lesser charge of manslaughter, or could he be found not guilty completely. if the jury can't reach a unanimous decision, we have a hung jury and a mistrial would be declared. >> the let's get back down to sanford, florida. don lemon is outside the courthouse. he's been working the scene. i understand you got a chance to talk to basically everybody involved including the prosecutors which is very unusual. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. it's as they say god works in mysterious ways. there was a little bit of misdirection this morning. so i got to the courtroom late. i said, man, i missed the jury. as i got to the courtroom, i got in a little late. the jury was leaving, but the zimmermans were coming out, so i got to see the family. george zimmerman's family. they were a bit solemn. i got to see his wife. i got to see the defense team's wife and their family as well. and so they walked away. so i went back downstairs to report on it, but we were in taped programming.

so i went back into the courtroom and the court officers directed me back to the fifth floor. i go to the fifth floor, chris and kate, and there is george zimmerman as i round the corner with his family. and i just look at him and say hello. they keep walking past me and they walk over a window and they look out. and then the prosecution team walks over as well. and then -- but they don't say anything to me. they don't get on the elevator with me. and as i'm walking down, the prosecution walks over to the elevator and they invite us in, me and a couple other reporters. i say to them can we walk in? are we breaking ni kind of rule? they said no, come on. i said it's interesting you're smiling this morning, what does that say? i said that to john guy. bernie said it doesn't say anything, it just says he's had a good night's sleep and they kind of laugh. and then i looked at him. quite honestly, i know this is

serious but how do you feel about you being a big serious prosecutor and being called mcdreamy and the whole elevator erupts including him and he turns bright red and says that's an awkward question. and then they said how does your wife feel about it? he said have a great day but that's the most interesting question i have gotten throughout the process. the defense seems to be a little more serious than the prosecution at least -- obviously the burden is on the prosecution but they seem to be a little more light hearted. and the interesting thing is when i said that george zimmerman walked over to the window with his family, if you look up at the top of this building, george zimmerman at times is watching, he's looking out onto the courtyard and looking at all the media. he's looking at the handful of protesters who have walked out and who have gathered this morning, and i went over and

talked to them and got some signs. there is one that says justice for trayvon. there are three people here who have george zimmerman signs and they say we love you, george. we are not -- we are americans. we are not color. and george was hit, so you must acquit. it was just interesting this morning. but i found it very interesting that george zimmerman is standing on the top floor of this courthouse looking out and watching all of this happening outside. >> did you get any feel for the energy among his family and him? obviously, very difficult process of waiting for them, but did you pick up anything in your observation? >> reporter: you know, he was -- his family seemed more serious than -- more solemn i should say because his mom and dad looked pret solemn and his wife looked solemn as well. he seemed to be the one who was -- i wouldn't describe his mood as jovial but a little more

sort of even-keeled. a little happier than his family, and his team, his defense team, seemed very serious this morning. no smiles among them and they did not get on the elevators with any of the people, any of the court observers or any of the reporters. but he seemed to be in good spirits but his family very serious. >> don, thanks so much. we'll be coming back to you. as don was saying, the prosecutors seemed to be in good spirits. one of the reasons is it's completely out of their hands at this point. it's now in the hands of the jury and they will be deciding george zimmerman's fate and the jury is looking at a mountain of evidence. 14 days of testimony, more tan 200 exhibits as you pointed out earlier. just a huge amount of information that they potentially can try to sift through if they have not already reached agreement on what the verdict will be. joining us now to talk about all of this from sanford are our legal analysts sunny hostin, a former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst, of course, as

well as criminal defense attorney mark nejame. good morning. you have been together and watching this process all throughout. the focus is squarely, sunny, to start with you, is on the jury and what they're going to be considering. none of us are in the jury room. we don't know their process, but from your experience as a prosecutor, what do you think they're looking at now as we are into just past the fifth hour of their deliberations? >> well, you know, they have a lot of evidence in front of them. i think that's probably why the first question i think two minutes into their deliberations for the judge was can we have a list of all the exhibits. and i suspect that they are going through the time line. i suspect they're going through all of the statements that george zimmerman made and they're going through some of the forensic evidence as well. this is a murder case after all, and some of the elements that the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt are sort of an intent piece of it is the depraved mind. i think they are going to have to really get into that type of

evidence in order to find him guilty or not guilty of second-degree murder. i also think that, you know, this is a tough time for certainly the defendant. it's a tough time for the victim's family, and it's a really tough time for lawyers. i remember having a jury out. i think it's the worst time for a lawyer because you can't do anything. it's out of you your hands, as you mentioned. you have done everything you possibly could have done but you're doing the could haves, should haves, would haves. >> one of the advantages we have with you and mark and me just a little bit is we know what kind of dynamics go on in the room, what, discussed an how. let's ping-pong a couple things between the two of you, sunny. you will take the prosecution side in answering the questions and, mark, you can do the defense side. the first one that's very

important for the jury is to figure out how the fact that george zimmerman ignored the 911 call and went into this situation, what that means, okay? whether you want to line it up as an almost or not, we know it's been so big in the trial, they will be dealing with it. so, mark, the idea that, hey, he didn't listen to that 911 call, he went there. he had not just a gun, not just a loaded gun, but a bullet in the chamber. they told him to stay away and he confronted this guy in some way or at least that's what i think from the record speaking as a potential juror, what's the other side in that analysis? because it was a big part of the trial. >> well, let's say that you do have this split within the jury. the jurors are really a microcosm of our society and we know how almost evenly split people are in this case. with that said, there's got -- presuming there's someone on the jury who said but it wasn't illegal. it might have been dumb. it might have been irresponsible, but it wasn't illegal. so how can you fault somebody

and put them in prison and find them guilty if what they were doing was not illegal? and that's got to be the point that somebody who believes that he should be acquitted would be pounding home, because it was not illegal. it might have been a whole bunch of other things, but against the law? no, because, of course, he was never charged with any other offenses because they weren't against the law. >> sunny, one other big issue that -- it's not even really a fact of the case because we don't actually know how it played out and that's exactly the big reason is who was on top in this struggle? one thing i found interesting was that throughout the trial the prosecution seemed to change approach partway through, no longer trying to make the argument that trayvon martin -- that trayvon martin was on the bottom and that george zimmerman was on the top. more just trying to question the account that the defense was putting forth that george zimmerman was on the bottom. do you think that kind of change -- that kind of approach -- i feel like that cannot be lost on the jury.

