deliberately to be the kind of movies they are, and i think they succeed for the most part. the unpretentiousness is part of the appeal. >> reporter: you will need to get yourself a bigger dvr, they have fans, and they will keep popping up everywhere. jake tapper, cnn, washington. and erin burnett "out front" starts right now. up front, next, george zimmerman's fate in the jury's hands, who are the six women to decide his fate. plus, the interview with mark o'mara, he tells us what he really thinks of the judge and prosecutor in the case. and just moments ago, a big development in the crash of the asiana in san francisco. let's go out front. >> and good evening, everyone,

i'm erin burnett, "out front." the watch, the george zimmerman trial, they deliberated for 3 hours, 33 minutes today. they suspended their deliberations and will be back tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. it is a six-person panel, all women, and they must unanimously agree on the verdict. did george zimmerman murder trayvon martin? was it manslaughter or is zimmerman not guilty of a crime? martin savige has been in the courtroom every day. and martin, all eyes are on this jury. you have been able to see them, obviously, we have not here from the television camera's point of view. but what can you tell us about the jury? >> well, you know, we so intimately follow the trial, not just to be in the courtroom but to watch the reaction of the jurors. so i know them all visually. but there is a lot we don't know about them.

a lot of it is to do with the fact we just don't give out identities of the jury. but especially in this case, because of the tensions, the security, we know there are six women, five white, one is of color, maybe hispanic, as well. on top of that, we're kn know t five of them have children, and their ages range from in their 20s to their 60s. and at least two women have an association with a weapon, a gun, one woman at one point had a concealed weapon license. and the others, their families own weapons. the truth is, all bets are off once they are back there deliberating. it is up to them to decide. the process is under way. some thought it would be really quick, now we know it won't be. >> right, it was funny when that happened today and they were released. look, it is going to be longer than we thought. if it was just four or five hours they may just finish

tonight late. and they were not even asked that. so when you watch them, you say you know them by sight, martin, what reaction have you seen throughout the trial? have there been -- who has been taking notes? anybody that is more emotional on one side or the other, made a particularly poignant point? >> yes, and no, some people are more note-takers than others. but they have all taken notes. i think that you know, everybody says the same thing when we all compare our notes about them. and that is that they pay close attention, all of them do, i mean, they take this very seriously. there is nobody nodding off or anything like that. they pay very close attention to whenever there is demonstration in the courtroom. some of them, those in the back row get up on their feet and look down. so everything tells those attorneys that they are closely watching this case. and maybe that is why we should not be surprised that there was

not some sort of snap verdict. that they know what is riding, they are serious, they are listening carefully and the fact they have asked for a list of all exhibits to be broken down by number and description means that they have a lot they want to reveal. >> all right, well, martin savidge, of course that is a good thing, with so many people watching this trial carefully, not sure what the implications might be, that the jurors have taken it so very, very seriously as they should. george zimmerman's family came out with a statement today, first to cnn, saying look, we respect this, no matter what the verdict is, and we respect it. another important thing to say tonight. our legal analyst, sunny hostin, and paul, let me start with you on how the judge instructed the jury on the very long, drawn out process.

47 pages, i read along as she said it. here are the two highlights. and it sounds like we obviously don't have that sound bite. but brrl r basically she said use your common sense, and consider what the witnesses, how they reacted. which of course points to the emotional part of this. the subjective part of this case, which is so important. a six-person jury, most people in this country think the jury would be 12, but this is six. what does that mean? >> i think a lot of americans will be shocked to find out only six people are deciding this murder case. and i was looking at this, the supreme court back in 1970 said it is okay, you can do this, you can have six people. you get fewer minorities on six-person juries. that is the case here, seems to be only one person who could be defined as a minority. they reach verdicts faster, fewer people to argue, but also

