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have been better off engineering grooming devices. and try this. the hair cutting device you attack to the vacuum. if there is one thing that mohammed doesn't need it is more hair on the shoulders. >> that is it for me, erin burnett "out front" starts now. up front next, the prosecution makes closing arguments in the george zimmerman trial. so will it convince a jury to convict him? the huge question, we're in the final moments. plus, the judge making a final ruling, meaning that zimmerman could go to jail for years without being convicted of murder. and a moment by moment description of a crash landing, what really happened second by second. plus the latest on a town devastated by a train derailment. authorities say some of the
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victims may have been vaporized. let's go out front. and good evening, everyone, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, george zimmerman lied. that was the argument that prosecutor bernie de la rionda made again and again to the jury during his closing arguments today. >> why is he able to yell if the defendant claims the victim was -- how is he going to talk? or is he lying about that? look at the gun, look at the size of this gun, how did the victim see that in the darkness. you see what he is saying now? he is saying that arm pits -- how does he get the gun out? he profiled a 17-year-old boy that had skittles. that is the crime he committed
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that evening. >> did de la rionda convince the jury that george zimmerman is guilty of murdering trayvon martin. martin savige was in the courtroom today, and martin, what was the reaction from that moment we just watched? >> yeah, erin, i went back in there again, because we're down to the final arguments in the presentation of the case, what was it? a year and a half. and i went down there to see what the reaction was, and the at times very dramatic presentation by bernie de la rionda. and the reactions are the way they have been throughout the trial. very focused, attentive. i didn't see anyone shaking their heads in agreement. nothing like that. they didn't do anything to give away what they might have been registering internally to all of that. they were not taking as many notes. but again, this was summation. there were times they would
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write, which is specifically you would begin to hear the playbacks of george zimmerman. i wish you could tell you what they were thinking, but i can't, erin. >> i know, we all want to know and i guess we will know soon enough when they come with the verdict. but of course tomorrow, the defense first has to have their closing arguments before the jury will get this case. how does zimmerman's team feel at this point? i am just speaking when mark o'mara said his client was "worried." how do they feel? >> yeah, they're very nervous, mark o'mara is very nervous, i talked to him last night. normally he is very calm, cool, collected. but you can see there is an edge to him. of course, they say george is very worried. but mark o'mara will be the one delivering the closing arguments. he doesn't memorize it or write down notes, anything like that. basically an ad lib, with a few
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bullet points. he knows when the jury is wandering, and senses if they fade, and will adjust it. if he thinks he is losing it in any way he will wrap up quickly. it should be interesting to watch and probably i would expect, very different in style. >> very interesting, i guess i am surprised in a sense. i would imagine he has an outline to go by or something. we shall see. martin savige, thank you. i want to bring in our legal analyst, sunny hostin, i want to start with you, sunny and give them a sense of the closing argument today. they were talking about the medical examiner photos of trayvon martin. the crucial photos we've seen after he was killed. >> unfortunately, the only photographs left of trayvon martin are those m. e.
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photographs, i mean, they have photos of his younger days and football, but they can't take anymore photos. and that is true because of the actions of one person, the man before you. the defendant -- the man who was guilty of second degree murder. thank you. >> and you see george zimmerman there shaking his head, sunny. the bar to reach murder, obviously, is high, because prosecutors have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that george zimmerman acted from ill will, hatred, spite, those are serious words to prove. did the prosecution do it today? >> i think so i mean, i think they took all the little puzzle pieces and put them together and gave the jury a picture of what happened that night. i mean, there is no question that the jury knows that the focus, rather, was on who started the fight. the focus was who set the ball rolling. and the focus was also very much
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on trayvon martin. and bernie de la rionda described him, interestingly, he described him as someone that was not do anything unlawful. and that was at the very heart of this case, right? that is, ik,hat has captured the world about this case. can an african american, young teenager, young man walk to the 7-eleven, buy a couple of things on a snack run and get home without being murdered? and i think that really resonated with the jury. because it is a very common sense argument. it is not an argument necessarily tied to the law. it is not an overly lofty argument. it is a common sense argument, i was looking at the jury. i was there for the entire closing argument, and they were captivated. >> you know, he had those skittles and shook them, a proper that could be perhaps very powerful. do you agree with sunny, or do you think there were any
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significant failures that just stood out as huge red flags from the state today? >> i think the state failed in proving second degree. you had to prove he had a depraved mind, which was not proved whatsoever. the fact is, they're going off of emotion, who set the ball in motion. that is not the law, who followed whom is not the law. it is the physical aggressor that is the law. if you put that aside and put out emotion, saying he shouldn't have got out of the car, all of those things are not the law in florida, it was the first physical aggressor besides what came out in testimony. and what came out in testimony appears to be trayvon martin was the first physical aggressor. >> i got to disagree. you know, and sunny and i have disagreed on some aspects on this case, but boy, sunny i'm with you today. that was a powerful, mesmerizing closing argument by bernie de la rionda. you know what he did?
