>> 911, do you need police or medical? >> maybe both. i'm not sure. there's someone screaming outside. >> what's the address? 1211 -- >> is it in sanford? >> yes, sir. >> is it a male or female? >> it sounds like a male. >> and you don't know why? >> i don't know why. i don't know. send someone quick. i heard a shot. >> does he look hurt? i can't see. i don't want to go outside. i don't know what's going on. [ inaudible ]. >> were you able to hear that voice? >> yes, sir. >> in the background? >> yes. >> you heard of course a woman's

voice in the foreground, correct? >> yes. >> do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> yes, sir. >> and whose voice was that? >> my son, george. >> and are you certain of that? >> because he's my son. >> at this time no other questions of this witness, your honor. >> thank you very much. cross? >> good afternoon, ma'am. >> good afternoon, mr. de la rionda. >> mrs. zimmerman, you have heard him yelling out for help for crime or have you heard him just laughing and screaming? >> all of the above. all. >> isn't it true you've never heard him yelling or crying for help, yelling for help?

>> not for help. notdistinction. >> if i may. >> you've never heard him screaming for his life before, have you? >> objection. >> but regarding -- >> objection. >> i'll rephrase it. have you ever heard him screaming for his life before this call? >> what i'm sure is that is george's voice. >> so -- >> the scream is -- i haven't heard him like that before but the anguish that the scream that he is -- the way that he is screaming it describes to me anguish, fear, i would say terror. >> and is that, anguish, fear and terror without question of your son's voice?

>> yes, sir. >> mrs. zimmerman -- i'm sorry, were you finished with your answer? >> may mrs. zimmerman be excused? >> yes, your honor. >> subject to being recalled. >> yes, we will maintain her on subpoena. >> mrs. zimmerman, you're excused from the courtroom but you may be called back. >> okay. >> thank you. call your next witness, please.

[ witness sworn ] >> good afternoon. you may proceed. >> thank you, your honor. >> good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon. >> state your name, please. >> my name is jorge meza. >> and your occupation. >> i'm a deputy with the orange county sheriff's courthouse. >> how long you have been in that position? >> since september 2007. >> consistent from that time through today? >> yes, sir. >> and before 2007, what type of work did you do?

>> i was previously assigned to the courthouse services division between may until august of 2003. before that i was in the army. i served our nation for 26 years. i retired of the army with the rank of command sergeant major and i felt that it was my duty to serve my community. >> and is that why i began service with the orange county sheriff's office? >> yes, sir. >> and in fact, if you weren't on the witness stand and we were maybe a county over, you might be sitting there or standing in the back. >> very correct. that would be my duty. >> that's the type of work that you do? >> yes, sir. >> so i presume that you've sat through more trials than probably anybody else in the courtroom, except for these two individuals, correct? >> i have had my share. >> okay. we bring you here today, though, not in your capacity as a deputy

but you're here because you know george zimmerman; is that correct? >> that is absolutely correct. i am here as an uncle of george zimmerman, not as a deputy of the orange county sheriff's office. >> then how long have you known george zimmerman? >> i have known george zimmerman since october the 5th, 1983, the day he was born. >> okay. were you in the -- you were still back in the army then, correct correct? >> yes, sir. at that time i was stationed in puerto rico, with a temporary assignment in atlanta georgia. when the news arrived that my sister was having labor pains and when i was in atlanta, georgia is when i got the news my nephew had been born. >> and are you gladys

zimmerman's brother? >> yes, i am. >> and how many other siblings do you and she have? >> she has her older son robert, robert, jr., and then she has my niece grace christine. christina. >> do you and she have any siblings, you and gladys have any siblings? >> my brother mike, miguel. >> you're here today because i wanted to ask you if you've ever had an opportunity to listen to a 911 call that had certain voices in the foreground and then a screaming voice in the background? >> yes, sir, i did. >> what i'd like to you do if you would is to tell the jury the first time and the circumstances that you had heard that call. >> the exact date i don't remember. it was sometime in march of 2012. i am sitting at my computer at

home involved to be exact i cannot recall but i was on the computer. and all of a sudden the tv in my house is located right behind if i could, i show you, this is my desk and right behind me is my television. when i'm actually working the computer, my wife is watching the news. all what i did heard was the scream, the scream that it came immediately not only i just heard the scream, i felt the scream like my nephew is screaming for his life. it was a moment that i actually lived with me every moment that i heard the portion of that because it was, you know, the feeling of saying, oh, i heard giorgi. it was george screaming for his life. i looked to my wife and i said what are you watching? and she said i'm watching the

news. i said but what is the news about? she says they're playing the record of the 911 call pertaining to the person screaming. i said that is george and i stood up and look at the tv and i just didn't see anything else but it was just the recording playing at that time. >> this wasn't a situation where somebody played it for you to ask you to identify the voice? >> no, sir. it was not. >> was this just coincidental that it happened to come on tv? >> no, sir. it was not even coincidental. like i said, i was just working on the computer doing exactly i cannot really tell you what i was doing but i was on the computer. and that voice just came and hit me. it hit me the way that i heard that but more than heard that, i felt it inside of my heart. i says that is george.

>> did you even know that the tv was addressing your nephew's case? >> no, i did not. did your wife tell you anything about the fact that it was on tv? >> matter of fact, she did not. >> then -- and i think you mentioned it, what was the very first thing that brought your attention to the tv? >> his voice. his voice. the reason why i recognize his voice is very simple. i have had george play with my sons, my own sons. there is a unique way that you recognize your family members when they laugh or when they cry, and this was the moment that i recognized george as screaming for help. it was george screaming for help. >> may i have a moment, your honor.

thank you, your honor. no further questions. >> thank you. cross? >> good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon, sir. >> just so the record is clear, you're not here speaking as a deputy sheriff, correct? >> no, sir, i am not. >> so the jury should just disregard when you were bringing about your qualifications, which are awesome -- >> may i object to the suggestion that the jury should disregard -- >> what's the legal basis for your objection? >> improper questioning of the witness. i just -- i'd rather do it at the bench -- >> let me do it this way. the court is going to instruct you at the end of all the evidence of what the instruct n

instructions are on the law that you're to follow. so i'm going to hope that you will follow those instructions. i'm going to instruct you to follow those instructions. i'm going to sustain the objection. >> i'll rephrase it. you're not hear testifying as a deputy sheriff of orange county sheriff -- >> no, sir, i'm not. >> you're testifying as george zimmerman's uncle. >> i'm here as a witness of what i've heard. >> but you're here on behalf of george zimmerman because he is your nephew. in other words, that's the relationship, not because you're a deputy sheriff is what i'm trying to get. >> yes, sir. >> and you were aware prior to hearing this on tv, the recording, you were aware that your son was involved in the shooting. you didn't know the facts but you were aware of it, correct? >> you mean my nephew. >> i apologize. i said your son. i meant your nephew. >> yes, sir, di. >> so you were aware of that? >> yes, sir. >> and you're telling the jury

you didn't know any of the specific facts, correct? >> no. >> and that was on purpose because you're a deputy sheriff in orange county. >> i'm a sworn orange county deputy, officer, if hi known any facts, details information provided to me, it would be against my ethics and professionalism to get involved. >> so you on purpose kept out of it is what i'm trying to get at. >> yes, i did. >> that was on purpose? >> yes, sir. >> thank you. >> but you knew that he was involved in the shooting, you just didn't know the specifics? >> i didn't know the specifics. >> and what you're saying is you heard this on tv. it was the news i believe, correct? >> that is correct. and i think you stated your wife was watching the news. >> that is correct, sir. >> and then when you saw it, after hearing it, you saw there was something on about the george zimmerman case, on the news itself when you saw it? correct. >> before i saw what i saw, i heard the scream. >> right. >> and that's when i got up and