fewer coalitions to be formed because of the fewer people and hold out for a jury. fewer hung juries, as a result. and of course, it is cheaper for the state to do it which is why some states have gone with it. but not a lot. i think other states use this in civil cases. >> you say they are likely to get a verdict -- >> i'll tell you one other thing why we have 12 in other cases, a welsh king in the early 1500s said the apostles are going to judge people with 12, why not a jury? talk about how strange beginnings. >> that is pretty owe i-- i'm n going to say what i think, no matter what you think, the biblical history, all women, both sides obviously allowed this. they both said this could go

ahead. how will this impact what is going on during deliberations? i single simply say this, they all took notes. and women will do that, we're very organized. we like to take notes, so far, true to form. >> well, there is also a group dynamic that occurred once the jury starts deliberation. it is amazing how often you can talk to the alternates during a trial, and all the different jurors come back with a different verdict. and that is because you get into a group dynamic, listen to the closing arguments and who did the best for the witnesses. and all this comes in, and then once this goes together and it all goes into a soup, it is amazing how the dynamics come together and they often talk about considerations that the lawyers miss completely. so we do have six women here, everybody has said, i was in the courtroom, these women, these jurors, they were amazing. they were up, alert, took notes.

and i think that they're just wanting to make sure everything lines up. they're going to go back and see if all the versions with their perception, that they have a common understanding and they will debate it from there. >> it's a good thing, both sides the country have taken, sunny, we know these people care deeply about their responsibility. now, sunny, you were in the courtroom. didn't jurors, i asked this question of martin, but you were watching them closely. did they react differently with the attorneys, i know one day you were talking about the forensic pathologist. and you said a lot of jurors seemed very receptive to that. but what were the moments you noticed a juror being very receptive and positive to one side or the other? >> you know, i will tell you today i saw something that i don't think i have seen. i was in the courtroom for all the closing arguments, for the

state's closing arguments, the defense, and then the rebuttal closing arguments. i think these jurors were so captivated by john guy's delivery, and i have been wondering to myself, why would the state pick six women? why would they be okay with that? because conventional wisdom says it may be more of a defense-oriented jury. well, the state argued to the jury today. and i think the most powerful moment during the rebuttal argument, john guy got up, who, by the way, was nicknamed mcdreamy, all the women love him. he said to the women, isn't it every child's nightmare for a m man, a stranger to follow them home on a rainy night in the dark? every single woman stared at him when he said that, erin, they stopped taking notes. they were captivated. and i thought to myself, that is

why these women are on this jury. they are meticulous, they are engaged. but today was a high point for this prosecution. no question, it all really gelled for me. >> all right, well, thanks to all three of you. up next on the zimmerman trial, who made the best statement? casey anthony's attorney will weigh in. and a mysterious person on the defense team. who is she? you see her, the woman there, looks very professional and graceful looking. why is she so controversial? and breaking news in the asiana crash flight situation, we're going live to san francisco where we have breaking news tonight. 130 calories 7 grams of protein the new fiber one caramel nut protein bar.

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in their favor. >> it is a tragedy, truly, but you can't allow sympathy to feed into it. >> did he really need to shoot? did he have to shoot trayvon martin? no, he didn't. >> so who has the momentum as the jury deliberations the george zimmerman trial. out front, former attorney for casey anthony, and joins me tonight. i am so glad to have both of you because you have been there, you have judged that and argued it. you both know. what we've done here is basically take the closing arguments of mark o'mara and john guy. so let's start here to determine whether deadly force was necessary. let's roll it. >> no injury necessary to respond with deadly force. not a cut on a finger. >> the person who testified he

used deadly force is that man. need to kill somebody? who did he kill? a teenager? >> judge, who won that? >> i think guy did, just because of the energy and emotion. >> the prosecution won? >> i did, because of the emot n emotion. >> because of the emotion. >> and the issue, did he have to kill him? and i think that to the mothers, all women, i think that round, he won. >> what do you say? >> sounds like he can't hear me, so we'll check on that audio here as we get to the next one, judge hatchett. >> so i won that one. >> all right, mark o'mara made a point of showing photos. were these really accurate ph o photos of how old he was? was the press misleading when when they showed younger pictures of trayvon martin?

