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>> i got a partial dna profile, and that matched trayvon martin. >> the dna. >> this would be a buckle swab taken from george zimmerman. >> where does the case stand right now as the prosecution begins to wind down its case? the zimmerman trial in black and white. my exclusive with the man who defended o.j. simpson in his murder trial. i want to begin with cnn's martin savidge, live for us in sanford, florida. martin, another day, another gripping series of witnesses, t happened today. >> a lot of forensics, piers. experts and evidence. much of the afternoon talking about dna, specifically whose dna was found where or not found. and the focus became on the gun. the gun that george zimmerman
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used to shoot 17-year-old trayvon martin. george zimmerman said at one point trayvon was, he believed, reaching for his gun and may have got a hand on it. what did the dna testing find? take a listen. >> the dna that you developed in the pistol grip of the defendant's gun is positive for blood, correct? >> yes. >> and then there was a mixture. that matched the defendant george zimmerman and you were able toex cloud trayvon martin martin as having dna on the pistol grip, is that correct? >> yes, trayvon martin was excluded as possible contributor to the mixture on the grip. >> simply put it, it means trayvon martin's dna was not found on the gun and that could of course hurt the defense. piers? >> we sort of thought that was the case. i guess today was evidence under oath that is likely to have bend the case.
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where are we left in terms of george zimmerman's claim that his life was at risk? >> well, you know, we should point out that of course the jury here, most of them came in with a limited knowledge of the case. we know and discuss it all every night. they did not know what the dna test results were. for them, this was truly new information. how they digest it and what they get from it remains to be seen. self defense is the maintaining issue here that the defense is putting out and they believe they have held up well despite the worst that the prosecution has delivered. prosecution's not quite done, but they are pretty close. piers? >> they are not quite done but may have their trump card up their sleeve. i saw one of the family terns on anderson show saying it is likely that trayvon's mother and his brother may give evidence on friday. ta could be highly emotional. very difficult to cross-examine i would have thought the mother
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of a young, dead teenager. how effective could that be for ending the prosecution case and going in to a weekend, 48 hours for the jury to think about it. before the defense really gets a chance to come back. >> extremely powerful. in fact that's probably the way it will play out. that's what most legal minds have been following here. think of it you would have the brother and on top of that you have trayvon martin's mother who gets up and says, yes, the voice you hear screaming for help is my son and that is just seconds before he dies. it would be so powerful for the jury to hear and on top of that there's nothing the defense can do. they are not about to cross-examine a grieving mother. you simply cannot. you know that is how the prosecution will end it and most likely let the jury think about it for saturday and sunday, over the weekend, piers. >> and the word dynamic, martin, this could be over as early as next week. early part of the week thereafter. this is coming to a dramatic
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end. martin savidge, thank you very much indeed. trayvon mart trayvon martin parents will be in listening to the testimony. will they take the stand? >> i heard ben crump suggesting earlier it is likely they will both take the standthe best person to identify who is screaming on the tape. >> you haven't collectively established enough evidence to get a murder charge against george zimmerman. how do you feel as you approach the end of the prosecution? >> i disagree with that.
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i think they have closing arguments where they will tie the loose ends and they have rebuttal. the trial isn't over and i think we haven't seen them tie up loose ends. i have seen loose ends i know will be tied up in closing. >> in talking to martin savidge, though we in the media and you on the legal side have had great knowledge of the case, it was probably the first time to date the jury actually heard evidence directly from an expert, forensics expert that there was no trayvon dna on that gun. how significant was that moment in court do you think today? >> i think it is very significant. we also heard evidence there was no george zimmerman on trayvon's hands or under his fingernails or on the cuffs of his sleeves. we have seen a bloody picture of george zimmerman. there's no dna of trayvon except for a few spots on george zimmerman's jacket. i think this is very important. i think the jury is going to
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wonder why are trayvon's hands not -- they don't have the dna and why the gun doesn't have the dna. >> there's another theory that the -- that the prosecution case was from the very start destined to fail, but you went for the murder charge because it was more likely you could get a lesser conviction of manslaughter. is there any merit to that argument? >> i think there is no merit to that. we have heard theories that the star witness of the case would be john good or rachal. but he is the star witness of the case. listen to the non-emergency call that he made where he made by his own admission he categorized trayvon in the group of these a-holes and "fing" punks. that is enough to show he was the aggressor here.
