optimism, his integrity, his clarity, and his love for his family. he was the real deal. >> all right, everyone, it's the top of the hour, welcome back to cnn's continuing coverage of the george zimmerman verdict, that the the courthouse, you see the fifth floor, all lighted up now and that's where the verdict was handed down for george zimmerman, it's midnight eastern time and i have breaking news for you, in case you missed it, a short time ago, this happened inside the courtroom where george zimmerman was standing trial on murder charges. in the circuit court of the 18th educational circuit, in and for

the seminole county florida. verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. so say we all. >> two words, not guilty and george zimmerman was told he could go home, he was a free man and all charges against him were dismissed. the jury of six women deliberated for more than 16 hours, they could have found him guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter. they chose to find him not guilty. it is the caper of a case that has inflamed racial passions across the country and polarized opinion on race and profiling since the killing of 17-year-old trayvon martin in february of last year. george zimmerman found not guilty in florida. i want you to listen to judge debra nelson speak to george zimmerman after learning he was cleared of all the charges. >> your bond will be released and your gps monitor will be cut

off, when you exit the courtroom over here and you have no further business with the court. >> you have no further business with the court. and with those words, george zimmerman shook hands with his legal team calmly puts papers away and made his way out of the courtroom and outside the courthouse, reaction was quick, and for a while, it was quite loud. there were demonstrators outside the courthouse chanting justice for trayvon, there was moments outside the courthouse. there are protesters demonstrators outside the courthouse, our david mattingly was out there right after the verdict was read, speaking with people, there were george zimmerman supporters out there as well. justice for trayvon, talking about the 17-year-old who was shot to death, by george zimmerman last february, the jury saturday night, finding

george zimmerman of course not guilty. i want you to listen now to attorney don west speaking after the verdict was read. >> i think the prosecution of george zimmerman's case was disgraceful. i am gratified by the jury's verdict, as happy as i am for george zimmerman, i'm thrilled that this jury kept this tragedy from becoming a travesty. for that we are eternally grateful. but it makes me sad too that it took this long under these circumstances to finally get justice. martin savage is here, martin is our man inside the courtroom. you covered the entire trial from inside the courtroom. let's talk more about what don west said, he called the

prosecution disrespectful. >> it's quite clear and i don't think it's been a secret here that the defense has been very angry. especially don rest at tyimes with how things progressed. mark o'mara has expressed that there were tactics from the prosecution that was not above board, some of the discovery and evidence they should have had. they were frustrated with judge nelson, you saw the tension inside the courtroom, the night she walked out. that almost -- you rarely see that kind of verbal confrontation that was happening. the judge at one point said you are overruled and it was almost like a judicial, you know, wham, you know, that sis it, buddy. >> and once with mark pais o'mara, she said every time the court has ruled, you come back and i have given you the rules of the court. >> it seemed that you could see the defense was pushing it and -- >> was that on purpose? >> well, they were frustrated. they were angry.

and the judge -- this trial moved along quickly. i have to say, they kept it, we are six, what are we? a year and a half, the judge did a good job of keeping everyone on time. the defense clearly always their tactic was delay, delay, delay, and right up to the beginning of the trial, they wanted a delay, and the judge said, no, this is time to adjudicate the case and that is what they did. >> let's talk more about don west and the knock-knock moment. >> yeah, i mean, don west, even tonight, hard to imagine, he is still trying to say that was a funny joke. >> do we have that, where he stands by his joke? can we talk about that and then martin and i will talk about it? okay, they will work on it. they will work on it. >> it was not funny, there was never a time it was funny. and i think what he was trying to say was the passion that john guy delivered that he was trying to diffuse some of that and

somehow the joke was going to do it. i don't think there's anybody that would say, don you are right, it did not work and it would never work. it was never going to be considered funny. >> i'm paraphrasing, he said that he needed it to break the ice, or break the tension or -- >> break the -- i think he is saying break the spell that john guy captured the offensive, john guy delivered a powerful, concise and passionate opening on the part of the prosecution. don west is a very different kind of lawyer. and he wanted to come out and did come up with a very metho c methodical 3-hour break down of what the defense was going to do. it started off badly and there was a moment where he was immediately objected to right at the start. i think that threw him off, and he seemed to fumble a bit and delivered the joke and the joke

