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are they close or far apart? six women now that. second-degree murder, manslaughter or not guilty. they decided to sleep on it. >> the jury would like to adjourn at 6:00 p.m. the jury would like to begin tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. if possible. anybody have objections in. >> no your honor. >> no, your honor. >> they got the case about 2:00 eastern time, two hours and got evidence in the case and the judge says it's up to them to decide what to believe. tonight we'll look at what they will weigh, who they are and what goes on during deliberations. we'll look at the allegation of the defense counsel mark o'mara made to martin savidge. he says this case never would have made it to court had it not been for a publicity campaign, a
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smeared campaign by the martin legal time. first martin savidge's report as each side made the final pitch today to the jury. >> reporter: defense attorney mark o'mara began the closing argument reminding jurors the prosecution had to prove it's case against george zimmerman. and pointed out the prosecutor's own words lacked conviction. >> how many could have beens have you heard from the state in this case? how many what ifs? >> reporter: then mark o'mara said what he was not obligated to do, prove his client innocent. what followed is a three-hour summation with a matter of fact style. >> if i were to talk in today, let's say and i just as an example, walked in like this, justed walk the in the courtroom as a lawyer.
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you would have an impression. what in god's name is he doing with sunglasses on, and who does he think he is? stand up for a second. you may have an impression of him because he's sitting at the defense table and that maybe as we talked about, he's not just a citizen but maybe a defendant. that means something he has to defend. >> reporter: o'mara asked the jury not to judge by first impression but use common sense. >> if it hasn't been proven as the instruction tells you, it's just not there. you can't connect the dots for the state attorney's office. >> reporter: it may have taken three hours for o'mara to deliver the argument but part of the three hours were just pure silence. >> we'll sit tight and we're not going to talk. four minutes of silence ticking by to show the jury the length of time he said martin had to escape after he spotted george
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zimmerman watching him. >> that's how long trayvon martin had to run, about four minutes. >> reporter: instead of running, o'mara said martin decided to confront zimmerman that night and used a 3 d animation showing him purging zimmerman to the nose. a repeated out take. >> seriously? really? really? come on. really? i real most wish the verdict had guilty, not guilty and completely innocent because i would ask you to check for that one. >> reporter: the prosecution deliver add strongly-worded rebuttal saying trayvon martin's blood is on george zimmerman's hands. >> that child had every right to be afraid of a strange man following him, first in his car and then on foot and did that
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child not have the right to defend himself from that strange man? >> reporter: that child according to the prosecution, but a dangerous teenager according to the defense. >> but that's cement. that is the sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home, and the suggestion by the state that that's not a weapon, that that can't hurt somebody, that that can't cause great bodily injury is disgusting. >> reporter: martin savidge, cnn sanford, florida. >> well let's bring in the panel legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny host tin and jeffrey toobin. how do you think mark o'mara did today?
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>> i think he did well and exactly what i expected, primarily a low-key methodical and talking as opposed to theater or drama to it but pretty much what i expected. i thought he did a nice use of the chart with the degrees showing what is not reasonable doubt, and what is reasonable doubt conversely. so i thought all and all it was effective and he hit the points he needed to hit. >> sunny, you were in the courtroom. how do you think he did? >> i think he did fine. i don't think it was great. i don't think he knocked it out of the park but i thought he was efficient. i thought he was effective.
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i thought it was good. some theater fell flat like the cartoon that we've been talking about. i expected more out of it. i don't think it was use that well. the slab of concrete. the jurors didn't stand up to look at it the way they looked at other things, but i did like his style in terms of the -- his manner. he did seem to be folks, approachable, an interesting speaking style and i think that's a good style for him, because i think that's who mark o'mara is. he's a nose person, folksy person and that's what you need to do as a trial lawyer.