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>> thank you for joining me. >> thank you. what maybe the biggest unanswered question in the case will george zimmerman take the stand. robert shapiro is joining me now. nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> what's the answer to that question, do you think. >> let me give you the background. first it starts with the jury selection. let me ask you, do you consider yourself a fair person? >> yes. >> and you like to hear both sides of the story before making a decision. >> yeah. >> i take it you would like to hear my client mr. zimmerman tell his story. would that be true? >> that would be true. >> let me ask you something, while we're talking here -- you are a professional but most people who wouldn't be a professional if i'm asking you questions on television would you be nervous. >> i wouldn't be but most people are quite nervous. >> as quite nervous, do you
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think people interpret somebody's being nervous as perhaps not being truthful. >> or overly defensive. >> or overly defensive. >> and for that reason there is nothing to gain by putting him on the stand. we already have five effective statements from him. >> i would first make sure that every one of the jurors understood that the decision to take the stand is going to be my decision. there are reasons why i wouldn't have somebody take the stand, just being nervous. perhaps that alone would make you think maybe he's not being truthful. maybe he's not forth right. on the other hand, we establish that people want to hear both sides of the story. so then i would talk to the jurors and say, in a civil case you get to do that. that's the way that fair justice happens, but only money is at stake. in a criminal case the burden of proof is on the prosecution and
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it never, ever changes. we're not required to do anything. >> is there anything to be gained by zimmerman taking the stand, given the amount of material from his own mouth that we have already heard? >> yes. >> what is that? >> the jury can see him, look him in the eye and that's the best way to make a determination if you are believing that person was actually in fear for his life. >> how much could the defense decision on this process and in george zimmerman's rest potentially on trayvon's family taking the snand that could be a very powerful moment. it could be the moment when the balance, if you like, in this trial switches back to the prosecution case. could that be a tipping point for them to say we have to have george up there? >> you know, it's so hard to evaluate. obviously, when the family members testify and the defense then gets a chance to cross examine, what i would probably
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do is say other than offering my sympathies i have no further questions. >> because you can't win in the cross-examination of a grieving mother? >> or any grieving relative of a victim. that's just not going to work. the defense is really faced with a dilemma. zimmerman has in fact testified. he testified on a video. he testified on the audio. he's been interviewed by the police, who gave their version of his testimony. so the jury at least knows his story. it would be icing on the cake if they have heard it from him, but there's tremendous risk and that is anxiety, nervousness, inconsistencies. you say something a little bit different than you said it before. and the other thing is that chair is the most difficult chair in the world to sit in. i don't care how good of a witness you are.
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you could be a cop that has testified. >> i gave evidence once in a court case. it was terrifying. five hours on the stand with a top lawyer coming at me like a ten-ton truck and though i had a lot of experience in courtrooms as a reporter i found it a terrifying experience. >> and that is the case with everybody and you are a professional and most people get up there and they are scared. >> how's your view of how the prosecution has done so far? mark geragos says they have been going to hard -- and now manslaughter. >> the prosecution generally over charges in a case that's a high-profile case and the other thing is they overtry the case. they call many witnesses that are totally unnecessary. they call a witness to tell you if you hit your head on the ground you may bleed.