went flat. let's listen. >> sure, stop me if you heard this one before. no, i'm not going talk about that. this trial is about george zimmerman, and not about pictures of ice cream cones, i still think the joke was funny. i'm sorry about that, i'm sorry i did not tell it better. but there was an important reason for it, there needed to be a disconnect, frankly, a disconnect from an act that was hard to follow. but i knew, mr. o'mara knew and you all knew soon that it indeed was just an act. >> i wish i would have told i better. >> i don't think it would have worked. by all accounts, don west is an excellent attorney, i think that many felt that he was not at his best during certain moments of the trial. some of which we talked about already the joke, we talked

about the ice cream tweet and we talk about the showdown if you will, between himself and rachel jeantel, which you know, you began to see, this was less about the testimony of a witness and more like a test of wills between two people. and there was a huge divide between them. and i think, the problem for the defense on her particular cross examination was that more and more people began to watch to see how these two faced off over two days, rather than really understanding what one witness was saying and what the defense was trying get her to eekt take back or somehow misstate. >> let's go back into the courtroom, after the verdict was announced. i was not in the courtroom, but from the camera angles they were giving out, watch the body language, clearly obviously relief from george zimmerman and the families. that was the first time i had seen the mother smile.

i had never seen the mother smile. and the father and everyone there. give you have a reading of the body language. >> well, we were, you know, when you get to a marriajor trial li this and the verdict comes out. it's difficult to explain the electricity in the air, but there is, whether you are a observer or a family, you know that this is what everything is built to. this moment. and there's that silence that is almost beyond any measure as you wait after the judge has said, has the jury reach tod-- has th jury reached the verdict? yes, we have your honor, and then they read it. in the case, it caught people off guard, regarding second degree murder how do you rule? manslaughter is next, we thought we would hear two difference takes.

>> all you heard was not guilty. that is all that needs to be said, but still it was, i think for a moment everyone was like, is it not guilty for everything? it was, it was not guilty for everything. there was no gasp, there was no shock, and the judge had warned there should not be. and i think with the zimmerman family, there was, you know, as you say, palpable relief and george did not seem to burst in a smile or anything. i think because everyone knows that this is a verdict but it's still a tragedy. >> was there an indication as to what happen inside the martin family was not in court. that is interesting. >> and it was, they have not been in the courtroom all day today. we have been called in a couple of times. jury questions and things like that. we looked. george zimmerman's family was there. and not to equate in any way, i'm just making an observation. but we expected certainly -- i was going up the elevator, very crowded. one arm reaches in, and ben crump, we get the doors open and he joins what is already a crowded car, he is the trayvon

martin family attorney and rides up with us and we said how are you feeling? what are you feeling? and he said, he was feeling confident. and he looked confident. but of course, the ruling did not go the family's way. not the way they would have liked it and they were not there, it was noticeable. you could not help but notice, because we see the family every day in that courtroom and watch and he know that they have to, you know, suffer as they do seeing the imagery and hearing about the death of their child. so, you know, that you knew and you figured at this moment, where were they? did they know in some way? we don't know. >> it was very different in his mood. he did an interview with me a couple of hours ago and then again at the press conference after the verdict. ben crump i'm talking about. >> the closiing arguments play back in my head and they both

did their very best in their statements. john guy had a line and the last part of his line was, george zimmerman will always have the blood of trayvon martin on his hands. >> yes, i remember that. >> there was a lot of truth to that, whether you are the prosecution or the defense much i think everyone acknowledges that this was a tragedy. >> right. >> and george zimmerman will always have to live with that. he will have to live with that. regardless of being exonerated. that is on him. he knows that. and that was the statement that rang true for everyone. >> what is next for george zimmerman? he is a free man and just hours ago an all female jury found zimmerman not guilty in the shooting death of trayvon martin. zimmerman has been in the spotlight since trayvon's death, this is the moment, just hours ago when the judge released zimmerman, how will he resume life after all the drama of the last 18 months? well his wife wept in court and