says that is george, what are you watching? >> and when you saw the tv screen, it did have the name george zimmerman on there, correct? >> that is correct. >> and i believe you stated you had heard him before playing with your son, correct? >> that is correct. >> him being george zimmerman. i apologize. >> i understand. yes, sir. >> but you had never heard george zimmerman crying out for help before, had you? >> not the way i did that day. >> thank you very much. >> any redirect? >> briefly on some of the issues addressed. >> obviously you're not here as a deputy. do you take your oath to tell the truth seriously? >> i took my oath 31 may 2000, i am the class of the millennium and to this day i stand for my oath to the law of the state of

florida. >> so you would not color your testimony to favor your nephew, would you? >> my ethics of professionalism is stated with the 26 years i stayed in the army, achieving the command of command sergeant major and i would never compromise myself to do that either for my son, my daughter or my nephew. >> so much so that you decided to maintain that oath to just keep away from the facts of the case, correct? >> objection. >> i'm sorry, what? >> leading. >> i'll acknowledge that it's leading. it's just that it had just been testified to but i'll rephrase it. >> thank you. >> why was it that you decided not to find out more about the facts of what your nephew was going through ? >> as a law enforcement officer, you are sworn to actually tell the truth.

i didn't know when this moment was going to arrive that i was going to be sitting here and i wanted to be able to sit and look at every one members of the jurors and tell them the truth. >> thank you, your honor. nothing further. >> so if i understand you correctly, you're saying that you anticipated would you be hearing this reporting and you were going to have to come and court and testify about it? >> no, sir. you misunderstood what i said. what i said is as a law enforcement officer, the moment that i found out of the situation that arise, i disconnected myself totally from it. >> you disconnected yourself totally from the case. you didn't want to found out anything about it? >> no, sir, i didn't. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. may mr. maza be excused?

>> yes, he'll be subject to subpoena. >> thank you, you may be excused. >> may we approach, your honor? >> yes, you may. >> i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. we're continuing our coverage of the george zimmerman case. let's go to our legal analysts sunny hostin. we just heard the defense call its first two witnesses, that being the mother of george zimmerman, as well as the uncle right there, jorge meza, of george zimmerman. sunny and mark, first, let's start with the uncle. what did you think of his testimony there? did you think that the jury will find him believable that he thought this was george's voice screaming on this 911 tape?

>> well, i thought he was a very credible witness in the sense that he's a law enforcement officer, he spoke clearly with conviction, although i do think that the circumstances surrounding what he is testifying to just seem a bit odd that you would be watching, you know, on your computer and you hear a scream somewhere in your home and you identify that scream immediately as that of not even your son but your nephew. i'm not sure if that -- those circumstances are believable but i thought that his testimony -- through his testimony he came off as a credible witness. >> and i concur with that. i think that it kind of stretch es the credibility that all of a sudden you hear this scream out of the clear blue sky and you recognize that as a family member but on the other hand, he presented very, very well. the story line doesn't make

sense but the way he presented does. i think at the end of the day, a lot of the defense strategy here is simply going to be to neutralize both sides' position they could recognize that scream and we've had a host of experts saying they in fact couldn't. i think at the end of the day we almost have a wash there and they're going to have to go on other evidence to see where this goes. >> we heard earlier from trayvon martin's mother and brother that they were both convinced it was trayvon martin's voice screaming on that 911 tape. sunny and mark, stand by for us. we'll be right back with you. we're going to get in a quick commercial break while we see the counsel there up at the bench. we'll be right back with more on the zimmerman trial. ♪ hey! ♪ ♪ let's go! ♪ [ male announcer ] you can choose to blend in. ♪ ♪ yeah! yeah! yeah! or you can choose to blend out.

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court has now recessed for the weekend for the zimmerman trial as the prosecution rested and the defense called its first witness for their case. court will resume on monday. let's bring in our expert, mark nejame and sunny hostin. we first heard, and i should also mention a forensic pathology, because we'll be talking about the testimony we heard from the medical examiner who performed the autopsy on trayvon's body after he died. first to you, mark, the first witness was gladys zimmerman for the defense, the mother of george zimmerman. we heard certainly from the mother of trayvon martin, she

said it was her son whose voice she heard on the 911 tape. you said that you think this is just to neutralize the other side in this case since it wasn't allowed in court to have experts testify on whose voice was on the tape. >> i believe each of the mothers absolutely believes that that's their son's voice who they're hearing. i think that they both would pass a lie detector test and i believe that they both believe it. with that said, they both have their sons, trayvon's no longer with his, his mother absolutely believes he was murdered and john mcca george zimmerman's mother absolutely believes he's not guilty. so they're going to believe what they want to believe. so i think at the end of the day there's going to be a hard time for anybody to truly ascertain whose voice that was. and i do think that as in all criminal case, when you have a draw, it usually sides to the

defense simply because it's the state's burden. i found that all the witnesses were credible. i think that they all came across good. i think at the end of the day it's a swearing contest and they have different opinions. >> do you think the jury, sunny, takes anything away from this or they just discount both sides? >> i think that it could be a wash. i agree with mark on that. the one thing again, when you listen to testimony and i know jurors do this, they listen to it in context, not just in little pieces. what is troubling for the defense i think is when the shot rings out, the screams stop. now that's a very common sense analysis that when the shot rings out the person that was shot, the scream stops. so i wonder if the jury then takes that back into the jury, takes their common sense with them and thinks perhaps it was

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we have just wrapped up what has to be the most dramatic day yet in the george zimmerman murder trial. all of this comes after a day of major surprises. the biggest came from the medical examiner who did the autopsy on trayvon martin's body. dr. shiping bao revealed he doesn't remember anything about the actual autopsy. >> i do not remember anything, zero. >> okay. >> anything on the day of the autopsy. i depend on my notes. >> that isn't all. it also came out that the notes

the medical examiner relied on today were notes he himself wrote out months ago, not the official autopsy report. and before that came out, dr. bao showed jurors photos from the autopsy. he described what happened after trayvon martin was shot and the bullet literally went through his heart. >> i believe, it is my opinion, that he was still alive, he was still in pain, he was still in suffering, i believe he was alive for one to ten minutes after he was shot. his heart was beating until there was no blood left at the point his heart stopped and he is complete silent. >> we have a lot to talk over with our analysts, former federal prosecutor sunny hostin,

defense attorney mark jename and our forensic pathologist. serol, i want to start with you. when he talked about relying on his notes and not remembering the autopsy, i think to the lay person that sounds strange. is that unusual? >> no. depending on how many autopsies you do, it's not unusual to remember details on an autopsy unless it was something special. i'm not sure to what expect he was aware this was going to be a cause celeb but if it was a routine shooting, i can understand --

