propelled by human arms and human legs. thanks for watching. have a wonderful weekend. have a wonderful weekend. "ac 3 60" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com are they close or far apart? six women now that. second-degree murder, manslaughter or not guilty. they decided to sleep on it. >> the jury would like to adjourn at 6:00 p.m. the jury would like to begin tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. if possible. anybody have objections in. >> no your honor. >> no, your honor. >> they got the case about 2:00 eastern time, two hours and got evidence in the case and the judge says it's up to them to decide what to believe. tonight we'll look at what they will weigh, who they are and what goes on during deliberations. we'll look at the allegation of the defense counsel mark o'mara

made to martin savidge. he says this case never would have made it to court had it not been for a publicity campaign, a smeared campaign by the martin legal time. first martin savidge's report as each side made the final pitch today to the jury. >> reporter: defense attorney mark o'mara began the closing argument bereminding jurors the prosecution had to prove it's case against george zimmerman. and pointed out the prosecutor's own words lacked conviction. >> how many could have beens have you heard from the state in this case? how many what ifs? >> reporter: then mark o'mara said what he was not obligateed to do, prove his client innocent. what follow ed is a three-hour summation with a matter of fact style. >> if i were to talk in today, let's say and i just as an

example, walked in like this, justed walk the in the courtroom as a lawyer. you would have an impression. what in god's name is he doing with sunglasses on, and who does he think he is? stand up for a second. you may have an impression of him because he's sitting at the defense table and that maybe as we talked about, he's not just a citizen but maybe a defendant. that means something he has to defend. >> reporter: o'mara asked the jury not to judge by first impression but use common sense. >> if it hasn't been proven as the instruction tells you, it's just not there. you can't connect the dots for the state attorney's office. >> reporter: it may have taken three hours for o'mara to deliver the argument but part of the three hours were just pure silence. >> we'll sit tight and we're not going to talk.

four minutes of silence ticking by to show the jury the length of time he said martin had to escape after he spotted george zimmerman watching him. >> that's how long trayvon martin had to run, about four minutes. >> reporter: instead of running, o'mara said martin decided to confront zimmerman that night and used a 3 d animation showing him purging zimmerman to the nose. a repeated out take. >> seriously? really? really? come on. really? i real most wish the verdict had guilty, not guilty and completely innocent because i would ask you to check for that one. >> reporter: the prosecution deliver add strongly-worded rebuttal saying trayvon martin's blood is on george zimmerman's hands. >> that child had every right to

be afraid of a strange man following him, first in his car and then on foot and did that child not have the right to defend himself from that strange man? >> reporter: that child according to the prosecution, but a dangerous teenager according to the defense. >> but that's cement. that is the sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home, and the suggestion by the state that that's not a weapon, that that can't hurt somebody, that that can't cause great bodily injury is disgusting. >> reporter: martin savidge, cnn sanford, florida. >> well let's bring in the panel legal analyst and former federal

prosecutor sunny host tin and jeffrey toobin. how do you think mark o'mara did today? >> i think he did well and exactly what i expected, primarily a low-key methodical and talking as opposed to theater or drama to it but pretty much what i expected. i thought he did a nice use of the chart with the degrees showing what is not reasonable doubt, and what is reasonable doubt conversely. so i thought all and all it was effective and he hit the points he needed to hit. >> sunny, you were in the courtroom. how do you think he did? >> i think he did fine. i don't think it was great. i don't think he knocked it out of the park but i thought he was

efficient. i thought he was effective. i thought it was good. some theater fell flat like the cartoon that we've been talking about. i expected more out of it. i donl't think it was use that well. the slab of concrete. the jurors didn't stand up to look at it the way they looked at other things, but i did like his style in terms of the -- his manner. he did seem to be folks, approachable, an interesting speaking style and i think that's a good style for him, because i think that's who mark o'mara is. he's a nose person, folksy person and that's what you need to do as a trial lawyer. >> jeff? >> it surprised me in two ways. one is he didn't talk much about the manslaughter charge. i thought he would be really focused on trying to get the jury, don't compromise. he's devoted almost all his time