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>> jeff? >> it surprised me in two ways. one is he didn't talk much about the manslaughter charge. i thought he would be really focused on trying to get the jury, don't compromise. he's devoted almost all his time to the murder and the other thing that surprised me is the prosecution spent so much time talking about zimmerman's statements and his supposed lies. o'mara almost blew it off and said, yes, he didn't say things, you know, the same way every time, but, you know, you can't call those lies. that was just an interesting allocation of his argument. >> danny? >> i actually thought that was effective. he left the inconsistencies alone. i think he's having faith you
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can go one of two ways, inconsistencies are inconsistencies or liar, liar pants on fire. the transcripts, tapes, all those come down to whether you think he's lying or can't tell the same story many times. the way he addressed it is he said look, the lead investigator, he believed it was credible because of his experience, and the state didn't call him. look at all the things the state didn't call. i had to call tracy martin. i had to call the lead investigator. that is a really, really damming indictment against the prosecution. >> when john guy did the close he referred to trayvon martin as a child but the defense painted him as a dangerous teenager. sunny, how do you think the jurors reacted to that? >> while mark o'mara did good, he did a good job on his closing, john guy hit it out of the park. he did great. if people were calling him mcdreamy before mark geragos, they are calling him perfect. the jury was river vetted. they did not take their eyes off of this man and what was so important about it, anderson, is that now i understand why the state was okay with having those nay mire alone in the dark in the rain being followed by a stranger and being afraid. that resignated singl it was so it was >> i got to go to mark geragos because he's grinning like a cat. mark? >> yeah, i predicted it last night. it's just shocking, isn't it, that sunny thought that he was mcbrilliant. didn't you tweet today sunny he had them at hello? wasn't that yours?
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>> he did, he did, mark. >> you need to damp it down, sunny. you're seeing this, you got a school girl crush on this guy. >> you didn't see an excellent closing -- >> no, i did not. i thought it was trite. >> wow. >> and frankly -- >> wow. >> and frankly, sunny, i guess the only way we will ever know, the only way we'll ever know and i'll stand corrected and worship at your psychic feet of wonder -- >> you should do that now. >> i'll wait and see what the jury -- >> did you guys think it was effective? >> yeah, this case inverted so many normal paradigms. it's the defense attorneys asking the question why did this
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front end and on the back end just pulled away at those bricks and said it doesn't make sense. use your commonsense, and mark o'mara is right. if you have to use common sense, as he said, fill gaps, the prosecution has not met the burden. >> mark o'mara pointed out that the prosecution hasn't explained what actually happened. >> exactly. i thought the most effective part of his summation, of o'mara's is he said the prosecution said it could have and what if and that's not how you prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. the other thing i thought was interesting about the rebuttal by the prosecutor is again, talking about the alleged false statements and, you know, i'm sure sunny can correct me but i just don't know if those false statements are so dramatic or so
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false. >> what do you make -- >> oh -- >> sunny -- >> go ahead, sunny. >> they are the most -- >> i thought that they certainly showed that they weren't just silly little mistakes. i mean, he -- there was a power point there and he pointed out by my account at least 13 inconsistencies that were significant, significant inconsistencies. >> but the police didn't think so, right? >> yeah, that seems to be a significant problem that the lead investigator -- >> the police who had the investigation torn from them -- >> that's a hard thing to get around, the lead investigator. >> the lead investigator -- >> the lead investigator -- >> let mark finish, mark, go ahead. >> we know that. we know that. you've got to assume that the sequestered jury knows that and why do you think that the sequestered jury is going to assume some of the things that we know or we've seen or watched anderson's interview with the police chief who got thrown under the bus or claims he got
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>> do not discuss the case amongst yourselves or anybody else. do not read or listen to any television or news reports about the case. do not use any type of electronic device to get on the internet to do any independent research about the place. and do not read or create anything about the case. >> in addition, while they spend the night at a hotel, their notes are in the jury room. these six women are carrying around plenty in their head. >> reporter: for weeks, the jury of six women has been a captive audience as prosecutors and defense lawyers try to sway them. from the moment it started, pure drama. prosecutor john guy's opening statement. >> good morning. [ bleep ] punks. these [ bleep ]s, they always get away. those were the words in that grown man's mouth as he followed in the dark a 17-year-old boy who he didn't know. >> reporter: cnn legal analyst sunny hostin has been in court
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every day. >> the inference is yeah, these are shocking, ugly, hateful words. and that wasn't lost upon the jury. i looked at them very, very closely, and some of them did seem shocked and offended almost by the words. >> reporter: at other times, the jury seemed to be captivated by the defense, especially when defense attorneys pulled out a dummy in court to help illustrate the confrontation. >> i was impressed when they stood up to get a bird's-eye view when they were trying to replicate or reproduce what was going on between trayvon martin and george zimmerman. it was very telling. it showed how into this they were, how they were watching a tennis match. >> reporter: jurors were especially engaged when the mothers of both trayvon martin and george zimmerman testified. five out of six jurors are married and almost all of them have children.