>> cyril, this was a case that gained a lot of national attention pretty soon after trayvon martin died. i mean, you would imagine that dr. bao realized that he had performed an autopsy, be it a week or two weeks before on a young man who was now getting so much attention. i mean, if you were in his case, wouldn't you recall things from the actual autopsy? >> yes, i agree with you. and that's why i said that i would like to know when he became aware of the significance, the great controversy, the universal excitement about this case. and so i do find it hard to understand that he now testifies he has absolutely no memory. what i find more difficult to comprehend and accept on his part and indeed on the part of the prosecution, their witness, that he comes in and says that he's testifying based on notes that he wrote sometimes later, months later as i understand it,

questions that he anticipated, answers that he was preparing to give. where was the postmortem protocol, the original autopsy report, the official report that was in the hands of the prosecution attorney, the defense attorney. where were his notes made at the time of the autopsy? those are the notes that you can refer to, the autopsy report can you refer to. you can say that you don't remember and then of course as you know you then refer to your official report and any notes that i made at the time. i do not understand how the prosecution would have allowed him to come in and talk about writing notes months later in which he anticipated questions and suggested to himself what the answers might be. it's -- it's -- it's unbelievable. i never heard of anything like this, i must tell you. >> that is something that caught a lot of folks' attention as they watched this trial. cyril, i want to ask you in a

moment about his revised estimation of how long he thought trayvon martin might have been alive. >> it really seemed, guys, he was surprised when the judge said we're going to need those notes, they're going to be distributed to the defense and the prosecution. this was a prosecution witness but it seemed to be doing the defense a bit of a fair. >> as a prosecutor, you get the witness you get. i'm sure they wished for some world renowned medical examiner but this is the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy. so that's who they were stuck with. he started out okay. he seemed kind of charming, kind of methodical. but during the testimony, he became somewhat of a loose cannon. he testified that he it testified about 20 times before but by typing up these notes he had never given anyone, that's

such a novice move. it was shocking to me. i don't think i've ever seen it in a courtroom. witnesses are usually advised not to do that. so i don't think that anyone could control this witness. the prosecution couldn't do it, the defense couldn't do it, even the judge couldn't do it. >> part of that might be -- >> it's an anomaly. >> parts of it may be preparation as well. do you think he wasn't prepped properly? does that speak to that perhaps? >> i think you have extremely experienced prosecutors who are doing an excellent job in my opinion in taking a difficult case and making a case for it. but with that said, i've had it happen on a handful of occasions, someone i'm cross-kpecross cross-examining and they reference something and as soon as they do that, say let me see your file please. you have experienced prosecutors who presumed that this assistant

m.e. knew the rules of the game and they did not question him about that and it just tells you how you can never prepare too much in a case. as lawyers, as trial lawyers, we have to always anticipate everything and you can't take it for granted. i suspect they were focusing on other things. the prosecution brought in an m.e. from their home county, focusing on the distance of shot and likely were saving the best to the last, what they thought was. we all thought they were going to have his mother, they were going to have his brother on the stand for emotional and then it turned out they were going to do the m.e. for the pictures, the horrible pictures of trayvon being dead and the autopsy. it turned out it blew up in their face and they ended on the weakest of notes. >> we will be right back with you as we analyze this day in the george zimmerman trial. we are expecting a new

conference from one of george zimmerman's lawyers. we'll bring that to you live. and later today, the most heart wrenching moments of the trial. we'll wee will hear from the mothers of both george zimmerman and trayvon martin.

. it may have been the most gripping moment yet since the zimmerman murder trial began, jurors hearing for the first time today from the mothers of both george zimmerman and trayvon martin. both women said the voice screaming for help on the 911 recordings made the night of the shooting was their son. >> ma'am, that screaming or yelling, do you recognize that? >> yes. >> and who do you recognize that to be, ma'am?

>> trayvon benjamin martin. >> were you able to hear that voice? >> yes, sir. >> in the background? >> yes. >> you heard of course a woman's voice in the foreground, correct? >> yes. >> do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> yes, sir. >> and whose voice was that? >> my son george. >> and are you certain of that? >> because he's my son. >> joining us now to talk more about this powerful, emotional testimony, two of our cnn legal analysts, former federal prosecutor sunny hostin and criminal defense attorney mark nejame there outside of the courthouse. sunny, to you first, who did you think was more convincing here? >> you know, again, i thought that both sides were convincing and in that sense i think it's a wash. but i think when you look at the context of both sides, you know, a mother i think recognizing her

son's voice is a bit more significant than an uncle. i think a brother recognizing a son's voice is -- his brother's voice is a bit more convincing and significant than an uncle. and i also think you've got to listen to it in context, which is what the jury is going to be asked to do. the jury is going to be asked to look at not just one puzzle piece but the entire picture of the puzzle and when the screams are silenced after the shot, i think that that fact inures to the benefit of the prosecution because that's a common sense thing and this jury will be instructed to take their common sense and apply it to the facts. so i think there are arguments for both sides but i think those arguments inure to the benefit of the state. >> and, mark, as i was watching trayvon martin's mother's

testimony, sybrina fulton, on the stand. on the stand she was very convincing. >> i actually thought that was going to happen. i think his brother would have been the best final witness. i think that his brother was a handsome, articulate, educated young man and i think that he really came across as putting a life back to trayvon, which would have been very beneficial to the prosecution because now you're not dealing with this young man in the abstract but here is his living, breathing brother who presented very, very well and i think that's something the jury would well empathize with. i think their strategy was very simply they would get the emotion of that and have the m.e. come in with these autopsy pictures, which are just what

they are and that's pictures of a cut up, dead teen-ager who is the purported vick trtim in thi case and that was going to really grab the jurors. and unfortunately for the state, the mother's testimony could have been long forgotten after you had such a long, convoluted bit of a mess of an m.e. who was testifying and i think they really lost their impact and their power with that. >> just to piggy bag on that, what was interesting to me and i was in the courtroom, the jury certainly was watching sybrina fulton. but when trayvon's brother got on the stand, i felt that they watched more and that is because after rachel jeantel's testimony of the language that trayvon martin used, that could have painted a picture of someone that is a street type of person, a thug. but in direct contrast you have

this very well spoken, very lovely, very elegant young man get on the witness stand, talking about the fact that he is going to be a senior in college, he's studying information technology. that was very powerful and i did not a change in the jury and the way they reacted to him. >> if i might for a moment, i concur with that because remember, miss jent eljentel -- jeantel, that can inure to one witness or another. and was miss jeantel someone the jurors could relate to and was that maybe what trayvon was about? was there that measure of sympathy or empathy there. i think with his brother it shows, wait, look at trayvon's family, look at his mother, very

elegant, articulate, very much the matriarch. and then look at his brother, a son that everybody would be proud to have, at least that's the way he came across. that's empathy, that's where your power is. but it just imploded on them. >> mark and sunny, before we get in a quick break here, wasn't there also a problem created by trayvon martin's brother because it was brought up that he had said in march of 2012 that he thought it might be his brother's voice but he wasn't completely sure. and here he is at the trial saying that he's positive. doesn't that kind of create some doubt? just a moment, stand by o'mara, attorney for george zimmerman is holding a press conference. >> reporter: [ inaudible ].

