it made us wonder if washington d.c. with the depressing record is the best choice for america's capital. philly, trenton, new york served as capital. maybe there is a better alternative out there. is washington still the best choice if you can pick? if not, which city should win? let us know on twitter at erin burnett or out front.com. good to see you. good to see you. "ac 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com part two of my interview with juror b 37 and no less revealing than part one. she never served on a jury before and never wants to again and has plenty to say about the instructions the jury was given, instructions she says guaranteed george zimmerman would go free and reminded self-defense doesn't retreat from danger if possible n. orlando attorney general addressing the naacp

national convention spoke out against the stand your ground laws. >> by allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety. it is our collective obligation. we must stand our ground. [ applause ] >> to ensure -- [ applause ] >> we must stand our ground to ensure that our laws reduce violence and take a hard look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent. >> now again, for all the sympathy that the juror appears to show for george zimmerman, juror b 37 says the judge's instructions tied their hands and that's not all she said. we spoke for nearly an hour with

an unexpected interview. we planned only to meet her but not conduct an actual interview that changed late in the day to our surprise she said she agreed to talk on the record. we did the interview minutes before air time last night and as i said, we spoke for nearly an hour. too much to fit into the program last night so you'll hear the rest tonight, part two. >> did you cry in the jury room? >> i cried after the verdict. i didn't cry when they were reading the verdict out in the jury room because we were all crying before we went in, and then -- >> what do you mean? >> we were in a accept pretty room when the foreman handed the bailiff our verdict and we were crying back there before we went into the jury room. so they gave us 20 minutes to try and get everything together. >> what do you think you were crying about? >> the pressure, the pressure of it and everything came to a head

because i kind of tried to keep everything out emotionally out during the whole process, and then it just flooded in after it was done. >> but you want people to know and the reason you're speaking is you want people to know how seriously you took this? >> i do. i don't want people to think we didn't think about it and didn't care about trayvon martin. because we did. we were very sad that it happened to him. >> and you wanted his family to know that, as well? >> i do. and i feel bad that we can't give them the verdict they wanted, but legally we could not do that. >> do you think trayvon martin played a role in his own death, that this wasn't just something that happened to him, this is something he also -- >> i believe he played a huge role in his death. he could -- he could have -- when george confronted him and

he could have walked away and gone home. he didn't have to do whatever he did and come back and be in a fight. >> and the other jurors felt that, as well? >> they did. i mean, as far as i -- my perspective of it, they did. >> so you think based on the testimony you heard, you believe that trayvon martin was the aggressor? >> i think the roles changed. i think -- i think george got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there, but trayvon decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him and get the one over up on him or something, and i think trayvon got mad and attacked him. >> you called george zimmerman george. do you feel like you know him? >> i do. i feel like i know everybody. >> do you call trayvon, trayvon, as well? >> i did. trayvon wasn't as well-known by

us because there wasn't as much said about him. all we really heard about trayvon was the phone call that he had and the evidence they had found on him. we basically had no information what kind of a boy trayvon was, what he did. we knew where he went to school and that was pretty much about it, and he lived in miami. >> what would you say to trayvon martin's parents, to tracy and sybrina. >> i would say i'm terribly sorry for your loss. it's a tragedy. that's pretty much all i can say because i don't -- you know, i didn't know him, but i felt their pain because of his death. >> what do you hope for for george zimmerman now? >> i hope he gets some peace because i'm sure he's going to be on slot by media for months at a time. i hope his family can live a

normal life after awhile. i don't know how he's ever going to do that, but i hope he can. he'll never forget, but i hope he can. >> before we hear more, i want to bring in our panel paul henderson, mark garagoa jeffrey toobin. >> it's interesting listening to her talk. she said she didn't get of sense of who trayvon martin was. do you think that could have made a difference? >> i might have but probably not. trials are not really about the defendant, and i don't -- >> but she's clearly got a sense of who george -- she believes george zimmerman was because she felt she could say what was in george zimmerman's heart. >> absolutely. her identification with zimmerman is really very striking and i think somewhat unusual. the degree to which she feels sympathy and affection for

