good evening. tonight, are they far apart or close to a verdict? only six women know the answer to that after deliberating three hours and 33 minutes with three choices in front of them, second degree murder, manslaughter or not guilty. those six members of the zimmerman jury have decided to sleep on it. >> the jury would like to adjourn tonight at 6:00 p.m. and begin tomorrow at 9:00 a.m., if possible. anybody have any objections? >> no, your honor. >> no. thank you, your honor. >> the jurors got the case about 2:30 eastern time. two hours in, they asked for and got a list of the evidence. the judge saying it's up to them to decide which of it to believe. tonight, we'll look at what they are weighing, who they are and

what goes on during the deliberations. we'll get reaction from the martin family attorneys. mark o'hara says this case would have never made it to the court had it not been for a smear campaign. but first, martin savidge's report. >> reporter: defense attorney mark o'hara began his closing argument by reminding jurors the prosecution had to prove its case against george zimmerman. and pointed out the prosecutor's own words lacked conviction. >> how many could have beens have you heard from the state in this case? how many what ifs? >> reporter: then mark o'hara said he would do what he was not obligated to do, prove his client innocent. what followed was a three-hour summation using a soft spoken matter of fact style, but not without some courtroom theatrics of his own. >> if i walked in today, just as

an example, walked in, like this. walked into the courtroom as a lawyer, you would have an impression. what in god's name is he doing with sunglasses. you might have an impression of george zimmerman. stand up for a second. you might have an impression of him because he's sitting at the defense table and maybe he is a defendant or he has something to say. >> reporter: o'mara asked the jury not to judge zimmerman by their first impression but to use common sense. >> if it has. been proven as the instruction tells you, it's just not there. you can't connect the dots for the state attorney's office. >> reporter: it may have taken three hours to deliver the argument to the jury, but part of those three hours was just pure silence.

>> we're going to sit and not talk. >> reporter: four minutes of silence ticking by to show the jury the length of time marten had to escape after he spotted george zimmerman watching him. >> that's how trayvon martin had to run. about four minutes. >> reporter: instead of running, o'mara said martin decided to confront zimmerman and used a 3-d animation that shows martin punching zimmerman in the nose. >> there's the shot to the nose, we contend. >> reporter: a repeated tactic by o'mara in the courtroom, outright disbelief of the prosecution's case. >> seriously? really? really? come on. really? i almost wish that the verdict had guilty, not guilty, and completely innocent. because i would ask you to check that one. >> reporter: the prosecution delivered a strongly recorded rebuttal saying trayvon martin's blood is on george zimmerman's

hands. >> that child had every right to be afraid of a strange man following him. first in his car, and then on foot. and did that child not have the right to defend himself from that strange man? >> reporter: that child, according to the prosecution, but a dangerous teenager according to the defense. >> that's cement. that is a sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home and the suggestion by the state that that's not a weapon, that that can't hurt somebody, that that can't cause great bodily injury is disgusting. >> reporter: martin savidge, cnn, sanford, florida.

>> let's bring in our panel, legal analyst sunny hostin and jeffrey toobin. also defense attorneys danny cevallos and mark geragos. mark, i'll start with you. how do you think mark o'hara did today? >> i think he did well. i think he did exactly what i expected, primarily a low-key, methodical, going through the evidence kind of a folksy style talking as opposed to theatrics. i think there was some drama to it, but it was pretty much what i expected. i thought he did a nice use of the chart with the degrees showing what is not reasonable doubt. and what is reasonable doubt. so i thought all in all, it was effective and he hit all the points. >> sunny, how do you think he did? >> i think he did final. i don't think it was great.