>> i wasn't sure how and when the state was going to end their case. i sort of had mine land out a bit. it's always somewhat fluid depending how the case goes and how the witnesses work out. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> got two witnesses down. that's okay, too. >> reporter: the most articulate, why want he here this week? >> why wasn't he here this week? why won't he on the stand? >> reporter: why wasn't he in court? >> we'll probably bring him in when the timing is right for him as a witness. >> reporter: what is your opinion on the judge's denial on the judgment for acquittal? >> j.o.a.'s are unique in the way that they're handle, you have to look at everybody that's out there and weighing it all toward the state side. they get every benefit of every doubt at this state -- at this

stage pip respect her ruling. it is what it is. this is what we do. >> reporter: how much weight do you believe the jury will give both grieving mothers regarding their respective testimony that this was their son on the 911 audio? >> i think they will look at both and say that is certainly what that mom hopes happened. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> you know, i think so. i'm sure that miss fulton has to live her reality with that being trayvon martin screaming and i'm certain that mrs. zimmerman has to live her reality with that was definitely george zimmerman screaming. we have to treat them as the grieving parents they are in different ways. i'm not going to go behind why they said what they said. >> reporter: how long will your case last? >> this is a non-answer but a few days. wednesday, thursday, could go more according to some rulings that the court still has to make regarding admissibility of certain evidence. but i'm enjoying myself so we'll

go as long as we need to. >> reporter: when you guys asked for more time to prepare. are you prepared now? why weren't you prepared then? >> witness we asked for more time to prepare. i think that was because of some depositions that weren't done. there are three or four more depositions we have to take. that takes time. we're here nine hours a day. i think that's why we had asked for the additional time. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> no, he's not done yet. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> you know, i think he is sort of a very literal person. i mean, if you ask him is it a nice day out, i don't know if he'll want to give you his opinion. nice is an interpretation. if you ask him if this is wood, he'll probably say yes. i'm okay with that's just his personality style. it's okay. we'll have other experts dealing

with those issues so we'll work through it. >> reporter: what do you make of the notes he had in front of him? >> i don't think that english is his first language so i think he wants to make sure that his presentation is good. i know he's walking into a situation where we're litigators and he's a scientist. so i think that if i was going into surgery, i'd probably have a book of notes in front of me. >> reporter: and you feyou've bn asked this a few times, will the defendant take the stand? >> we haven't decided. i think i said we have to see that the state has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. they are done now. we're going to start presenting our case and we'll see if that includes george. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> this is the process of the trial. i never thought that there was a proper case against george zimmerman. so, you know, they're putting on their case as prosecutors do.

that's their job. and my job is to defend george and then the jury's job is to decide who did the better -- you know, whether or not the state proved their case. we'll get there. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> yes, certainly do. a number of them. >> reporter: i think some people were surprised when you questioned miss fulton. were you surprised by that? were you expecting to say anything to her? >> this is what i do. so every murder case i have, i've talked to the murdered person's mother or father or sister or brother. it's what we do. you learn to be sensitive to what they're going through and that with the reality with what i said earlier, they're looking at this case and they can only live their lives with the belief that what happened to their son, mrs. zimmerman or miss multi-on

somebody else's responsibility or fault. i'm not going to bear any burden against her for that. it's a sad situation. every time i talk to someone like that, it very difficult. having said that, i certainly had to question her about it and bring out the reality that i'm sure she walked into that room wanting to her her son's voice. >> do you think that her thinking behind that is how the jury is thinking? how worried are you the fact you didn't get the judgment of acquittal also means jury is thinking that maybe the prosecution did a good job? >> they're completely different standards. in the judgment of acquittal standard, literally everything has to go in favor of the state. as we know in a criminal trial for the jury's consideration, they have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime occurred. they did it in the way that they have to prove it and they also have to prove that my client did

not act in self-defense. >> reporter: were you surprised by anything that the state proved? >> no, i wasn't surprised by what they put on. i was probably more surprised by what they didn't put on? >> meaning? >> well, there were other family members in the martin family that i would have imagined that they would have called. so that was a bit of a surprise to me. a lot of the law enforcement officers who had heavy involvement in the case was a surprise to me that they sort of excised that out of their case. so, again, they can call down the case to exactly what they want to do and only present what they want but i throughout it was quite abbreviated with law enforcement, family members and, yeah, probably those two areas. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> i'm working. actually, i think two or three

are this weekend. so, yeah, we'll be just getting ready. this is what we do. we're in the middle of trial. we're just getting ready. >> reporter: you seemed surprised when the judge -- [ inaudible ]. >> it's funny because i think in most if not every one of my other cases where we deal with a decedent or somebody that's lost, i don't think it's pandering to say i'm sorry for your loss. i'm not going to be not human, and if someone wants to object to me being slightly inhuman to a mother who's lost their son, so be it. i'm not going to change my stripes because somebody thinks i'm pandering. >> that is mark o'mara, attorney for the defense of george zimmerman, who stands accused of second-degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin, sounding pretty confident there, saying everything has to go in favor of the state, of the

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we are getting more of a glimpse into trayvon martin's past. after hearing from his mother and older brother today on the stand. and our brian todd is taking a closer look at both of his parents and what their lives have been like in the months since their son's death. hi, brian. >> trayvon's mother gave crucial testimony today on that 191 tape. his parents have been two of the most controversial figures in this entire story since the shooting. so, the mother's testimony today was one of the more highly anticipated moments. she had to listen to it one more excruciating time, a 911 call the night of her son's shooting death, a call in which screaming can be heard.

>> you hear someone yelling "help"? >> yes. >> reporter: with lawyers on both sides needing to convince jurors who was screaming for help, trayvon martin or george ziern, martin moth, sybrina fulton, didn't waver. >> and who do you recognize that to be, ma'am? >> trayvon benjamin martin. >> reporter: that may or may not be proven, but legal analyst paul butler says sybrina fulton may have been the prosecution's most convincing witness. >> she's looking at these all-women jurors and talking to them woman to woman, mother to mother. what she says is i know exactly what my son's voice sounds like, and that was trayvon benjamin martin. >> reporter: fulton needed to be convincing. martin's father, tracy, initially told police the cries for help were not his son's, then later said they were. analysts say he'll likely not be called to the stand. the parents' credibility in this case is increasingly under the microscope. when trayvon martin was killed in sanford, florida, the mother

was presumed to be in miami where she lives. martin at that time was visiting his father and the father's girlfriend at her home in sanford, but it's not clear where trayvon's father was when the shooting took place, and he didn't report trayvon missing until the next day. the parents, who have been divorced since 1999, have presented a unified front in the build-up to this trial, appearing together at marches and rallies. >> my heart hurts for my son. trayvon is my son. trayvon is your son. >> reporter: but although sybrina fulton is trayvon martin's biological mother, alicia stanley, tracy martin's second wife and trayvon's stepmother, said this to cnn's anderson cooper. >> i'm the one that went to them football games. i'm the one was there when he was sick. i mean, every time he got sick, if he wasn't at our home, we had to go, tracy picked him up and brought him back to our home to make him better. >> reporter: still, together,

analysts say, sybrina fulton and tracy martin, along with their lawyer, benjamin crump, have been essential in simply getting this case to trial. >> i give them tremendous credit. without their efforts, without them bringing on their legal team, this case would have never been heard of again. >> reporter: that's i reference to law enforcement authorities not arresting george zimmerman for nearly a month and a half after the shooting and then being reluctant to press charges. martin's parents and crump certainly have been controversial, playing up themes of racial injustice, but by relentlessly pushing for justice for their son, they've gotten us to this moment in the trial which has been crucial, brianna. >> is there any scenario where trayvon martin's father, mr. martin, gets to the stand? >> it's not likely. analysts say they could possibly get him up there to ask him why he didn't report martin missing until the next day, a way to damage trayvon martin to imply that it wasn't unusual for him

to be up all night. but another analyst said the bottom line is that's not relevant to showing whether or not zimmerman acted in self-defense, so they probably won't call him up. but if they do, get ready because that's going to be interesting. >> brian todd for us, thank you very much. "the situation room" continues now with my colleague, john berman. john? >> thanks so much, brianna. have a great weekend, if you have one. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now, gripping testimony of trayvon martin's mother and george zimmerman's mother take the stand, both saying they heard their own son screaming in the 911 tape. also, an embarrassing backtrack by the state department, now admitting secretary of state john kerry was on his yacht during egypt's coup. plus, a cnn exclusive. 20 kinds of explosives, each capable of bringing down a plane. we're going to go inside the tsa's bomb training class. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off today.

