who have the influence and powers to modify the laws with left me with no verdict option other than not guilty. no other family should be forced to endure what the martin family has >> it was racial. >> understand a combative teenager. >> you listening? i had told you, are you listening? >> if that's all you know about her, you've got to see this. >> what is your view of george zimmerman? >> weak. scary. >> rachel jeantel answers every question i put to her. she even answers questions from our studio audience. >> do you feel your testimony strongly impacted the case at all? >> yes. >> in a negative way?

>> no. it might have said why she kept it too honest. >> rachel jeantel in her own words. this is "piers morgan live." i want to begin with the young woman who was on the phone with trayvon martin moments before he died. this is rachel jeantel's first interview since she testified for the trial. rachel, welcome to you. >> hi, how are you? >> you're very famous now. everybody watched your testimony. everybody saw somebody who look ed like they didn't really want to be there but also suffering from fact you lost your great friend, trayvon. tell me, first of all, your reaction to the fact that george zimmerman was acquitted. >> disappointed. upset. angry. question. and mad. >> the jury decided after a long deliberation that the

prosecution hadn't proved its case. they believe that it was trayvon on top of george zimmerman. that it was george zimmerman's voice on the tape crying out for help and that, therefore, they colluded he had acted in self-defense. what do you say to that? >> yes. just bs. >> in your heart, what do you believe happened? >> he was trying to get home. and he was. and that's the fact. >> and you know that because you were talking to him? >> yes, sir. >> one thing we didn't get in this trial, rachel, was a real sense of what trayvon martin was really like. nobody knew him better than you. how often would you talk to trayvon? >> all day. >> all day long? >> yeah, all day. >> you were telling me earlier you had phone records that were produced where it was literally all day. >> yeah, they showed me phone

records. i had to say, wow. >> all day long. you were on your bluetooth just talking to trayvon. >> i have three bluetooths. trust me, i'm never without -- >> what kind of guy was he? >> he was a calm, chill, loving person. loved his family. definitely his mother. and a good friend. >> what would you talk about? >> really what we were going to be in life. how life is going to happen. what's going on currently around that time. and around that time, it was both of our birthday had passed, so we were talking about what happened and that. >> he was a good friend to you? >> yes. >> a kind friend? >> yes. >> was he ever aggressive? >> no. >> ever see him aggressive? >> no. >> ever lose his temper? >> no.

>> he really was a calm guy? >> yes. >> so when people have tried to paint a picture of a young thug because he was in a hoodie and was walking home -- >> first of all, trayvon is not a thug. they need to know a definition of a thug. to be judging a person. a teenager, mind you, a teenager, could post anything, anything, to just brag. >> you mean the stuff on social media? >> yeah, that's just brag. it's not true. >> again, they tried to paint a picture of somebody interested in guns, took a lot of drugs. let's get to the truth about that. did he ever talk to you about guns? >> no. >> ever see him with a gun? >> no. >> what about drugs? >> drugs.

okay. weed, you say marijuana, but in my area we say weed. my area, weed, for trayvon, i can explain one thing. weed don't do, make him go crazy, it just makes him go hungry. >> but he did -- >> like, that's the best thing i can say. it make him hungry. >> did he take a lot of weed? >> no. >> how much would you say? >> like, twice a week. >> twice a week. >> yes. >> is that normal for teenagers in your community? >> yes. real normal. >> you would do the same? >> no, because i don't -- no. >> you don't take it. >> no. >> you knew trayvon did. he would tell you that. we know that there was some evidence of that in his blood. >> yes.