i don't think it was -- i don't think he knocked it out of the park, but i thought he was efficient. i thought he was effective. i thought it was good. some of the theatrics fell a bit flat, like the cartoon that we've all been talking about. i expected more out of it. i don't think it was used that well, the slab of concrete that he brought in, the jurors didn't stand up to look at it in the well the way they had looked at other things. but i did like his style in terms of the -- his manner. he did seem to be folksy. he was very approachable. he had an interesting speaking style. and i think that's a good style for him, because i think that is who mark o'hara is. he's a nice person. he's a folksy type personal. he's an honest person in his delivery. i think he stayed true to who he is, and that's what you need to do. >> jeff, effective? >> i thought it was a good job. it surprised me in two ways. one, he didn't talk much about the manslaughter charge. i thought he would be focused on

getting the jury don't compromise. and the other thing that surprised me is the prosecution spent so much time talking about zimmerman's statements and his supposed lies. o'mara almost blew it off. he said yes, he didn't say things the same way every time, but you can't call those lies. that was just an interesting allocation of his argument. >> danny? >> i thought it was effective. he left all the inconsistencies alone. i think he's having faith in this jury that they'll realize you can go one of two ways, inconsistencies are just that or they're liar liar pants on fire. that's what all those tapes and transcripts, all they come down to whether you think he's lying or not. he said, look, the lead investigator, he believed it was credible because of his experience. and the state didn't call him. look at all the things didn't

call. i had to call tracy marten. i had to call the lead investigator. that is a really damning indictment against the prosecution. >> when john guy did the prosecution's rebuttal, he repeatedly referred to trayvon martin as a child. the defense referred to him as a dangerous teenager. how do you think the jurors reacted to that? >> while mark o'hara did good, he did a good job on his closing, john guy hit it out of the park. he did great. if people were calling him mcdreamy before, mark geragos, they're calling him mcbrilliant. it was one of the best closing rebuttal arguments i have seen. the jury did not take their eyes off of this man. what was so important about it, anderson, is that now i understand why the state was okay with having those six women on the jury, because he specifically sort of honed in on what every mother's nightmare is. a child walking alone in the

dark, in the rain, being followed by a stranger and being afraid. that resonated with every single mother in the room and it was so effective. it was excellent. >> i got to go to mark geragos, because he's grinning like a cheshire cat. >> i predicted it last night, it's shocking that sunny thought that he was mcbrilliant and he was mcdreamy. didn't you tweet today, sunny, that he had them at hello? wasn't that yours? >> he did, he did, mark. >> you need to damp it out. you've got a schoolgirl crush on this guy. >> you didn't see an excellent closing? >> no, i did not. i thought it was trite, and frankly, sunny, i guess the only way we will ever know, and i will stand corrected and worship at your psychic, you know, feets

of wonder -->> you should do th. >> i think i'll wait for the verdict. >> did you think he was effective? >> this case has inverted so many of the normal paradigms. normally it's the defense attorneys asking the question why did this happen? this doesn't make sense. it's not mark o'hara, the defense counsel, who is building this foundation brick by brick, and it's not usually the prosecutors chipping away and pulling away bricks, it's usually the other way around. but that's what happened in this case. mark o'hara methodically went through each and every witness and built a wall. in the meantime, both prosecution attorneys on the front end and back end just pulled away at those bricks and said it doesn't make sense, use your common sense. and mark o'hara is right, if you have to use your common sense and fill gaps, then the prosecution has not met its burden. >> mark o'hara basically pointed out that the prosecution hasn't explained what actually happened.

>> exactly. i thought the most effective part of his summation, of o'mara's, is when he started -- when he talked about saying the prosecution says it could have and what if and that's not how you prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. now, the other thing that i thought was interesting about the rebuttal summation by the prosecutor, is, again, he spent so much time talking about the alleged false statements. you know, i'm sure sunny can correct me, but i just don't know if those false statements are so dramatic. >> mark, what -- >> they're the most -- >> go ahead, sunny. >> i thought they certainly showed that they weren't just silly little mistakes. there was a power point there, and he pointed out by my count at least 13 inconsistencies that were significant. >> but the police didn't think so, right? >> well, the police -- >> that's a significant problem

if the lead investigator thought at the time -- >> that's a hard thing to get around. [ all talking at once ] >> and the lead investigator was going to recommend manslaughter. >> we know that. we know that. but you've got to assume that the sequestered jury knows that, and why do you think that the sequestered jury is going to assume some of the things we know or have seen and watched anderson's interview with the police chief who got thrown under the bus or claims he did? the amazing thing about this, as i watched that today, i wonder how many times your mcbrilliant has gotten up there and argued that some 17-year-old black youth was the trouble maker and bla, bla, bla. it really is an inversion. >> you made the point -- >> it really gnaws at those of us who do criminal defense for a living, when you watch these