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>> and some of the reaction following the verdict has been just as interesting as the action in court during the testimony. i want to bring in now, our legal experts. form prosecutor for the los angeles district attorney's office, and we have got a huge team here, joining us to help us get through this. i want to go to brian, as you were watching this, you saw the reaction coming out of the courtroom, reaction pouring in from around the country, what do you make of the verdict and the reaction to it? >> i am not surprised by the verdict. the first thing we have to look at here is where did the wheels come off of the prosecution? i'm not sure that the wheels were ever on the bus of the prosecution. let's talk about the jury instruction. we have talked about the

manslaughter jury instruction, and we have talked about what it looked like, but we have not talked about the self defense, the stand your ground jury instruction in the case. that is where you really have to look and you see that the evidence that came into this case, in this trial, even the evidence that came in in the prosecution's own case, through the detective, through the police officer, through their witnesses, through the eyewitness who saw trayvon apparently on top beating george zimmerman, all of this evidence comes together and it fits right into the self defense jury instruction. so, i think that from the very first witness in the case the prosecution was in deep trouble. and i think that the jury did a good job, they spent a lot of time. there's no question it was not a rush to judgment. but at the end of the day, truly at the end of the day, the verdict that came out is what i thought the verdict was going to be a couple of weeks ago when this started. i'm not surprised. i'm focusing just on the trial. we are not looking outside the trial. we are not looking at the other issues.

the emotional issues. the loss of somebody. we are just looking at the case. and what happened here is about what you can expect given the law in florida. given the state of affairs there. given the stand your ground law and the instructions that the judge gave. everything was very well run. there was no criticism of the system here, probable it will the case should not have been brought in the first place. >> holly, you are shaker your head, is that disa agreement or agreement? >> they had to bring the case and had to let a jury decide. i think the problem is they over charged it in the beginning. had they started with manslaughter and sort of led the jury into that and explained what it was. i have made this comment since closing arguments. nobody talked about the manslaughter. everybody went whole hog, both sides with the prosecution

saying, this is absolutely second degree murder. you know, and then george, or mark o'mara saying on the other side that there's no ill will, hatred or spite and he repeated it over and over and over and. and you saw that so clearly in the style of the prosecutor, versus the style of oh, mare amp o'mara appealed to the intellect of the jurors, he said to them, this is the law and if you honestly take a emotion out of it, not that you are not going feel it, but do not apply it in your deliberations, look at the self defense law as it's written in the state of georgia, and he had a fantastic chart, do you think it could have been, might have been self defense? did the state prove to you beyond a reasonable doubt that it was not? that it was absolutely not? when you break down the law and you make it that clear for the jurors, they are going to rely on the law and they are not going to go with emotional reaction and that is what john

guy was basically begging them to do. because they didn't charge it properly and they did not prepare their witnesses. there was no excuse for witness after witness after witness saying to the prosecutor's questions, i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. how do you ask a question, you do not know the answer to? and it was not just one witness, don. >> i want to bring in faith jenkins here, i think it was made earlier, a good point, and i want to get your reaction to it. he said that george zimmerman was found not guilty, but he was not necessarily found innocent under american law. >> right, and don, very early on as a prosecutor, you learn that there's what you believe happened in a case, and then

there's what you can prove in court. those are two very different things. and sometimes even though you really believe that a crime has occurred, when you do not have the evidence, you do not go to the grand jury, you do not indict a case. in this instance, i think there was enough evidence to go forward, based on the facts and everything that the prosecutor knew, however, still, you go in court and you make the presentation. trials are not necessarily about the truth all the time. it's about what you can prove in court and meeting your burden in court and the second thing i want to say about race, i have heard a lot of comments about this case was not about race and this trial was not about race. i often find when people talk about that in the criminal justice system, it's people who have perhaps never worked in the criminal justice system, because the two greatest influences in the criminal justice system are race and money, i have found in my experience. two huge factors here, and you can see, most people do not, cannot afford the defense that george zimmerman was afforded in this case. this case, this defense is an exception to the general rule.

>> do you think that this case was over charged? should she have gone for manslaughter instead of second degree murder? >> you know, i do not have a problem with the second degree murder charge, don, i think there was evidence of the ill will and hatred that the prosecution could put on and argue to the jury. i do think that the basic problem with the case was reasonable doubt. reasonable doubt about was there the ill will and hate? and reasonable doubt about whether george zimmerman had a legitimate right to self defense or not. so that was the biggest hurdle for the prosecution. the prosecution did what they could with the evidence that they had. but we all saw, as that evidence came out in front of the jury, the holes in the evidence, which is what happens when you have all of these difference eyewitnesss and ear witnesses. but no one witness to the entire thing except for of course the defendant, and you have