the defense honed in on that. we don't have that, do we have the third one? >> but i do know that. >> we have it now, let's just play it, sorry. >> this is the person -- and this is the person who george zimmerman encountered that night, who attacked george zimmerman, broke his nose or something close to it. isn't that every child's worst nightmare? to be followed on the way home in the dark by a stranger? isn't that every child's worst fear? that was trayvon martin's last emotion. >> what do you say? >> i tell you, that was my favorite card of the rebuttal in this colorsing, because that really is the question, is that

your greatest fear as a parent? that your child would be in fear of walking alone in the dark and being followed by a stranger. >> well, you talked about the difficulty for you, looking at this. you're a judge, the mother of two boys, two black boys who you say were profiled. so this hits the emotion for you. >> it really does, do i understand that there is a burden of proof? do i think they met the burden on second degree? no, i don't. but my heart bleeds for this family, and i really struggle because i know it could have been either of my two sons, if not both. >> when you say -- you don't think that they have met the burden of proof for second degree. >> i don't. >> do you think they have met the burden of proof for manslaughter, or not guilty? >> i think it is possible that a manslaughter conviction could come back. i just think it depends on whether they believe he really was in fear, although self defense can be a defense to both of these charges.

i think that there is going to be a real question of what happened, what motivated him, and did this need to happen. and i think a manslaughter charge could come back. >> well, let's talk about this on reasonable doubt and self defense, because when you talk about manslaughter or not guilty, it is going to come down to that point. and here again are john guy and mark o'mara. >> you look at these facts, you look at all of this evidence. and you have to say i have a reasonable doubt as to whether or not the state convinced me, is it actually self defense? >> there is only two people on this earth who know what really happened. and one of them can't testify. and the other one lied. >> this is the crucial question, reasonable doubt and self defense, cheney, i know we have you with us now. who do you think won that

crucial round? >> well, i don't know. we all can guess, anybody can guess, i think mr. guy did an excellent job. i saw that part of it. i didn't see all of his rebuttal closing, but i saw that and i thought he was very effective. you know, the real question is whether or not somebody needed to die and whether it was justified. all the rest of the stuff has been a waste of time, frankly. >> cheney, judge hatchett was saying she didn't think they met the burden for second degree, but maybe manslaughter, she thought that could be possible. what is your verdict? >> well, you know, i don't know, i don't think they proved the case of second degree murder at all. in fact, i don't think they came close to doing that. manslaughter is a different story. and keep in mind if they find him guilty of manslaughter, and i presume the verdict form would be correct, they would also have

to find whether or not the victim was under 18. if so that means it is aggravated manslaughter. and that changes it from a second degree felony to a first degree felony, thirty years. >> all right, definitely increases the time penalty on that. and on that, i thought the defense attorney was more effective in terms of that, yes, on that particular last point. >> all right, well thanks to both of you. and i want to emphasize to the audience, the juror don't know the second degree manslaughter or how many years come with the particular verdicts, which is not to bias them, which is an important caveat to make. plus, breaking news in the asiana flight situation. we'll go live to san francisco with more on that. and if you do it. and your friends do it.

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ye mengy >> this is cnn. back to our top story tonight, verdict watch with the jury at this moment deciding the fate of george zimmerman. we have heard from a parade of characters over the past two weeks. but one face who has been watching, stood out from the background. the woman here has been quietly observing and assisting george zimmerman's attorneys throughout the trial. her very presence has been controversial. >> reporter: in a case so inflamed by racially charged opinions, it was almost impossible not to notice the young african-american woman on george zimmerman's otherwise white team. she had just one question.

>> i asked him, i said is george a racist, he said no, i wouldn't work for him if he was. >> reporter: and why was that so important to him? >> being african-american, if he was a client, and does representation, i don't know if i would have been able to divorce that. you have to have the proper representation in people who can do that. >> reporter: if you find lloyd's involvement in the defense surprising, you may be surprised to know she is a volunteer. shauna lloyd is a third-year law student. >> reporter: have you had to explain what you are doing to your friends? >> sure, some of my friends debate with me all the time on it. >> reporter: what do they say? >> some of them say, well, he is guilty, others say, well, hear the evidence. >> reporter: they span the range, most of just curious, why is she there?