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that insults the jury. >> have they ever played the hand? >> i think they have overcharged. >> really should have been manslaughter. >> absolutely. >> more chance of winning. >> i haven't heard any evidence whatsoever there is malice on the part of george zimmerman. >> what about the tape when he says these punks and a holes and so on. he's clearly in his head identifying trayvon martin who doesn't know at all as a potential "a" hole punk. isn't that intent to think badly of this person. >> malice is a legal term. it's not a generic term. legal malice is that you do have ill will toward someone. >> isn't that ill will? >> i think it could be interpreted by people as ill will. again, you have the reasonable doubt standard they have to get over. could it be, yes? >> here's my point. without george zimmerman looking at trayvon martin and thinking
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"a" hole "fing" punk and so on, and say police saying you don't need to follow it. he wanted to be a cop and didn't quite make it. this is one of his moments and he's had quite a few of it. he didn't need to think of this and in his head he is thinking "a" hole punk and i keep coming back to that with racial profiling or this is a bad person he is coming at him with malicious intent, isn't it? >> i don't know but that is a key. >> is that a key question? >> that is a key question and that's what the lawyers will be arguing in their closing argument and that the jury will be sitting on and deciding. they are going to decide two things. they are going to decide whether, as a matter of law, there was malice and whether or not they believe zimmerman's testimony that it was self
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defense. >> do you believe it? >> i haven't heard him testify directly. >> from what you have seen of the statements and interviews? >> yes. >> we're in los angeles. a lot of people fearing that if there is no conviction at all here there could be race riots and so on. do you feel as a motive, say the o.j. simpson case? >> i don't want to compare anything to the simpson case. i really don't talk about the simpson case. this is a highly strung, divisive case. it is divided among african-americans and caucasians, unfortunately. i just hope that people believe in the jury system. that they don't judge people on moral guilt. they judge people on legal guilt. if they do, and they believe in our system of justice, then hopefully we will have a peaceful ending of this.
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>> final question, robert. briefly if i may, stand your ground law which hasn't been used in this case but could have been at one stage, does that have any place really in a modern, civilized society? is it not just an excuse for almost every gang banger thug in america to say, hey, i was just acting in self defense. >> we will see the opposite side of that in the oscar pistorius case where in south africa you can not use deadly force unless deadly force is used upon you. so i agree with you. >> fascinating. thank you very much. come back and see me. the state is closing in on the end of their case. what does the jury think. and later, egypt's president is out but is it a coup? we will go thrive cairo. i think farmers care more about the land
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favor of the prosecution case? >> i think it can be significant in the sense that it will be very emotional testimony. no doubt it will have a huge impact on the jury to heard trayvon's mother testifying. i'm sure she will probably break down as you l would imagine. my mother lost two sons so i know how horrible and tragic it is to lose a child, but will it add any elements to the case? no, it will not add any elements. the spite, ill will and intent is absent. the phrases uttered do not do it because they have to be tied to the result that ended in the death. there is a huge intervening cause here which is that fight. i don't see them getting second-degree murder through and i don't see the elements for manslaughter. what it could do is motivate a jury that otherwise was not going to convict to say, you know what this is so tragic that even though they haven't proven
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the case we don't with murder and will go with manslaughter as a compromise. after that is another question. >> to me, looking at this, if you ended up with a manslaughter conviction and he got two to three years in jail, i might stand back and go, that's a pretty fair conclusion to a very complex case. i don't think he's a cold blooded murderer, but i don't think he should get away with killing a 17 unarmed boy. what i have been hearing so far he could get as much as 10 to 15 years for manslaughter because of trayvon's age. >> i tend to believe it could be a lot more than that. what happens is under florida law manslaughter is a second-degree felony punishable up to 15 years. if the person is under 18 an it was actually -- this was actually charged with a crime against a minor then it automatically goes up to 30
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years as aggravated manslaughter and it can be enhanced to 30 years because of the use of a firearm. in my analysis he would be facing a maximum of 30 which would mean the minimum might be, the minimum might be ten to 12 years. i would have to calculate it and this judge may give him 20, 25. i have no idea what she is thinking. >> it makes little difference whether he is convicted of second-degree murder or manslaughter under that situation. so really all or knot nothing for george zimmerman, isn't it? >> if it is enhanced the way i think it will be, they could win the battle and lose the war, absolutely. >> would you put him on the stand? particularly if the trayvon family members testimony is really heart wrenching and you sense the jury moved by them. >> honestly, i don't see any percentage in. that the jury has already heard his testimony. you are going to subject him to
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cross-examination on the inconsistencies and there are inconsistencies but i will tell you this, they are minor. i press anyone to give a significant inconsistency here that sets aside his self defense claim and you run the risk of him looking nervous and perceived as a liar. when you look at the whole case the consistencies in the state's prosecution has benefitted in creating a doubt. the problem is that the is what the defense is trying to do, create a doubt. the prosecution has to prove it beyond every reasonable doubt. they are so far short of that standard. >> the real problem, i'd have been saying this quite sometime as have others, the key witness, the one that could answer the unanswered questions is dead, is trayvon martin. you take him out of the equation because he can't give evidence and you are left with george zimmerman's word for what happened. >> that's not the prosecution's fault and that's not the family's fault or nobody's fault. the prosecution is playing the hand they were dealt.