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prosecutor john guy keyed into that here. >> was that child not in fear when he was running from that defendant? isn't that every child's worst nightmare to be followed on the way home in the dark by a stranger? isn't that every child's worst fear. that was trayvon martin's last emotion. >> i looked directly at the jury when he said those words and their eyes didn't leave his face. and so i think that it couldn't have been more powerful for the
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makeup of that jury. >> reporter: juror e-6, a blonde with two children, put down her pen during that moment and stared intently at the prosecutor. her children are 11 and 13. she's a proud member of her church. her husband is an engineer. other specifics on the women decides zimmerman's fate. juror b-29 is originally from chicago. she's been married ten years, the only minority on the jury, either black or hispanic. she had eight children, only one older than 18. juror b-76 has a son who is an attorney. she sun employed now but used to run a construction company with her husband. she loves animals. juror b-37 is the daughter of an air force captain. one of her children is a pet groomer. another a student at the university of central florida. juror b-51 is the only juror who isn't married. she's a retired real estate agent and a transplant from atlanta. and juror e-40 is married to a chemical engineer. she has one son, in her spare
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time she watches football, reads and likes to travel. this jury took lots of notes. copious mounts while george zimmerman's re-enactment at the scene was being replayed. and when the dna and medical examiner testified. it seemed as though they wanted to be sure they understood what was being said. they didn't want to miss a thing. ashley merriman is an expert on jury behavior. she predicts they'll exhaust every alternative and look at every piece of evidence. >> telling that best friend all of your secrets and having no hierarchy. everyone has agreement and avoids conflict. they continue to apply that even in that group setting. >> reporter: she says don't expect any yelling in this jury room but don't expect a quick verdict, either. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> reporter: sunny hostin has been in the courtroom and is
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back with jeffrey toobin, danny cevallos and mark geragos. sunny, you've been observing them every day. we've seen them ask for a list of all the evidence. what do you think is going on? how do you see their deliberations going on? >> based on their behavior and first question two minutes into the deliberations, they're asking for an inventory list of all of the evidence. this is going to be a jury that is going to methodically look through all of the evidence. i don't know that i've ever seen a jury take notes the way this jury took notes. and it's also clear to me that they've gelled. they have been sequestered together. remember, there was no jury, no courtroom on july 4.
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they were able to go out together. they eat together. i've recently seen some of them offer mints to each other. one of them put a shaw on the shoulders of another. this is a group of women who are getting together and getting along quite well. and so that kind of situation, i think you do have that collaborative type of deliberations as opposed to some where you see everyone is butting heads. i do not get that sense from this jury. >> in terms of sequester, what does that mean? they're staying in a hotel room, ten jurors, four are alternates? are they allowed to stay in contact with their friends? they can't watch reports like this on the news. but they can watch old tv? >> normally when there was newspapers they would cut out articles and give them the newspaper. sometimes they'll give them movies and things like that. today the reason they wanted to be recessed at 6:00 is so they could get back to the hotel and break open a couple of nice bottles of wine. it would not surprise me if they get into a couple of glasses tonight. i think the fact that they were sequestered is one of the reasons you don't see a friday verdict. a lot of times in my experience, in doing hundreds of these cases, if you have your closing arguments on a friday and you finish in the morning, you can expect the verdict by 3:30 or 4:00 on a friday afternoon. in a case like this, they're aware the count try is looking at this case. even if they had a verdict, and it happened in susan macdougal's first trial, the jury told me they had a verdict on friday bu they di talkin giv high pr i expect to evid responsiv >> what i >> f them t pers that about wha i think today the reason that they wanted to be recessed at 6:00 is so they could go back to the hotel and break open a couple of nice bottles of wine after watching this trial and doing everything. it would not surprise me if they
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get into a couple of cups tonight or a couple of glasses tonight. i think the fact that they were sequestered is one of the reasons you don't see a friday verdict. a lot of times in my experience, in doing hundreds of these cases, if you have your closing arguments on a friday and you finish in the morning, you can expect the verdict by 3:30 or 4:00 on a friday afternoon. in a case like this, they're aware that the country is looking at this case. even if they had a verdict, and i had this happen in the susan macdougal's first trial, the jury told me they had a verdict on friday but they didn't want to be seen as an o.j. jury, so they waited to monday and came back and delivered the verdict on the monday. >> this is a real thing mark is talking about, the legacy of the o.j. simpson jury, which as many people remember, came back with a not guilty after just one day of deliberations. a lot of people criticized them given the complexity and length of the case. >> how do you possibly decide a
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case that quickly? ever since then, i think i've covered most if not all of the high profile cases since then, none of them have come back that quickly, even when there was a lot of agreement on the jury. here, i think given this first note, they are going to be much more meticulous. i expect tomorrow we'll hear some of the exhibits that they want to see. they will check off the ones they want to see. >> you don't think there will be a verdict tomorrow? that becomes time consuming. once you get into readbacks of testimony, that's really time consuming.