zimmerman is striking. you know, trials are about defendants, and his -- zimmerman's intent, zimmerman's background, zimmerman's intent, that's what the case was about and trayvon martin, there really was not much of an opportunity to present a human face on him or -- >> i don't know -- >> look, if you were the prosecutor in this case and you had not been used to putting away young black men for the last 20, 30 years, you -- you might have painted a picture where they would resinate with trayvon as opposed to zimmerman. what was masterful by the defense, the defense made this about george. they made those jurors want to help george and they -- i thought that that one witness besides the detective, the one witness who talked about the black males trying to get into her house, that rest nated with this jury at the very end and that's exactly -- that plays

into what, you know, i hate to say it, the kind of racial archetype of black males as predators. >> something to think about in this case, the prosecution explicitly decided to ever zimmerman's life in the months before an issue and the defense exploded that and humanized zimmerman. the defenses witnesses were brilliant because they served multiple purposes. you might have a guy testifying i'm a medic. i know what screaming sounds like and backdoored in this charter evidence about george zimmerman. you learned -- they used these witnesses for multiple purposes strategically. >> do you think it would have been possible to present evidence about what trayvon martin was, or would that have hoped them up to challenges by the defense about bringing in tweets and stuff from trayvon mart martin's past? >> it depends what they used and

how they introduced it. i felt the defense did a masterful job of introducing little throw away lines that matter, that talked about george zimmerman being a good friend and a nice guy and the best friend that anyone could have and we didn't hear testimony like that or comments like that from the witnesses that were put on by the prosecution, but it's those little nuggets that i think would have helped or could have painted a better picture about trayvon, because you heard them saying that they didn't know anything about him. they didn't know what kind of kid he was, other than what school he went to, and i don't know that it would have made a difference, but i certainly would have tried to put that information in there with the witnesses i had. >> the most competent prosecutors would have. most competent prosecutors would not put on an african american male professor to say wonderful things to get in the tidbit that he learned about stand your ground and then get decimated on the cross-examination by the guy saying yeah, he was a great student, wonderful guy.

>> so interesting. i read this story by economists and looked at trials in florida from 200 to 2010 and with all-white juries when there was a black defendant, they convicted that black defendant 16% times more than a white defendant and if they had -- if the reverse was if they had one african american juror instead of all white jury, that between the black defendant and white defendant went down to a negotiable difference. >> it's no longer an elephant in the room. that's why it's so important in jury selection, that's why there is the whole developed body of law that you can't -- the prosecutors can't and defense now what we call reverse, can't strike people of class. that is the most important part of the trial. >> mark, you said from the very beginning this case was over in jury selection. i'll tell you one thing that's odd about this situation is the

six-person jury. now that's unusual. it's constitutional and some states have it and florida is one. if this was 12 people, the chances of having an african american -- >> it would be higher. frankly, this county is -- it's not heavily african american but there is a substantial african american presence and i just -- i think the six-person jury hurt the prosecution. >> it's important for viewers to understand. hearing about a jury of his peers and jury of his peers. you don't have a constitution of the final jury being representative or a peer, whatever that may be. all that requires is that the jury pooled from a reasonable cross section of the community. your ultimate jury as long as it satisfies batson, can be six females. >> it's interesting you hear b 37 believes trayvon martin played a role in his own death, that -- i mean, she -- done this

equally part of this. >> she's very judge mental about that and the part that stood out to me is when she said when confronted by zimmerman he could have walked away, he should have left or he could have done something and we wouldn't be here which to me raises the issue what about his self-defense rights? what if he did in that confrontation used the only thing he had, which was his fist and got shot and got shot with this man with no color of authority and no police officer and armed and came at him. we don't know what happened but i find it interesting she's completely judge mental about trayvon mart and says he was probably angry. we don't have any of that information. she's filled in the gaps and adopting the defense's prospective and that's why we are where we are. >> she didn't ever it up. she didn't invent this. she accepted what the defense argued which was trayvon threw

the first punch, he was on top. so i don't think you can condeem her for, you know, making up some scenario just out of bias or something else. she looked at the evidence -- >> if -- i agree with that -- >> but nothing else got presented to her. >> the problem is remember, paul, you know this, we're talking to jump rorrors after t reach a verdict and retrench and they are going to say whatever they need to say. i mean, this is why talking to jurors afterwards, it's great when you win and drives you insane when you lose. >> we'll take a quick break. the exclusive interview continues. let us know what you ink. let us know what you think on twitter. b 37 answers two key questions did she want george zimmerman to take the stand and this -- when you lay your head tonight on the pillow, in your heart and in your head you are 100% convince that george zimmerman in taking out his gun and pulling the