>> what the defense, again, tried to paint a picture of was somebody who because of the drug use that would make him more violent. >> no. that, like i said, that's b.s. that's just their opinions. that's the problem in this case. that was their opinion. >> do you think they understood the world that you and trayvon come from? >> no. >> don west gave you a very hard time. the defense attorney. >> don west. >> what is your -- what is your view of him? >> he lucky i'm a christian. >> one thing before we come on to don west, a lot of people have mocked you or they've called you all sorts of things. you know that. on twitter. i came to your defense at one stage, i found it so disgusting. they called you stupid. they were very racist to you. very racist to you. they also mocked you for the way

that you spoke. >> okay. >> now, explain to me the background to that. >> the way i speak. people, a lot of people have the same issue i have right now. okay? how i can say this. i have this situation since kindergarten, you could figure out how to speak. i have an underbite. >> which is a dental condition for your teeth. >> no, a bone. >> a bone. they got to push back. >> you had to have surgery. >> i had to have surgery to push it back. and right now i don't want to do it because it takes a year to heal. and then a lot of people have that situation. the words i can say, it can't come out right, but --

>> have you been bullied for that before? >> no. look at me no. >> so you seem to me a very different character tonight to the one we saw in court. you looked like you didn't want to be there. is that how you felt? >> it's not that i didn't want to be there, it's a lot of stress. i was dealing with a lot of stress for 16 months, i think. >> and you were grieving a friend. >> i was grieving. and i had to deal with around february, my birthday, his birthday. my mother birthday, his mother's birthdays. a lot of birthdays up in there. so death creeped me out.

i don't -- i don't do death at all. i even told my parents i'm not going to their funeral. i'm not doing none of that. i don't like funerals. >> for those who just don't know, what effect did it have on you, trayvon's death, particularly the shocking fact that you were the last person he was talking to? >> shock. it just shocked me. just, like, wow, you can't believe, like, you can't believe what just happened. you were just on, well, a minute on the phone with the person and he sound normal and then a situation happen and then i'm finding out two days later he dead.

and that i have to -- by a friend telling me, oh, do you know he died at 7:17? and i had to look at my phone, my phone say 7:16. and people got the nerve to tell me why i didn't come to that funeral. i didn't put trayvon at that funeral. i didn't put trayvon in that casket. that's what people need to understand. i did not plan for that week to be at a funeral. that day i was so shaken, like, wow, this is really happening. he really dead. >> do you miss him? >> well, yes. he is a funny person.

and the area that i raised was -- no, the area i currently stay at, the whole area miss him. that's where he hang out. that's his friends. all that. you know, they have grief. >> the juror who was interviewed tonight by anderson cooper for cnn said that she felt sorry for you, but she also said this. let's watch the clip. >> i want to ask you about some of the different witnesses. rachel jeantel. the woman who was on the phone with trayvon martin at the start of the incident. what did you make of her testimony? >> i didn't think it was very credible, but i felt very sorry for her. she didn't ask to be in this place. she didn't ask -- she wanted to go. she wanted to leave. she didn't want to be any part of this jury. i think she felt inadequate toward everyone because of her education and her communication skills.

i just felt sadness for her. >> you're uneducated, you have no communication skills, what do you feel about what that juror said about you? >> angry. upset. and then the closing, when the state closed, they try to explain what kind of person i am. you can see the kind of person i am. out of the whole thing, i never cussed out don. even during our little back -- since march i've been dealing with don west and i've been -- >> don west. you actually saw him here in the cnn -- he was here to do anderson's show.

>> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> what did that make you feel to see him again? >> i'll hold it back. the only reason i have not said nothing to don west still because my parents taught me better. that's an adult. you don't have the right to disrespect an adult. don't curse. okay, i may give attitude, you know -- >> i liked your attitude. when we come back, i want to talk to you about a particular moment, and it was discussed again with anderson with the juror tonight. the moment when we had this reference to creepy ass cracker, because that became a very famous phrase. and i want to get from you exactly what it means. the great outdoors, and a great deal.

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back now with more of my exclusive, the star witness of the george zimmerman trial,

trayvon martin's friend rachel jeantel. tweet me @piers morgan. feeling proud of rachel jeantel, dignity and grace. a lot of people saying the same something, seeing a different rachel tonight than the person they saw in the courtroom under all that stress and tension. i want to talk to you a bit more about trayvon. first of all, i want to play a clip from anderson cooper's interview with the juror, the first juror to speak out. let's watch this. >> a lot of times she was using phrases i have never heard before. and what they meant. >> when she used the phrase creepy ass cracker, what did you think of that? >> i thought it was probably the truth. i think trayvon probably said that. >> and did you see that as a negative statement or a racial statement? as the defense suggested? >> i don't think it's really racial. i think it's just everyday life.