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the lawyers have to agree what's responsive to the note. i just don't see a verdict tomorrow. sunday, monday, we'll see. the notes will give us a hint of how they're doing. >> during his closing arguments, mark o'mara, the defense attorney, asked the jury to consider only the facts while deciding the case. >> what i don't think you should do is fill in any gaps at all. connect any dots for him either, for any fact, for any witness. if the decision was made by the state not to present additional evidence to you, do not presume, do not assume and do not give anybody the benefit of the doubt except for george zimmerman. >> danny, for the defense, that's owe sensing to make that point. >> i love it, it's very important. this case is inverted. the prosecution is asking the jury to fill in gaps, asking them to use common sense and make assumptions and fill in where they failed to really create a narrative, a concrete narrative. i understand that the main person who would contribute to that narrative is no longer with us. however, unfortunately, for the prosecution, that doesn't lessen their burden. mark o'hara did a very good job very dispassionately without the fire and brimstone walking through where the state came up short and add monishing the
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jurors not to fill in those gaps, not jump in and fill in any gaps they forgot to fill in. >> up next, defense attorney mark o'mara beliefs that george zimmerman was charged due to what he calls a smear campaign. he blames that on ben crump, an attorney for trayvon martin's parents. we'll hear from mark o'hara about what he has to say and reaction from daryl parks, ben crump's law partner, who is also an attorney for the martin family.
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that? >> i don't know that it was ben crump doing all that manipulation but i'm very surprised that the prosecution team decided not to take this case to a grand jury when one was sitting and panelled ready to take on the case, state of florida versus george zimmerman and determine whether there was enough evidence or information to charge him with any crime. rather than do that, which was the default position that could have happened, they decided have a press conference, pray with the victim's family and announce second-degree murder charges. >> a very strong position on mark o'mara's part. i spoke to martin family attorney darryl parks, ben crump's law partner, also an attorney for trayvon martin's parents. >> i want to start off with this
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interview mark o'mara gave to martin savidge. he accuses him of smearing zimmerman and without his actions zimmerman never would have been charged. how do you respond? >> let's take our time and go through. i think it's very important. remember, and i remember when ben first came back to our firm, this guy had killed trayvon martin and the sanford police department were getting ready to close their investigation, and they indicated that they were not going to arrest this guy. and we believe wholeheartedly that if you kill an unarmed teenager, you at a minimum ought to be arrested. now, mr. o'mara may have philosophical problems with that, but in our business we're civil rights lawyers, and when someone kills someone who is unarmed, that person should go
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into our justice system and go through that process. that is not a decision that should be made by one or two people. it's a decision that should be made by the process, and that's what we argued for, and so we have not done anything to talk about anyone but to make sure that this process box. >> now o'mara also says that the smear campaign, the publicity campaign labeled george zimmerman a racist, labeled him a murderer but labeled him a racist and he used that word. do you think that is true at all? do you believe at the time that -- that you and ben crump were trying to introduce race as an element in this? >> well, let me say this. we don't know george zimmerman, and, you know, in fact i heard ben say today, let me ask that same question. we could never call that man a racist. now we believe that this case in its totality has a racial undertone to it and so that's a huge difference, anderson. >> i want to play something that you said back in march of last year for our viewers. >> whether or not trayvon was a perfect student is irrelevant to whether zimmerman's conduct that
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night was justified. trayvon was a kid. he was another unarmed black boy whose life was lost because of unfounded stereotypes, suspicions and fears. >> during the trial the idea of racial profiling wasn't talked about, profiling was talked about but not racial profiling. do you think that -- that there is an underpinning of race throughout this that wasn't brought into the trial? >> no. what he was charged with, anderson, is very important. criminal profiling, and i think we heard it time and time again from the beginning of this case where george zimmerman talked