to the murder and the other thing that surprised me is the prosecution spent so much time talking about zimmerman's statements and his supposed lies. o'mara almost blew it off and said, yes, he didn't say things, you know, the same way every time, but, you know, you can't call those lies. that was just an interesting allocation of his argument. >> danny? >> i actually thought that was effective. he left the inconsistencies alone. i think he's having faith you can go one of two ways, inconsistencies are inconsistencies or liar, liar panel ons fire. the transcripts, tapes, all those come down to whether you think he's lying or can't tell the same story many times. the way he addressed it is he said look, the lead investigator, he believed it was credible because of his experience, and the state didn't call him. look at all the things the state didn't call. i had to call tracy martin.

i had to call the lead investigator. that is a really, really damming indictment against the prosecution. >> when john guy did the close he referred to trayvon martin as a child but the defense painted him as a dangerous teenager. sunny, how do you think the jurors reacted to that? >> while mark o'mara did good, he did a good job on his closing, john guy hit it out of the park. he did great. if people were calling him mcdreamy before mark geragos, they are calling him perfect. the jury was river vetted. they did not take their eyes off of this man and what was so important about it, anderson, is that now i understand why the state was okay with having those six women on the jury, because he specifically just sort of homed in on what every mother's nay mire is, her child walking alone in the dark in the rain

being followed by a stranger and being afraid. that resignated with every single mother in the room, and it was so effective. it was excellent. >> i got to go to mark geragos because he's grinning like a cat. mark? >> yeah, i predicted it last night. it's just shocking, isn't it, that sunny thought that he was mcbrilliant. didn't you tweet today sunny he had them at hello? wasn't that yours? >> he did, he did, mark. >> you need to damp it down, sunny. you're seeing this, you got a school girl crush on this guy. >> you didn't see an excellent closing -- >> no, i did not. i thought it was trite. >> wow. >> and frankly -- >> wow. >> and frankly, sunny, i guess the only way we will ever know, the only way we'll ever know and i'll stand corrected and worship at your psychic feet of

wonder -- >> you should do that now. >> i'll wait and see what the jury -- >> did you guys think it was effective? >> yeah, this case inverted so many normal paradigms. it's the defense attorneys asking the question why did this happen or saying this doesn't make sense. and it's not the defense attorney, it's not mark o'mara, the defense counsel who is building this foundation brick by brake aick. it's usually the other way around, but that's what happen in this case. mark o'mara methodically went through each and every witness and built a wall. in the meantime, both prosecution attorneys on the front end and on the back end just pulled away at those bricks and said it doesn't make sense. use your commonsense, and mark o'mara is right. if you have to use common sense, as he said, fill gaps, the prosecution has not met the burden. >> mark o'mara pointed out that the prosecution hasn't explained what actually happened. >> exactly. i thought the most effective part of his summation, of om'maa

o'mara's is he said the prosecution said it could have and what if and that's not how you prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. the other thing i thought was interesting about the rebuttal by the prosecutor is again, talking about the alleged false statements and, you know, i'm sure sunny can correct me but i just don't know if those false statements are so dramatic or so false. >> what do you make -- >> oh -- >> sunny -- >> go ahead, sunny. >> they are the most -- >> i thought that they certainly showed that they weren't just silly little mistakes. i mean, he -- there was a power point there and he pointed out by my account at least 13 inconsistencies that were significant, significant inconsistencies. >> but the police didn't think so, right? >> yeah, that seems to be a significant problem that the lead investigator -- >> the police who had the

investigation torn from them -- >> that's a hard thing to get around, the lead investigator. >> the lead investigator -- >> the lead investigator -- >> let mark finish, mark, go ahead. >> we know that. we know that. you've got to assume that the sequestered jury knows that and why do you think that the sequestered jury is going to assume some of the things that we know or we've seen or watched anderson's interview with the police chief who got thrown under the bus or claims he got thrown under the bus. the amazing thing about this echoing danny, as i watched that today, i wonder how many times your mcbrilliant argued that some 17-year-old black youth was the troublemaker and blah blah blah. it really is an inversion -- >> you made the point yesterday -- >> it really gnaws at those of us who do criminal defense for a living when you watch these prosecutors trying to embrace