i'm john berman. you're in "the situation room." one of the most anticipated days of the george zimmerman trial and a series of blockbuster witnesses, including trayvon martin's mother and george zimmerman's mother. both women listening to the 911 tape of the fatal confrontation and both women testifying that it was their own son's anger screams that can be heard on the tape. >> 911, do you need police, fire or medical? >> maybe both, i'm not sure. there's just someone screaming outside. >> okay, what's the address that they're near? >> 1211 twin trees lane. >> twin trees lane? is it by the town homes in sanford? >> yes. >> okay, and is it a male or female? >> it sounds like a male. >> and you don't know why? >> i don't know why. i think they're yelling "help," but i don't know.

send someone fast. >> does he look hurt, do you know? >> i can't see him. i don't know what's going on, but -- [ screaming ] >> so, you think he's yelling "help"? >> yes. >> okay, what is your -- >> were you able to hear that voice? >> yes, yes, sir. >> in the background. >> yes. you heard, of course, a woman's voice in the foreground, correct? >> yes, sir. >> do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> yes, sir. >> and whose voice was that? >> my son, george. >> and are you certain of that? >> because he's my son. >> now, gripping testimony, but just hours earlier, trayvon martin's mother said the same thing. >> 911, do you need police, fire or medical? >> um, maybe both, i am not sure. there's just someone screaming outside. >> okay, what's the address that

they're near? >> 1211 twin trees lane. >> twin trees lane? is it there by town homes in sanford? >> yes. >> okay, and is it a male or female? >> it sounds like a male. >> and you don't know why? >> i don't know why. i think they're yelling "help," but i don't know. send someone pretty fast. >> okay. does he look hurt, do you know? >> i can't see him. i don't know what's going on, but -- they're coming. >> so, you think he's yelling "help"? >> yes. >> all right, what is your -- >> were you able to hear that voice? >> yes, yes, sir. >> in the background. >> yes. >> you heard, of course, a woman's voice in the foreground, correct? >> yes, sir. >> do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> y, sir. >> and whose voice was that? >> my son, george. >> and are you certain of that?

>> because he's my son. >> i want to play a recording for you, ma'am. >> 911, do you need police, fire or medical? >> um, maybe both. i'm not sure. there's just someone screaming outside. >> okay, what's the address that they're near? >> 1211 twin trees lane. >> twin trees lane? is it there by the town homes in sanford? >> yeah. >> okay, and is it a male or a female? >> it sounds like a male. >> and you don't know why? >> i don't know why. i think they're yelling "help," but i don't know. just send someone quick, please, fast. >> okay. does he look hurt, do you know? >> i can't see him. i don't want to go out there. i don't know what's going on, but -- they're sending. >> so, you think he's yelling "help"? >> yes. >> all right, what is your phone number there -- >> just, there's gunshots. >> you just heard gunshots?

>> yes. >> ma'am, that screaming or yelling, do you recognize that? >> yes. >> and who do you recognize that to be, ma'am? >> trayvon benjamin martin. >> so, let's bring on our legal experts here. obviously, some very dramatic testimony. cnn legal analyst sunny hostin here, also mark nejame, a defense attorney, tried a lot of cases in the state of florida. we heard from trayvon martin's mother this morning. we heard from george zimmerman's mother the last hour. we also heard from trayvon martin's brother and george zimmerman's uncle, a lot of family members all testifying it was either one voice or the other. sunny, you were in that courtroom. what do you think the jury takes from this at the end of the day as they head into a weekend? >> listen, i think that jurors don't look at these cases in pieces. i think at the end of the day, when they get charged by the judge to not lose their common sense when they go into the

courtroom, they look at the case all together in one piece. and while some may think, okay, well, this is a wash. you've got two family members versus two family members. when you look at the context of the statements, i think that the state kind of wins in that debate, primarily because you have a mother and a brother and a mother and an uncle. i think a brother's testimony might hold more weight with the jury. and also, if you look at just the circumstance. you know, the uncle i think was a bit incredible when he said out of nowhere, he heard his nephew's voice on television as he was typing on the computer. i think that's a bit incredible. and i also think that if you look at the context of this incident, the 911 -- on the 911 call, john, the screams are silented right after the shot. i think that would imply to the everyday person that the person that was screaming for help is the person that was shot. and so, again, you look at it in context, i think the state would likely win that debate. >> mark, let me ask you a

slightly different version of that question. >> i'm sure he disagrees. >> okay, i'll let you disagree. >> well, you know, sunny says they kind of win. well, this is not a civil case where the standard is a preponderance of the evidence. this is a criminal case, which is beyond a reasonable doubt. and one has to ask then, did the state present such overwhelming evidence that beyond a reasonable doubt their side was more believable than the defense side? and kind of winning and maybe they got it or, you know, that doesn't do it in a criminal case, any criminal case, the state has to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. and so, we are not even dealing with a preponderance of the evidence and i don't even think they reached that standard, but even if they did, they've got to go beyond that for a criminal case. and i think you had incredible witnesses on both sides. i think both of them are impeachable because they have a vested interest in this, they have a bias. they love their respective person. you know, of course, trayvon's

family loves him and wished that he was back with them. and of course, george zimmerman's family believes that he's innocent and he didn't do this. so, there's a bias automatically attached to their perception. it's a human characteristic, a human flaw or a human positive, we don't know, but they are human and that's going to impact and affect their testimony. so, with all that, i don't think that any of that is going to push the jury one way or another. i think other aspects of the case taken as a whole is what's going to have to be looked at in order to, you know, really get an evaluation of what this jury's going to do. >> sunny, let me ask you a different version of that -- who needed this more today, the prosecution or the defense? >> oh, i think the prosecution certainly needed it, and i think they got it. i will tell you that i thought that the medical examiner's testimony wasn't as helpful as they wanted it to be. i think he was a bit of a loose cannon. that happens sometimes. when you're a prosecutor, you don't get to pick the medical

examiner who's conducting the autopsy in your case. you get what you get. and so, i think that may have been a problem, because he couldn't be controlled, although he maintained his disposition throughout, he spoke with conviction, and i was in the courtroom for his testimony, and he did appear quirky and charming, and the jury laughed along with him. but in my view, i've just never seen a medical examiner be such a loose cannon in a courtroom. i don't know how that's going to play out. >> so, we're going to come back to the medical examiner in a little bit. i want to focus a little bit more on the family here. and mark, as a defense attorney, one interesting question here. given that the defense knew they were going to call george zimmerman's mother and george zimmerman's uncle to kind of balance out the testimony from trayvon martin's mother, did the defense need to go so hard after trayvon martin's mother in the cross examination? it makes it even more odd to me that mark o'mara was quite as

tough as he was. >> yeah, i agree. i think that he went farther than he needed to. i think it was a risky defensive move for the defense and i don't think it turned out good for them. i think that you don't do that. and if you're going to do it, you really need -- it's almost a hail mary pass because the case is not going your way, and in this particular case, i think that the defense feels rather confident. it's not the -- no matter what anybody thinks, those who are looking at this, we know it's not a great -- it's not an overwhelming state case. so, there is no reason for the defense to go as far as they did. i think the biggest point they wanted to bring out, and i think it could have been brought out a lot cleaner and simpler and a lot shorter, was very simple. they would have said, they wanted to prove that if trayvon martin was, in fact, on the bottom, then the whole thing might be turned around in a different way. because i believe they're confident they're going to be able to show it was george

zimmerman who was on the bottom. so, that's all they should have kissed, that's all they should have touched, and that's even risky if they wanted to go to that little bit, but yeah, i think they went farther than they needed to. >> do you think the jury even remembers that from this morning as they head into this weekend? >> i think that a lot of things pass. remember the abysmal opening that many people thought occurred. well, a lot of that is distant memory. i even said that trayvon martin's mother after the m.e. appeared, some of that almost became a distant memory, because you know, you move on to the next one and then you look at it as a whole when you're deliberating. so, i don't think they were particularly enamored with mark o'mara at that moment. i think particularly five out of six women on the jury are mothers, they didn't like that. i'm speculating, but i believe that. but with that said, i think he's come across as pretty likable, you know, that the jury's been -- he's been nice, he's been respectable.