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more of the interview with b 37. at the top of the program she said trayvon martin played in her word as huge role in his own death. her thoughts on the elements that in her mind added up to a not guilty verdict and what evers her so certain, even though she didn't have a chance to see the defendant testify and face cross-examination. george zimmerman, obviously, did not testify but his testimony essentially was brought into the trial through the videotapes, a number of videotapes where he walked police through a reenact the. how important were those videotapes to you? >> i don't really know, because i mean, watching the tapes, you could -- there is always something in the back saying is it right? is it consistent? but with all the evidence of the phone calls and all the witnesses that he saw, i think george was pretty consistent and told the truth, basically. i'm sure there were some

fabrications, enhancements, but i think pretty much it happened the way george said it happened. >> would you like have to have heard zimmerman testify? would you like to have seen him on the stand to be cross-examin cross-examined? >> i don't think it would have been any different. i don't -- i don't think he -- i think he would have told the story the same exact way. >> so you don't think him being on the stand and being kroosz examined would have made a difference? >> i don't think it would have, i really don't. >> do you think the state overcharged by going for second-degree murder? do you think if they had gone into it, started off opening statements saying manslaughter, it might have made a difference in terms of the end result? >> it wouldn't have made a difference if they would have given us the same paperwork they gave us. they gave us the laws and we went by the laws, and that's how he found him innocent. if they would have given us

manslaughter and everything that was attached to it, it would have come out the exact same way. >> you hope you never serve on a jury again? >> i told them that. after we had polled and gone down stairs, they said is there anything anybody wants to add to this? i said can i get out of jury duty for the rest of my life? the one girl said you can for a year. i think i should get out of jury duty for the rest of my life. >> can you tell me just a little bit about that last day in the jury room deliberating? you went for so long. did you know you were close? >> we know we were close. we knew we were close five hours before we got to where we were because we were slowly making progress the entire time. we didn't come to a block. we were reading and reading and reading and reading and knew we were progressing. >> did the jurors, did you-all get along well? was there conflict?

how did the deliberation process, how was being together this long? >> it was tough. we all pretty much get along. it's hard sometimes to let other people talk, you know, at one time and then have somebody else talk instead of adding your comments to whatever they were saying trying to help figure it out what we were trying to figure out. at times, i thought we might have a hung jury because one of them said they were going to leave, and we convinced them that you can't leave. you can't do this. you've been in this too long to walk out now. >> they were going to leave for personal reasons, family reasons? >> yeah. >> when you lay your head tonight on the pillow, in your heart and head you were 100% convinced that george zimmerman in taking out his gun and pulling the trigger did nothing wrong? >> i'm 101% that he was -- that

he should have done what he did except for the things that he did before. >> you mean he shouldn't have gotten out of the car, he shouldn't have pursued trayvon martin but in the final analysis and struggle -- >> when the end came to the end -- >> he was justified? >> hes justified in shooting trayvon martin. >> i'm back with the panel. paul, what stands out to you as you listen to this juror? >> the fact she starts off with saying that testimony from the actual defendant would not have made a difference and i've been doing this a long time. i don't think i've ever heard a juror saying that before, but they were so convinced by the presentation, that's that what she believed and the fact she tied it to the insurance instructions that were given to them saying that if those same instructions were given, that it wouldn't have made a difference, so there is no issue of over

charging. there's no issue about the child endangerment and what difference that would have made at least according to her, but to me listening to that, what that tells me from a lawyer's prospective. the lawyers from the prosecution should have done a better job and focussed and concentrated on those instructions more to ever them clear because it's very clear she didn't understand or like, because clearly she rejected that perspective by the prosecution ending anded up with the verdict -- >> the key strategic testimony the prosecution made is under lined by her testimony. they decided to introduce the tapes of police interviews, interviews with fox news. they put his story in front of the jury. their theory was it was so contradictory, it would show he's a liar. i never bought that. the fact she developed this affection for zimmerman through these tapes under lined what a bad decision that was. >> it was not only a bad

decision to do it, they knew because they have pretrial depositions that their lead investigator would get on the stand and say he didn't think they were material -- i was told in the pretrial depositions he was not as favorable to the defense. he didn't speak of the defendant in such glowing terms -- >> mark o'mara took a gamble -- >> he did say in the pretrial depositions there were no material inconsistencies and to paul's point, they never had to introduce any of those things. that's what we've said here. all of that could -- that was a defense lawyer's dream. i fight in every case to get my client's statement in and itself serving hearsay. you can't get it in. the prosecution can because they are the ad verse party but every step of the way and paul says they told have concentrated on