17-year-old boys now, who they normally think nothing of sending them to the prison or the death chamber. >> mark made that point yesterday and it's an interesting point. the prosecution is calling him a boy, playing down his age, whereas if the roles were reversed, they would be trying him as an adult in some other case. >> yes, they would have. he was killed here. he is the victim and he was unarmed. so, you know, i think it's not -- it's not surprising that they -- that they have treated him this way. i still don't understand -- i mean, sunny, maybe you can help me. what did he lie about? what did -- >> sure -- >> let -- >> we have to take a quick break. >> do we have enough time? >> we'll take a quick break and talk more about that when we come back. a lot more to talk about and dig deep into six individuals who matter now, the women on the jury. we'll look at who they are, how they are reacting to the case and how their backgrounds may

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the six zimmerman trials have a lot to think about, think about but apparently not talk about. talking is a no-no outside the jury room and not the only one. judge nelson today reading them a long list. >> do not discuss the case among yourself or anybody else overnight. do not read or listen radio, television or newspaper reports about the case. do not use any type of an electronic device to get on the internet to do any independent research about the place,

people, places, things or terminology and do not read or create e-mails, tweets, social networking pages about the case. >> while they spend the night at a local hotel, the notes are locked up. the six women are carrying planety around in their heads. >> reporter: for weeks the jury of six women has been a captive audience as prosecutors and defense lawyers tried to sway them from the moment it started, pure drama. prosecutor john guy's opening statement. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> [ bleep ] punks. these [ bleep ], they always get away. those were the words in that grown man's mouth as he followed in the dark a 17-year-old boy who he didn't know. >> reporter: cnn legal analyst sunny hostin has been in court every day. >> the inference is yeah, these are shocking, ugly hateful words

and that wasn't lost upon the jury. i looked at them very, very closely, and some of them did seem shocked and offended almost by the words. >> i want to follow up -- >> reporter: at other times the jury seemed to be captivated by the defense, especially when defense attorneys pulled out a dummy in court to help illustrate the confrontation. >> i was very impressed when they stood up to get a bird's eye view of when the actors, the lawyers were atop those dummies and trying to replicate or reproduce what was going on between trayvon martin and george zimmerman. >> doing this -- >> i think it was telling. it showed how into this they were. they were watching a tennis match. >> reporter: jurors were especially engaged when the mothers of both trayvon martin and george zimmerman testified. five out of six jurors are married and almost all of them have children. prosecutor john guy keyed into that here.

>> was that child not in fear when he was running from that defendant? isn't that every child's worst nightmare to be followed on the way home in the dark by a stranger? isn't that every child's worst fear? that was trayvon martin's last emotion. >> i looked directly at the jury when he said those words and their eyes didn't leave his face, and so i think that it couldn't have been more powerful for the makeup of that jury. >> reporter: juror e 6 a blonde with two children put down her pen during that very moment and stared intently at the prosecutor. her children are 11 and 13.

she's a proud member of her church, her husband is an engine near. other specifics on the women decide zimmerman's fate, b 29 is from chicago and married for ten years and the only minority on the jury, either black or hispanic. she has eight children, only one older than 18. juror b 76 has a son who is an attorney. she's unemployed now but used to run a construction company with her husband. she loves animals. juror b 37 is the daughter of an air force captain, one of her children is a pet groomer, another a student at the university of central florida. juror b 51 is the only juror who isn't married. she's a retired real estate agent and a transplant from atlanta. and juror e 40 is married to a chemical engine near with one son. in her spare time she watches football, reads and likes to travel. this jury took lots of notes,

copious notes while george zimmerman's reenactment at the scene was being replayed in court and also when the medical examiner and dna expert testified. it seemed like they wanted to be sure they understood what was being said. they didn't want to miss a thing. ashley is an expert on jury behavior. she predicts this all women jury will exhaust every alternative and look at every piece of evidence. >> women's social circles are based in pairs, telling that best friend your secrets and having no hierarchy. everyone has agreement and avoids conflict, and they really continue to apply that even in that group setting. >> reporter: she says don't expect any yelling in this jury room, but don't expect a quick verdict, either. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> as you saw in randi's report, sunny hosten spent extenve time in the courtroom. she's back with our panel. you've been observing jurors