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about all these people who had committed crimes, and we then saw where mark o'mara put on the last witness to talk about the crime and the black youths that had been involved in this case. the problem with this case is trayvon was not one of those people. >> what happens next? i mean, if -- if george zimmerman is not found guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter, do you pursue a civil case against george zimmerman regardless of whether he is found guilty or not, do you pursue a civil case against him? >> well, obviously we have the right to do so because he killed trayvon martin, and we know that that standard is a negligence standard and we have every right to do it if we choose to do it. we've not made that decision. obviously at some point my clients will make that decision but it's not a decision we'll make in the public light. >> how are you feeling now, and how are your clients feeling about -- about the case, about -- about the wait? >> well, we're feeling very strong. my clients had an opportunity to listen to the closing that the state did today. the state's closing was very powerful. they did an excellent job of bringing all of the evidence together and putting it before the jury and making that jury have a very, very deep thought about the whole concept of judging george zimmerman for a situation that he created,
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george zimmerman's defense attorney mark o'mara said if he's acquitted he can't have a normal life but probably have to live in hiding. in high-profile cases and not guilty verdict doesn't mean smooth sailing ahead. the most famous example is o.j. simpson. he was acquitted after jurors deliberated for four hours and the acquittal wasn't the end of the trouble. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: moments so well-known you likely remember where you were when you heard them. >> we the jury in the aboved entitled action find the
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defendant o.j. simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. >> o.j. simpson cleared of charges of murdering his ex-wife nicole brown simpson and her friend ronald gold man and two years ago this month in the same state as the zimmerman trial. >> we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all. >> casey anthony, a jury saying she was not guilty of murdering her daughter kaley. >> we find the defendant theodore not guilty of the crime of assault. >> four los angeles police officers caught on videotape with use of a excessive force and a deadly weapon on rodney king and pop icon michael jackson accused and cleared of child molestation. >> we the jury in the above entitled case find the jury not guilty of allude act upon a minor child. >> these are some of the most well-known acquittals in american ju dish l history. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> what happened? did they reenter society and reclaim the lives they had? in the case of o.j. simpson, the case is now.
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16 months after his criminal acquittal he was found guilty in a civil court to pay $33.5 million to the families of nicole simpson and ronald gold man and in 2008 he was convicted on 12 counts with kidnapping and armed robbery. he's 66 and serving prison term. he's scheduled for parole, but only for the kidnapping. he won't get out of jail any time soon. >> she began kaley and began to cry and cry and cry. >> casey anthony is a different story. she was acquitted but not famous before the trail, she became infamous during it. her life of partying was dissected in court and while there is no evidence she's living this type of life any more, she is living as a free women in an undisclosed location r followin >> reporte proceedings. he was accused of seven counts of molestation involving a 13-year-old boy. after found not guilty in june of 2009, four years to the month of his acquittal, the world was stunned when the king of pop was found dead of a drug overdose. all these people acquitted in famous trials, all of them also with serious challenges in life after they walked free. gary tuchman, cnn atlanta. joining me now is jeffrey toobin and mark geragos who
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>> can we all get along? >> reporter: he n a large settlement but for many years had brushes with the law. he died in june of 2012. his fiancee finding him at the bottom of a swimming pool after he accidently drowned. another man with a tragic end, michael jackson's antics were unusual as he went through legal proceedings. he was accused of seven counts of molestation involving a 13-year-old boy. after found not guilty in june of 2009, four years to the month of his acquittal, the world was stunned when the king of pop was found dead of a drug overdose.
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joining me now is jeffrey toobin and mark geragos who represented michael jackson in the early stages and casey anthony's defense attorney will join us shortly. it is interesting to look back and see the cases and how people ended up. people do have to go into hiding. casey anthony, for one, because people get invested in these trials. >> right, and o.j. simpson is, i think the classic -- is perhaps the most extreme example because look, i wrote a whole book saying i thought he killed his ex-wife and ron gold man, but then he gets prosecuted in nevada on what i thought was a very weak case, got an extremely excessive -- >> take back his memorabilia. >> take back memorabilia but the guy who got the gun had no prison time. o.j. simpson gets this enormous sentence. so it's -- it's karma, you know, caught up with him but it was really, i thought, a very questionable case.