i think don west has been the bad guy and i think in general he's been the good guy and i don't think they'll hold it against him for a conviction. i think that will be one element amongst many that they'll look at when they go into deliberations. >> mark nejame and sunny hostin, we're going to come back to you, because up next, bizarre testimony, really strange, from the medical examiner who conducted the final autopsy on trayvon martin's body. also a lot of other news. just weeks ago, they were meeting. john kerry there with former egyptian president mohamed morsi. now we're learning that the secretary of state was on his yacht while the egyptian president morsi was being deposed. plus, all business eyes on a new jobs report, a big one, and what it says about the state of the u.s. economy. we'll be right back. humans. we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back, offering exclusive products like optional

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so, the day's most bizarre and confrontational testimony in the george zimmerman trial came from a medical examiner. dr. shiping bao did the final autopsy on trayvon martin, but he testified he has no memory of it. and what he said next really did spark a courtroom controversy. >> i do not remember anything, zero, anything on the day of autopsy. i depend on my notes. >> show me what you're looking at. >> before this testimony, i told you i spent hundreds, hundreds of hours. i put down potential answers to your potential question. these are my notes. >> may i see them, please? >> i'd rather you do not see. this is my notes -- >> dr. bao, if you're going to be reading from your notes, both attorneys are entitled to see what you're reading from. >> okay, no problem. >> so, please allow him to do so. you may approach the witness.

>> all right, let's bring back our experts here. cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and attorney mark nejame. what do you think that the medical examiner could remember nothing from the autopsy? zero, he said. >> see, that didn't concern me as much as some other things, only because, i mean, if he's conducted, as he says, 3,000 autopsies, and you know, this happened months and months ago, he may not have any independent recollection of conducting the autopsy, and that happens oftentimes, and you hear experts get on the witness stand and say that very thing, john. they say, well, i've conducted 5,000 autopsies, and right after i conduct the autopsy, i write down my notes, i do my narrative and that's what i'm relying upon. so, that didn't actually worry me as much. what worried me more was sort of his disposition on the witness stand. it started out that he was very much the scientist that you would expect from a medical

examiner, and somewhere, somehow it went off the rails and he became this loose cannon. he became a caricature. and that's what concerns me. >> it was wishy-washy is how i've heard it described. go ahead, mark. >> yeah, and i was real concerned about the fact that, you know, the case has been going on of this magnitude for well over a year, and now three weeks ago, there's one case that comes in, which he didn't even perform the autopsy on, but he reads the report and he now uses that as his control to now go from one to three minutes that somebody can survive after taking a hit to the heart at the left ventricle to now one to ten minutes, i mean, arguably, ten times as much from the one minute and triple from the three minutes. you know, some of these things just really challenged his credibility. and as we're looking at this, this is an expert. and now to take a single incident that happened in his office relative to all the studies, the medical school and, you know, all of the seminars

that he would go to and everything else, he's got one simple case that he doesn't even know if it i've exactly like this case. it was kind of, maybe similar like it. and now he's using that as a standard. it just came across as less than professional and less than the state needed, too, and i don't think they expected any of this. i think they expected a simple m.e. to take the stand, they would deal with the typical things that go on and they were going to be getting their big finale here over the pictures of trayvon after his mother and his brother's very moving testimony, and it didn't turn out that way at all. this was disjointed it was jumbled, it was mumbled, and it didn't just give them a nice, clean, strong close. it showed that they were really not as organized and not as efficient and not as clean as they need to make a case. >> if mark's right, sunny, that it was not the grand finale that the prosecution was hoping for, why put him on, especially why put him on last? >> yeah, i mean, i will tell

you, a lot of murder cases do end with the medical examiner. you try your case in a very linear way, a linear fashion. so, it wasn't unusual for them to make that decision. again, what was unusual was that this was a witness it was clear that you could not control. the judge could barely control this witness, and this is a judge who's pretty hard core and has been able to maintain a certain decorum in the courtroom from day one, controlling these pretty larger-than-life attorneys. so, i just think they got this medical examiner, luck of the draw, and he really kind of went off the rails. i want to disagree with mark for a moment, though, because i think scientists, in my experience, are always learning from their cases. and so, the fact that he had this case three weeks ago that was very similar to the trayvon martin case, and he is learning from that i didn't think made him in-credible. again, it wasn't so much what he was saying, it was the manner in which he was saying it.

>> i would say -- >> hang on one second, mark. >> yeah. >> let's play one thing he did say. let's talk about the science of this, what he was there to talk about. he talked about the moments after trayvon martin died. let's listen. >> are you saying that his brain is still technically alive, in other words? >> yes. >> okay. that's what you mean by still alive, in terms of conscious, his brain is still alive. >> yes. >> okay. he can still feel pain, in other words. >> yes. i believe. it is my opinion that he was still alive, he was still in pain, he was still in suffering. >> so, mark, i cut you off there. the scientist there talking about the idea of pain. why is that important? >> well, it shows -- i mean, one, from the prosecution point, you know, there's suffering going on, so that's obviously something that they want to bring out to the jurors, but from the defense point, you know, a big issue in this case that is very good for the prosecution that the defense has to really address, and that is

that george zimmerman has come out with various statements and said that he laid -- he was atop trayvon martin and then he laid him out after the shot was fired. and then when the first responders showed up, trayvon martin's arms were underneath him. so, what the defense was trying to bring out during this was that, in fact, he was still alive for some period of time, capable of saying, you got me or you shot me or something along those lines, and that he might have had the capacity to move his arms back in, and hence, that would explain why the first responders saw trayvon martin's arms tucked to his side or underneath him. we don't know that, but that's where all this was going, because that is a discrepancy that's been unanswered. >> mark nejame, sunny hostin, thank you so much. you've been working hard all day, all week. enjoy your weekend, if you have one. the jury is in recess for the weekend, but there is a lot to talk about. at the top of the hour, join brooke baldwin for "self-defense or murder?"

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some good news here, stocks jumped sharply today. the dow was up 147 points as all three major indices rose about 1%. wall street cheered a solid jobs number as hiring grew much more than expected last month, but -- and there is always a but -- there could be a bit of a cloud to go with that silver lining. here's cnn business correspondent zain asher. >> hi, john. let's get right to the numbers. 195,000 jobs added in june, a lot better than the 155,000 we had been expecting. the unemployment rate essentially unchanged at 7.6%. i want to talk to you about where these jobs are coming from. let's start with retail.

this is an area that's been doing well month over month, up 37,000 in june. obviously, earlier on this year, we saw these record highs in the stock market. we also saw home prices rise 12% compared to last year. that gives rise to what's known as the wealth effect. so, people feel wealthier, and therefore, they go out and spend. that is certainly helping retail. another area that's doing very well is health care. basically, baby boomers requiring more and more at-home health aides. by the way, one of the fastest growing jobs in america but also one of the worst paid, which brings me to my next point. a lot of the jobs we've gained during this recovery in areas like health care, retail, leisure and hospitality are low-wage jobs. i want to talk to you about an area that hasn't been doing well at all, and that is government jobs. because of the sequester, we are losing more and more government jobs, partly because of government workers who are retiring who are simply not being replaced. lastly, want to talk to you about this, the underemployment

rate, which includes people who are out of a job but also people who are working part-time who would rather be working full-time. and obviously, 14.3%, john, that is still too high. john? >> indeed, too high. our thanks to zain asher. coming up here next, so, the coup was just the beginning. we're going to go live to cairo, where deadly violence has broken out. and we're also going to go inside a tsa bomb training center. it is a cnn exclusive. stay with us. ♪ ♪ unh ♪ ♪ hey! ♪ ♪ let's go! ♪ [ male announcer ] you can choose to blend in. ♪ ♪ yeah! yeah! yeah! or you can choose to blend out. ♪ oh, yeah-eah! ♪ the all-new 2014 lexus is. it's your move.