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he put the pieces of the puzzle together, some are saying why did he put all of those witnesses on who were adverse to his case? he said you know why i put them on? you could line up and say there is no reason why a 17-year-old boy was dead. >> you think he successfully connected the dots? >> i think he put together the best possible links to the dots. i'm not saying they will win this case, because it is weak to begin with, but with what he had to work with he did a brilliant job. >> the emotion comes through, that is great, i'm emotional when i make my closing statement. but did he prove second degree murder? no, he did not prove it. they may come back hung on m manslaughter, but that is the closest they got, never second degree murder. >> there are a few options, second degree, 20 years to life, manslaughter, ten years in the state of florida, and of course, not guilty, the state and
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defense were arguing about what lesser charges they could put in front of the jury. the state wanted to argue that zimmerman committed child abuse because he straddled trayvon martin because he was underage. here is how attorney don west reacted. >> this is outrageous, outrageous that the state would seek to do this at this time in this case. it is not fair to me or mr. zimmerman or mr. o'mara or the court for this to happen like this right now. judge, this was a trick. doesn't the court realize this was a trick -- >> sunny, what do you think? trick? i mean, it does seem a little bit bizarre, but will it work? a sign of desperation on the side of the law? >> i think the defense has access to that book. i just think they had not thought of it. so certainly it was a little bit
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late in the day. it was a stretch. but i don't think it was a trick, there was not anything unlawful about it. and it was pretty clever because it would have focused the jury on the fact that trayvon martin was a child in the eyes of the law. and that is why i thought it was pretty clever. i actually think the judge made the right ruling. >> all right, thank you very much to all three of you. we appreciate your time. and of course, the defense closing argument tomorrow. up next, the trial continues with an attorney for the family. would they be satisfied to see george zimmerman with a lesser charge. and plus, the attacks on september 11th, we're learning about a strange habit in prison, this is one of the more bizarre things i've heard. and a former football player allegedly terrorized by his wife. well, we have the 911 call. >> and what is she wearing? >> she is wearing a bullet proof vest. >> she is wearing a bullet proof
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zimmerman assumed that trayvon martin was a criminal. and that is why he is dead now. but after 12 days of trial, 56 witnesses and 200-plus exhibits, did the state prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt? that is the only question that matters. today, prosecutors tried to introduce a lesser charge at the last minute but the judge didn't buy it. >> i went back and looked at all of this, and i don't think the evidence supports a charge to the jury for third degree felony murder on child abuse charge. so i am not going to give that instruction. >> and we asked, i mean, we're trying to understand why you would try to introduce a random lesser charge at the last
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minute? sign of being desperate, or they're just trying to cover every single base that they can. now, going to the attorney for trayvon martin's family. natalie, always good to have you. >> thank you. >> i want to talk about the lesser charge, why did they do that? wouldn't you think if you were totally confident you would get the conviction you went for, why would they do that? >> i tried many cases and the state always brings in many lesser charges as they can, it just covers all the bases, as you said. that is why they did it. >> so let me ask you this, during the closing arguments, the state brought up all the ideas in the case, the forensic evidence, the eyewitness testimony. i want to start with the prosecutor's description of testimony from a woman who lived in the complex and who said she believed she saw george zimmerman on top of trayvon martin during the fight. >> she had a good vantage point, she did observe something. and what did she tell you?