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i read an article that was wondering whether the prosecution was intentionally throwing this case. i guarantee they are not intentionally throwing this case. they are fighting to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. we see cases like this where a prosecution believes they know a crime was committed but i don't have the evidence and they can't create it. they have to work with what they have. that's why it looks like a bad case and why the prosecution is ineffective. this was a case that probably was not brought for the right reason. they knew they couldn't get a conviction. then somebody thought better and said we have to prosecute this case. >> final question, briefly, judge alex. we are expecting potentially a decision maybe as early as next week, certainly early part of the week thereafter. what do you think it will be? >> if i was looking at it from a pure legal standpoint, i would say an acquittal. if i look at an emotional standpoint after hearing from the mother, perhaps the jury will reach a compromise verdict.
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they are not supposed to do that. if the evidence isn't there, it isn't there. . but it happens that they do things like. that it could be manslaughter. i think if it comes back with second degree murder f the evidence doesn't change in the next day and let's face it the fat lady may not be singing but certainly clearing her throat at this point. not much more to put on. i don't see a second-degree murder conviction held up on appeal and maybe not even manslaughter for what we have seen so far. >> judge alex, as always, com l compelli compelling. thank you very much indeed. >> thank you. when we come back a new panel of experts to give their opinion on what they think will happen with what is a gripping case. what makes a sleep number store different?
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>> it doesn't necessarily mean there was an apprehension of fear. >> you don't have to wait until you are almost dead before you can defend yourself. >> no, i wouldn't do that. >> laughter and show of emotion from george zimmerman. what did the jury think of that i want to ask my expert. is /* author of genuije not a genuine man. let's start with you rob. your client was one of the key witnesses here. we are approaching the end of the prosecution case. many legal people criticizing the prosecution for not establishing hard enough george
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zimmerman's murderous intent. >> well, i think it is very important. first of all, the prosecution has an uphill battle with regard to presenting the evidence sufficient to establish all of the elements necessary for a conviction. let's look at it, first of all, that way. with regard to the evidence that has the been presented, taken away or not taking away from what has been presented today. when the jury has to consider the evidence, it will show evil intent. they need to play the tapes to get in the mind of george zimmerman. they need to start from that point and try to figure out what he was thinking about when he first decided to confront trayvon martin. he's had a number of statements that have been introduced in to evidence. they need to go through and decipher what they believe he was thinking about when he confronted trayvon. if they think they have evil
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intent they may be able to reach the threshold with regard to the element to get second-degree murder case. if not possibly a manslaughter conviction. >> if you are watching this, a lot of tweets about. this tweet me@piers morgan. gloria, here's the point i come back tochlt i don't think that george zimmerman set out to murder trayvon martin. i just don't. i see no evidence to suggest he did. i see enough evidence that he saw this young man and thought he's trouble and i'm going to deal with him in some way. had he not done that, trayvon martin would not be dead. doesn't there have to be accountability for that? >> not necessarily in a criminal justice system. that's the problem. that's not sufficient to convict. even if he followed him. and today captain carter testified someone from the prosecution who ultimately testified with some testimony that could be compelling for the
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defense that even if a person is an aggressor initially -- and let's assume for purposes of discussion -- that in fact george zimmerman was the aggressor, that something can happen and the person against whom he is agresing, in this case trayvon martin, if you believe what some of the testimony is, then still, the aggressor, could possibly, under some circumstances, claim self defense. he could, as a matter of law, claim that. that would not be sufficient, even if he were the aggressor. even if he shouldn't have gotten out of his car to convict him. >> brian, you wrote a powerful book "not a genuine black man, my life as an out outsider." you talk about being stopped by police officers and it has divide sod much opinion. in his mind clearly george
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zimmerman saw a young black boy, young man, walking around and thought trouble. he profiled him just as trouble. we know that from the way he described him when he called police. secondly you have trayvon martin said when he heard head been followed by george zimmerman which he was a creepy cracker. you grew up with fear and distrust. tell me about that. >> i grew up in california which borders to the south. we moved there when it was 99.9% white. they were becoming more and more diverse but in communities like that the face of crime is young and black. so that being the case you are a suspect just by walking down the street. i think that is the fundamental question we have to answer in terms of the verdict for the case. is can a young african-american male walk down the street in a