prosecutors trying to embrace 17-year-old boys now who they normally would think nothing of sending them to the death chamber. >> mark made that point yesterday. the prosecution is now calling him a boy, you know, playing down his age, whereas if the roles were reversed, they would be trying him as an adult in some other cases. >> yes, they would have. but he was killed here. he is the victim and he was unarmed. so i think it's not surprising that they -- that they have treated him this way. i still don't understand -- sunny, maybe you can help me. what did he lie about? >> sure. do we have enough time? >> let's take a quick break and we'll talk more about that when we come back. a lot more to talk about. also there's only six individuals who matter now, the women on the jury. we'll take a look at who they

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six jurors have a lot to think about as they prepare for the weekend's deliberations. think about but not talk about. talking is a no-no outside the jury room. today judge nelson reading a long list. >> do not discuss the case. do not read or listen to any television or news reports about the case.

do not use any type of electronic device to get on the internet to do any independent research about the case. people, places, things or terminology. and do not read or create any e-mails, tweets, text messages, social networking pages about the case. >> in addition, while they spend the night at a hotel, their notes remain locked up in the jury room. as randi kaye reports, these six women are carrying plenty around in their heads. >> reporter: for weeks, the jury of six women has been a captive audience as prosecutors and defense lawyers try to sway them. from the moment it started, pure drama. prosecutor john guy's opening statement. >> good morning. [ bleep ] punks. these [ bleep ]s, they always get away. those were the words in that grown man's mouth as he followed in the dark a 17-year-old boy who he didn't know. >> reporter: cnn legal analyst sunny hostin has been in court every day.

>> the inference is yeah, these are shocking, ugly, hateful words. and that wasn't lost upon the jury. i looked at them very, very closely, and some of them did seem shocked and offended almost by the words. >> reporter: at other times, the jury seemed to be captivated by the defense, especially when defense attorneys pulled out a dummy in court to help illustrate the confrontation. >> i was impressed when they stood up to get a bird's-eye view when they were trying to replicate or reproduce what was going on between trayvon martin and george zimmerman. it was very telling. it showed how into this they were, how they were watching a tennis match. >> reporter: jurors were especially engaged when the mothers of both trayvon martin and george zimmerman testified. five out of six jurors are married and almost all of them have children.

prosecutor john guy keyed into that here. >> was that child not in fear when he was running from that defendant? isn't that every child's worst nightmare to be followed on the way home in the dark by a stranger? isn't that every child's worst fear. that was trayvon martin's last emotion. >> i looked directly at the jury when he said those words and their eyes didn't leave his face. and so i think that it couldn't have been more powerful for the makeup of that jury. >> reporter: juror e-6, a blonde with two children, put down her

pen during that moment and stared intently at the prosecutor. her children are 11 and 13. she's a proud member of her church. her husband is an engineer. other specifics on the women deciding zimmerman's fate. juror b-29 is originally from chicago. she's been married ten years, the only minority on the jury, either black or hispanic. she has eight children, only one older than 18. juror b-76 has a son who is an attorney. she is unemployed now but used to run a construction company with her husband. she loves animals. juror b-37 is the daughter of an air force captain. one of her children is a pet groomer. another a student at the university of central florida. juror b-51 is the only juror who isn't married. she's a retired real estate agent and a transplant from atlanta. and juror e-40 is married to a chemical engineer. she has one son, in her spare time she watches football, reads

and likes to travel. this jury took lots of notes. copious notes while george zimmerman's re-enactment at the scene was being replayed. also when the mad -- medical examiner and dna expert testified. it seemed as though they wanted to be sure they understood what was being said. they didn't want to miss a thing. ashley merriman is an expert on jury behavior. she predicts this all-women jury will exhaust every alternative and look at every piece of evidence. >> women social circles are based in pairs, telling that best friend all of your secrets and having no hierarchy. everyone has agreement and avoids conflict. they continue to apply that even in that group setting. >> reporter: she says don't expect any yelling in this jury room but don't expect a quick verdict, either. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> as you saw in the report, sunny hostin has spent extensive time in the courtroom.