the law. remember the argument with sunny, the closing arguments, mcdreamy or whatever. he didn't talk about the law he was pounding the desk. remember, they said they were back there struggling with the law. jurors, you know, emotionally go so far with jurors. you have to explain the law to them. as she said and one of the things you tell jurors is there is no guide book to what to do so having been a lawyer and trying cases, i'm going to show you what you have to do and lead them through the law. they didn't get near there. >> if you get to mark o'mara's final is his conversational tone and he spoke almost as if he was one of the juror, as if you could picture him in the jury room as the 7th juror walking through the decision-making process and i believe when that door closed and they started to

deliberate they could hear that conversational tone as he casually walks through each juror. there is no question he structured the closing that way. >> which is why closing arguments are not to convince people. a closing argument is so that you can give the jurors already with you the arguments -- >> the road map. >> to road map and what to do. he walks them through it. you're not turning anyone around -- >> their minds are made up. >> do you agree with that, paul? >> i do agree. the other thing that stood out an individual that all almost walked out and to hear that i know the prosecution is grasping their heads feeling like we could have had a mistrial if we could have explained to that one juror how she could have held out, we might have been in darchlt place. i think it's interesting. >> i should point out prior to the interview b 37 told me that some of the details of why that

one juror thought about leaving and it wasn't necessarily related to the trial, from my understanding. it was related to her personal family issues, a child care issue. that's at least the understanding that i was given before the interview began. >> yeah, but you never know is that a pretext or anything else. the fact she said it was split to begin with is exactly -- paul has to be as a prosecutor thinking i cannot believe what these guys did. they took this case -- >> i will say it again, i think they threw it. >> that's ridiculous. >> i think they threw the case. how else could they be so lame? >> we'll have more of the interview of b 37, stuff you haven't heard before. she said the jury was split when they first started deb lip rating, you'll hear how they got from the initial vote to acqu acquitt acquittal. can you talk about the process of the other jurors changing their minds? ♪

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more on my exclusive interview with zimmerman juror b 37. she takes us inside the jury room telling me what she and other jurors found compelling, what they didn't and holdouts on d deliberations. >> i had no doubt george feared for his life in the situation at the time. >> when the prosecution in their closing argument is holding up skittles and holding up the can of iced tea and saying this is what trayvon martin was armed with, just a kid who had skittles and iced tea, you felt george zimmerman -- did you find

that compelling at all or did you find mark o'mara with the concrete block compelling? >> mark o'mara with the concrete block. the skittles and arizona iced tea can were ridiculous to put up and compare the two. anybody can be armed with anything. you can bash somebody's head against a tree or a rock or concrete. >> so you believe trayvon martin was slamming george zimmerman's head against the concrete without a doubt? >> he hit it. i believe he was trying to slam it. i don't know how hard george's head was hit on the concrete, enough to get damage, bruising, swelling. it was definitely enough to ever you fear when you're in that situation. >> and the photos of george zimmerman, the photos of his injuries, to you were those something you also looked at in the jury room -- >> we did. we did. we did all the -- that kind of

evidence first and then we listened to the tapes of wards. >> and that was important to you because that also made you believe george zimmerman was legitimate in fearing for his life? >> i believed it. i believe because of his injuries. >> can you talk about the process of the other jurors changing their minds? you talked about the first juror went from second-degree murder to manslaughter and put out the question to the judge for manslaughter. >> uh-huh. >> and then it was basically because of the jury's reading of the law, that everybody finally decided manslaughter doesn't hold? >> that's exactly why. >> was there any holdout? >> there was a holdout, and probably -- well we had another vote, and then everybody voted put it in the little tin. we had a little tin folder of papers and put it in the vote

and she was the last one to vote, and it took probably another 30 minutes for her to decide that she could not find anything else to hold george on because you want to find him guilty of something. she wanted to find him guilty of something, but couldn't because of the law, the way the law is written. he wasn't responsible for things. >> did you also want to find him guilty of something? >> i wanted to find him guilty of not using his senses, but you can't fault anybody -- i mean, you can't charge anybody for not being, i guess, i don't know, you can't fault him -- you can't fault -- you can't charge him with anything because he didn't do anything unlawful. >> you said he was too eager but