>> my position, am i only there because i am black? those kind of things, i've seen more curious people than anything. >> reporter: some judge her. there is one that caught my eye, this tweet, black woman seen with george zimmerman defense team is on the wrong side of courtroom and wrong side of history, what would you say to that history? >> i would say they're not really aware of what history is, if they think that this is a completely racial issue i would tell him or her to go back and revisit the case. i think it is misplaced. >> reporter: is this case about race? >> i don't think the case is about race. i think that was the way it was presented initially and i think that may have been erroneous. >> reporter: in the courtroom, she sits for the most part, silently with other interns. she has also provided support, spending long hours and getting to know george zimmerman. is he a racist?

>> no. >> reporter: how could you tell? how do you come to that opinion? >> you can just kind of tell, being african-american, you just kind of know. and i know he is not. >> reporter: and at the end of the trial, lloyd sees only the beginning, the beginning of a career in criminal defense. erin? >> well, she certainly seems fascinating and incredibly well presented. coming up, a big break in the development of the asiana crash. also, edward snowden, the nsa leaker, pulls a flip-flop. a big one, will it work? your n. saying, "deb, find a view for two at a conrad." or "make room for more at an embassy suites, deb." or "deb, lead a victory dance at a hampton." so chin up, love, and never stop vacationing. book during the great getaway for great rates at our ten top hotel brands.

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cnn. welcome back to the second half of "out front." we start with stories where we focus and our reporting from the front lines on this friday, i want to begin with president obama who spoke with russian president vladimir putin regarding edward snowden, who said he is requesting asylum in russia. he was holed up in the airport for 19 days. wait a minute, you thought he was going to venezuela? not so fast, physically getting there without help from an ally of the u.s. is a big problem. snowden's only option may be to charter a plane that doesn't have to refuel. as we reported earlier, it would cost $200,000. it seems snowden needs more help from putin. and this is the first time the president obama administration has made a call on this.

morsi has been booted by the egyptian military, but the united states has refrained from referring to morsi's ouster as a coup. using that word could mean more involvement and a cut-off from aid. we hear it is the least the u.s. could do, he believes this is a coup by any other name. and ariel castro facing 977 more charges in connection with kidnapping three young men, allegedly he held them for ten years, the new indictment adds new charges to the ones he already has. they are laying down a marker, they're doing this, 977 charges, to show how serious this is so castro will not get out on bail. and a saudi arabia princess making bail today, she is accused of holding a domestic

servant against her will until the woman escaped and flagged down a bus. the spokesperson said that this problem is so widespread in saudi arabia that the wealthy people are told not to bring their servants to the united states. that may be a shocking thing for the american people to hear. and it has been six days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? france's rating is now lower than the u.s.'s rating. stocks closing at record highs today. and this is on the crash of asiana flight 214. we can confirm that a third victim died from injuries sustained in the accident. this is in addition to two chinese students who were killed on the day of the crash last saturday, along with more than

180 passengers who were injured. dan, this is just incredibly tragic, because you know you get this far out. you think that this person is going to survive. and i believe, at least from what i understand you're going to talk about somebody who could have been very young? >> reporter: yeah, we're told that she is a minor and that she is a girl. don't have anymore information than that. as you said, sadly we have just confirmed that a third victim has in fact, died as a result of this crash. this was a girl taken to the hospital. immediately, obviously, she had critical injuries. we still have more folks in critical injuries. obviously, everybody was hoping for the best but in this particular case the girl did not survive, erin. >> and dan, in addition to that horrible news, we also got confirmation that one of the chinese students killed on the day of the accident, we knew she had perished, but we confirmed today she was run over by a fire truck. now, what more can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, we now have official confirmation that in fact, one of those girls was run