credibility issues there. i want to go back to what you said about the innocence versus not guilty. i think it's so important to be said at this time: the jury did not find george zimmerman innocent. i know that mr. o'mara kept saying that in his closing argument that george was absolutely innocent. but this not guilty verdict did not say that the jurors believed he was innocent. all it says is, they could not find beyond a reasonable doubt every element of the kriep. that was the hardest thing for the jury to overcome. as many people looked in the case, in their gut, they feel that something wrong happened here. in their gut, they feel that george zimmerman did something wrong. but under the law, which is very cold and dispassionate, could they look and say, the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt, if they could,

they have to say, i'm sorry, you will not be held liable under the criminal justice system. so it's then jump and say, well they are saying he is innocent. i think it's a jump that people should not take. that the defense should not say. that no one should say and i think when we hear from the jurors if we do, they will make it clear that they were not saying he was innocent, they are just saying that they could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt. and therefore the law gave them no choice but to write not guilty. >> lion, you took the words out of -- lonnie, you took the words out of my mouth. if we hear from the jurors, that is no doubt, probably what we are going to hear from some of them here. so, stick around, more legal analysis coming up plus this. those that have been riveted by the trial, speaking out tonight, reaction from social media, unbelievable. you will hear that next.

>> george zimmerman was never guilty of anything, except for protecting himself in self defense, i'm glad that the jury saw it that way, and i hope that everyone thinks, especially those that doubted george's reasons and doubted his background now understand that the jury knew everything that they knew, it was enough for them to find him not guilty. >> that was a defense attorney mark o'mara. after the not guilty verdict was read. here is inside the courtroom when the verdict was read. >> circuit court of the 18th judicial circuit is, state of florida versus george zimmerman, verdict, we the jury find george

zimmerman not guilty. so say we all -- >> two words, not guilty. george zimmerman was told he could go home, that he was a free man, all charging against him were dismissed. the jury of six women deliberated for 16 hours, they could have found him guilty of second degree murder. reading through twitter, the reactions from social media from trayvon martin's family and famous twitter users. his mother, she writes, lord during my darkest hour, i lean on you, you are all that i at the end of the day, god is still in control. thank you all for your prayers and support, i will love you forever, trayvon in the name of jesus. this is from his father, tracy martin. he said quote, god bless me and sybrina with tray and even in his death i know my baby is proud of the fight we put up for him.

i will always love my baby, tray. thanks to everyone who was with us and who will be with us so we together can make sure that this doesn't happen again. and this is from russell simmons. russell simmons wrote, i know many people are very upset about the verdict, but we must remain peaceful no matter what. remain peaceful and from singer john legend, my heart hurts and from the naacp, they have responded, they said this from the president, we are outraged and we are heart broken over today's verdict. we stand with trayvon's family and we are called to act. we will pursue civil rights charges with the department of justice and we will continue to fight for the removal of stand your ground laws in every state. and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its

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where do we go next? >> yeah, i mean we have to have a conversation, and that may be one of the good things that has come out of this. i think people are going to talk about race relations, they are going to talk about stand your ground. they are going to talk about how is it that in 2013, you have someone able to profile a young teenager, follow them, pursue them, make all the wrong aassumptions, because let's remember that all of the assumptions were wrong, and not be culpable in any way shape or form. you have someone like michael vick who was put in jail for dog fighting. you have people that were put in jail for tax evasion, you have people put in jail for shooting themselves in the leg. but you have no culpablity here and i think that's a discussion that we have to have. and hopefully we will open up that dialog.

>> yeah, mark, i want to change your job and make you a former prosecutor, and i know that you are not. so, for give me for that. so where does this discussion go next? what happens next? weigh talked about what should happen with george zimmerman, he said that he needs to heal now, is this over? you hear calls from the the naacp and the justice department and what have you, what happens next, here? >> well, as i said, when this first came out, this is not a time for jubilaton or blame or high fiving, it's a time for reflection and figuring out how to do better, history is good enough if we keep make the same mistakes, we will repeat the failures of the first time. i'm bothered, as we said many times this whole case was up side down on. you know, one of the things to be discussed is the prosecutors over charging people.