it wasn't against the law. >> that's exactly what happened. >> you're saying maybe it wasn't right getting out of that car but it wasn't against the law? >> exactly. he started the ball rolling. he could have avoid the the whole situation by staying in the car, but he wanted to do good. i think he had good in his heard. he just went overboard. >> good in his heart he just went overboard. that's what she believes. i'm joined by our panel. paul, it is so interesting how this juror and i assume the others, as well, felt they knew what was in george zimmerman's heart. >> i agree. i mean, there is a complete adoption of the zimmerman pr presentation from the defense team. she goes back to the jury instructions and says they poured over it trying to find something, which to me raises

the flag of it's the prosecution, the road map was not given to them clearly enough so they could understand a pathway to find accountability and to hear that, i know the prosecution is listening saying they were looking, pouring through the papers to try and find some level of accountability with the rules that they were given, and couldn't find any. that to me is a big loss in your presentation that you did not give them those tools, that you didn't prepare and ever it clear to them, this is how you find accountability with the charges given to you in this room and that's what really stands out to me, that she keeps saying again, and again and again. >> is there a way to find accountability, given the laws? >> i don't know -- >> she said it was bad judgment to get out of the car but you can't convict of bad judgment. >> mark especially is very critical of the prosecutors and i think it was a mistake to introduce the videos of the interviews, but the evidence is what the evidence is. and i don't think there was, you

know, some secret witness out there they should have called. there is onie issue in this cas. is isn't who done it? everybody knows when the crime took place. the issue was what he was thinking and intending when he did it and when you only have one survivor of the encounter, the person whose telling the story has a tremendous advantage. >> is she correct and the jury correct that it didn't matter that he was the one to get out of the car? it didn't matter what happened up until they were in a struggle and that's all that mattered once the struggle began, what george zimmerman felt? >> absolutely. she is right about that. there is no crime. there is not even -- there is nothing unlawful about him getting out of the car. of course, in retrospect we wish he stayed in the car but he gets out, on the phone. that 911 call, he's actually outside during most of it and remember, the dispatcher is saying to him, what does he look like?

so he's -- you know, we all focused on the dispatcher saying, you know, we don't need you to follow him but the dispatcher is asking questions what is going on. >> which this juror is zoning in on. >> right, so this was not a -- i mean, her view of the evidence is not crazy. >> it's not only not crazy, it completely defenseble based on what was presented, i, frankly, there is no other verdict based on what was presented. i know that people will -- that polarizes people but the way this case was presented and argued -- >> what could they have done differently? >> i will -- paul, do you want me to jump in here -- >> please, please -- >> you're -- >> please let me jump in. >> paul, let's talk about things. >> let me say, there is a couple things like the first thing that jumps out to me is there was a road map to convict and have a different version of events. when the witness says that

trayvon was saying get off, get off. there you have it there the fight wasn't according to the version that zimmerman gave them but then again i know this issue comes up and we dance around it. i think the race issue is really important. i feel like it was important and i feel like the defense used race. >> right. >> i feel the prosecution needed to address race, even if that would not have changed the juror's mind, i think the viewers and the audience and america would have felt like well, you raise the issue and let them know -- >> well -- >> speaks to the intent. >> paul -- >> let's talk about -- >> wouldn't you say when the prosecution, i don't know about you but i never had two jurors on a batson motion reseated and then you end up with an all-white jury. at that point you say, okay, if i've run out of preemptory challenges, will i go straightforward with the same case or retool? if you're going to retool -- >> you have to -- >> you have to retool.

it's prosecutor incompetence not to and too to keep going forward with the same case with that jury is absolute malpractice. >> the judge also did something weird here. the judge said the prosecution could say profiling but not racial profiling. i don't even know what that means. >> it is interesting. at 10:00 we have a special on race and justice in this country, both related to this case and our history and angela corey, the sister attorney for california is -- excuse me, for florida will be there. she -- and i ask her about race and she really goes out of her way to try to not say that race was part of this. i mean, she says race was not part of it -- >> watch and it see if you feel if that was a genuine response. >> exactly. we'll be right back. yeah, i'm married. does it matter?