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>> mark, as i said, you initially represented michael jackson in the early stages of the child molestation case. when you're in a high-profile case like that, how do you counsel somebody after it's done about trying to resume life? are you -- obviously not the michael jackson case, but other cases are you involved in sort of the after care or does your role finish when the case is done? >> i will tell you, the one that she was kind of -- she changed my career projectorry was mcdou gle. she was penny less -- >> you should say who susan mcdou gle is. >> she was caught up in the white water investigation, jeff did a nice book about white water a series of books and was prosecuted by the office of independent counsel and literally just strafed.
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her ex-husband jim who she went on trial with the first time when i didn't represent her ended up cooperating and dying in prison, so there was her ex-husband dead and she ended up after two trials, which is more than most federal prosecutors ever try, she ended up in arkansas kind of penny less. so there was a lot of counseling to be done and i'm happy to report 14 or 15 years later she's doing well living in arkansas and become a chaplain at a hospital or kind of a hospice care place. it is a devastating thing. i don't think -- i think if you had susan on, she would tell you listening to the prosecutor in a closing argument kind of just characterized or mischaracterized you and demonized you as something she said you never get over. it someone that takes you and makes a charter of you and seres you in your soul.
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i remember radon von, jeff? >> yeah, the secretary of labor under regan. >> regan came onto the steps after he was acquitted and said where do i go to get my reputation back? it's -- the old expression you can beat the wrap but you can't beat the ride. >> jose bias, i know you were escorted away from the courthouse by a swat team. people were extremely invested in that case, overwhelmingly felt she was guilty. in something like that, do you stay in touch with the client? do you prepare a client for what happens after the case is over? how does that work? >> first of all, it was a very scary thing to be escorted out by a swat team. i didn't want to stand too close thinking maybe somebody was a bad shot.
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you know, it was really a crazy situation. i don't stay, you know, she's just like any former client. you don't really stay too much in touch with them. they have to go live their lives and we have to go fight on for the next case. >> in terms of is there like preparation, though? do you -- i mean, i know you're focused on winning the case but once it's done and i know you said you don't stay in touch. do you put them in touch with somebody who has advice for how they actually live their life? someone like george zimmerman, if mark o'mara is correct and he has to live in hiding or never feel completely safe, how do you prepare for that? >> well, you know, you sit down and talk to them and explain to them, look, listen, this is what is going on why you've been locked up and this is -- this is
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the reality of your future, and that is that you really need to keep a low profile. there are people out there, will not respect the rule of law and will attempt to harm you, and it's a shame that we live in a country where we really have -- we really believe in our constitution. we have men and women dying for it but when applies, sometimes they don't agree and want to take law into their hands. >> do you find people take it out on you saying how can you have the guy on this show, he represented casey anthony. my position is everybody deserves a defense. you're an attorney. this is what you do. do you find that one on one, people take it out on you? >> you know, it's amazing when i run into people in the street, i find much more support than i do online. so you know, when you have -- when you have the internet, i think that adds a whole new element to things. but the fact of the matter is the defense lawyer is not the client. they are there, but they are
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their advocate. so a lot of times they see them arguing and see how hard you're fighting for your client and i believe in that. i think someone needs to stand in front of a defendant who can't speak and say listen, if you want to convict this person, you have to get through me and you have to work hard and have the evidence to prove it. >> that's our system. that's what the constitution is, that's what makes the system, you know, to the extent that it works at all -- >> you know -- >> it's what prevents -- >> it's amazing -- >> sorpry. >> you know what is amazing about who jose says is you tend to be identified with whoever your client is at the time. i mean, when i had scott peterson 500,000 people prayed for me to get chancer and at the same time i had michael michael 500,000 people were cheering me on. it depends on the client and whether they are famous or infamous. >> thanks, guys, very much. a grand jump indicts aerial castro for holding three women captive in that home of his for a decade. he's charged with many, many more than the 329 counts he was initially charged with. details ahead. huh...anybody? julie! hey...guess what day it is?? ah come on, i know you can hear me. mike mike mike mike mike... what day is it mike?
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at meineke. let's check in with randi kaye. >> anderson, a third victim from asiana 214 has died.- the girl was in critical condition. 304 other survived saturday's crash and hours ago the runway reopened. cleveland kidnapping suspect ariel castro faces 977 counts including aggravated murder related to allegations he caused the term nation of a pregnancy. the grand jury indictment triples the charges and covers a decade when the three girls were allegedly raped in his cleveland home. and an anonymous bidder bought a rare vintage mercedes race car for $30 million. five-time formula one champion manuel won two grand prix races in the 1954 mercedes benz which now has the distinction of being the most expensive car ever sold --
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