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fwlabd he quote unquote doesn't belong without looked at as a suspect and the whole idea you can kill somebody if you are afraid of them, as i said there are a lot of people that look at the face of crime as being young and black and they are afraid of you as they set eyes on you. if that is the reason for the defense we are in real trouble. >> i agree with that. i think there is something fundamentally wrong with a justice system that allows george zimmerman to basically play the cop he always wanted to be but wasn't and to act like a vigilante, go after this guy who's unarmed, minding his own business and no harmful intent that we can deduce at all and ends up dead. i don't think you can be completely unaccountable for that. there has to be some form of justice for trayvon martin, doesn't it? >> absolutely. and you have to look at the fact, as well that george zimmerman has lied. george zimmerman has lied. he says trayvon martin reached for his gun, had his gun.
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he had to break -- but there is no dna from trayvon martin on the gun. if his head was banged on the concrete 25 times why only two band-aids to take care of the wounds. he got out of the car and supposedly put away his phone and was attacked by trayvon and yet the phone records show that trayvon martin was on the phone two full minutes after zimmerman hung up his phone. on top of that if you look at the interview he gave to hannity he has no remorse. he is not repentant. no contrition whatsoever. he claims it was god's will. there has to be accountability here. you can't make it open season on young people, particularly young african-american males because you are afraid. >> let me bring in gloria. this comes back to your point. we are talking about a criminal action in a criminal court. that's a different ball game
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even in a civil action, right? >> absolutely. of course it is tragic that there is a 17-year-old who is dead. no dispute about that. the problem is there are legal standards. the challenge for the defense to prove that george zimmerman had a reasonable belief that he was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm. it's not enough that many african-american teenagers, in fact, are targeted sometimes because of their race in certain parts of this country. it has to be proven that in this case george zimmerman did not act in a way that is going to constitute legally self defense. that's the challenge. >> let me bring back rod. final word from you, if i may. in a funny way i would put george zimmerman on the stand if i was the defense. particularly if we have emotional heart rendering testimony coming from trayvon's family on friday because zimmerman could put up a good,
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eloquent case of how his own life is destroyed by this and express remorse he hasn't had a chance to perhaps and could explain to a jury looking them in the eye why he did all over again and that could be powerful and help him. >> let me say if i was representing mr. zimmerman i would not put him on the stand. he has given a number of statements and some parts have been inconsistent. i have heard so far a couple of attorneys say it is their decision whether the client takes the stand and testifies or not and that is untrue. in every case, it is the defendant who makes a decision whether or not he testifies. in state court if he wants to testify and his lawyer stops him from testifying that lawyer will be facing a motion to set aside that conviction based on the ineffective assistance of counsel. >> i would agree. >> that lawyer will be facing a motion which we refer to as post
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conviction motion under 2255. what most do when the defendant decides he doesn't want to testify they will cole kwie the defendant to make sure and satisfied that it is the defendant making the decision not to testify and not the attorney. >> it should be. agree with that. and i think it is just from the defense's point of view, i think it will be far too risky to do it. here's two reasons why george zimmerman should not testify. one jodi arias. she testified and testified and testified and was convicted. two, o.j. simpson. he did not testify and in his criminal case. he was acquitted. he did testify in his civil case and result of his testifying the jury found he was liable for the death of nicole brown simpson and ron goldman. so here's -- so, if you do a risk analysis, versus benefit, generally it comes out that the
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defendant should not testify. >> gloria allred, thank you very much. thousands of protesters refused to leave the streets of the capital of egypt. we will go live to cairo next. oh, hey mike. what are you up to? oh, just diagramming this accident with my state farm pocket agent app. you can also get a quote and pay your premium with this thing. i thought state farm didn't have all those apps? where did you hear that? the internet. and you believed it? yeah. they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true. where did you hear that? [ both ] the internet. oh look. here comes my date. i met him on the internet. he's a french model. uh, bonjour. [ male announcer ] state farm.