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that based on her opinion, what she saw, she thought the bigger man was on top. and, she told you that the voice she heard she thought was a child versus an older person. now, is she an expert? had she ever heard these voices before? no, she is just telling you what she believes. >> obviously, trying to make the case for george zimmerman, having been on top. the state almost conceded that trayvon martin was on top during this demonstration. >> trayvon martin backing up, could not the defendant have shot him at a 90-degree angle? >> all right, so this is tough, you can't have it both ways. i guess the bottom line, the whole point of reasonable doubt. doesn't this create reasonable doubt in the state's case? >> no, i heard a lot of analysts, i didn't see it as them conceding. i heard them saying it was a fluid fight, we don't know what happened. we didn't have witnesses that saw the fight from beginning to
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end. but we do know who started the confrontation. this is a simple case from the start. we know that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin. the question before the jury is was he justified? the only justification comes from george zimmerman. and as we saw the state do, they brought in george zimmerman's inconsistencies. the jury is going to be instructed you can believe somebody or not believe them. and the weight to decide is how many times do they tell the truth, versus exaggerate or tell a lie. >> all right, and let me ask you about this, the forensics. as you know, natalie, you and i talked about this the other day, one of the top forensic experts, dr. di maio, had some damaging evidence for the state. let me just conclude what he said, about trayvon martin being on top. here he is. >> barrel of the gun was against the clothing, the muzzle of the gun was against the clothing,
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but the clothing itself had to be two to four inches away from the body. this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account that he -- that mr. martin was over him. leaning forward at the time of the shot. >> can the state get past that, again, ally, with this whole question of reasonable doubt, is what matters? >> yes, because it has to be who started the confrontation, who was defending themselves. it doesn't matter who was on top or bottom at the end of the struggle. what matters is what happened before the struggle, who started the fight. and i think the state made a very common sense argument that you cannot pursue someone -- you cannot follow them, confront them, and then struggle with them and say oh, now i have to defend myself. >> i understand what you're saying, even if he was defending himself if it was his fault that he ended up in that position, it is not his fault. >> what do you do, you look at
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was there a proportionate force, i think the state did a good job of pointing out the minor injuries of george zimmerman. was it reasonable for him to use deadly force considering the injuries he had that needed to be just washed off. there was no bandages, no stitches, nothing. >> all right, natalie, a pleasure to talk to you as always. and still to come, the attorney for george zimmerman. >> just when i thought this case couldn't get anymore bizarre. >> that was don west and he has said truly bizarre things in the trial and the hits keep coming. and cars swept away by a massive mudslide. we'll show you the video shot from inside one of these cars. er fruit chews. they work fast on heartburn and taste awesome. these are good. told ya! i'm feeling better already.