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our own ben wedeman was caught up right in the middle of the violence. also, secretary of state john kerry spent time on his yacht while the egyptian president was being ousted. the state department first said he didn't. now it says he did. and just eight years after his kennetdeath, the vatican sae john paul ii will be made a saint. wolf blitzer off today. i am john berman and you are in "the situation room." it is midnight in cairo now. supporters of ousted president mohamed morsi have been battling with opponents. both sides hurling firebombs. morsi loyalists took to the streets today all across egypt, calling for his return to office, and the protests, they have turned deadly. in cairo, a massive crowd marched on the republican guard headquarters where morsi is said to be held right now. five people were reportedly shot and killed there.

17 fatalities are reported across egypt. cnn's senior international correspondent ben wedeman was caught up in the middle of it all today. let me first show you what happened. >> come to an end, and i'm told -- we're told -- >> reporter: i think we're having some problems here. they're trying to take away our camera. [ speaking foreign language ] stop it. >> all right, i have been on the phone from cairo right now. you can see, his camera was temporarily shut down there. ben, let me just ask you, what happened there? are you doing okay? >> reporter: yeah, we're fine. all that happened was they clearly didn't want us to be taking any pictures, certainly not any live pictures from very close to four armored personnel carriers that had been brought on under the edge of a bridge leading into the square where they've broken up these clashes between supporters and opponents of the muslim brotherhood.

the officer took away the camera. we had a heated conversation. and we soon became friends. we stepped away for a cup of tea and a few minutes later, the officer returned the camera and everyone was fine and we're now good friends. and it was just one of those incidents that one has on days like this. we've had many others. you just didn't see them live. but it seems that at least the area around tahrir is much, much calmer now. there are no clashes going on. the bridges that were blocked by burning cars have now been cleared, and it's calmer at midnight than it was at midday here in cairo. >> you say it's quieter now after midnight, but it was quite violent earlier with forces from both sides bumping heads, and worse, there were deaths there. any sense that when the sun rises tomorrow, it will start all over again?

>> reporter: well, there's no ruling that out. there still are, my colleague at the republican guard headquarters is reporting a large crowd still outside of the republican guard headquarters, people demanding the release of mohamed morsi as president. tensions are running very high at the moment. the fact that the army has intervened in some areas right across the city seems to have succeeded in at least keeping the two sides apart. tomorrow, however, we could be in it all over again. there's no sign that either side has decided to sit down and speak to one another at the moment with dialogue. it's rocks and molotov cocktails for now. >> rocks and molotov cocktails for now, after midnight in cairo. ben wedeman, thank you for that report. we'll check back with you later. appreciate it. 33 minutes after the hour. after a two-week trip

focused mainly on middle east peace efforts, secretary of state john kerry returned home this week, and then as some lucky and, let's say comfortable people do, he went to spend some time on his yacht. but that happened to be the same day that egypt's president was ousted in the coup. the state department, of course, muddied the waters by first saying kerry was not on his yacht and then saying that he was on his yacht. so, what does this all mean? let's turn to cnn foreign affairs correspondent jill doherty. help us sort this out, jill. >> all right. first, why is this controversial? you know, the role of the secretary of state during something like this, you know, street demonstrations, overthrowing the president of egypt, it's a big deal, and his role is crucial. and then also, changing a story can undermine credibility. so, this is how it happened. it started about 4:00 a.m. on wednesday. that is the day of the overthrow of the government in egypt. secretary kerry came back from a trip. as you mentioned, 12 days, big, long, international trip. he heads for washington.

and then as soon as he lands, or very quickly after that, he heads for nantucket. now, in nantucket, on nantucket, he has a boat, a very nice one, and you can see it in this cbs picture. cbs producer was on the spot. they noticed, that producer noticed secretary kerry, yelled out something about morsi. there was no reply. but then that producer began tweeting about it. now, that day, secretary kerry did make a lot of phone calls and there was an important one, a conference, a meeting at the white house at the situation room with president obama and other senior officials. and so, the implication was that he was basically phoning it in from his boat. thursday, jen psaki, who's the spokesperson for the state department, denied that he was on any boat. she said, "any report or tweet that he was on a boat is completely inaccurate." and then today, friday, there was basically an oops from jen

psaki, and she said, while he was briefly on his boat on wednesday, secretary kerry worked around the clock all day." saki says that the secretary did make a series, a lot of phone calls concerning egypt and that he was on that conference call pho phoning into the white house to the situation room. but one official says none of those calls were from the boat. so, the upshot of this basically is, state department is saying he was fully engaged, but he was fully engaged from that beautiful vacation spot of nantucket. john? >> fully engaged on land and apparently on sea as well. jill dougherty, thank you for sorting out the facts. we want to talk more about this. the issue is the secretary of state comes back from shuttle diplomacy, wants to end up on his work for a while and ends up working anyway. couldn't the spokeswoman have put it that way to begin with? let's bring in correspondent candy crowley, anchor of "state

of the union." what do you think this means for the secretary of state? >> probably not much. you know, john, in this town as well as i do that things matter, little things that happen matter along the way if they build into the general impression people have about someone. so, with john kerry, we saw during his presidential campaign when he went wind surfing in nantucket, he went skiing in vail, et cetera, et cetera. he is a sportsman. he likes to challenge himself athletically. he does like to yacht. and it all fed into this kind of elitist feel. well, look, john kerry isn't running for anything anymore. and the fact of the matter is that the president put a tweet out today with a picture, wished everybody a happy weekend, and it is a tweet of the president in a kayak. it says "have a great weekend." so, i don't think that his boss, the one person that controls john kerry's fate, actually cares where john kerry phoned it in from, as long as he phoned it in. we all know they have phone

lines. i think the problem may well be more about the state department and how it operates. >> you brought up the wind surfing from 2004. it really does seem that john kerry has a problem with all nautical sports. >> optics are not his thing. they just, you know, optics sort of go right over his head. >> let's talk about the state department's spokeswoman, jen psaki. she's been a political spokeswoman for a while now, very effective yiive in some c. do you think this caught her off guard when she was at the podium? >> i think this didn't happen at the podium, but in a series of reporters questions. like jen, is he on his yacht? you know, egypt's blowing up and et cetera. and so, she was working obviously with information that was false. it happens. and i think, as jill said, enough of these and you begin to think one of two things. either the spokesman's not telling you the truth on purpose, and i don't think that's the case here. i mean, we obviously have no way

of knowing, but just knowing jen psaki, i don't think she deliberately tried to mislead people that, you know, look, it's the age of twitter. let's face it, there are already pictures out there of john kerry doing various things up in nantucket. so, first of all, it's just not smart. second of all, i don't think in jen's ways. but bad information is just as bad as, you know, deliberately misleading. you've got to get your facts right first and you can't just be so categorical. absolutely didn't happen, totally didn't happen, and then have to come back and say oh, yeah, he was kind of there, because you know what? it makes a story that happened on wednesday come all the way to friday. >> facts do matter. candy crowley, thank you so much. do not forget to join candy this sunday on "state of the union," speaking about a lot more than boating. she'll be speaking with joint chiefs chairman martin dempsey about the egypt crisis in a fascinating interview. this sunday at 9:00 a.m. eastern only on cnn. next up here, it normally takes sent riaz, really, centuries, but just eight years