every single day and they asked for a list of the evidence. what do you think is going on -- i mean, how do you see their deliberations going? how methodical? >> based on the behavior and first question, i think two minutes into the deliberations, a list, an inventory list of the evidence, this is going to be a jury that will methodically look through all of the evidence. i don't know that i've seen a jury take notes the way this jury took no particular times and it's clear to me they have gelled. they have been sequestered together. remember, there was no jury, no courtroom on july 4th. they were able to go out together. they eat together. i recently seen some of them offer mints to each other, one of them put a shawl on the shoulders of another. this is a group of women getting together and getting along quite well and so in that kind of situation, i think you do have

that deliberation. >> in terms of sequester, what does that mean? they stay in a hotel room. there is ten people, six jurors, four alternates. can they stay in contact with family, friends? they can't watch reports like this on the news but they can watch regular tv? >> yeah, they normally what happened in the old days with newspapers they would cut out articles and give them the newspaper and they sometimes will tape record or give them movies and things like that. i think today the reason that they wanted to be recessed at 6:00 is so they can go back to the hotel and have a nice -- break open a nice bottles of wine after -- >> [ laughter ] >> watching this trial and doing everything else. it would not surprise me if they get into a couple cups tonight or glasses tonight. i think the fact that they were sequestered is a reason you don't see a friday verdict. a lot of times in my experience

in doing hundreds of these cases, if you have your closing arguments on friday and finish in the morning, you can expect a verdict by 3:30 or 4:00 in the afternoon. in this case, they are aware the country is looking at this case. even if they had a verdict and sus susan's trial in florida, they had a verdict on friday but didn't want to be seen as an oj jury so they waited to deliver it. they are always aware of this. >> this is a real thing mark is talking about. the legacy of the o.j. simpson jury, which as many people remember came back with a not guilty after just one day of deliberation. a lot of people criticized them given the complexity and length of the case. >> four hours or something. >> how could you possibly decide a case that quickly? ever since then i think i probably covered most if not all high-profile cases since then, certainly all with sequestered

juries. none of them have come back that quickly, even when there was a i lot of agreement on the jury. here, i think given the first note, they will be much more ma tick laos. i expect tomorrow we'll probably hear some of the exhibits that they want to see. they will check off what they want to see -- >> you don't think there will be a verdict tomorrow? >> i would be surprised. >> for this reason or so much stuff to go through? >> if you get a list of all the evidence, that means you want to see some of the evidence. that becomes time consuming. once you start getting into read backs of testimony, that's really time consuming because the lawyers have to agree what is responsive to the note. i just don't see a verdict tomorrow, sunday, monday, we'll see. the notes will give us a hint of how they are doing. >> during the closing arguments, mark o'mara asked the jury to consider only the facts when deciding the case. i want to play that. >> what i don't think you should do is fill in any gaps at all. connect any dots for him,

either, any fact. if the decision was made by the state not to presented a dilted evidence to you, do not presume, do not assume and do not give anybody the benefit of any doubt except for george zimmerman. >> for the defense it's essential to make that point. >> i love it and it's important. this case is inverted. the prosecution is asking the jury to fill in gaps. well literally they didn't say that but asking them to use common sense and make assumptions and fill in where they really, i believe, failed to really create a narrative, a concrete narrative and i understand the main person who would contribute to that is no longer with us. however, unfortunately, for the prosecution that doesn't lesson their burden and mark o'mara did a good job very dispassionately walking through where the state came up short and admonishing the jurors to not fill in those gaps and not jump in, fill in any gaps that they forgot to

fill in. >> yeah, sunny and danny, we'll see you at the 10:00 eastern special hour look at the trial. jeffrey and mark, we'll check back with you later. mark ocho marp 'mara was ch because of a smear campaign, a publicity campaign to paint his client as a racist and murderer and we'll hear from an attorney from the martin family about those charges and look at high-profile cases where the defendants were acquitted but their lives are still changed forever. my asthma's under control. i get out a lot... except when it's too cold. like the last three weekends. asthma doesn't affect my job... you missed the meeting again last week! it doesn't affect my family. your coughing woke me up again. i wish you'd take me to the park. i don't use my rescue inhaler a lot...