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jeanne moos, jeanne m j i'm wolf blitzer, this is c cnn. he has been one of the most out spoken and animated lawyers, taking on the prosecution and at times, even the judge. the attorney, don west, is who i'm talking about. he may have been relatively unknown before this trial but he has become the character. he has made headlines every day. >> knock, knock. who is there? george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right, good, you're on the jury. nothing? that is funny. we certainly couldn't have taken mr. crump's deposition during the trial day, the court doesn't
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expect either mr. o'mara or myself to leave the courtroom, i wouldn't think -- >> he has left for other reasons, but now i have a jury sequestered that are going to be off on thursday. and you don't want court on friday, that saturday or sunday, i'm not doing that. >> it is simply unfair for mr. zimmerman not to be able to put on his defense because of the state's tactics, playing games with us. lying to this court, and now it is our fault? it is our fault? denying mr. zimmerman the right to present this information violates both the florida and the united states constitution. thank you. >> i've said this before, we have to allow the court reporter to take one person speaking down at a time. wait for the next question, thank you, you may proceed -- again. >> why. >> stop. >> because mr. west said, i would offer him the opportunity right now to apologize to me for
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suggesting that i stood by silently with information that i did not have. >> i'm not getting into this. court is in recess, i will give my ruling in the morning. >> it is 10:00 at night. >> 9:56. no, court is in recess, thank you very much with all due respect. we'll see i at 8:00 in the morning. >> i'm not physically able to keep up this pace. it is 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we have had full days every day. weekends, depositions at night. they have been lying in wait, collecting all of this loosely connected child abuse case law, where 2-year-olds have been shot by somebody who was reckless with the gun. the state is seeking this instruction as part of a larger scheme, another trick that the state is seeking. >> i don't want to hear the word "trick" anymore with regard to these allegations. >> this is outrageous, it is outrageous that the state would seek to do this at this time in
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this case. >> all right, out front next, our coverage of the trial continues, the investigation. as we promised tonight what would happen to george zimmerman if he is acquitted? will his life be in jeopardy or not? as we said, an out-front investigation. plus, more developments in the asiana crash. something that the pilot said happened just before the plane went down. and the most bizarre story of the day, at least we think so. why the cia let one of the most famous terrorist suspects in history design a vacuum cleaner. plus, tonight's shoutout, a mudslide in colorado, heavy rains causing cars like that one to be swept away. this is what it was like inside one of those cars. the man who shot the video told the "colorado springs gazette," that he looked down for a moment, when he looked up, he saw the mudslide.
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. and welcome back to the second half of "out front." we start with stories where we focus on reporting from the front lines. and i want to start by giving details about khalid sheikh mohammed, the admitted ma mastermind of the terrorist attacks. they admit he granted him an odd request. he wanted to design a vacuum
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cleaner. now cnn cannot independently verify this story. now, cnn wondered why they approved such a request. we asked the former cia operative bob beir, who said they just simply didn't want to see mohammed bang his head against the wall. if he was going to end up in court, they say they needed him to be sane, vacuum cleaner design. and releasing a 911 call, made by chris benson after his estranged wife, anne, allegedly broke into his home and threatened him. >> my ex-wife has gotten into my house and has a gun. >> she has a gun? >> yes. >> where is she right now? >> she is in the house, and i'm downstairs in the basement. >> well, has she threatened you with that gun? >> yes. >> does she live there? >> no. >> okay, and what is she wearing? >> she is wearing a bullet proof
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vest. >> she is wearing a bullet proof vest? >> yes. >> anna benson also had a baton, ammo, and a knife. she faces misdemeanor wrong doing, but denies it. police say they have not had a call to kris's home. and justin bieber and a video, showing him urinating in a bucket as he and his group walked through a new york city kitchen. cnn's anthony bourdain, who knows quite a bit about working in new york city kitchens, talked about the words called, that i won't repeat on this family program. bieber could be summoned if the restaurant files a complaint. no word if bill clinton cares about justin bieber. and stocks rising to record
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highs today, the dow up about 170 points. the nasdaq at its highest level in nearly 13 years, all because ben bernanke said that highly quantitavive money policies, interest rates will remain low for the foreseeable future. and everybody in this country is waiting for a verdict, right? that is what you want to hear, give me a verdict. well, zimmerman has his own choice to consider, if he is acquitted. will he be able to live any kind of human existence or not? we wanted to know. so david mattingly is out front with this investigation. >> reporter: he has been in hiding for a years, daring to venture out in disguise and wearing body armor. since killing trayvon martin, life for george zimmerman is filled with isolation and
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caution. >> i believe his life is at risk. i don't say it for dramatic effect. there are a lot of people that think he killed trayvon martin for racial reasons even no nothing supports that. and if they feel that anger enough, they could violate that. >> there are tweets wishing bodily harm or death. if george zimmerman goes free it is almost certain he won't be able to go back to the life he had before, pursuing a career in law enforcement. >> my advice would be that is the worst thing you can do. that is the absolute worst thing you can do. it might be your old passion, my advise would be you need to find a new passion. and it needs to be helping people in a very different way. a way that is much more compassionate, not just involving law enforcement. >> for a view of life after acquittal, zimmerman may need to look no further than casey anthony, the hated mother found not guilty of murdering her