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so, the vatican made it official today, pope john paul ii is becoming st. john paul less than a year after his death, canonized along with pope john xxiii. cnn's brian todd has more on this. and brian, it seems that john paul ii was really on the fast track to sainthood. >> right, john, the fastest track to sainthood in the modern age. one said the vatican wanted to capitalize on the john paul magic, his huge popularity as pope, but his canonization is certainly not without controversy. at his funeral, thousands chanted "santo subito," sainthood now, a tribute to john paul ii, maybe the most popular pope in the modern history of the catholic church. it's now eight years later, and

the vatican's just announced it will declare john paul a saint. >> for an institution that typically thinks in centuries, this is remarkably quick. >> reporter: cnn vatican analyst john allen says according to vatican insiders, sainthood has been approved because a second miracle has been performed by john paul posthumously. >> in this case, the vatican is saying there is a report of a miraculous healing of a woman in costa rica. >> reporter: allen says, according to the report, the woman recovered from a severe brain injury. church protocol says it takes two miracles performed after death to make someone a saint. john paul's first miracle, an account that he cured a nun who reportedly had parkinson's, led to his beatification, the final step before sainthood. >> and a team of doctors first examined the miracle, then secondly, the team of theologians look at the miracles, and then they discuss amongst themselves the legitimacy and all the facts surrounding the miracles. >> reporter: then, a body of

cardinals has to approve sainthood. and finally, the pope signs off on it. the previous record for the fastest canonization in modern times, josa maria escriba, founder of opus day, made a saint 25 years after his death. john paul's about to shatter that. but there are critics who say not so fast on canonization. they say despite being so beloved, john paul ii didn't live up to expectations at a crucial moment in the church's history, a moment of shame that church leadership is still dealing with. a crippling sex abuse scandal involving thousands of victims with several church leaders accused of cover-ups. >> the wrath against john paul in the case of the sex abuse scandals is that this money taste sized during his papacy and he didn't respond directly to it. >> reporter: i put that to cardinal donald wuerl. what do you say to those? >> his ministry was so clearly a

ministry for everyone. when you're presiding over a worldwide church with over a billion members, surely, there are going to be things that happen over which you don't have a lot of control or maybe no control. >> cardinal wuerl and others say the measure of a saint is not the list of accomplishments or setbacks, but how holy the person was. canonizing john paul ii could come as early as this december. john? >> all right, thanks so much, brian. there's some thought that the vatican in approving john paul's sainthood is also making another move to appease those critics who mentioned the sex scandal abuse, right? >> that's right, and because as the vatican announces the canonization of john paul ii, it's also announcing that it is also making one of its predessors, john xxiii a saint as well. that seemed by some analysts as a way of diluting the announcement of john paul ii's canonization and maybe appeasing those critics who are upset with him over the sex scandal and his response to it. >> sounds like some politics at work there also. all right, brian todd in

washington. thank you so much. great to see you. have a great weekend. >> you, too. thanks. let's quickly look at the other top stories in "the situation room." the fbi announced the arrest in a suspect in what was an extortion scheme against paula deen. the suspect allegedly demanded $250,000 in exchange for not disclosing damning statements made by deen. deen has already lost many business sponsors after admitting she used a racial slur. nsa leaker edward snowden has applied for asylum in six more countries, that word from wikileaks on its twitter account, but the group says it will not name the countries now due to "attempted u.s. interference." snowden previously sought asylum in 21 countries. those shown in red on the map say they will not take him in. the countries in yellow are still said to be considering his request. and up next here, just a small bit of explosives but enough to bring down an airliner.

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all right. just into "the situation room," you were looking at live pictures from cairo in egypt. this is a demonstration in support of the deposed egyptian president mohammad morsi. the u.s. state department issuing a statement on the increasing violence in egypt. the spokeswoman saying, quote, we condemn the violence that is taking place today in egypt. we call on all egyptian leaders to condemn the use of force and prevent further violence among their supporters. as president obama said, we expect the military to ensure that the rights of egyptians, all egyptians, are protected. the voices of all who are protesting peacefully must be heard including those who welcome the events of those earlier this week and those who supported president morsi. there have been several deaths in cairo. we'll keep you updated on the swaying. we're going to move on to a dramatic look at why airport security is so tight.

you're about to see how even a tiny amount of explosive kansas city bring down an entire airplane. here is cnn's emily schmidt. >> reporter: if a professional training day can ever have an impact. >> fire in the hole! >> reporter: this could be it. it's the tsa's explosives class for first responders, federal air marshals and tsa employees. cnn was given rare access to this training off limits to the public. these are drolled blas eed cont blasts that mimic bombs terrorists have tried to use, especially on airplanes. >> 20 different types of explosives used in 20 different situations, concealed in 20 different ways. >> three, two, one. >> reporter: that explosion happened when a chicken carcass that had been placed on top of this pole was blown up. when it did, the debris flew in

all directions, some of it landing 30 feet away. all of that damage and it happened with an explosive the size of the tip of a ball point pen. it's why the tsa uses things like body scanners, pat downs and liquid bans, solutions not always popular with travelers. >> most people have to take their shoes off when they go through the ampt. is that reflected in one of those explosions? >> sleuth. one of our shots is a representation of the richard reid shoe bomb and that shows you the destructive power that can be concealed in shoes. >> reporter: tom conte has led more than 8400 people through the day-long class. this bomb is similar to the underwear bomb authorities say abdulmutallab tried to use to blow up a plane on christmas day of 2009. >> we mimic that shot to show the destructive power and what it could have done on that airplane that day. >> reporter: other blasts showed what happens when improvised explosive devices go off in a

crowd. >> it literally spun the mannequin around and shredded its clothes. you can see the severe injuries that the mannequin suffered. >> reporter: some of the training information is so sensitive we couldn't see it, but authorities do want to show that what happens here impacts what happens here in airport security. >> there's a reason why that exists, and, you know, a lot of the reasons were shown on the range today. >> reporter: the tsa says one of the big explosive concern that is arises this time of year is people trying to bring fireworks on the airplane. in fact, this picture shows fireworks gathered at some of the tsa checkpoints from roman candles to sparklers. these are all banned. you take a look at the power of some of the explosions on the bomb range, it's easy to see why. emily schmidt, cnn, reagan national airport. >> and our thanks to emily for that report. next here, a $10,000 tip for a burger and fries. wait until you meet the guy who left it. success story,"

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leaves a $10,000 tip on burgers and fries? one who has won $25 million playing the canadian lottery. >> yeah! >> reporter: clifford luther owns 9 old west express in saskatchewan. jive to pinch myself just to realize how generous he was. >> reporter: bob herb was on a road trip when he stopped at the diner to eat. the two men ended up chatting. cliff spoke of his daughter who had just been diagnosed of cancer. bob said he lost his 26-year-old son a few years back. on his return trip, bob stopped by the diner again for a bite. >> i said, hey, i didn't get a chance to stop at a bank machine, can i write you a check? i said for lunch. no, no, he says, i'll buy you lunch. i said no, no, no. i said i'll leave you a check and a tip. >> reporter: a $10,000 one. not quite as big as the check bob got last year. >> here is your check for $25 million. >> reporter: since then he figures he's given away $7 million, most of it to shelters

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