>> see, i didn't see it that way from being in the courtroom and when you listen to john guy's closing rebuttal argument and bernie's closing argument, quite frankly, they never conceded, kate, that trayvon martin, indeed, was on the top. what they said to the jury is two people, two witnesses, saw george zimmerman on top. trayvon -- one witness, john good, saw george zimmerman -- thinks he saw george zimmerman on top. however, even if trayvon martin was on top, then, you know, perhaps he was trying to get away. so the prosecution certainly gave those jurors an alternate theory and prosecutors make that argument all the time. and so it shouldn't be seen as a concession. it should be seen as an alternate theory, an alternate possibility of what happened. and i just briefly want to get back to the other point that chris brought up in terms of,

you know, what this case is all about. the defense wants to make it about self-defense, wants to make it about what happened when they were confronted and doesn't want anyone on the jury to think about what started this emotion. but that is a very critical piece of the prosecution's case. had george zimmerman listened to the 911 dispatcher when he said, don't follow him, we don't need you to do that, we wouldn't all be here. we wouldn't be in sanford talking about this and the jury is going to notice this. >> we wouldn't be here in trayvon wasn't in orlando. how far back to you take it? but to speak to the question, i think that mark o'mara was jebtle on the prosecutors and the thing that's offended me throughout this case, especially at the end, is that i absolutely believe that the prosecutors knew that trayvon martin was on top. the forensics, john good, the maybe, everybody. there's no doubt as far as who was on top. and they conceded that point the day before the final arguments.

how? when they brought out those dummies. what did they do? they gave hypotheticals with what? trayvon martin atop of george zimmerman in a re-enactment. never once did they show the jury the reverse. their opening statement said trayvon martin was on the top. they said it with their first witnesses but yet they concede it at the end. that was wrong and they should be held accountable for that. >> impassioned. sunny, i like your impassive look while he's being impassioned defusing his passion. we'll leave you and come back but two things to keep in everybody's mind. this is the type of analysis that can go on in there. big questions for that jury. if george zimmerman was on the bottom the way mark suggests why did the screaming stop after the bullet is shot. >> and it goes to the question of who is the aggressor. >> appreciate the perspective very much. we'll get back to you. we're going to move on to other news big stories.

first up, nsa leaker edward snowden spoke out for the first time since he's been holed up in that russian airport. he said yesterday he does not regret leaking secret details about nsa surveillance programs. >> a little over one month ago i had a family, a home in paradise, and i lived in great comfort. i also had the capability without any warrant of law to search for, seize, and read your communications. anyone's communications at any time. >> snowden also accepted offers for asylum from countries like venezuela and bolivia, but he said he can't get anywhere because of threats from the u.s. so he is requesting temporary asylum in russia. elise is live in washington. what do you believe the white house response will be to this situation? russia was supposed to be helping them, said we can't help you if you're going to do anything bad about the u.s. and now this. >> that's right. the u.s. is furious for what they say russia giving mr.

snowden what they call a propaganda platform. heavy criticism yesterday from the white house and the state department and president obama got on the phone to call president putin. russia has said they were neutral, they couldn't help him in this transit area. officials are telling me by allowing him to have this press conference, to meet with human rights activists, they're almost in effect treating him as if he almost has asylum already. so what the u.s. is really urging, they hope russia still has a chance to do the right thing, send him back to the united states, but president putin is in a bit of a box now because he is not -- he's in a lose/lose situation. on one hand domestically he needs to show he's the strong man not bowing to the united states and caving to the pressure. at the same time he wants to preserve his relationship with president obama. the two leaders are supposed to have a summit in september. officials tell me that's on hold while this whole matter is resolved. so right now there's a little

bit of tension, not sure the u.s. is willing to destroy its entire relationship with russia, but they're really hoping that this u.s. pressure and this box they're putting mr. snowden in will convince russia they have no choice but to send him back. >> all right. thank you very much. we'll check in with you again this morning. appreciate it. other stories we're watching this morning. in san francisco, a third person has died from injuries suffered in the crash of asiana flight 214. the plane crash landed in san francisco last saturday. in keeping with the wishes of the family, doctors are not releasing the victim's name. only saying that she was a young female. rail stations across france observing a moment of silence to honor the victims of a fatal train crash there. six killed and 22 yearsed when a passenger train derailed. the death toll from the

train wreck in request quebec is rising. the engineer claims he set the brakes on the tanker cars before leaving for the night. a criminal investigation is now under way. in texas the state senate has passed the state's most restrictive abortion bill. to break this down, critics say it will shut down most abortion clinics in texas and restrict choice. proponents say that it gives more dignity to human life and increases the safety of those clinics. the bill originally failed before a filibuster. governor rick perry is expected to sign it into law today. we're closing in on hour six on the jury deliberations in sanford, florida. we're watching it closely and waiting for the jury to return a verdict in the george zimmerman trial. we're going to show you some of the key moments from closing arguments, the high drama from both sides as they wrapped up the case. >> you have to remember, the

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he is dead through no fault of his own. he is dead because another man made assumptions. he profiled him as a criminal. he assumed certain things, that trayvon martin was up to no good and that is what led to his death. why is he able to yell if the defendant claims the victim -- how is he going to talk? or is he lying about that? look at the gun. look at the size of this gun. how did the victim see that in the darkness? but you see what he is saying now? he's saying that -- how does he get the gun out? he profiled a 17-year-old boy that had skittles.

that's the crime he committed that evening. oh, he's skipping away, la, la, la. this innocent 17-year-old kid was profiled as a criminal. >> how many could have beens have you heard from the state in this case? how many what ifs? but that's cement. that is a sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home. and the suggestion by the state that that's not a weapon, that that can't hurt somebody, that that can't cause great bodily injury is disgusting. if i were to walk in today let's say and i just as an example

walked in like this, just walked in the courtroom as a lawyer. he would just have an impression. what in god's name is he doing with his sunglasses on? and what does he think he is? you may have an impression of george zimmerman. stand up for a second. you might have an impression of him because he's sitting at the defense table and that maybe as we talked about he's not just a citizen accused, but maybe he is a defendant, maybe he has something he has to defend. you look at these facts, you look at all this evidence, and you have to say, i have a reasonable doubt as to whether or not the state convinced me it didn't act in self-defense. that's all you have to do. you don't have to write innocent on the bottom of the verdict form.

>> if there was ever any doubt about what happened, really happened, was it not completely removed by what the defendant said afterwards? all of the lies he told, all of them. what does that tell you? there's only two people on this earth who know what really happened, and one of them can't testify, and the other lied. not about little things like his age or whether or not he went to the hospital, but about the things that really, truly matter. >> so you just got a little taste of both sides there. something very important just to isolate for you all with the prosecution. that george zimmerman is a liar, that's the point the prosecutor is making.

in the law we have a lot of latin. one of the phrases is falsus in uno. if you lie about one thing, you can reasonably assume you're lying about everything. here is the catch in this case. does that then mean you know what happened? even if you assume george zimmerman is a liar, did the prosecutor prove beyond a reasonable doubt what did happen? that's why this case is difficult for the jury. >> it's difficult for the jury. when you watch that, just to remind our viewers how this all played out, first we heard from the prosecution laying out their closing argument and then you heard from the defense and then the prosecution had their chance for about an hour of rebuttal. many people are saying that that rebuttal was pretty key for the prosecution to really button up their argument and make that final case to the jurors before they went into the deliberation room. let's talk a little bit more about this with two of our legal minds, joined by former prosecutor wendy murphy and criminal defense attorney ann bremner.

wendy, how critical do you think that opportunity the prosecution's rebuttal was to leave that lingering thought of what they want the jury to remember going into the jury deliberation room? >> it's strategically always an advantage for the prosecution to have the last word. juries remember the thing they heard first and the thing they heard last, particularly well. nevertheless, if you don't have anything to say, the jury won't have anything to remember and that's the problem for the prosecution in this case. you know, they were very dramatic. there was a lot of emotion, but, you know, if you don't have the facts, you're supposed to argue the law. this is the old saying in law. if you don't have the law, you argue the facts. if you don't have either, you pound the table. for me the prosecution's entire case and all of its closing argument, including the rebuttal, was all table pounding because there is no way they

disproved beyond a reasonable doubt that george zimmerman acted in self-defense and that's their burden of proof. >> let's get a response. what do you say? take the other side on that for me. obviously, we had the charges, we got through this. america is certainly divided on it. what's the other side to why the prosecution has a strong case? >> well, you know, in looking at this, i actually totally agree with wendy. i was going to say exactly what she just said -- >> you can't now, anne. too late. >> some debate. >> great minds think alike. the other side is he who has the burden of proof has the last word in a criminal case. did he a beautiful job, even i think one juror wiped a tear from her eye, when he talked about the fact who won this fight? there's one who is dead in the ground. we know who won this one.