she's back with jeffrey toobin, danny cevallos and mark geragos. sunny, you've been observing them every day. we've seen them ask for a list of all the evidence. what do you think is going on? how do you see their deliberations going? how methodical during the trial? >> based on their behavior and first question two minutes into the deliberations, they're asking for an inventory list of all of the evidence. this is going to be a jury that is going to methodically look through all of the evidence. i don't know that i've ever seen a jury take notes the way this jury took notes. and it's also clear to me that they've gelled. they have been sequestered together. remember, there was no jury, no courtroom on july 4. they were able to go out together. they eat together. i've recently seen some of them offer mints to each other. one of them put a shawl on the shoulders of another. this is a group of women who are getting together and getting along quite well.

and so that kind of situation, i think you do have that collaborative type of deliberations as opposed to some where you see everyone is butting heads. i do not get that sense from this jury. >> in terms of sequester, what does that mean? they're staying in a hotel room, there's ten people, six jurors, four alternates. are they able to stay in contact with family and friends? they can't watch reports like this on the news but they can watch regular tv? >> normally in the old days when there was newspapers, they would cut out articles and give them the newspaper. sometimes they'll give them movies and things like that. today the reason they wanted to be recessed at 6:00 is so they could get back to the hotel and break open a couple of nice bottles of wine. after watching this trial and doing everything else. it would not surprise me if they get into a couple of glasses tonight. i think the fact that they were sequestered is one of the reasons you don't see a friday

verdict. a lot of times in my experience, in doing hundreds of these cases, if you have your closing arguments on a friday and you finish in the morning, you can expect the verdict by 3:30 or 4:00 on a friday afternoon. in a case like this, they're aware the country is looking at this case. even if they had a verdict, and it happened in susan macdougal's first trial, the jury told me they had a verdict on friday but they didn't want to be seen as an o.j. jury, so they waited to monday and came back and delivered the verdict on the monday. >> this is a real thing mark is talking about, the legacy of the o.j. simpson jury, which as many people remember, came back with a not guilty after just one day of deliberations. a lot of people criticized them given the complexity and length of the case. how could you possibly decide a case that quickly? ever since then, i think i've

covered most if not all of the high profile cases since then, certainly all with sequestered juries. none of them have come back that quickly, even when there was a lot of agreement on the jury. here, i think given this first note, they are going to be much more meticulous. i expect tomorrow we'll hear some of the exhibits that they want to see. they'll check off the ones they want to see. >> you don't think there will be a verdict tomorrow? >> i would be very surprised. >> for this reason or because there's so much stuff to go through? >> if you get a list of all the evidence, that means you're going to want to see some of the evidence. that becomes time consuming. once you get into readbacks of testimony, that's really time consuming. the lawyers have to agree what's responsive to the note. i don't see a verdict tomorrow. sunday, monday, we'll see. the notes will give us a hint of how they're doing. >> during his closing arguments, mark o'hara, the defense attorney, asked the jury to consider only the facts while deciding the case. i just want to play that. >> what i don't think you should

do is fill in any gaps at all. connect any dots. for him either. any fact. if the decision was made by the state not to present additional evidence to you, do not presume, do not assume and do not give anybody the benefit of the doubt except for george zimmerman. >> for the defense, that's essential to make that point. >> i love it, it's very important. this case is inverted. the prosecution is asking the jury to fill in gaps, asking them to use common sense and make assumptions and fill in where they failed to really create a narrative, a concrete narrative. i understand that the main person who would contribute to that narrative is no longer with us. however, unfortunately for the prosecution, that doesn't lessen their burden. mark o'hara did a very good job without the fire and brimstone walking through where the state came up short and admonishing

jurors to not fill in the gaps and not jump in and fill in any gaps. >> up next, mark o'hara believes that george zimmerman was charged because of what he calls a smear campaign to paint his client as a racist and a murderer. we'll hear who he blames for that. we'll also hear from an attorney for the martin family about those charges. is that true? says here that cheerios has whole grain oats that can help remove some cholesterol, and that's heart healthy. ♪ [ dad ] jan?