over by a fire truck. we're also being told that she was covered by foam used to fight the fire. so that may explain why firefighters didn't see her there on the runway. now, we still need the coroner to officially determine if she died as a result of that, or if she died from the crash itself. at this point, we still don't know, erin. we can also tell you we were just out on the runway a couple of hours ago and that runway is now entirely cleared. they have moved the fuselage, it is now in a giant hangar, and as for the investigation itself, erin, we should point out that no mechanical defects have been found on the plane. so it will just lead to more speculation that the pilots were to blame for the crash. >> all right, thank you very much, dan, what he says, the young girl was covered by foam.

we don't know yet if she was killed by the fire truck or already dead, but being covered by the foam, that does open the door that they think it was possible that she was actually killed by the fire truck itself. as dan said, they now have the plane in a hangar and are trying to get a very clear picture of what happened. there are specific ways to do that. >> reporter: several korean aviation accident investigators now looking into the asiana crash got their training here, according to their safety program inside an old warehouse where the twisted wreckage of plane crashes served as a classroom for aviation accident investigators. >> what you see around here is a safety system that has failed. >> reporter: the instructors took me through the training. what strikes you here? >> it looks like there is a big

fire here, and that nobody could have survived this. >> reporter: what do you see on the left wing? >> well, i see twisted metal, it looks like some sort of significant trauma happened to that wing, racrashed into something, hit something, i don't know, a pole. >> we teach this to document the fact, observe the facts, and let the facts lead you by the hand and take you to the next fact. and the discipline not to conclude, not to summarize and not to think too far ahead but to stick with the facts. >> reporter: and so how wrong am i? >> you're right. >> reporter: but minutes later i jumped to a faulty conclusion looking at different wreckage. it almost looks like a crumbled beer can. and what we see here is the power of a thunderstorm. >> reporter: so lightning hit the aircraft? >> there is no evidence of lightning strike. this is simply evidence of an aircraft being torn apart by the severe turbulence that is

contained in a thunderstorm. >> reporter: well, investigators in san francisco still are gathering information. but there are clues. >> we're pretty sure we're going to look at how the air speed decayed to the point where they didn't warn the captain. in this day and age, the weak link will always be the human factor. >> reporter: one question these instructors ask, is how pilots become too reliant on the technology. >> if we can teach one thing it is never one thing. it is always a chain of inter-related causes. the reason it is safe is this. is that the lessons that we have learned through accident investigation and through investigating the procedures, they're the ones that have changed this and made it such a safe form of transportation.

>> now, casey, as you said, ntsb officials have essentially ruled out equipment error at this point, but they still think they can learn something from the wreck, right? what are they hoping to find? >> well, they can learn something from just about every wreck. and what they're looking for, what is the communication like between the pilots and as cnn reported earlier in the week, were there cultural issues where some didn't want to raise the issues that should have been raised. as we all know, many of these aircraft functions are highly automated now. there are some who believe that pilots rely too much on that automation. and some think they may be neglecting their responsibility which is to fly the aircraft. there will be looking into as to whether or not they did that,

erin. >> and if you always rely on the automation, the one time is have you done it yourself enough and used it enough. and there are more problems for boeing, this is significant, the story we followed for a long time. the dreamliner, this cause fire while parked at london's heathrow airport, it caught fire, earlier this year the entire fleet was grounded because of the negotiation with the plane's batteries. and another plane flying out of britain was forced to turn back today. that plane's operator said it was forced to turn back because of operational issues. there were serious questions on the dreamliner and if it is in serious jeopardy. coming up, the attorney for george zimmerman telling us what

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going on this weekend. i know you will be focusing, anderson, on the verdict watch. >> no, not today -- obviously, we'll have much more on the zimmerman trial, it took more than three hours before the jury decided to call a night. we'll look at what is inside the jury's mindset, they asked for a look at the evidence.

also, more on mark o'mara and martin savidge, and more reaction from the legal team from the martin family, daryl parks. all starting a

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