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argument o'mara said he waishes they could find him completely innocent. he says his client was rail roaded and puts it on benjamin crump. he made his comments during a sit-down interview with martin savidge. >> do you think george zimmerman would have even been charged had ben crump not been pulled into this? >> no. ben crump or someone like him because ben crump not got involved in the case maybe for good reasons to begin with. if he believed there was something being swept under the rug, get on to it. i'm okay with that -- >> but you didn't quite see it that way. you made it sound like it was ben crump, george zimmerman would be free and we wouldn't be in a trial. >> i think it was a madeup story for purposes that had nothing to do with george zimmerman and they victimized him and complain

about trayvon martin being victimized and george zimmerman was victimized to call him a racist and a murderer when he wasn't. >> so angela corey and the governor and all of those that had a hand in bringing about this prosecution, they were all manipulated by ben crump? >> i don't know that it was ben crump doing all that manipulation, but i'm surprised that the prosecution team decided not to take this case to a grand jury when one was sitting and panelled and ready to take on the case, the state of florida versus george zimmerman and determine whether or not there was enough evidence and information to charge him with any crime, rather than do that, which was the default position that could have happened, that he decided have a press conference, pray with the victim's family and announce second-degree murder charges. >> obviously, a strong position on mark o'mara's part. i spoke to daryl parks, ben crump's law partner and also an attorney for trayvon martin's parents. i want to start off with this

interview mark o'mara gave and he accuses your co-counsel ben crump of manipulating facts, making up stories, victimizing george zimmerman in a smear campaign, publicity campaign and said without his actions, zimmerman would have never been charged. how do you respond? >> let's take our time and go through it because i think it's very important. i remember when ben first came back to the firm. this guy killed trayvon martin and the sanford police department were getting ready to close the investigation, and they indicated that they were not going to arrest this guy, and we believed whole heartily that if you killed an unarmed teenager, you had a minimum of at least being arrested. mr. o'mara may have philosophical problems with that but we're rights lawyers. when someone kills someone who is unarmed, that person should go into the justice system and go into that process. that's not a decision that

should be made by one or two people. it's a decision that should be made by the process, and that's what we argued for, and so we have not done anything to talk about anyone but to make sure that this process works. >> o'mara also says that the smear campaign, the publicity campaign labeled george zimmerman a racist, labeled him a murderer but racist and used that word. do you think that is true at all? do you believe at the time that -- >> no, not at all. >> you or your client or you and ben crump were trying to introduce race as an element in this? >> let me say, we don't know george zimmerman and the fact i heard ben say today when asked that same question, we don't -- we could never call that man a racist. now we believe this case in it's totality has a racial under tone to it. so that's a huge difference, anderson. >> i want to play something that you said back in march of last year for our viewers. >> whether or not trayvon was a

perfect student is irrelevant to whether zimmerman's conduct that night was justified. trayvon was a kid. he was another unarmed black boy whose life was lost because of unfounded stereo types suspicions and fears. >> during the trial, the idea of racial profiling was. wasn't talked about. do you think that -- that there is an under pinning of race throughout this that wasn't brought into the trial? >> no, what he was charged with, anderson is very important, criminal profiling, and i think we heard it time and time again from the beginning of this case where george zimmerman talked about all these people who had committed crimes and to talk about the crime and the black youth involved in this case. the problem in this case, though, is that trayvon was not one of those people. >> what happens next?

i mean, if -- if george zimmerman is not found guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter, do you pursue a civil case against george zimmerman, regard less of whether he is found guilty or not, do you pursue a civil case against him? >> we have the right to do so because he killed trayvon martin and that's a negligent stander, right? we have every right to do that, if we choose. we haven't made that decision yet. at some point my clients will make that decision but we won't make in the public light. >> how are you feeling and your clients feeling about the case, about the wait? >> well, we're feeling very strong. we -- my clients had an opportunity to listen to the closing that the state did today. the state's closing was very powerful. they did an excellent job of bringing all the evidence together and putting it before the jury and making that jury