the type of life that they live and how they're living in the environment that they're living in. >> what's your reaction to that? >> well, the jurors, they see their fact. no offense to the jury, they old. that's old-school people. we in a new school. our generation. my generation. >> let's talk about creepy ass cracker. people have said that that is a phrase used by black people, cracker, to describe a white person. is that true? >> no. like i said -- >> how do you spell it, first of all? >> cracka. >> there's no e-r. c-r-a-c-k-a. >> that's a person who act like they're a police, who, like,

security guard who acting like -- that's why i said to them, trayvon said creepy ass cracka. he thought he was acting like a policeman and keep telling me the man is still watching him. so if it was a security guard or policeman, they would come up to trayvon and say, do you have any problem, do you have a problem? do you need help? you know, like normal people. >> and if george zimmerman had done that, if he'd introduced himself as a neighborhood watch patrolman, even though he was off duty, if he'd done that, what would trayvon have said to him, do you think? >> no, i'm just trying to get home, i'm waiting for the rain to slow down so i can catch the game, the all-star game. >> that's all he wanted to do. >> yes. >> they implied he looked suspicious, trayvon was walking around looking at houses in a suspicious way. >> trust me, no. no. trayvon lazy. sorry. but, no.

>> did he ever show any interest in burglaring houses? >> what would he want to burglar for? so why would he want -- he don't know nobody there. he only know his brother, well, his stepbrother, his father, and father's girlfriend. >> when you heard the tape of george zimmerman saying that these a-holes, these fing punks, they're always getting away with it, before he has the confrontation with trayvon. what did you think was going through george zimmerman's mind when he said that? >> i'm finally going to get one. that night. >> and be honest with me, rachel. do you think that was racially motivated or more a case of somebody who he thought was a young thug? black or white? >> racial. let's be honest. racial. if trayvon was white, he had a

hoodie on, would that happen? because that was around 7:00 or something. that's around that people walk their dogs, people sit outside. all that. >> the juror tonight made it clear that the jury never really discussed race as being a motivating factor here. >> imagine. they're white. well, one, one hispanic, but she's stuck in the middle. >> five white women on the jury and one hispanic lady. >> yeah. i had a feeling it was going to be a not guilty. so -- >> because of the makeup of the jury? you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all? >> no that. they don't understand. they understand, oh, he was just bashed or he was killed. when somebody bash somebody, like, blood, trust me in the area i live, that's not bashing,

that's called whoop ass. you just got your ass whooped. >> would trayvon if he had been attacked or been confronted and he was scared, would he have whooped ass as you put it? >> whoop ass. >> would he have done that? could he have done that? would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position? >> yes. in my mind, well, in reality, trayvon, before his death, he thought i was still on the phone. i could have called out for help or something. but i wasn't on the phone. the struggle, because trayvon have an android. if you click on the android, that can end the call. and there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of trayvon to end that call. >> but you felt that there was

no doubt in your mind, from what trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracker and so on, that he absolutely believed that george zimmerman, this man you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man was pursuing him? >> yes. >> and he was freaked out by it? >> yes. definitely. for every boys, every man, every who's not that kind of way, see a grown man following them, would they be creeped out? so you got to take it as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person follow you, run away and all that. was you going to stand there? going to tell your child stay there? if you tell your child, stand there, we going to see your child on the news for missing person.

>> let's take another break. i want to come back and talk to you about this photograph of don west, the defense attorney's daughter, that she posted after your testimony which contained a very derogatory remark and they later apologized. we'll be right back to discuss this after the break. ♪ [ crashing ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast with tums. trusted heartburn relief that goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum, tum tum tum tums! nothing works faster. faso you want to save on autoof insurance?. drive a hybrid. get good grades. lose the bling. go paperless. combine policies.

