responding to the evidence, i don't think they get the full body of it. >> you think you're seeing
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something that the tv isn't showing? >> right. they can't see the jurors. i can see the jurors. i see when for example today when the expert was showing the contact of the gun, i saw everyone of them except for one was engaged in writing. it was very powerful. now, someone sitting in l.a., he would never get that. but i saw it. >> were you surprised by the testimony, for instance of the lead investigator on the case? a number of people observing it said that they had never heard a police officer called by the prosecution give testimony that was so favorable to a defense. >> i think also we have to remember how this case unfolded in terms of the investigation, interacting with the police department, the case being taken over by the florida department of law enforcement, somewhat involvement from the fbi. no one likes for someone to come in and take over nar case. i think at the end of the day, you have to remember one thing that came out of his testimony
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is he thought that george zimmerman was exaggerating his injuries. and so you have to take it -- it's an up and down thing. >> you think there may be some ill will on the part of the lead investigator the way he was taken off this case? >> i wouldn't say there's ill will. because he had mixed emotions, at the end of the day he wanted him to be charged, at least with manslaughter. so i would rest my opinion on that. >> darrell parks, appreciate you being with us. thanks. >> thank you. >> back with our panel. mark geragos, what are you thinking as you look forward to prosecution resting on friday and then the defense, how much longer, what do you think the defense is going to put on the stand to bolster their case? >> first thing, anderson, when he talks about the analysts sitting in l.a., i want you to know i'm in berkeley tonight, not l.a. the second thing is, i think
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that he telegraphed it, they're not going to call just one family member but two family members, which i think will then cause the defense to call george zimmerman's father. and i think, and mark doesn't need me giving him advice, but my guess is it would be each better if he book ended it right after those two witnesses, if they rest with those two witnesses. >> marcia clark, do you see the defense putting on a robust defense for many days? >> no, i don't. i don't think they need to. as we've noted, in many of our discussions, the defense has been able to try their case within the prosecution's case. i think it will be relatively brief. i think they'll rest next week. >> sunny hostin, do you agree with that? >> absolutely. i don't think the defense is going to put on a long case at all, maybe two, three witnesses at most. we could be looking at a verdict by next week. >> jose baez, what are you anticipating from the defense and prosecution on friday? >> i agree with most of the
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panel. they're going to call the family, the prosecution is, and then i think the defense will counter with tracy martin. but i think that the defense is going to put on dr. demayo. you don't hire a superstar like that and not call him. i fully anticipate we're going to see him take center stage in the defense's case. >> from a forensic standpoint? >> i totally grow. looking at the totality of the evidence, i think the state has not reached that high bar for second degree murder. i see nothing inconsistent with george zimmerman's story. i think the state's case is slip sliding away. >> well, we'll see. thank you very much. appreciate all our panelists. up next, a first look at the destruction of that wildfire in arizona that claimed the lives of 19 firefighters. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down
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back home, the first look at the damage from the fire that took the lives of 19 elite hot shots. "360's" gary tuchman reports that flames have died down, but officials are concerned it could flare up at any time. the state department says it's cutting back after an inspector general's report documented excessive spending to promote its facebook presence. the money for two ad campaigns totalling $630,000 did not serve its purpose. and a "360" follow. cnn has obtained a video of american kenneth bay who was sentenced in april to 15 years hard labor in north korea. in the tape he appeals for authorities to forgive him and asks the u.s. government to help secure his release. and she was tiffany's vp of product development, but the justice department says he dabbled in product acquisition. she's charged with stealing 165 pieces of tiffany jewels, totalling $1.3 million in value.
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first, a day of crucial testimony in the zimmerman trial. the gun. >> that's all someone would need to do to fire a shot if it was fully loaded? >> yes. >> the hoody. >> do you know whose blood that was?