>> false in one, false in all. how can we believe you, the only guy standing, the only one there who can tell us what happened. how can we believe you when you say you were defending yourself. >> proving -- i think -- proving that george zimmerman lied is not affirmative proof of anything. it may be very good evidence that zimmerman had self-interest in the case which goes without saying, but it's not affirmative proof of the crime and that's the problem. i think what the defense did so well was go through the nuts and bolts of the law, which strangely enough, because i prosecuted so many cases, that's usually what the prosecutor does. they say here is the law, here are the facts. it was almost the reverse with the defense laying out the law because they really have the law and the facts on their side and the prosecution i thought was trying to make a silk purse out

of a sow's ear and it just did not work. it struck me as a bit unethical. if you're the government, you're not supposed to try to win. you're supposed to do justice and that means representing both sides including the rights of the accused. i was as a prosecutor offended at how emotional the prosecution side was. the public may feel that way, but the prosecution is supposed to rise above intense sentiment and really just play it straight and they did not do that. >> all right. wendy, anne, stick around with us. we have a lot more to dig through. we did hear from the courthouse that coming up in about a half hour, the jurors are going to take a break from noon eastern to 1:00 eastern to eat lunch. there will be a pause in deliberations then and then, of course, they will get right back to it and we'll be watching it all very, very closely as we wait. verdict watch we are now on and we'll have more about that coming up. also coming up, we'll talk

about the investigation, flight 214. we'll shoal you how they piece together clues there. very important stuff. we're watching that as well. w y together clues there. very important stuff. we're watching that as well.

welcome back, everybody. we are watching the florida courtroom for any sign of a verdict in the george zimmerman trial. the jury is in its second day of deliberations, about six hours now. as soon as they reach a verdict, we will be alerted. they're saying it's about a one-our window so everybody can get together, it can be done the right way, it can be read, and they will then carry it for you

live. we promise you will not miss a thing. >> we're watching some other news this morning. a third person has died as a result of that asiana flight in san francisco's airport last week. she'd been only identified as a young girl who had been in critical condition since the accident happened. meanwhi meanwhile, all four runways at the airport are now clear but, of course, the investigation into what caused the crash continues. cnn's casey wian visited the warehouse in california where the accident investigators are trained to put the pieces of this puzzle back together. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: several korean aviation accident investigators now looking in the asiana crash got their training here according to the aviation safety program. inside an old sears warehouse where the twisted wreckage of plane crashes serves as a classroom. >> what you see around here is a safety system that has failed. >> reporter: instructors took me through part of the training.

what strikes you? >> what strikes me is there was a big fire and it doesn't look like anybody could have survived that. >> reporter: what do you see on that left wing? >> i see twisted metal. it looks like some sort of significant trauma happened to that wing, crashed into something, hit something. i don't know, a pole. >> we teach the discipline of accident investigation, namely to observe the fact, to document the fact, and then let the facts take you by the hand and lead you to the next fact and the discipline not to conclude, not to summarize, and not to think too far ahead but to stick with the facts. >> reporter: so how wrong am i? >> you're right. >> reporter: but minutes later i jumped to a faulty conclusion looking at different wreckage. it almost looks like a crumpled beer can. what we see is the power of a thunderstorm. >> reporter: so lightning hit this aircraft? >> there's no evidence of

lightning strike. this is simply evidence of an aircraft being torn apart by the severe turbulence that's contained in a thunderstorm. >> reporter: investigators in san francisco still are gathering information. there are clues. >> we're pretty sure we will look at how the airspeed decayed to a point where three fully qualified people on the flight deck didn't see it or saw it ant didn't warn the captain. in today's world with the way these airplanes are made, the weak link is always going to be human factors. >> reporter: one question these instructors are beginning to ask is have pilots become too reliant on automation. the ntsb is looking into the role an automated throttle may have played in the asiana crash. >> if we can teach one thing, it's never one thing. it's always a chain of interrelated causes. the reason it's safe is this, is that the lessons that we have learned through accident

investigation and through investigating the procedures, they're the ones that have changed this and they've made it such a safe form of trtion. >> reporter: casey wians, cnn, los angeles. >> casey, thanks so much for that. >> real painstaking look at how seriously they're taking it. we have an incredible sight for you. a wall of dust covering parts of the phoenix area has an interesting name. sounds like something kate calls me almost every morning, a haboob. >> alexandra steele, what does that mean? >> the word comes from the arabic word for wind, but what a haboob is is just a wall of sand, a wall of dirt coming at you. the biggest threat with the haboob which we see around phoenix three times a year is the limited visibility. visibilitied got so low yesterday, visibilities he were less than a quarter of a mile. we've seen an incredible amount of scents on highways and roadways. here is how a haboob forms.

you need dusty terrain. we have that in the southwest. you also need thunderstorms and with a thunderstorm within it, there's an updraft component. but there's also a downdraft component, and with the downdraft component, the winds press down and out, and when they do, they form a gust front, and that kicks up all the dirt. that's what creates that wall of sand which really you could barely see through at all. quite scary and ominous looking at it. today around phoenix no threat for thunderstorms. we won't see that until webs, but today the temperature there will be 107 degrees. so in the southwest that's actually average for phoenix. but where we're going to really see the temperatures jump dramatically will be the northeast. today 74 in boston, 81 in new york, 86 in washington. as we head toward tomorrow, we boost these numbers into the 90s and then by the time we get to wednesday, washington, d.c., will be 96. we'll be 94, 95 in new york city. temperatures really in the

northeast we've got an official heat wave on tap for the coming week. >> so appreciate the break while you can because it's 23409 gono to last long. any minute the jury in the george zimmerman trial to return with a verdict. that's why we're watching it as it's happening. the big question, did the defense leave any reasonable doubt? our legal experts weigh in. you know throughout history, folks have suffered from frequent heartburn. but getting heartburn and then treating day after day is a thing of the past. block the acid with prilosec otc, and don't get heartburn in the first place. [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

we are watching the trial on george zimmerman waiting for a verdict from the jury. but there's other news this morning as well. we want to get you caught up. first up, the state department is calling for the release of former egyptian president mohamed morsi calling his detention, quote, politically motivated. this as tens of thousands of morsi supporters gathered in cairo to protest his ouster. the remains of a man who claimed to be the boston strangler are being examined after new dna tests link the suspected serial killer to a 1964 murder. although albert di salvo conf s confessed to being the boston strangler he was never definitely linked and he was killed in prison even though he

was never formally charged in the crimes. opponents of same-sex marriage in california attempting to reverse the supreme court's decision to allow gay marriages there by filing a lawsuit, a ban on same-sex marriages known as proposition 8 which was struck down by the supreme court last month but now a group known as protectmarriage.com says the decision only applies to one marriage involved in the proposition 8 lawsuit, not the entire state. in britain they're waiting on word of the arrival of the royal baby. today is the due date for ca katherine, the duchess. the child, whether it's a boy or girl, will be third in line to the british throne after prince charles and his son william. it's a big deal there. waiting on a beb. their biggest concern, healthy baby. >> hope he or she is okay and then we can all get excited. the intense waiting game continues to sanford, florida, where jurors are decide whether

or not george zimmerman is guilty of murdering trayvon martin. martin savidge sat down with george zimmerman's attorney, mark o'mara, for a one-on-one inter. >> . >> do you think george zimmerman, your client, if he is acquitted, what kind of life will he have? >> not a good one. i think he has to live mostly in hiding. he has to protect himself from that periphery that still believe he's a racist murderer or acted in a bad way, and that you don't know who they are. you don't know if they're down the street or if you don't know if they're across the country. i think that he's probably concerned about living still in central florida and never having a normal life. >> his life will never be the same. >> never, ever. >> never like be able to go to work or have a regular job? >> i don't know how he gets a job where he is out in public without having the fear of somebody finding out where he works.