and interestinged, we have the complete reversal here in that george zimmerman, in my opinion, should never have been charged with second degree, i understand the manslaughter, and that is what they should have charged. you do not start high and hope and play a crap shoot with someone's life and hope that the jury comes back lower. this omp ften comes back and effects african-american men. this is a game, if you take a look, especially at this prosecutor's office in duval county and you look at their philosophy and policies it relates to prosecution. we have a issue here. i'm bothered by the fact that the team is seemingly in some ways coming in on their horse and saving the day. take a look at the policies. we have over charging that happens all the time to young people, young black men in the country. and from -- in my opinion, from the very office that prosecuted this case. if this case was handled efficiently with a manslaughter charge, and alleged the fact that there was -- george zimmerman was irresponsible,

that he over reacted, that he should not have been carrying a gun while it all took place, and keep it clean and keep the eye on the ball. they may have had a better chance of a prosecution. no, they went ahead and flexed their political muscle and look at what happened. and i think people need to be upset about that who are concerned about an acquittal in this case. that was one of the things that needs to be looked at. >> paul, there are people that are upset with the members of other team here. our panel here for saying, hey, listen, not guilty does not mean innocent. people are saying, it does mean he is innocent. what do you say to that paul? >> it does not mean innocent, and it does not mean that in any case. sometimes it means innocent. sometimes an innocent man is found not guilty. but other times a guilty man,

there's not enough evidence to prove he is guilty. in this case, i think when you look at it overall, it was, the prosecution just did not have the ammunition here to present to the jury. and essentially, i think when the jurors are interviewed, i think they will say there was wrong on both sides. george zimmerman improperly thought that trayvon was a criminal. he thought he was protecting his community and followed him. i think they may say that try von was angry that had this guy was following him when he was in his own community and maybe he turned and punched him in the face. punched george zimmerman in the face. zimmerman thinking that he was dealing with a criminal, then acted in self defense to defend himself from what he thought was a deadly threat.

there was, you know, there was fault on both sides but unfortunately, a 17-year-old is dead, and why? because there was a gun in the picture. what i take away from last night. every african-american that i have spoken to, sees their own children in trayvon martin. and says is, in america today, do we have to worry when our kid goes out that he will be shot? because someone thinks he is a burglar? and i know, if this case, i tried cases like this in new york, as a prosecutor. and we used to call it, if you bring a gun to a fight and you kill somebody, you will get convictimed of manslaughter, and there will not ab prosecutor holding a press conference as they did earlier this evening saying we support the right to bare arms. this is not about the right to bare arms. you never hear that in new york then talking about that. they do not believe in arms of any kind in new york.

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>> we are live, i'm here with robert zimmerman. you have just heard the verdict, i have interviewed you six or seven times over the last year, and always in tense circumstances, i now am interviewing you when you know your brother is a free man, how does that feel? >> i cannot put in words how relieved we are as a family, that was the first thing my father said. at the same time, it's not the time for high fiving, we all

acknowledge that mr. trayvon martin lost his life. it was not an act of murder or manslaughter. the jury has spoken. the judicial system has spoken, but that does not diminish the tragedy, death is tragic in any circumstance of a someone, a young person losing their life for whatever circumstances exist. you have just spoken literally in the last moments to your sister, gracie who has spoken directly to george after the verdict, how did she describe his mood? >> he is still processing the reality or notion of being a free man, and as the judge described, no further business with the court. he has had a gps monitoring his every step, his whereabouts and his curfew. none of that exists anymore. so i think, you know, he has some decompression to do, decompressing and he has to align himself with himself again as the free george.

>> was he emotional? >> did gracie describe how he was on the phone? >> she didn't, our family was. george is just now getting around to processing, i think, as most of our family is, just now processing the reality that we are not on the other end of this mountain of miss information, now the jury has spoken. and now we are exonerated as a family, but more importantly, george is exonerated as a defendant and we are going to process that. it takes time. you know, we have been on the other end of this for the better part of a year and a half now, it will take us time to heal. >> what will he do? he is a free man. he has come out tonight into a world where many people dis -- despise him, you know that. will he have concerns for the quality of life for the rest of his life, for his safety? >> we have always feared for his

safety and our safety as a family. clearly, you know, he is a free man in the eyes of the court. but he is going to be looking around his shoulder for the rest of his life. there are factions and groups and people that would want to take the law into their own hands as they perceive it or be vigilantes? some sense is, they will not respect a verdict no matter how it was reached and they will always present a threat to george and his family. >> let me replay the moment that your brother heard that he was a free man. >> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial circuit in and for seminole county, florida state florida versus george zimmerman, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty, so say we all. does either side want to poll the jury? >> we would, your honor. >> ladies and gentlemen, ladies, i'm sorry, as your juror number