we saw at the top of the program in his closing argument, mark o'hara told jurors he wished they also had the option to find george zimmerman completely innocent. he firmly believes he says that zimmerman never should have been charged, that his client was basically railroaded. for that, he puts the blame on benjamin crump. he made his comments with an interview with martin savidge. >> reporter: do you think that george zimmerman would have even been charged had ben crump not been pulled into it? >> no. ben crump or someone like him. had ben crump not got involved in the case, maybe for some good reasons to begin with. if he believed there was

something being swept under the rug, then get on into it. i'm very okay with that. >> reporter: but you didn't say it that way. you made it sound like if not for ben crump, george zimmerman would be free at this time. and we would not be in a trial. >> that's correct. i think it was a made-up story for purposes that had nothing to do with george zimmerman. and that they victimized him, they complain about trayvon martin being victimized. george zimmerman was victimized by a publicity campaign to smear him, call him a racist when he wasn't and call him a murderer when he wasn't. >> reporter: so angela cory and the governor and all of those that had a hand in bringing about this prosecution, they were all manipulated by ben crump? >> i don't know that it was ben crump doing all that manipulations. i'm very surprised that the prosecution team decided not to take this case to a grand jury when one was sitting and ready to take on the case, and determine whether or not there was enough evidence and enough information to charge him with any crime.

rather than do that, which was the default position that could have happened, they decided to have a press conference, pray with the victim's family and announce second degree murder charges. >> it's very strong position on mark o'hara's part. i spoke to martin family attorney daryl parks, ben crump's law partner. who is also an attorney for trayvon martin's parents. daryl, i want to start off with this interview mark o'hara gave to martin savidge. he accuses ben crump of manipulating facts, making up stories, victimizing george zimmerman to use his words in a smear campaign, and he said that without his actions, zimmerman would have never been charged. how do you respond? >> well, anderson, let's take our time and go through this, because it's very important. remember, and i remember when ben first came back to our firm, this guy had killed trayvon martin and the sanford police department were getting ready to close the investigation. and they indicated that they were not going to arrest this guy.

and we believe wholeheartedly that if you killed an unarmed teenager, you at a minimum ought to be arrested. now, mr. o'mara may have philosophical problems with that, but in our business, we're civil rights lawyers. when someone kills someone that is unarmed, that person should go into our justice system and go through that process. that is not a decision that should be made by one or two people. it's a decision that should be made by the process. and that's what we argued for. and so we have not done anything to talk about anyone but to make sure that this process worked. >> o'mara also says that the smear campaign labeled george zimmerman a racist, labeled him a murderrer and used that word. do you think that is true at all? do you believe at the time -- >> no, not at all. >> -- that you and ben crump were trying to introduce race as an element in this?

>> well, let me say this, we don't know george zimmerman, and in fact, i heard ben say today when asked that same question, we could never call that man a racist. now, we believed that this case in its totality has a racial undertone to it. and so that's a huge difference, anderson. >> i want to play something that you said back in march of last year for our viewers. >> whether or not trayvon was a perfect student is irrelevant to whether zimmerman's conduct that night was justified. trayvon was a kid. he was another unarmed black boy whose life was lost because of unfounded stereotyp, suspicions and fears. >> during the trial, the idea of racial profiling wasn't talked about. profiling was talked about, but not racial profiling. do you think there is an underpinning of race throughout this that wasn't brought into the trial? >> no, what he was charged with

is very important. criminal profiling. i think we heard it time and time again from the beginning of this case. george zimmerman talked about all these people who had committed crimes and we then saw where mark o'hara put on the last witness to talk about the crime in this case. the problem in this case, though, is that trayvon was not one of those people. >> what happens next? if george zimmerman is not found guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter, do you pursue a civil case against george zimmerman, regardless of whether he is found guilty or not, do you pursue a civil case against him? >> well, obviously we have the right to do so, because he killed trayvon martin and we know that standard is a negligence standard, and we have every right to do that if we choose to do it. we have not made that decision yet. obviously, at some point my clients will make that decision. but that's not a decision we'll