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2-year-old daughter, she has since lived in isolation and financial ruin. >> and you never know where the nuts are. there are still people that threaten me. >> it sounds like there are very severe consequences for being found not guilty, by the public opinion. it may not be hopeless for zimmerman, he continues to have strong support from his immediate family. part of his defense is being paid by thousands of dollars donated by the public. but even here there could be problems into he has got to be very careful, because he has supporters out there that could create more division here. he has to be able to avoid the appearance of creating more divisions by accepting money or support openly from groups that maybe would create more friction because of the -- you know, the tenor of this case. he has to be very careful about who he associates with afterwards, even if they're
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offering financial support. >> reporter: a frequent piece of expert advice to zimmerman is to be contrite and disappear. the last thing george zimmerman should do is give the appearance he beat the system. >> so let's just say the jury goes with not guilty. where does george zimmerman go? is there any place he could live his own life with his own name? george zimmerman, at this point. >> well, he will have options. he has been confined to seminole county, a condition of his bond when he was finally let out of jail. and if he is acquitted. he has family ties to virginia, his mother is from peru. we don't know where he will go. he has to go somewhere where he is not quite so recognized. and that probably means leaving central florida. >> all right, thank you so much for david mattingly. >> and i want to go to late breaking details on the final
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moments of the asiana flight 214. according to reports there were no signs of problems on board until literally seconds before the crash at the airport. >> so at 500 feet, landing check list is completed. and there is no mention of speed until about nine seconds before impact when they're at 100 feet. about five seconds later, and about three seconds before impact there is a call for a go-around. there is a second call for a go-around at 1.5 seconds prior to impact. >> let's just take those specifics of what she did, and talk to a 30-year pilot who has flown the boeing 777s, the type
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of flight that crashed. when you heard it was not until seconds that the pilot heard problems, nearly a second before they were still requesting permission to abort the landing, what would it suggest to you? would it be pilot error, communication with the tower, or a problem with the plane? >> well, they had a communication problem with the control tower on their two initial calls, according to the ntsb. that late in the approach, they should not have any further communications problem. they're stabilized on the approach. they should be on approach speed, on approach path and just about to touch down. clearly, somebody was not monitoring the air speed enough to complete a stabilized approach to the runway. whether or not there is an airplane issue with that remains to be seen. >> right, and you say somebody. so let's talk about what you just said. and we do know the plane was flying too slow on the approach. as you determined. at the point of impact the plane
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was flying 121 miles an hour, significantly slower. just a technical question to you, when they requested the chance to do a go-around, literally at the last second, is the plane, triple 7 flying fast enough to even attempt a go-around at that time. >> well, that is a good point, the plane needs to accelerate to 157 miles an hour, as you said, to achieve enough lift from the engine and the wings to execute the go-around maneuver. taking the time that it takes the engines to go to the full power required to make the go-around, that takes a few seconds itself. during which time if the plane is too slow, the thrust is used to achieve the speed before it can achieve any height. >> so they didn't really have that time. let me ask you this, investigators say the pilot
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waited 90 seconds before any deployment. they said let's evacuate, before the flight attendants saw fire and then the pilots said go ahead. did the pilots do the right thing here? how soon after a crash -- would the pilots say evacuate the plane? i understand the fuel tanks would be empty, you would think the first thing naturally to do would be get the hell out. >> well, that is a difficult call the make sitting here a few days later. when the pilots do call for an evacuation there is a check list that must be followed to make the airplane safe for people to leave. in this case, the airplane was broken up. the engines and landing gear had separated and it was not a normal scenario for an evacuation. the pilots may not have had a lot of information about the condition of the cabin and the rest of the airplane. they're suffering from some state of shock themselves, no
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doubt. >> right. >> so they're waiting -- and i don't know how much power, electricity they had to communicate, via the inner phone with the cabin crew or with the control tower. so they may have had waiting for outside cues from the crash fire rescue people or the flight attendants to assess the situation before an evacuation was obviously ordered. >> all right. >> once the flight attendants did see fire on the outside of the airplane they did initiative the evacuation themselves -- initiate the evacuation themselves. >> the latest from the town devastated by a deadly train derailment. up to 50 dead. and the words now that authorities are using for how those people died is vaporized. plus, a new cell phone app, is this fair warning or an absolute invasion of privacy?