is called, answer whether it's your verdict. >> junior b-76, your verdict? >> yes. >> juror b-73 is this your verdict? >> yes. >> yes. >> juror e-40, is this your verdict? yes. >> thank you. >> it was extraordinarily calm. george, on hearing that. let me ask you the difficult questions here, many people have reactsed with fury tonight. you know, many people have reacted that thinking it's a right decision, many have said it's an outrage, nobody has been made accountable for the death on of trayvon martin. what do you say to those people? >> we do not make people accountable for death as it were because there's a death. death is unfortunate. death is a bi-product of the law

prescribes, as returning appropriate force. the jury found he acted appropriately in defending his life in accordance with the law. we respect the rule of laul and respecting this verdict as we called for it before the verdict was in, is the only appropriate thing to do as americans. this is our system, this is what we have. it's the best in the world. and i think that conjecture and speculation and emotional reaction to what people think may or may not have happened is dominating the discussion for a long time. people called for an arrest, and called for his day in court. they have had the their day in court. they have seen the blood, they have seen what trayvon martin did for my brother. and it's time, it's high time that they accept that the jury system that we have in this country is a system that we should respect. >> but they have also seen what your brother did to trayvon martin and many people feel, why

did your brother pursue him? why did he get us on of the vehicle and pursue him and why did he carry a gun why is he not feeling responsibility for what happened? without those two things trayvon martin would be alive. >> i don't think that he feels responsibility. george was sorrowful after this happened. just because he is not over the top emotional does not mean that he does not feel terribly bit. as we saw in court, when he asked if a woman was catholic, yes, because no matter what happens, losing lived is horrible. from my previous answer, they are not paying attention to facts. you said pursued, which is a key word, that comp come -- that comes from benjamin crump, the state never proved that he continued to follow. any reference to george following trayvon martin,

catching up to and confronting him is conjecture to format and errors. >> the truth is we do not know. >> no, we do know. >> you know what your brother told you. >> in your country, we may not know, and we may be subject to continual conjecture to the end of time. >> no, i respect the verdict of any jury, that is how you respond to these things. you know about my view about this from the start. i respect the jury. i will ask you this, if the situation was reversed and if you were the brother of trayvon martin and -- or say you are the brother of george zimmerman and he had been killed in the same situation reversed. trayvon got out of the vehicle, had got a gun, got involved in an alter indication and pulled out the gun and killed your brother dead, how do you feel on a human level and emotional level about that?

>> two things, that is tragic. and if trayvon were my brother and he was the one armed and legally armed and you know, able to carry that firearm in a legal way, and my brother blind sided him by breaking his nose and pummeling him into concrete and continued to punch him. i would find and the jury has found that unfortunately he had the greater hand in his own demise, which was causing by his own hand, his death. that is unfortunate, but that is what i believe. >> you believe that a 17-year-old boy armed with a bag of candy. >> look, we can be synical about it to the end of time. >> no, i want your clear opinion. >> i think i have been clear and the jury was clear. self defense means that you were defending your life from a perceived threat.

whether you were injured to the degree that you were injured to in order to shoot someone or not, you perceived a threat of great bodly harm or death. that was is what surrounded george in the moment that he fired his gun. having said that, you asked me if the role were reversed. i don't begrudge anyone for trying to get to answers to why their son died. i take issue when the answers are not immediately forthcoming throwing the race card on the table and accusing everyone from gege the san ford police department and the chief of police and the state of attorney's office, and everyone in between of being racist or sweeping a murder under the rug. >> mark o'mara said tonight, in george zimmerman had been black, he never would have been charged with any offense? >> perhaps not, that happens in chicago every day.

there's many people that go out and shoot other people that are black, and shoot other people that are black and are not charged for whatever reason. >> well, some of them are, obviously. >> some but there's many more that are not. there's nor unsolved homicides in chicago than in florida. we will have the right conversation that we need to have going forward. trayvon is a victim of many things. he is not the victim of a murder. he is not the victim of a manslaughter and as much as you want to spin it or talk about skittles or trash george on your program or any other cnn program, he is an innocent man. >> it's not about trashing, it turned out to be a fact after george pulled the trigger and killed trayvon martin that trayvon was unarmed. >> he was armed with the

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