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breaking news in egypt. chaos on the streets of cairo tonight and the former president under house arrest as supporters have been rounded up. we have ben live in cairo. let me start with you. my question really is what on earth is going on in egypt? who is in charge? >> they are very much the strongest institution in the country, and they laid down the law 4 8 hours ago to mohamed morsy and the opposition saying if you don't get your act together, you're out and we're in and last night we heard a speech from mohamed morsy making it clear he wouldn't give in to the option. their ultimatum. and the army is an institution here in egypt you don't trifle. he trifled with it and you see
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the result now. >> ivan watson, we have the first democratically elected president of egypt deposed in a year in what many call a coup. the military effectively acted on behalf of the people. where does it leave democracy in egypt? democracy that everyone celebrate with the arab spring now looks to be in tatters. >> well, that's a good question. certainly the electoral process has been shaken, if not smashed. now the question comes up the next president who comes in, people get frustrated because there are fuel shortages or some other complaint. can they come out in the streets and protest and topple that person when they are sick of them? that is an argument that the people who are still firing fireworks here behind us, they don't seem to really want to hear that. when you mention the word coup to them many get angry and
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insist this is not a coup that the army is simply carrying out the will of the people who got frustrated at undemocratic moves made by the president morsi himself. of course his backers are very much following this military coup and there are some signs to suggest it is because we're getting courts that the military and the security services are shutting down the muslim brotherhood media outlets and rounding up top officials in the muslim brotherhood as well as mohammad morsy himself. that looks like the symptoms of a coup. >> right. ben wedeman, one reason they don't want to say it is a coup, there are billions of u.s. dollars that may or may not depend on whether people sbempt it like. that president obama issued a statement saying united states is monitoring the fluid situation in egypt. we believe ultimately the future of egypt can only be determined by the egyptian people and i
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have directed the department and agencies to review the implications under u.s. law for our assistance to the government of egypt. a clear warning, i would say, from the white house that unless people are careful about how this noncoup plays out then the funding, the billions of dollars from america could be at risk. >> i don't think that funding is at risk. fundamentally u.s. interests are better served by the military than by a muslim brotherhood president, a president who's come out and said some very embarrassing things in the past. for instance, saying that jews are the relatives and offspring of apes. that sort of thing is embarrassing for the united states. keep in mind that the military has a long relationship with the united states going back to the '70s. many of the senior members of the egyptian officer corps
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received training in the united states, are on first name basis with many of their american counterparts and therefore it is unlikely that this relationship is going to be ruptured by whatever happens today, coup or popular coup, people's coup, whatever you want to call it. the united states has invested billions and billions of dollars in the egyptian military. they are not going to let it go simply because what happened today doesn't quite fit in to their dictionary. >> ivan watson, one of the problems, as with iraq and afghanistan, is whoever takes charge when we try to implement any kind of western-style democracy refuses to do business with their rivals. until you have a more inclusive government in somewhere like egypt you will have this problem occurring all the time. >> that's one of the big complaints about mohammad morsy during his short year in office. many many of the critics, one
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egyptian i spoke to said he voted for morsy and now supports the move to topple morsy. one critic they had is they thought this guy was going to be very all egyptians but seemed to focus on power and reaching out to people only within the muslim brotherhood and not crossing lines to other sectors of society. it's interesting that when the top military general made his announcement that morsy was replaced as president and the constitution suspended he dressed up the presentation by inviting the top muslim cleric to sit alongside him and one of the chief liberal voices in egypt the nobel peace prize winner and former head of the national atomic agency commissioning a and a is a cloud