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back now with more of my exclusive interview with the star witness from the george zimmerman trial, trayvon martin's friend, rachel jeantel. there was a instance after you finished, a daughter of don west who had been giving you a hard time, she posted a picture of herself eating ice cream with some friends and had the following caption she put with it. we beat stupidity celebration cones, and three hash tags. #zimmerman, #defense, and #dadkilledit. what was your reaction when you saw realized what she'd done? >> look at the picture. there are blond females. mind you, where we live, where everybody live, blonds are dumb. they say dumb things. so that's some dumb blonds. i really don't care. to me, i won. he could have won by law, trying to act like a, no offense, a

jackass, but, you know, that's him. that's he doing his job. he got to get that check. it's all about that check. >> i got a question from a member of the audience, who has this question for you. >> hi, rachel. first i wanted to say thank you so much for sharing your courage and spirit with everybody in the world after such a controversial testimony. do you feel that your testimony strongly impacted the case at all? >> yes. >> in a negative way? >> no. it might have said, why her education? or why she kept it too honest, but people -- too honest. you can't be too honest. you can't say cracker, all this.

and the jury is so shocked. what i said. and they're acting like the generation we got now don't say that. >> people, all the people just like that juror didn't believe you for whatever reason. are you an honest person by nature? >> yes. but by law, yes. >> when it came to giving your evidence -- >> yes. >> -- in a serious trial -- >> yes. >> -- you took that seriously? >> yes, because mind you, who want to be in a murder case and who want to start a murder case? you think i would make all that up to be in a murder case? never knew it was going to be nationwide. so why make that up? deal with the b.s. to get the trial. why i make that up?

like, tell me, because i ain't getting no money out of this. mind you, my mommy and daddy paying my bills. ain't nobody else. >> what is your view of george zimmerman? >> weak. scary. hiding from his father. >> why do you say that? >> if you're a real man, you would have stand on that stage and tell what happened. >> give evidence, you mean. >> yes. i understand what don's trying to say, oh, i switched it around. mind you, you keep going at me every once in a while i have an interview, i quit after the state interviewed me. that's it. but mind you, i'm a teenager. >> was there anything you wished you'd said, rachel, when you finished and went home and saw the reaction and everyone giving

you a hard time? is there anything you wished you said when you were in there? >> why? >> people, the whole world say it's a racist word. mind you, mind you around 2000, that was not -- they changed it around, i think. they started spelling it n-i-g-g-a. >> what does that mean to you? that way of spelling it? what does that word mean to you? >> that mean a male. >> a black male? >> no. any kind of male. >> black or white. >> any kind. chinese, you can say nigga. that's my chino nigga. they can say that. >> rappers use it in music. >> yes. but i advise you not to be by black people when you say. >> they're two different words

and have two different meanings in a community. >> no, in a generation. >> to young people, you mean. >> not young people. old people use that, too. >> how would you like trayvon to be remembered? because the picture that's being built now because of the acquittal of george zimmerman is trayvon martin was a young thug who had it coming to him because he jumped george zimmerman, punched him in the face, got his head, smashed it into the concrete repeatedly and was going to kill him. that is why george zimmerman pulled out a gun and shot him dead. >> that's called dramatic. that's really acting like a punk. like a real punk. be honest. >> did trayvon have that in him? >> no. no. trayvon was too quiet, and why trayvon going to run if he wanted to confront him, beat him, why would he run?

and people need to understand he didn't want that creepy ass cracka going to his father girlfriend house to go get -- mind you, his little brother was there. mind you, i told you, i told you trayvon might have been a -- rapist. parents need to stop acting dumb. if you're going to tell your child, oh, he's a stranger, oh, you tell your child one thing, run away, trying to find somebody, that's not what trayvon was doing. so why -- so why the jury, they're all parents, well, some of them are parents and they be telling their child that. now, you going to tell me you're going to tell your child to stand there? >> let me, briefly, your attorney, i haven't come to you, rob, because it's been compelling talking to rachel and