>> to be clear, we asked the state of florida and prosecutors if they would be available to speak with us this week. they declined saying they would speak after the verdict. we also reached out to trayvon martin's family for interviews and they are also waiting until after the verdict to speak. you can see the entire interview at 2:00 eastern. >> daryl parks told cnn that the family is glad the ordeal of the trial is nearly over. >> now we're at a point where they can see the end of the tunnel, and they're very prayerful and very hopeful to god that this is going to end in justice for trayvon. there's no happy ending for them either way, right? their son is not here. it's not like they are going to rejoice in george zimmerman going to jail. it's an unhappy situation for both sides. however, what it does mean

though is that tray's killer doesn't continue to walk free as if he did nothing wrong. >> all right. once again we're going to be bringing in wendy murphy and anne bremner. let's look at some of the legalities at play here. a big question is obviously going to be whether or not george zimmerman needed to do what he did that night to save his life. i mean, when you finally boil everything down, that's what the jury has to agree on, right? wendy, let's start with you. how do you see that question shaping up after everything we've heard? >> yeah. chris, i actually think you misstated the legal standard. that isn't what the jury will be focused on, at least not in terms of the exact language you used. >> so you give it to me. what is the question? >> the legal question is not did you have to kill. the question is did you have a right under florida law to use reasonable force -- to use lethal force, reasonable use of lethal force in the circumstances. and because stand your ground

law applies and is part of the definition of self-defense, tony thing george zimmerman had to believe about the circumstances was the pounding of his head against cement and the injuries he was suffering through the punching posed a risk he could suffer serious bodily injury. he didn't have to actually suffer serious bodily injury. he just has to reasonably fear that he will, and if that's the case, he can use looel yacht for -- lethal force. >> let's get it the right way though. so -- i'm sure yours is the right way. for people watches at home because a lot of people are asking about this. so say it for me again. what does the jury -- if the jury believe "x," what you're about to tell me, then george zimmerman is not guilty. give me that reasonable standard. >> did george zimmerman reasonably fear serious bodily injury?

if the answer is yes, he has a right under florida law to use lethal force in self-defense. and i don't think there's any doubt, just the objective forensic evidence shows that those injuries are the kind of injuries that would make a reasonable person fear serious bodily injury. therefore, you can shoot to kill. >> but, anne, jump in on this. i think one of the problems that goes along with that is that everyone kind of agrees that we still -- no one really knows what happened that night. >> right. >> only two people really know. there were not witnesses. so does that pose a problem then for really the prosecution in trying to make their case? >> well, sure, because they have to prove to a moral certainty that he didn't use self-defense. i agree with wendy on that. there's circumstantial evidence in the case. trayvon martin was shot through the heart and there's -- on the stand your ground, it doesn't

mean you can run after somebody and then stand your ground. it doesn't mean you can follow somebody and then stand your ground. it basically means stand your ground, if you're in a place off right to be and somebody threatens you. there's another part of the test for the jury. did you fear serious bodily harm or death? and did he? is there any evidence that he did? he shot a kid through the heart and his injuries were minor. so even using that test, they're minor. we heard it from a physician. he had minor injuries. they were not serious. >> but you don't have to suffer serious -- you don't have to suffer the cracked skull before you act. that's the whole point of self-defense. >> i agree. >> people think this law is controversial. let me tell you why it's a great law. i do a lot of work on behalf of rape victims and children. this law allows a woman being raped to kill in self-defense because it's kind of dopey to say to someone being raped you can only use that kind of force against your assailant as if a woman has a chance using physical force against a rapist.

we want people to be able to protect their bodies from serious bodily harm, not only face near death before acting. that's the point and it's a good law. >> yeah, but this case has captivated and divided the nation. i hope it doesn't do that with a jury. you don't kill somebody because you have not a broken nose, not a big wound on your head, just head wounds bleed. he killed somebody and he's saying racial epithets and he's racist and he's aggressive and he's -- >> everybody uses racial epithets. trayvon did. he called him a cracker jack or whatever that was. he did not use -- don't say that. >> let me stop you for a second. first of all, obviously, this is what this case does. it brings a lot of passion on both sides, especially two strong legal minds. >> and also shows the huge responsibility on the jury now

because they have heard both of these sides presented before them in a courtroom and these jurors -- these are not lawyers. these are regular citizens that are tasked with a huge job. >> but it is a regular person test. at the end of the day once properly stated as wendy helped me out -- thank you for that -- is exactly what these two are debating. the idea of was what george zimmerman was dealing with that night enough to justify what he did to trayvon martin. wendy says he doesn't have to think he had to die, it just has to be serious bodily injury. people are divided on it was just a fistfight. other people say he was banging his head on the concrete, he was going to kill him. there are six women who have to decide. >> a lot of it is degree. the whole thing of reasonable doubt. >> if there is doubt, they have to acquit. if they don't know beyond a reasonable doubt, if they have reasonable doubt that they're

not sure about whether or not it made sense, even if they think it was against george zimmerman, not not sure that he was right, i don't agree with what he did, even that is enough to acquit. >> that's why you saw mark o'mara with the chart. >> it gets very tricky. we'll come back to you. thank you very much, wendy, thank you for helping me out and thank you for the discussion. we'll be back to you. we're going to take a break right now. ten minutes before noon in the east. that's when we're told the jury will take a break for lunch, for an hour and then we'll continue their deliberations and our coverage will be here as well. stay with us. >> be right back. ting a lot more people but a friend under water is something completely different. i met a turtle friend today. avo: whatever you're looking for, expedia has more ways to help you find yours. "that starts with one of the world's most advancedy," distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers,"

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welcome everybody. it is 12:00 noon in the east. this is our special continuing coverage of the george zimmerman trial. i'm chris cuomo. >> i'm kate bolduan. these are the stories we're covering today. day two in verdict watch, the murder trial of george zimmerman. the jury right now is taking a planned lunch for an hour. so from noon to 1:00 eastern, that's what they'll be doing. we're still live in sanford monitoring everything as it happens. other news we're following, a man without a country. nsa leaker edward snowden is

making his plea for asylum from the moscow airport. also, we're learning this morning that another person has died in the crash of flight 214 just as the final pieces of debris are being cleared away from the runway we got that news. let's shift back to our emphasis. sanford, florida, jurors in the murder trial taking a break. it's lunchtime for them. that's scheduled. it's very important that the jury gets rest and so they can focus on deliberations. they've been going for over six hours now in this, their second day. what are their options? take a look on your screen. george zimmerman could be found not guilty of anything, he could be found guilty of second degree murder or convicted on a lesser charge of manslaughter. if the jury can't reach a unanimous decision, you have a hung jury, mistrial is declared. will there be a retrial? that's up to prosecutors.