maybe in the public light. >> how are you feeling now and how are your clients feeling about the case, about the wait? >> we're feeling very strong. my clients had an opportunity to listen to the closing that the state did today. the state's closing was very powerful. they did an excellent job of bringing all the evidence together and putting it before the jury, and making that jury have a very, very deep thought about the whole concept of judging george zimmerman for a situation that he created, causing the death of trayvon. and as much as they tried to portray trayvon in a negative light, the truth of the matter, trayvon was scared on that night and did nothing to cause his own death. >> daryl parks, appreciate the time. thanks. >> thank you, sir. coming up, george zimmerman's defense attorney says even if he's acquitted, zimmerman will probably have to go into hiding and his life will never be the same. we'll take a look at some other

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george zimmerman's defense attorney mark o'hara said today even if zimmerman is acquitted he won't be able to have a normal life, he'll probably have to live in hiding. it's certainly true in high profile cases, a not guilty verdict doesn't necessarily mean smooth sailing ahead. the most famous example is o.j. simpson. for him, and for the defendants, the acquittal wasn't the end of the trouble. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: moments so well known, you likely remember where you were when you heard them. >> we the jury find the

defendant, orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. >> reporter: o.j. simpson cleared of charges of murder. then there's this, two years ago to month, in the same state as the zimmerman trial. >> we the jury find the defendant not guilty. >> reporter: casey anthony, a jury saying she was not guilty of murdering her daughter, caylee. go back to 1991. >> find the defendant not guilty of the crime of assault. >> reporter: four los angeles police officers caught on videotape, accused of assault with a deadly weapon and use of excessive force, on a man named rodney king. and also in california, pop icon michael jackson, accused and cleared of child molestation. >> we the jury find the defendant not guilty of a lewd acts upon a minor child. >> reporter: these are some of the most well known acquittals in american judicial history. >> if it doesn't fit, you must

acquit. >> reporter: but what happened to these people? did they reenter society and reclaim their lives? in the case of o.j. simpson, the answer is definitely no. 16 months after his criminal acquittal, he was found guilty in a civil court and ordered to pay $33.5 million to the families. then in 2008, he was convicted on 12 counts including kidnapping and armed roblry. he's now 66 years old and serving up to 33 years in prison. he's scheduled for a parole hearing later this month for the kidnapping charge. he will not be getting out any time soon. >> she began to cry and cry and cry. >> reporter: casey anthony is a different story. she was acquitted of the most serious charges in the murder case against her. she became infa mouls during it. her life of parenting and parentying was dissected in court. while there's no evidence she's

living this type of life anymore, she is living as a freedom and staying as ig cog neato as possible. rioting broke out in l.a. following the aquisales of the officers in the rodney king. king made a statement after the trial. >> can we all get along. >> reporter: he won a large settlement, but for many years he had brushes with the law. he died in june of 2012. his fiance finding him at the bottom of the swimming pool after he accidently drowned. another man with a tragic end, michael jackson's antics were unusual as he went through his legal proceedings. he was accused of seven counts of molestation involving a 13-year-old boy. after he was found not guilty in june of 2009, the world was stunned when the king of pop was found dead of a drug overdose. gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta.

>> joining me now, jeffrey toobin and mark geragos, who represented michael jackson in the early stages of jackston's child molestation case. jose baez will join us shortly. it is interesting to look back and see all these cases and kind of how people ended up. people do have to go into hiding. casey anthony for one, because people get very invested in these trials. >> right. and o.j. simpson is, i think, the classic -- is perhaps the most extreme example. look, i wrote a whole book saying i thought he killed his ex-wife and ron goldman. but then he gets prosecuted in nevada on what i thought was a very weak case, got an extremely excessive sentence, trying to take back his memorabilia where someone es had a gun. o.j. simpson, who didn't have the gun, gets this enormous sentence. it's karma, you know, caught up with him, but it was really, il