hear what she's really like, a different person than the one we saw in court in many ways. do you feel she got an unfairly hard time in terms of the reaction to the evidence she gave? >> i think she did. i thought don west was very aggressive toward her in the courtroom. to one point where judge had to back him up off of her by telling him to lower his voice and not yell at her. she received a backlash in the community. i was very disappointed that she had received such a backlash in the black community. i had read some things that, you know, some of the adults had written about her. some of the adults had said about her which i found very disturbing. and that is one of the reasons why i've taken her under my arm and really protected her from what has been happening in the media. and let me just say this, piers, for everything negative thing said about her, i've received letters, e-mails, text messages, phone calls from a number of individuals from all races, black, white, hispanic. they've written me letters

saying we support her, we appreciate the courage and the dignity that she had to be able to walk into that courtroom as a teenager and subject herself to the cross-examination of an attorney who's been practicing longer than she's been living. and that was admirable on her part. >> it was. rachel, it's been admirable of you to come in here and go through another ordeal, appearing on live television. you haven't done this before. i learned a lot more about you, a lot more about trayvon than i knew before. it's been fascinating talking to you. thank you, very much, indeed, for coming in. coming up next, my exclusive with the man who defended another high-profile crime. casey anthony. this case is not about race. thinks george zimmerman is overcharged. could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. mmmhmmm...everybody knows that. well, did you know that old macdonald

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was this case more about race than law? anderson cooper talked with one juror who said she and her fellow jurors never discussed race. >> so you don't believe race played a role in this case? >> i don't think it did. i think if there was another person, spanish, white, asian, if they came in the same situation where trayvon was, i think george would have reacted the exact same way. >> joining me exclusively, j. cheney mason who defended casey anthony. i have to ask you quickly to your reaction to the rachel

jeantel interview there. what did you make of it? >> i couldn't hear your question. you cut off. >> did you hear the interview i did with rachel jeantel, trayvon martin's friend, just now? >> yeah, i saw part of it. we were late getting here. >> i mean, she portrayed a very different kind of trayvon martin to the one that we had been led to believe by the defense. i mean, do you think that justice has been done here? >> well, i think that she clearly had, could have done a better job testifying if she had been properly prepared by the lawyers, given an opportunity to. you know, she clearly was a controversial witness, but that didn't mean she wasn't telling the truth. i'm sure it was a very foreign environment for her. she didn't want to be there, as i understand it, and she was attacked, you know, in the lawyer manner. i'll repeat, it doesn't mean she

wasn't telling the truth. one thing i did hear you say, piers, are people worried about this comment about being a cracka. let me tell you something, i'm a cracker, been one for 70 years. in florida, a cracker to us means a person that was born here. we're native to florida. there's very few of us florida crackers. less than 30% of the population. thank you very much. it has nothing to do with race. >> let me ask you, cheney, about the verdict, itself, because we talked a lot before, and i think you were edging at one stage in your mind that manslaughter may be the outcome. in the end it wasn't. we saw a fascinating insight to the jurors' minds through the anderson cooper interview, that three of them believed he was not guilty at the start. two thought he was guilty of manslaughter. one of second-degree murder. and that they all came round to an acquittal. what do you make of that? >> normal s.o.p. that's way jury deliberations

go. as you know, i've been trying criminal cases for 40 years. they never start off exactly one way. they're an intelligent, independent individual people. they review the evidence and they think what they think, and then they listen to each other. that's what's the beauty of our jury system. i mean, it's remarkable how a group of strangers can be put together and come to an answer. i can tell you, even on those cases that i have lost, i've always believed that juries get the right result, though they may get there from some of the most convoluted routes that we would never expect. but they do. so i would expect that people two and say, okay, i feel this, i feel that and then they talk about it. that's why these jurors spent, what, almost 16 hours? that's a long time to talk about a case. >> they insist -- >> that's as simple as this one. >> they insisted race played no part in their deliberation at all.

they ruled it out quickly as being a factor here. rachel jeantel felt that was not case, trayvon martin was profiled because he was young and in a hoodie. as rachel suggested, how much was the jury's decision affected by fact they were effectively an all-white jury? >> what i know, piers, is we don't know what somebody else thinks. weon't know what's in the mind of a young black man or a white person unless you are one. all we can go on is the evidence. i did not see or hear any evidence in this case that was racial. what i did see was the outside atmosphere and the media stirring of the issue has been racial from day one. from altering the 911 tape, to making it look like mr. zimmerman said he was black, when that is not what he said. and then the continued talking

heads, people polarizing based on race and what we've seen around the country. to me, that's nothing short of a damn shame. that's not a black community, a white community, that's our community. it's 2013. it's time we get over this and start dealing with the facts. you know, you go in a courtroom, we have facts and evidence. there were no facts in this case that suggest racial anything. >> cheney mason, stay with me. we're going to take a short break. i want to bring in some people who have strong opinions about this case. jeffrey toobin and charles blow, jeanne weintraub. we'll have many more questions for them and from our studio audience.