it comes later. that's what we know for now. >> those are the options right now. geor george is outside the courthouse for us. they're taking a brunn lunch break as chris just said. they're faced with a heavy task. the only thing we've heard is them asking for a list of exhibits presented in court, some 200 items. everyone is wondering what that means. most people we've been talking to says that's pretty much regular course and shows this jury is going to be methodical. what are you hearing this morning? >> that makes perfect sense, to get a list, an inventory of all the evidence, more than 100 i would imagine, more than 100 items of evidence that they'll have to look through to get the inventory and take the time to go point by point as they make their decision. we know when they came into the courtroom this morning, kate, they looked straight ahead. they didn't look at george zimmerman or his defense team, did not look at prosecutors,

looked straight ahead, talked to the judge and then went back into the room where they continued deliberations. let's take a second to break down what the charges mean. we talked about second degree murder and manslaughter. the jury does not know presumably what that means as far as time behind bars. here is what we understand it means. as far as second degree murder, could be a minimum of 25 years in prison. that's a gun enhancement here in florida, a minimum of 25 years and then up to life in prison. that is, of course, at the discretion of the judge. when you talk about manslaughter, here in the state of florida it's a minimum of ten years, up to 30 years behind bars. they call it a lesser charge, but when you look at the time you could serve behind bars, certainly it is significant, and there's also the option, the possibility that george zimmerman could be found not guilty. so we're waiting here on verdict watch to see exactly what this jury decides. >> george, it gets complicated,

also, because when you're looking at the ranges, you have from a minimum to maximum. you have aggravating factors of trayvon martin is considered to be a minor by the judge, the use of a firearm. there are ranges. important to note, george, and you've said this all along, the jury does not know the sentences. it should not be a part of the corruption of their decision. the judge, judge nelson will sit a month or two afterwards if there's a guilty verdict and decide the sentence. so it could be serious no matter which charge there's a guilty on the that's what happens. but the jury, just to be clear, doesn't know that. a little more developing information here that we'll get your take on in just a second. we got new information today that the i.t. director, information and technology director for the state's attorneys office has been fired. his name is ben cry boss. this is the man who testified that the state attorney's office withheld evidence from the defense in his opinion. he testified about images and deleted text messages on trayvon

martin's cell phone. if you've been following this, you may remember that the defense was very upset about this. the prosecution was very strong saying that is just not true, there was never any information i had that i didn't give you. now we find out the i.t. director has been fired. the termination letter said he violated numerous policies and procedures of the state attorney's office. very important, george. we bring you back in on this. there's no mention that he's been fired for what he said about the george zimmerman trial. that is the letter. what is your information on this, george? >> reporter: he was put on paid administrative leave back on may 28. given the termination to our facts, our information, the day the jury started deliberating. again, he got his own attorney. in this situation he wanted to make sure that all the information from the state was shared with the defense. and he was worried that he could

be somehow liable for not getting that information over. he got his own attorney. that became an issue, one of the discovery violations. even the defense team, when they found out he got an attorney, when they found out there was a possible discovery violation, they raised this argument before the judge. the judge decided this issue will be handled post verdict. so after the verdict is reached. but again a possible discovery violation on the state that the defense has really been squawking about throughout this trial. >> all right, george. stand by for us. we'll get back to you in a little while. i want to bring in our legal analyst sunny hostin and mark gee name. i want to start by asking about this latest development. everyone has to think back in their memory to when this happened before the trial. what do you make of this development, of this cried boss? >> it's not going to have any impact. it's not going to have impact on

the verdict. let's say that right out. it will be an issue on appeal if the defendant is convicted. that is because there is a motion for sanctions pending. the defense is alleging discovery violations, and the bottom line is they wanted to put in the information that was found on trayvon martin's phone. they wanted to put in the pictures and the text messages. now, the judge didn't allow them to put it in because she said it couldn't be aulth into kated. she said we don't even know if they're from trayvon martin's phone or if he sent them. the defense is going to argue, had we had the information earlier, had the state given us that information, we would have had time for our investigators to dig deeply into this and we could have authenticated it and we would have been able to put it into evidence in front of this jury. it may have changed the outcome of the trial. that's a significant appellate issue. it is a significant appellate

issue. that's why this issue is so important. >> all right. so it's out there. we have the latest reporting on it. sunny, thank you for the tape. let me move on to something else we just learned. we've been told, mark knee james, we've been told the jury was eating from noon to 1:00. we're know now told they want to work and eat at the same time. sounds like a meaningless distinction but it really isn't, especially when you understand the psychology of juries. marc you've done this a long time. what does that tell you? >> consistent with what we've seen throughout, with them taking notes feverishly and wanting to work through breaks. i think this is a hard working jury. i think we're seeing justice at work. it's been said many times and it's correct, justice is the process, not the outcome. this is a hard working jury who is not rushing a verdict.

a lot of people thought they might want to get home on friday. one lady has eight children. but they're doing what they believe is the right thing. you can only give them credit. i think that does suggest they're arguably moving in a direction because if, in fact, they were deadlocked at this point and we don't know, then they might want to take a break and come back. if they're moving forward, then they want to keep moving in that direction. >> that's actually an excellent point, marc. you make excellent points. that's not just the only one you ever made. i didn't want to imply that. >> well, thank you. >> this brings us to a lot of questions that people have. not a lot of people get a chance to watch an opportunity like we have in this case from beginning to end. so much information coming at these jurors for hours on hours on end. 200 exhibits to consider, so many witnesses, so many conflicting stories. do you in your view as you watched the trial and watched the jurors watching this play

out, do you see any one witness, any one piece of evidence that you think has really stuck with them? what do you think is the big impression that you thought might be a light bulb moment for those jurors. >> it wasn't that kind of trial. it wasn't the trial with the smoking gun. it was clear to me they took in all the evidence, they were taking notes. this wasn't a who done it case? when you do, you see when watching a jury when finally there's a witness that says "i saw him shoot," that's when they have the light bulb moment and they start writing notes. it wasn't that kind of case. we knew who shot. we know who was killed. the only question is was the shooting justifiable. and so i think in putting that puzzle together, they're looking at all the pieces. they're not looking at one big closer, one big piece. it wasn't that kind of trial, kate. >> that's an excellent point. marc, sunny, stand by. reading in "the washington post"

just what sunny was saying, they described it as the jury is presented with a mosaic of facts that they need to piece together. there's not one kind of plate before them of real hard and true facts for them to consider. i think that really shows what she's saying. the tough job ahead of this jury. >> a very human process. i don't know how many of you have served on a criminal jury. i actually have. i was shocked. i was sitting there and you're always worried about how long it will take. yes, i'm an attorney, a legal reporter, a journalist. they still put me on the jury. when you get back in the roochl and you see how seriously people take it. this was a drug buy and bust case that i was on. imagine here where you have two lives on the line. trayvon martin is gone. they don't know the penalties but they know if there's a conviction in this case, george zimmerman is in all likelihood going to be in jail for a long time. >> they understand. >> they take it very seriously. this is always the case,

afterwards when the jury speaks, if they do. then in hindsight you'd be like, i knew that was matter. we have a lot of indication, working through lunch, not all jurors do that. >> we'll watch it closely. first i want to move on to some other stories we're watching. now to texas where the state senate approved one of the strictest anti-abortion members in the country. the bill bans ob borgss after 20 weeks and requires clinics that perform the procedures to meet the same standards as surgical centers. some would say -- the critics of this measure say that's going to force most of these clinics to close. supporters of the bill say it's all about safety and making this as safe a process as possible for anyone. but a version of the bill, as we said, died last month after an 11-hour filibuster by this woman, senator wendy davis. republican governor rick perry is a strong supporter of the measure and is expected to sign it into law. other stories in san

francisco, a third person died from injuries suffered in the crash of ice anna flight 214. the plane crash landed last saturday. in keeping with the wishes of the family. doctors are not releasing the victim's name, only saying she was a young female. >> we'll take a break. about 14 minutes past the hour. the jury working through lunch in the george zimmerman case. you're looking at one of the stories right now, man without a country, edward snowden reportedly seeking temporary political asylum in russia. the question, will it work? she's still the one for you -