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critic of the military in years past. that was clearly a military effort to appear more inclusive and to reach out to other sectors of society while making this momentous announcement that has transformed the political landscape here. >> ben wedeman, it is a crushing blow to the muslim brotherhood. we are having reports that members are rounded up, officials are rounded up and arrested and so on in this non-coup. they are not going to take this lying down and doing nothing. there must be a real threat of islamic violence perhaps by the way of retribution for the way they have been treated. >> certainly. that's a definite possibility. back in the '70s, the muslim brotherhood did officially renounce violence. the danger is, as has always been the case, there are splinter groups that are dissatisfied with traditional leadership. we saw in egypt the creation of
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offsprings, like islamic jihad, some groups involved in the 1981 assassination of sadat and involved in a decade-long urban war between these islamic groups and the regime here, the regime of hosni mubarak. there is a definite danger they will say we have been excluded from politics. we tried to play the game but were driven out. our leaders were jailed. our media has been shut down. and this system isn't going to work for us. so we are going to destroy the system. i think that probably the majority of members of the muslim brotherhood may learn some lessons from this bitter experience, but there are definitely some members who will say our leadership was too moderate and it's time to take a harder approach and directly challenge power here in egypt and challenge it with violence.
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the ohio valley. high pressure is building in from bermuda. this is known as the bermuda high. it is bringing tropical moisture in to florida and the deep south and up to the great lakes. also what's happened here is kind of good news for the east coast and the northeast. actually drying out a little bit as high pressure is starting to build in to where you live. that means fewer showers, fewer thunderstorms. you are getting a break. now in the cross hairs is the atlanta area. we have seen the rain all day long. two to three inches across north georgia. likely the same amounts tomorrow and in to friday. we expect flooding across the region and in to the mid-atlantic things are improving in d.c. but you can see it is moving to the west across west virginia and the ohio valley. that's where we will see showers and thunderstorms. peachtree road race is tomorrow morning. it is a big road race down peachtree and we will see heavy rain at that time. they are going to go on and
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brave it out. during fireworks it is unsettled across the deep south and wet pattern in to friday. we have concerns about flood flooding. flash flood warnings across north georgia and look at the heavy rain we are expected to see through friday. we will keep our eyes on the flooding conditions here as we head to the next 48 hours. remember, it only takes 18 inches of rain to move a car, an suv. these are the threats. high threat in the pink. that is flash flooding and river flooding. if you live in a flood zone be apprised of the situation a threat of lightning, as well. watch for the possible lightning threat. as far as tornados, this is a tropical air mass. if we see any tornados they will be very weak ones. high pressure is building in to the west. that will dry out parts of the east coast. meanwhile the heat is on across the west. it is firecracker hot, piers with the heat on here. in fact, i can't even talk.
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my mouth is dry as i look at these heat advisories and that pattern will continue. in fact it will stretch across the country as we head to the next few days. so that ridge of high pressure will broaden. >> samantha, thank you very much indeed. we'll be right back after this short break. wi drive a ford fusion. who is healthier, you or your car? i would say my car. probably the car. cause as you get older you start breaking down. i love my car. i want to take care of it. i have a bad wheel - i must say. my car is running quite well. keep your car healthy with the works. $29.95 or less after $10 mail-in rebate at your participating ford dealer. so you gotta take care of yourself? yes you do. you gotta take care of your baby? oh yeah!
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that's all for us tonight. wishing you a happy independence day. obviously we brits do not celebrate the 4th of july with the same enthusiasm but i wish you a good time any way. the coverage of the george zimmerman trial starts now. prosecution gets ready to call the final witness. the defense prepares to call theirs. welcome to this special report self defense or murder the george zimmerman trial. the trial is headed to the final stretch. the prosecution calling what could be the next to last witness today. th
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