thought, a very questionable case. >> mark, you initially represented michael jackson. when you're in the midst of such a high profile case like that, how do you counsel somebody after it's done about trying to resume a life? obviously not in the michael jackson case, but in other cases are you involved in sort of the after care or does your role finish when the case is done? >> i will tell you, the one, and she was kind of -- she changed my career trajectory was susan macdougal. i tried two trials with her. she was acquitted in both, but by that time, she was penniless and really had no skills. she had been in custody for 22 months. >> you should say who she is. i don't think people remember anymore. >> susan was caught up in the white water investigation, and jeff did a very nice book about white water. and was prosecuted by the office

of independent counsel, and literally just strafed. i mean, her ex-husband, jim, who she went on trial with the first time when i didn't represent her, ended up cooperating and dying in prison. so there was her ex-husband dead. she ended up after two trials, more than most federal prosecutors ever try, she ended up in arkansas kind of penniless. so yeah, there was a lot of counseling that needed to be done. i'm happy to report that 14 or 15 years later, she's doing very well, living in arkansas. she's become a chaplain at a hospital or a hospice care place. but it is a devastating thing. listening to a prosecutor in a closing argument kind of just mischaracterize you and demonize you is something, as she said, you just never get over. something who makes a caricature of you and it seres into your

soul. i remember ray donovan, jeff, who -- >> the secretary of labor under ronald reagan. >> came out on the steps after he was acquitted and said, you know, where do i go to get my reputation back? the old expression, you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride. >> i want to bring in jose baez, you represented casey anthony. after the trial, you were escorted away by a s.w.a.t. team. people overwhelmingly felt she was guilty. in something like that, do you stay in touch with the client? do you prepare a client for what happens after the case is over? how does that work? >> first of all, it was a very scary thing to be escorted out by a s.w.a.t. team. i didn't want to stand too close, thinking maybe somebody was a bad shot. you know, it was really a crazy situation. she's just like any former

client. you don't stay too much in touch with them. they have to go live their lives and we have to fight on for the next case. >> in terms of -- is there like preparation, though? do you -- i mean, i know you're focused on winning the case. but once it's done, do you put them in touch with somebody who has advice for how they actually live their life? somebody like george zimmerman, if mark o'hara is correct and he has to live in hiding for much of his life or he can never feel safe, how do you prepare for that? >> you know, you sit down and you talk to them and explain to them, look, listen, this is what's been going on while you've been locked up. and this is the reality of your future. and that is that you really need to keep a low profile. there are people out there that will not respect the rule of law and will attempt to harm you. and it's ashame that we live in a country where we really have -- we really believe in our

constitution. we have men and women dying for it. but when it's applied, sometimes they don't agree wit and they want to take law into their own hands. >> jose, do you find people take it out on you? i get tweets from people saying how can you have this guy on the show? he represented casey anthony. my position is, everybody deserves an defense. do you find that one on one people take it out on you? >> you know, it's amazing. when i run into people in the street, i find much more support than i do online. so when you have the internet, that adds a whole new element to things. but the fact of the matter is, the defense lawyer is not the client. they're there, and they are their advocate. a lot of times they see how hard you're fighting for your client, and i believe in that. i think someone needs to stand in front of a defendant who can't speak for themselves and

say, listen, if you want to convict this person, you're going to have to get through me, and you're going to have to work hard and have the evidence to prove it. >> that's our system. that's what makes our system to the extend that it works at all, that's what makes it work. >> what's amazing about what jose says is, you also tend to be identified with whoever your client is at the time. when i had scott peterson, 500,000 people prayed for me to get cancer. at the same time i had michael jackson, 500,000 people were cheering me on. so it depends on who the client is. >> thank you very much. coming up, a grand jury indicts ariel castro on new charges related to holding three women captive. he's charged with many, many more than the 329 counts he was initially charged with. details ahead. teaching tools for success, and fostering creativity. these programs are empowering people to lead positive change,

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this is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. right now the six women deciding the fate of george zimmerman are back in the hotel, and we can only imagine what is going through their minds. that he deliberated for three hours and 33 minutes. the jury will return at 9:00 a.m. to begin deliberating again for the trial that is gripping america. will they find george zimmerman guilty or not guilty of murdering trayvon martin, and could they return for a manslaughter conviction or will they simply acquit him of all charges? they asked for 200 exhibits and reams of testimony to pore over. a fiery closing argument from the defense and an equally rebuttal from the prosecution.