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all right. live shot, sanford, florida. that's the courthouse. that's where the jury is deliberating what the fate should be for george zimmerman. we know they're working through their lunch. they're taking their job very seriously as they iron out a verdict. we're monitoring it throughout the hour. when there is a verdict, if there is a verdict, we'll be

given about a one-hour window. we'll be here the entire time looking for it all day today, special coverage of that. so we'll be with you. also monitoring other news this morning. first nsa leaker edward snowden spoke out for the first time since he's been hold up in the russian airport. he said yesterday he doesn't regret leaking secret details about nsa surveillance programs. >> a little over one month ago i had a family, a home in paradise, and i lived in great comfort. i also had the capability without any warrant of law to search for, to seize and read your communications. anyone's communications at any time. >> snowden also accepted offers for asylum from countries like venezuela and bolivia. he said he can't get anywhere because of threats from the u.s. he is requesting temporary asylum in russia. let's bring in alleys lav vitt in washington. this has been a point of convention from the beginning,

questions about america's mojo, and it seemed hong kong and then russia was ignoring u.s. intentions here. what do we know about this latest offer of temporary asylum? >> chris, the obama administration is furious to say the least that snow den's latest appearance in russia. white house and the state department slamming the government forgiving edward snowden what they called a propaganda platform when he's considered a criminal in the u.s. russia said it was new tral, couldn't do anything while he was in this transit area of the airport. but by facilitating this meeting with human rights activists, officials say moscow is treating him as if he has asylum. and now publicly saying he won't leak anymore information about the united states, officials are concerned that snowden has accepted the conditions russia laid out to consider his asylum and now this could move along. president putin in a box. on one hand he has a lot of domestic political concerns, needs to show he's strong and not caving to the u.s., but also

wants to preserve relationship with president obama. the two are supposed to have a summit in september. i'm told that's on hold while this is being resolved. >> all right, thank you very much, elise. we're all trying to figure out where mr. snowden is going to wind up? will the u.s. be able to seek justice? now to france where rail stations across the country observed a moment of silence to honor the victims of a fatal train crash. at least six people were killed and 22 injured when a passenger train derailed south of paris yesterday. the head of the railway says a mechanical failure caused the crash. to the train wreck in quebec, the death toll there is rising. officials say 28 people are now confirmed dead and about 30 more are still missing this morning. the runaway train carrying crude oil exploded last saturday near the border. the engineer claims he set the

brakes on the cars before leaving for the night. but railway company ceo is questioning that and a criminal investigation is under way. it is about -- a lot of news to cover. the big story for us. george zimmerman trial. on verdict watch. it's about 20 minutes past noon here in the east. the jury, eating lunch but also still deliberating. we'll be going through what got us to this point. remember, the burden of proof is on the state. a big question is whether or not they left room for reasonable doubt. our legal experts will way in. please stay with us. ♪ [ male announcer ] the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the 2013 ram 1500 with best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. the new ram 1500. motor trend's 2013 truck of the year.

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giving you a live look once again at the courthouse in sanford, florida. the jury has been working today since 9:00 eastern this morning. we will continue to watch and wait for the jury's decision right here live on cnn. we're never getting too far away from it. that's right. you're kate bolduan. i'm chris cuomo. you seem vaguely familiar. >> i see you more than my husband. >> we've all been watching the zimmerman trial very carefully for a lot of reasons. to bring you up to date, thursday and friday is when the closing arguments were. both lawyers talked for hours, delivering their arguments to the jury. let's show you the high points right now in case you missed it. >> a teenager is dead. he is dead through no fault of

his own. he is dead because another man made assumptions. he profiled him as a criminal. he assumed certain things. that trayvon martin was up to no good, and that is what led to his death. >> why is he able to yell if the defendant claims the victim was -- i'm going to talk or is he lying about that. look at the gun. look at the size of this gun. how did the victim see that in the darkness? do you see what he is saying now? he's saying that armpits -- how does he get the gun out? he profiled a 17-year-old boy that had skittles. that's the crime he committed that evening. oh, he's skipping away, la, la,

la. this innocent 17-year-old kid was profiled as a criminal. >> how many could-have-beens have you heard from the state in this case? how many what-ifs? that's cement. that is a sidewalk, and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home. and the suggestion by the state that that's not a weapon, that that can't hurt somebody, that that can't cause great bodily injury is disgusting. if i were to walk in today, let's say, and i just as an example walked in like this,

walked into the courtroom as a lawyer, you would have an impression. what in god's name is he doing with his sunglasses on? who does he think he is? you may have an impression of george zimmerman. stand up, please. you may have an impression of him because he's sitting at the defense table and maybe, as we talked about, he's not just a citizen in the community, but he is a defendant. maybe he has something he has to defend. you look at these facts. you look at all this evidence and you have to say i have a reasonable doubt as to whether or not the state can convince me he didn't act in self-defense. that's all you have to do. you don't have to write innocent on the bottom of the verdict form. >> if there was ever any doubt about what happened, really

happened, was it not completely removed by what the defendant said afterwards? all of the lies he told, all of them, what does that tell you? there's only two people on this earth who know what really happened, and one of them can't testify, and the other one lied, not about little things like his age or whether or not he went to the hospital, but about the things that really truly matter. >> now let's talk about what truly matters to our legal experts here. avery friedman, civil rights attorney and law professor in cleveland. richard herman, a new york criminal defense attorney and law professor. joining us from vegan -- we got cleveland and vegas. thank you very much. we appreciate it. let's start with the last

excerpt we heard from the prosecutor. if you have any doubt, wasn't it's raced by what george zimmerman said afterwards, all the lies. let me ask you, richard herman, is that enough to convict somebody, that you say someone is a liar? >> no, that's not enough. they have a burden of proof. the prosecution has a burden to prove beyond and to the exclusion of any reasonable doubt that george zimmerman did not have the right to self-defense, and i must tell you both, kate and chris, they have utterly completely failed in this obligation. i am shocked that it's taken the jury this long. i am shocked the judge did not dismiss murder two as a matter of law or at least reserve on it. the summations by the government were just emotional pleas to this jury as opposed to o'mara's which surgically showed them the law and the evidence and left them with no alternative. it must be not guilty. >> richard, i know avery is

shaking his head and wants to jump in. avery jump in. were you as shocked as well? >> well, there were a number of reasons why i think any objective observer was shocked about this. there was no basis for dismissal at the end of the prosecution case. you know what? the jury has been deliberating now about seven hours which tells us that with 200 exhibits, 200 exhibits and the extraordinary testimony in here that the prosecution has a chance. now, having said that, i actually have to agree with richard that i don't think that the prosecution did the critical thing, and that was to disprove self-defense. it's going to work where there is murder two. it's also going to work on the lesser included charge of manslaughter. so either way, if they couldn't prove self-defense or couldn't get rid of it, essentially, there should be an acquittal. >> important thing to note here for people watching at home.