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it. >> if that went on for five more minutes, she would have her own show. i thought it was so fascinating. she's such a big personality. and i thought she gave us a picture of trayvon martin, of that night. it was just a good example of how courtrooms don't give you the full picture. i'm not sure what she said was legally all that relevant, but it just, as a journalist, i thought it was fascinating. >> i thought it was compelling too. >> i thought what was interesting to me was the way she completely took on the drugs issue for example. she said, look, trayvon took weed a couple of times a week, i never saw it make him aggressive, he used to get the munchies, very classic kind of teenage behavior for many americans. what do you think of what she was, if she'd have been more like that rachel on the stand, do you think it would have made a difference? >> i think it could have made a difference, but i think she made very interesting points. the first point that she made in

her presentation here, by just being blatantly honest. like, like painfully honest in some cases. talking about the use of racial slurs, talking about, being very open about his use of drugs. to me, as somebody watching, you constantly -- you know, i'm a journalist. i'm constantly looking at people to see where they may be holding back or may be lying. i didn't get that sense. her attorney sat right here with her, he didn't interject. she just said whatever was on her mind. and that to me leads me to believe that a person is credible. the second thing, though, is what it points to about credibility and what the juror said earlier this evening is about how that can be problematic for justice. >> there's five white woman, one of the lady who's hispanic, or we're not entirely sure, but certainly no african-american was on that panel. that has to come into play.

>> that matters particularly, if you don't register that you have a racial issue in front of you, than it's a racial problem. >> let's go to judge hatchett. judge hatchett, we saw the makeup there of the jury deliberation from start to finish. did that surprise you? and you know, my feeling about this is, i respect the jury's decision completely. that is the justice system. and i believe they operated to what they thought was the interpretation of the law of self-defense. is it the law that's the problem? >> the law is the problem, because the aggressor can then claim self-defense, if the situation changes, and then, obviously, piers, that's exactly what this jury ended up believing. but the diversity issue is a whole different question. because we're talking about a county that's 80% white. you know, maybe 11% african-american, and so it did not surprise me that we didn't have the level of diversity on this jury, that i would have liked to have seen. and i do think that that voice and that culture and that

respected of a diverse panel, of all kind of diversity is very important, in any jury deliberation, and is even minimized when you have a six must have member jury. >> what struck me was there a complete disconnect, really, between her world and rachel jeantel, and therefore trayvon martin's world. and that is where i think the makeup of the jury became really significant. they're just different worlds, different languages, don't really understand each other. >> well, absolutely. and i think it's remarkable that b-37 actually mentioned that she says she felt sorry for her, but she felt that she was telling the truth in her own way. and i think very clearly, these women looked very carefully through each one of these witnesses and evaluated them based upon, again, their own life experiences.

>> let me just go to a quick question here from arianna about the possible repercussions from this case. >> do you think that florida or any other states will be making changes or modifications to the current stand your ground law? >> jayne weintraub, do you think we'll have a change to, although stand your ground wasn't used in this case, it is prevalent in many states in america. many people think it's got to go. >> yes, i'm sure that it will be ripe for the discussion on the legislative floor. and if nothing else, piers, this case has sparked a conversation of legitimate grievances that have to be dealt with. not just in the legislature, they need to be dealt with in our home. we need to be talking to our kids about them early on. so that we don't have these tensions, so that we have understanding and tolerance. and i have one other thing -- >> just a final -- >> the republicans who took over so many states in 2010, they support stand your ground. they support gun rights, so as long as they are in charge of

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