have a very, very deep thought about the whole concept of judging george zimmerman for a situation that he created, causing the death of trayvon, and as much as they tried to portray trayvon in a negative light, he was scared and did nothing to cause his own death. >> daryl parks, appreciate your time. thanks. >> thank you, sir. coming up, george zimmerman's defense attorney said he'll have to go into hiding and his life will never be the same. we'll have to talk about other other high-profile acquittals. and freshens breath. tums freshers. ♪ tum...tum...tum...tum... tums! ♪ fast heartburn relief and minty fresh breath. [ slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium-rich tums starts working so fast you'll forget you had heartburn. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums

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george zimmerman's defense attorney mark o'mara said if he's acquitted he can't have a normal life but probably have to live in hiding. in high-profile cases and not guilty verdict doesn't mean smooth sailing ahead. the most famous example is o.j. simpson. he was acquitted after jurors deliberated for four hours and the acquittal wasn't the end of the trouble. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: moments so well-known you likely remember where you were when you heard them. >> we the jury in the aboved entitled action find the defendant o.j. simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. >> o.j. simpson cleared of charges of murdering his ex-wife nicole brown simpson and her friend ronald gold man and two years ago this month in the same state as the zimmerman trial. >> we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all. >> casey anthony, a jury saying she was not guilty of murdering

her daughter kaley. >> we find the defendant theodore not guilty of the crime of assault. >> four los angeles police officers caught on videotape with use of a excessive force and a deadly weapon on rodney king and pop icon michael jackson accused and cleared of child molestation. >> we the jury in the aboved entitled case find the jury not guilty of allude act upon a minor child. >> these are some of the most well-known acquittals in american ju dish l history. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> what happened? did they reenter society and reclaim the lives they had? in the case of o.j. simpson, the case is now. 16 months after his criminal acquittal he was found guilty in a civil court to pay $33.5 million to the families of nicole simpson and ronald gold man and in 2008 he was convicted

on 12 counts with kidnapping and armed robbery. he's 66 and serving prison term. he's scheduled for parole, but only for the kidnapping. he won't get out of jail any time soon. >> she began kaley and began to cry and cry and cry. >> casey an ththony is a differ story. she was acquitted but not famous before the trail, she became infamous during it. her life of partying was dissected in court and while there is no evidence she's living this type of life any more, she is living as a free women in an undisclosed location and staying quiet. rioting broke out in l.a. following the acquittal of the king case. king made a public statement after the disturbances broke out that was praised by people around the country. >> can we all get along? >> reporter: he won a large

settlement but for many years had brushes with the law. he died in june of 2012. his fiancee finding him at the bottom of a swimming pool after he accidently drowned. another man with a tragic end, michael jackson's antics were unusual as he went through legal proceedings. he was accused of seven counts of molestation involving a 13-year-old boy. after found not guilty in june of 2009, four years to the month of his acquittal, the world was stunned when the king of pop was found dead of a drug overdose. all these people acquitted in famous trials, all of them also with serious challenges in life after they walked free. gary tuchman, cnn atlanta. joining me now is jeffrey toobin and mark geragos who represented michael jackson in the early stages and casey anthony's defense attorney will join us shortly. it is interesting to look back and see the cases and how people

ended up. people do have to go into hiding. casey anthony, for one, because people get invested in these trials. >> right, and o.j. simpson is, i think the classic -- is perhaps the most extreme example because look, i wrote a whole book saying i thought he killed his ex-wife and ron gold man, but then he gets prosecuted in nevada on what i thought was a very weak case, got an extremely excessive -- >> take back his memorabilia. >> take back memorabilia but the guy who got the gun had no prison time. o.j. simpson gets this enormous sentence. so it's -- it's karma, you know, caught up with him but it was really, i thought, a very questionable case. >> mark, as i said, you initially represented michael jackson in the early stages of the child molestation case. when you're in a high-profile case like that, how do you counsel somebody after it's done about trying to resume life? are you -- obviously not the