the prosecution, as we all know, has this burden of beyond a reasonable doubt. on this self-defense thing, many of you online keep asking as if george zimmerman's defense counsel has to prove that. they don't. that's what you're hearing from avery. the prosecution also has the burden of proof with self-defense. avery, you mentioned manslaughter. many people say here and kate and i have been hearing it all morning, that seems like -- that's foreseeable, that's likely, maybe the jury could find manslaughter. let's talk about the instruction to the jury for manslaughter. it's different than the law on the books in florida. tell me what the instruction is, why it's different and how that matters. avery, let's start with you on that and then we'll go to you, mr. herman. >> well, it's an extraordinarily confusing issue because it's essentially reckless homicide. essentially it is culpable negligence. you know, if you're a jury, how do you know what culpable negligence is? you have to have a definition of

that. i think what happens honestly, chris, is in a case like this, if the jury is not going to be able to get to murder two, they're going to be looking at manslaughter as a way to make the defendant responsible. i think that's troubling. i think the defense should have objected to it even though that is the practice in florida, and i think if there's a conviction on manslaughter, take this to the bank, this case is headed to the court of appeals. >> richard, i want you to jump in on this point, continuing on manslaughter. when manslaughter was added in to this towards the end, some people were thinking that indicates -- seems like that might be a better route, a better avenue for the prosecution to go to kind of target. it's an easier burden, an easier threshold to meet. as you're listening to closing arguments by the prosecution, it sounds like they were still targeting and aiming for second degree murder. what do you think? >> yeah. the for the top charge.

manslaughter, as of law in florida, they have to charge this. if the prosecution wants it, they charge it. no defense to that. don't think for a moment, though, if this case gets appealed to the 11th circuit, if you want to look at the success rate on defense appeals of the 11th circuit. you need a microscope because it's minute. if zimmerman gets convicted of manslaughter which is a second degree felony, he's aggravated by the use of a gun and the fact that trayvon martin was a minor at 17. he could be looking at 30 years in prison on a manslaughter conviction. it's not there. nobody knows what's going on right now. i'm just speculating, but i think in my mind -- >> we have to. we don't know. >> the fact that they're working through lunch, i think they're close. probably have four undecided, maybe two outstanding who want to look at all the evidence. you could see a hung jury on manslaughter but an acquittal on the murder two. >> also interesting dynamic here. hung jury we hear about.

when you're a solo holdout -- >> this has been my question. >> one out of six, you might be more emboldened. that's psychology for later. i will tell you this, though, that we know -- avery was talking about culpable negligence which is typical lawyer odd language. it's also not in the instruction from the judge. she took it out. all that's in the rule book for the jury to go on, if you did something intentionally and it led to the death of trayvon martin, you could be guilty of manslaughter. why you did it being taken out, may simplify it for the jury. we'll bring you back in about 20 minutes to talk about what may be the main factors as we go on. i appreciate you being here. thanks so much. we're not getting far away from it, that's for sure. george zimmerman's attorney sat down with cnn for a one-on-one

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saving time by booking an appointment online, even smarter. online scheduling. available now at meineke.com. george zimmerman, back in florida this morning, waiting to hear the verdict in his trial. the jury has been deliberating for more than seven hours. right now they're having lunch, but working through it. important to note. the judge said they can keep

talking about the case if they want. they're taking that opportunity. we're watching everything coming out of that courtroom. we'll bring you updates as we get them we promise. there's also other news this morning. the u.s. state department calling for release of former egyptian president mohamed morsi, calling his detention politically motivated. this comes as thousands of morsi supporters gathered to protest his ouster. some of the men who claim former penn state assistant football coach jerry sandusky abused them could soon get money from the school. the dollar amount is being kept confidential. sandusky was sentenced to more than 30 years in prison for sexually abusing ten boys over a 15-year period. a tense waiting game in sanford, florida, continues. that's where jurors are into their seventh hour of deliberations as to whether or not george zimmerman is guilty of murdering trayvon martin. they're even working through

lunch as we've mentioned. cnn's martin savidge sat down with defense attorney mark o'mara for a one-on-one interview. he says this case has been highly political in his view. >> how much of this was politics? >> it's guesswork on my behalf. but if i enter into this formula, an element or ingredient of politics, a lot more makes sense, a lot more about the way the case was handled early on, the way it was turned into a racial event when seemingly and now positively it wasn't, when a special prosecutor is brought in when there doesn't seem to be any reason why norm wolf finginger had perfect opportunity to sit on this case. i deposed three assistants who

were busting their butts on this case. when a special prosecutor comes in and waves the grand jury and then files charges that most good legal analystion including alan dershowitz say that's an abomination. you have to wonder if there's not some outside influencing, pressuring decisions. >> it's an incredible indictment of the state of florida to say that justice became secondary to what may have been politics. >> justice is going to come with the acquittal. but it certainly seems to have been pressured and tamped down by inside influences. would like to have a crystal ball to know who started it and who is truly responsible for it. i certainly can feel the pressures myself. >> would you have believed that before this trial? >> in a grisham novel, yes. in real life -- and i'm not

pollyanna-ish. i've done it way too long for that. i'm surprised that in 2012 we're at the point where that could possibly happen. we have asked the state of florida and prosecutors if they would be available to speak with us this week. they declined and said they'll be speaking after the verdict and they'll be speaking to cnn. we reached out to the martin family for interviews. but they're also waiting until they receive a verdict. you can see martin savidge's entire interview with mark o'mara at 2:00 on cnn. an attorney for trayvon martin's family is speaking out. daryl parks told our george howell the martin family is hoping and praying for justice. >> there's no happy ending for them either way. their son is not here. it's not like they're going to rejoice and george zimmerman is going to jail. it's an unhappy situation on

both sides. however, what it does mean, though, is tray's killer doesn't continue to walk freely as if he did nothing wrong. >> at the end of the day there's a lot of unknown in this. the jury of six is dealing with it. what is known, trayvon martin was gone. he was not in the commission of a crime that night. that's why there has to be sympathy for his family. we know everybody has a lot of passion in this and it being televised and getting so much coverage has stoked a lot of that. this family lost their child. >> that's the important thing we do need to return to, even though a lot of the focus has been on george zimmerman. but we also do need to remember there are two people and two families that are irreparably changed by this. >> trayvon martin was the victim. the crime that was against the state, that's why prosecutors take up this cause. it winds up leading us to the point we got today, after 14 days of arguments and testimony,

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it's about 45 minutes past noon now. jurors in the george zimmerman trial are eating and discussing their way through lunch. they've been deliberating for over seven hours over the past two days. we, just like you, are waiting for their verdict. we'll be following their story throughout the hour as long as we can and monitoring other major headlines as well. there we are, live in sanford, florida. we're happy to have you joining us. i'm chris cuomo. >> i'm kate bolduan. we are watching and waiting for the verdict. while we do that, we're looking at both sides of the closing arguments, both sides of the case they laid out. our legal experts are joining us once again. avery friedman in cleveland and richard herman in las vegas. >> what we left with was the defense counsel hold ag large piece of cement.