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more now on my whiexclusive interview with the jurors. what may have happened empty confromation. i got her take on that animation. in the defense in their closing argument play that animation of what they believed happened. did you find that credible? >> i found it credible. i did. >> do you think that's what actually happened because in that animation trayvon martin

thou throws the first punch. >> i think there were maybe other issues and stuff leading between that like where george went exactly and where trayvon went exactly because nobody knows where the two of them went to but they met in the back and i think that's where it started. >> what do you think of the testimony of trayvon martin's mother and father? did you find them credible? >> i think they said anything a mother and father would say, just like george zimmerman's mom and father. i think they are your kids. you want to believe that they are innocent and that was their voice because hearing that voice would ever it credible that they were the victim, not the aggr s aggress aggressor. >> so in a way, both sets of parents kind of cancelled each other out in your mind? >> they did. definitely. >> was that true for the other jurors, as well, they felt those testimonies cancelled each other out? >> i can't speak for the other

jurors but i believe with the feelings and indications that they also -- testimonies just kind of cancelled each other out. >> do you think any of the witnesses lied? >> i can't think of any witnesses that lied. i really can't pick out any that lied. i think some might have heard things that weren't there becauseperspective, the stress. like when somebody is stressed from hearing a gunshot. people react differently, and so people -- ask ten different people ten different things and you get ten different answers. >> the prosecution didn't use the word racial profiling during the case. >> uh-huh. >> they used the word profiling. >> uh-huh. >> that was something worked out between the judge and the lawyers when the jury wasn't in the room. >> right. >> do you feel that george zimmerman racially profiled trayvon martin? do you think race played a role in his decision, his view of

trayvon martin as suspicious? >> i don't think he did. i think circumstances caused george to think that he might be a robber or trying to do something bad in the neighborhood because of all that had gone on previously. there were unbelievable number of robberies in the neighborhood. >> there is talk of the justice department perhaps filing civil rights violation charges against george zimmerman. do you think george zimmerman violated trayvon martin's civil rights? >> i don't think he did. i don't think he did at all. i don't think he profiled him as a racial thing. i think he profiled him just as somebody in the neighborhood that was suspicious. >> so when he said these f-ing punks always get away from it, he wasn't referencing race but -- >> i think he was referencing

everything happening in the neighborhood. he wanted somebody to take -- get blamed and get caught, so maybe some of this would stop. >> as you know, there have been demonstrations in a lot of cities in the last day or so. i don't know if you've seen images of their -- people holding up signs saying that african american males are unsafe on the streets or that, you know, what -- one columnist on our program last night who was african american said he had to have a conversation with his sons about what speed is it okay for them to walk. too slow suspicious, too fast is suspicious, as well. do you think any of that is -- down where that comes from, or do you think race had nothing to do with this and therefore this doesn't say anything about african americans -- >> i don't think race had anything to do with this trial. i mean, just because he was black and george was spanish or

puerto ricoen, i think they are trying to ever race play a part in this trial. >> back with our panel, paul henderson, mark c. this woman and her husband had a book agent and shopping around about her experiencing today. she said they are not proceeding with that and has no intent with trying to proceed to get a book deal. >> every question you asked her, she answered with the defense version. every question, yes i believe the cartoon. yes, i believed -- no, he was not profiling -- >> cartoon -- >> she liked that. i don't know if that's because she actually did feel that way or once you vote not guilty, you have to -- >> not -- >> embrace -- >> and it just under skogs the importance of finding your advocate to fight for you. if it's 3-3, it's not 3-3.

if three are wall flowers and three individuals, it evers a huge difference. >> that's interesting. paul, you found that, as well? >> i found that, as well. i wanted to say one thing, i think it's interesting she rejects the concept of race because watching the trial i saw race being introduced and heard race when they talk about the neighbors that broke in, they talked about race. introduction or the attempt to bring in text messages that were false, all eluded to stereo types that were negative and i feel all of that had to do with race. >> of course. >> i never heard race addressed adequately and i do absolutely believe it affected this jury and this jurors own cognitive part is not allowing her to see it or hear it -- >> she's not the only one. how about the prosecution's -- >> our entire 10:00 hour is a town hall meeting on race and justice and we got a great panel, mark is there and jeff,

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join us one hour from now at 10:00 p.m. eastern for race and justice. it's a town hall. a great conversation about a really vital issue, especially in the wake of the zimmerman verdict. ""piers morgan live" starts now. don west. >> what is your -- >> don west. >> what is your view of him. >> uh-huh uh-huh. he lucky i'm a christian. >> in just a moment you'll hear what his partner said. i'll talk to george zimmerman's attorney, mark o'mara and a man so moved by what rachel jeantel said he wants to pay for her to go to college and juror b 37 talk