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. and we are back with tonight's outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world. and tonight, i want to go to canada. authorities believe now as many as 50 people may be dead after that horrific train derailment. and the word they are using to describe how those people died is vaporized. it is a horrific thing to even contemplate, i asked what was told about the tragedy. >> erin, as you can imagine there is overwhelming grief, but also growing anger here in
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lac-megantic, canada, and much of it is directed at the company that owns the freight train, that claimed the lives of 50 people. the president visited the town yesterday and received a very hostile reception. well, today, he spoke exclusively to cnn to tell his side of the story and says he felt very much understood. >> they talked about i had no sympathy, no empathy. in fact, i had plenty. i can imagine myself being in that kind of situation. and i also would be grieving and would be very unhappy and very mad about the whole thing, so i certainly understand the need to vent and to -- but it comes to a point where it is totally unproductive. and that is why i decided not to go back there today. >> and he was not given access
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to the site, nor was he granted a meeting with the mayor or the red cross. he and his company, of course, are assisting the police with their investigation. he said he had come here in hopes to begin the healing process and feels he has very much failed. erin? >> thank you, anna, i want to check with anderson on what is coming up on "ac 360". and the prosecution making their case, to find george zimmerman guilty of second degree murder. also, what does the defense need to do? and we'll dig deeper with judge nelson, she made it clear it will be a no nonsense trial. also, the passengers injured after the crash of the asiana flight. the latest on the investigation, at the top of the hour. >> all right, anderson, we'll see you in just moments.
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and now, exposing unsafe gun owners, there is now an app for that. as you can imagine, this is basically what it allows you to do. the user can tag the how louse gun owner that you think is reckless, and share that information with the rest of the planet. all right, this raises the question if this is an invasion of privacy or a good thing. all right, stephanie, let me explain again, the way the app words you can tag home and then add a comment. one example we saw says new owner leaves gun unlocked around kids. and then you can go ahead and see a map of the house which we will not show the viewers. the developer of the gun said this is a safety app in which parents and owners can alert each other on the safety in their neighborhoods. i know people are critical of this. but why should people be
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concerned if they say a new gun owner is leaving the gun unlo unlocked around the kids. >> you know, erin, i'm a liberal gun owner, so gun control you don't even want to know. but this seems counter-productive, like an obvious invasion of privacy and ripe for abuse. listen, i have a bunch of things i would love to tag, just for the heck of it. and i think lots of people would like to do it. they would tell people who want to steal guns where they are. you know, i think it is different when law enforcement says this is where you know, say child molester's live. and when a person just goes oh, i suspect this person of child abuse, this is where they live. you are know, i think that gets very subjective as to whether a gun owner is responsible or not. >> and it is an interesting point she raises, dean, because the comments are overwhelmingly
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negative. people are agreeing, saying this is dangerous and irresponsible, and could lead to break-ins. but is it really dangerous? i also could see the possibility for people wanting to say nasty things about other people, which generally is on line. i >> sure. and first of all, this app looks exciting to me. it looks better than angry birds or suduka and say people are acting like rambo with their gun. when you buy a gun, there is a background check that time only. you can developmental illness and why wouldn't you want your neighbors to know, people in the community to know somebody may be doing something wreakless. it could save your family's life or your neighbor's life. >> so you think -- >> i think it could be life saving. >> life saving. we're talking about george zimmerman and whether he was an over doing it neighborhood watchman. you have people saying, you know, i'm going to be an armed
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watchman, go out there, take the law in their own hands and say i don't think you should have this gun. you shouldn't do this around your kids. you could end up with horrible situations. >> that could happen if the app took off. but the thing is whenever you have any social media product of this kind, it relies on what we call a network effect. for it to be actually good and useful, you got to have a lot of people using it -- >> not a lot of people right now. >> exactly. you have to have a lot of people tagging people's houses. as stephanie said, there is no accountability here. if i just make something up about someone, then, well, i could just do that because there is no way to verify whether or not the comments you're making about someone are accurate, if that person is unsafe. that's why the market, i think regular users are just not going to adopt it, you won't have legions of people that will use it. so it's never going to be a use
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c useful tool or -- >> no need to worry about the government -- not our neighbors, about the government. >> say something -- >> erin -- >> we're together and fighting against people. call the police. don't just tweet about it and put something on your app. call police if you think someone is being wreakless. >> thanks to all three. every night we take a look outside the day's top storiri s for the "out front out take" just now oliver garden reached a tentative agreement to open the first location in hawaii. that is a huge piece of news for the casual dining chain because hawaii is only the state that doesn't have an oliver garden. the only state, it is true. very soon you can enjoy olive garden's italian dine experience in all 50 states and 780 -- 800 locations nationwide.