avery, please explain why this was important to the defense going into what's in the jury instructions about the use of a weapon and what that means of the reasonableness of thinking you're in serious bodily injury. >> self-defense, self-defense, self-defense. remember at the beginning we heard an opening statement by the prosecution that we were going to see all sorts of things, including trayvon martin on top. well, that went up in smoke. it never went anywhere. but when in closing argument, when we saw the way the defense showed the jury, look, this is what this means, looks at this concrete. it's ground and pound. and on top of that, what else should we see when it came to that? self-defense, self-defense, self-defense. once you show that, the prosecution can't disprove it, you're looking at acquittal. >> richard, before you jump in, why don't we actually listen to that bit of the closing argument from mark o'mara. it's one of the highlight

moments that stuck with people and you can imagine also stuck with the jury. do we have that clip? let's go to that. >> that's cement. that is a sidewalk, and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home. that was somebody who used the availability of dangerous items from his fist to the concrete to cause great bodily injury -- not that it was necessary for self-defense, but great bodily injury against george zimmerman. and the suggestion by the state that that's not a weapon, that that can't hurt somebody, that that can't cause great bodily injury is disgusting. >> is disgusting, mark o'mara says. richard, what do you think that impact had on the jury?

>> i think it's disgusting. i think it had a tremendous impact on the jury. kate, they're trying to show he was a young boy walking, armed with only skittles. i'd like to know how many young men age 17 the state tries as adults. but in any event, that was pretty demonstrative. look at the evidence, the credible evidence that came in. he was punched in the face, his nose may have been broken, blood was certainly going down his throat. his head was being banged into the ground there partially on the cement, at least two, maybe three times. maybe more. john good, the neighbor saw the punches to the head. he had no dark in this fight. it was dark. it was raining. did george zimmerman in his mind reasonably fear imminent death or severe injury? was it reasonable for him to believe that? the answer has to be self-defense. out can't wash off the blood and

say look what actually happened to him. you can't do that. >> all right. hold on a second. i'll say yes, you can. you guys are too much on the same side. there's another side of this case. >> it's rare. >> it's too rare. i have to defeat it. let's just offer up what's the other side that could be going on in this room. do we know that this piece of cement was used as a weapon? do you believe -- the jury has been presented with evidence that beyond a reasonable doubt shows zimmerman's head was barbed against concrete when there was a lot of discussion about them winding up on grass. do they know beyond a reasonable doubt that those injuries were caused by that? or is there just u just as good a chance that they're back there thinking sure, he got hurt. this kid had some advantage in the fight, but it wasn't serious bodily injury, it was fist fight injury. it wasn't something that would trigger his ability to reasonably use a weapon against a kid that was unarmed. what do you think of that? what's the other side?

>> the problem is that we are in closing argument. the judge told the jury, listen, this is not evidence. and i think you're right, chris. i think that's exactly right. but the problem is that there is so much ambiguity in the prosecutor's case that it's reasonable for the defense to say, look, you think the banged up head, the broken nose just happened? it happened on the concrete. that wasn't the concrete from the sidewalk. of course not. but the point was during the argument it was persuasive. the jury paid attention and that's going to factor in to their decision making. the right thing to do in defending a case like this. >> chris, you have too much prosecution in your blood there. please give my best to your brother and especially your dad. >> don't try to curry favor with me, herman. >> that's cakiss-up. >> the unrebutted evidence is

that the head hit the concrete two or three times. that's unrebotted. chris, you said there are so many what-ifs and so many things that are not connected here. that's reasonable doubt. that's why there must be an acquittal in this case. it can't go any other way. there must be an acquittal. >> they've been at it for a long time already. i'm talking about the jury, not these two trying to curry favor with me. remember, the burden is on the prosecution. if they believe that it is not reasonable that george zimmerman should not have thought there was going to be serious bodily injury, then they could convict him in this case. that's why i had to leave it that way. >> that's right. that's exactly right. >> thank you very much, avery. not so much thanks to you, richard. thank you very much for the analysis and insight. we appreciate it. >> thanks to you both. we're also watching other news this morning, the investigation in the crash of asiana flight 214. that investigation continues as a third victim of the accident dies in a bay area hospital.

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welcome back everybody. just before 1 sclok in the east. you are looking at the place that is the point of focus for so many this morning, the courthouse in sanford, florida, where the jury should be wrapping up their lunch, continuing deliberation into george zimmerman's charge ms. the trayvon martin murder case we'll bring you the verdict live as soon as there is one. updates as we get them. now to san francisco where a third pin has died in the crash of asiana flight 214. that investigation continues. for more on all this, let's go to san francisco where stephanie eel l elam has the story. i want to talk about where the investigation stands and operations at the airport. this victim, the third person to die. i know there are not a lot of details being released about this young girl.

but what do we know? >> reporter: right, kate. we do know it was a minor. she was a female and died at san francisco general hospital where she's been in critical condition since a week ago today when the accident happened. her parents have asked that her parents not be released. we do know she was under the age of 18. not very much information there. we can also tell you that they have confirmed that there is another girl, one of the first original two girls that we know died the day of the crash, one was hit by a fire truck in response to the fire. they were dousing the plane with foam and in the floem they covered her. not clear whether she died from those injuries or from the crash. >> the medical examiner has been looking into that to try to determine what was the cause of her death. stephanie, let's talk about the latest where the investigation. there are updates at san francisco airport this morning. >> reporter: yes, that's true, kate. they're saying it could take them upwards of a year, but this

is obviously their priority, to find out exactly what happened here. ntsb officials have left here, they've gone back to d.c. they're still investigating. one thing i can tell you. i flew into san francisco airport yesterday. i purposely sat on the left-hand side of the plane so i could get a bird's eye view of the runway. they were fixing it up extremely fast. it was repaved. they put new lights up. the faa test flew a couple of planes and it is open again. they worked very hard, very fast to get that open again, also repairing part of the seawall. i grew up in this area. when you land in san francisco, it looks like you're going to land in the bay. when they hit the seawall, there was minor damage. they repaired that as well. getting this airport back up and running again. i just checked the boards, there's still a flight 214 on asiana airlines landing at around 11:15 a.m. coming in from seoul. they haven't retired the number at this point. >> wow. stephanie elam following it from san francisco for us. thank you so much. right now in sanford,

florida, we're watching the situation, six jurors, all women, going over the evidence. they asked for lays of some 200 exhibits, going at it for over seven hours. when they come back in, this is where they'll sit and they'll be delivering the fate of this man, george zimmerman. guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. cnn's special live coverage continues after a break. "and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country." "when you see our low prices, remember the wheels turning behind the scenes, delivering for millions of americans, everyday. "dedication: that's the real walmart"

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courthouse in sanford, florida. we're covering that closely. you are watching cnn's special coverage of the george zimmerman trial. i am chris cuomo. good morning to you. >> hey everybody. i'm kate bolduan. thanks for joining us. a lot to get to. >> day two of what we're calling verdict watch in the george zimmerman trial. the jury working through lunch showing how determined they are. we'll be live from sanford with any updates. the judge in the case, debra nelson, certainly no nonsense on the stand. we'll talk to another well-known judge to get her take on it, someone you know very well. another story we're watching closely, nsa leaker edward snowden is still in the moscow airport reportedly applying for political asylum in russia. will he be allowed to stay? that has serious implications. first here as we show you george zimmerman, the jurors are showing their intention to spend every second they can working