michael jackson case, but other cases are you involved in sort of the after care or does your role finish when the case is done? >> i will tell you, the one that she was kind of -- she changed my career projectorry was mcdou gle. she was penny less -- >> you should say who susan mcdou gle is. >> she was caught up in the white water investigation, jeff did a nice book about white water a series of books and was prosecuted by the office of independent counsel and literally just strafed. her ex-husband jim who she went on trial with the first time when i didn't represent her ended up cooperating and dying in prison, so there was her ex-husband dead and she ended up

after two trials, which is more than most federal prosecutors ever try, she ended up in arkansas kind of penny less. so there was a lot of counseling to be done and i'm happy to report 14 or 15 years later she's doing well living in arkansas and become a chaplain at a hospital or kind of a hospice care place. it is a devastating thing. i don't think -- i think if you had susan on, she would tell you listening to the prosecutor in a closing argument kind of just characterized or mischaracterized you and demonized you as something she said you never get over. it someone that takes you and makes a charter of you and seres you in your soul. i remember radon von, jeff? >> yeah, the secretary of labor under regan. >> regan came onto the steps after he was acquitted and said where do i go to get my reputation back? it's -- the old expression you

can beat the wrap but you can't beat the ride. >> jose bias, i know you were escorted away from the courthouse by a swat team. people were extremely invested in that case, overwhelmingly felt she was guilty. in something like that, do you stay in touch with the client? do you prepare a client for what happens after the case is over? how does that work? >> first of all, it was a very scary thing to be escorted out by a swat team. i didn't want to stand too close thinking maybe somebody was a bad shot. you know, it was really a crazy situation. i don't stay, you know, she's just like any former client. you don't really stay too much in touch with them. they have to go live their lives and we have to go fight on for the next case. >> in terms of is there like preparation, though? do you -- i mean, i know you're focused on winning the case but

once it's done and i know you said you don't stay in touch. do you put them in touch with somebody who has advice for how they actually live their life? someone like george zimmerman, if mark o'mara is correct and he has to live in hiding or never feel completely safe, how do you prepare for that? >> well, you know, you sit down and talk to them and explain to them, look, listen, this is what is going on why you've been locked up and this is -- this is the reality of your future, and that is that you really need to keep a low profile. there are people out there, will not respect the rule of law and will attempt to harm you, and it's a shame that we live in a country where we really have -- we really believe in our constitution. we have men and women dying for it but when applieapplies, some they don't agree and want to take law into their hands. >> do you find people take it out on you saying how can you have the guy on this show, he represented casey anthony.

my position is everybody deserves a defense. you're an attorney. this is what you do. do you find that one on one, people take it out on you? >> you know, it's amazing when i run into people in the street, i find much more support than i do online. so you know, when you have -- when you have the internet, i think that adds a whole new element to things. but the fact of the matter is the defense lawyer is not the client. they are there, but they are their advocate. so a lot of times they see them arguing and see how hard you're fighting for your client and i believe in that. i think someone needs to stand in front of a defendant who can't speak and say listen, if you want to convict this person, you have to get through me and you have to work hard and have the evidence to prove it. >> that's our system. that's what the constitution is, that's what makes the system, you know, to the extent that it works at all -- >> you know -- >> it's what prevents -- >> it's amazing --

>> sorpry. >> you know what is amazing about who jose says is you tend to be identified with whoever your client is at the time. i mean, when i had scott peterson 500,000 people prayed for me to get chancer and at the same time i had michael michael 500,000 people were cheering me on. it depends on the client and whether they are famous or infamous. >> thanks, guys, very much. a grand jump indicts aerial castro for holding three women captive in that home of his for a decade. he's charged with many, many more than the 329 counts he was initially charged with. details ahead. [ male announcer ] this is bob,

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com ran out of time for the ridiculous. self-defense murder, the george zimmerman trial at 10:00. piers morgan starts right now. this is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. right now the six women deciding the fate of george zimmerman are back in the hotel and we can only imagine what is going through their minds. that he deliberated for three hours and 33 minutes. the jury will return at 9:00 a.m. to begin deliberating again for the trial that is gripping america. will they find george zimmerman guilty or not guilty of murdering trayvon martin and could they return for a manslaughter conviction or acquit him of all charges? they asked for 200 exhibits and have testimony to pour over. a fierily closing argument from