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i got to say, i like the oliver gardens, they do a good job decorating. earlier this week, an out front staffer was in rome when he happened upon this old wild west hamburger. yeah, a popular restaurant chain. look at it. it's all over italy but celebrates the classic american dine experience with western theme decorating that are italians enjoying free bread, hamburgers, ribs and dessert called a muffin. the food may not be classic italian fair but the restaurant is way more italian than you might think. still to come, nascar's new star. chris avvet nextment. 3w4r5 .
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rev up your engines because this is christmas abbot. the latest woman to join nascar. she's bolting tires in the pit, a physically grueling job few women attempt. she's not stopping there. if she has her way, she'll be the first woman ever to go over the wall in nascar's biggest race the sprint cup series. nascar has never seen anything like this. meet christmas joy abbot, yes, that's her real name. she's the first female pit crew member in history to have a shot at competing in elite nascar level races. the 31-year-old is barely over 5 feet tall but don't let that fool you. she's a force. she can dead lift 255 pounds, and squad upwards of 200.
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the 115 pound trailblazer has a gun tattooed on her hip for the time she spent in iraq. danica patrick may be the name you know but abbat is also breaking entirely new barriers for women tonight work in the pit she has to whip around a speeding race car with an our gun, rip a 60-pound tire off, bolt on a new one and repeat on the other side in about 12 seconds. >> good job, that was awesome. >> she practices every day to keep her stop on the team. >> so when i hit, i'm hitting straight on to cap the whole lug nut where i angle it it won't cap the whole lug nut and doesn't come all the way off and you caught yourself a tenth or two tenths or more of a second, which could mean the race. >> reporter: she says it was her competitive nature that drew her to the sport. >> it's kind of the adrenaline of run income front of a car and then having the car zip by you,
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get 60 miles an hour behind you and literally 2 feet of safety. >> reporter: she still remembers her first long walk towards the ex football players and military men that command the pit. >> it's walking into somebody else's house. i kept my head down and kept working. >> great job. that was very, very close. >> reporter: abbott didn't know it at the time but even her coach was skeptical what she could do. >> i thought it was a publicity stunt. a woman getting in the sport ruled by males, not something that comes across your desk every day. >> reporter: after seeing her in action, he became a believer. >> was just burning holes through her with her eyes f. that doesn't intimidate her, nothing will. >> reporter: abbott refuses to leave her femininity behind.
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she remains a woman in every sense. >> if i'm not in tennis shoes, i'm in pumps. i love wearing dresses and curling my hair but that doesn't mean i don't like to get dirty. i like to work. i like to be physical in my work, and i think that it's been overlooked that women can do both. both. ac 360 starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening everyone. jurors in the zimmerman trial have a lot to keep them awake. keeping trayvon martin a living presence in their eyes as he led them through the state's theory of the killing. a frightened teenager pursued and murdered by a want to be cop. we'll look at the prosecutor's courtroom performance and the case behind it. we'll focus as well on closing arguments for the defense and the impact on the judge's ruling allowing jurors to consider a lesser