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b-29, in a tearful plea from trayvon martin's mother not to let her son's death be in vain. juror b-29 known as maddy says she feels like she killed the teenager. a reminder today of what she and trayvon's father are living with. >> i just ask you as a mother, as a grandmother, as an aunt, an uncle, a grandfather to wrap your mind around what has happened. because i speak to you as trayvon's mother. i speak to you as a parent in the absolutely worst telephone call you can receive as a parent is to know that your son, your

son you will never kiss again. i'm just asking you to wrap your mind around that. wrap your mind around no prom for trayvon. no high school graduation for trayvon. no college for trayvon. no grandkids coming from trayvon. all because of a law, a law that has prevented the person that shot and killed my son to be held accountable and to pay for this awful crime. >> sabriybrina fulton is talkin

about florida's stand your ground law. speaking today she called for an end to it and others like it around the country. >> my message to you is, please use my story, please use my tragedy, please use my broken heart to say to yourself, we cannot let this happen to anybody else's child. [ applause ] >> at times, i feel like i'm a broken vessel. at times i don't know if i'm going or coming. but i know beyond a shadow of a doubt that god is using me and god is using my family to make a change, to make a difference. [ applause ] >> in the meantime, we heard more today from b-29. she's the one that went into the jury room wanting to convict of

the highest charge, second-degree murder and came out having voted to acquit on all charges. as you'll hear shortly, she seemed to think the jury instructions and the law itself boxed her in. talking with abc news's robin roberts, she talked about the now famous 911 call. you'll remember in her exclusive interview with anderson b-27 thought it was zimmerman screaming for help. b-29 wasn't quite so clear. >> whose voice did you think it was on the 911 call? >> i never really, really paid mind to whose voice it was, because the evidence shows that people's voices change when you're in extreme motion. >> when you-all sent that note to the judge asking for an explanation on manslaughter, what was that about? >> what we were trying to figure

out was manslaughter in order to be charged, we had to prove that when he left home, he said i'm going to go kill trayvon martin. i literally fell down on my knees. i broke down. my husband was holding me and i was screaming and crying and i kept saying to myself i feel that i killed him. i feel maybe if they would put the law and a lot of people would read it, they would understand the choices they gave us. >> juror b-29 obviously torn by the choice he made, which she believes is the only choice she had to vote for acquittal, but was it? let's ask the legal panel, benjamin crump, mark car -- mark geragos, sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin. >> you observed this juror in

the courtroom every single day, and apparently, you were pretty surprised as she was the holdout juror. why was that? >> i wasn't surprised necessarily she was the holdout juror, i was surprised she basically, wolf, said that her understanding of the law was that she had to determine that george zimmerman, when he left his home, intended to kill trayvon martin. that was shocking to me because all along during the state's case, she seemed to be listening so intently. she seemed to understand the arguments so well, and she in particular when listening to the jury instructions was so attentive. so i was very surprised that she seemed to have just a misunderstanding of the law. that really surprised me. >> i'm sure it surprised a lot of people. caroline, you're a jury consultant. let me play sound from this juror 29 talking about those specific jury instructions. listen to this. >> for myself, he's guilty

because the evidence shows he's guilty. >> he's guilty of? >> killing trayvon martin. but as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't find -- you can't say he's guilty. >> so caroline, you have a lot of experience, obviously, with jury instructions and jurors. are you surprised that she appears to be, well, if you believe what sunny says, a little confused about what the law is? >> you know, i'm not surprised at all. what we do is we give them jury instructions. the judge reads it, which is not the best way for anybody to comprehend something that's full of legal jargon, a double speak, compound sentences, double negatives and then we tell them to go off and do a good job. it's like reading your tax form. you try and understand it, but you're not necessarily equipped to do it in the manner we give

jurors -- the way we deliver it. and when the prosecution doesn't explain, and i even blew it up. the wording is it's not necessary for the state to prove that george zimmerman had an intent to cause death. so what she needed, this juror needed to be armed with or supplied with this instruction but again, just because we read it and just because we give them a set, doesn't mean they understand. they often don't. >> because there were verbal instructions from the judge, but also, the 27-page document that apparently they all had they could study inside that jury room. mark, you know, is this the fault of prosecution for the confusion, shall we say, that the jury would go away not completely understanding of the role of intent in a possible verdict? >> well, the jury, frankly, reached the right verdict based on what they were presented with. the fault here lies with the

prosecution because the prosecution did not do their job. the prosecution failed miserably in this case for a number of reasons. number one, they did not explain the jury instructions, instead, they decided to act like first year public defenders and get engaging in drama and think that was going to bring home a verdict for them, which was just none sense. anybody whose been in a courtroom and tried cases will tell you what jurors want -- first of all, during jury selection the case is over. then you arm the jurors with the jurors that you at least think will be with you. you arm them with the arguments and the law in your closing so that when they go back into that jury room, they are going to be able to convince the others of what your position is. that's what the defense did. that's why what the defense did was so masterful. that's why this prosecution, frankly, was abismil.

>> mark was half right, better than his average. the prosecution did make a mistake -- >> just remember, jeff, you were 100% wrong all the way during this trial. so i'll give you -- >> that's not true, anyway. >> that's true, you were better than sunny was. >> thanks, thank, mark. >> the prosecution did make a big mistake in closing about not addressing the jury instructions in a more direct way, however, the fact is the evidence matters, and there was not a lot of evidence here where the prosecution could point to saying that george zimmerman committed this crime. >> i want to bring ben crump into this conversation, and benjamin, you spoke about how frustrating it's been to hear from two jurors now, who have both said basically they were confused by the jury instructions. let me play a little bit more from the juror on that. listen to this.

>> i was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. i was. i fought until the end. >> do you have regrets that you didn't? >> kind of. i mean, i'm the only minority and i felt like i let a lot of people down. >> all right. what's your reaction to that benjamin? >> we can't do anything, unfortunately, now to sybrina and tracy's terrible disappointment and hold the killer of their son responsible but change the stand your ground laws so nobody else will reach the verdict in these matters. i respectfully disagree. i do think there was evidence there to hold george zimmerman accountable. it was very clear when you looked at the evidence and you took away any of the rhetoric from the prosecutor or defense and look at trayvon martin was running away from him and minutes later he has a bullet in

his heart. that's why people are so troubled by this finding because it set a precedence that you can but the pursuer, aggressor and say you stood your ground. it was self-defense. it makes no sense to us and if you try to divorce yourself of passion, but the prosecutor said it right, you reverse the roles, nobody is going to stay -- this is where i agree with mark. it was jury selection that the case was won or lost, unfortunately, because nobody took the perspective of trayvon martin that he was fighting for his life, that he went to his grave not knowing who was this strange, creepy man following him. >> the jurors near the end of the dell ratia liberations aske clarification on manslaughter and the judge said read the document again. if you want clarification, you got to ask specific questions. the jurors apparently never came back with a specific question

and as a result may have been confused. jeffrey, go ahead. >> this under lines a real problem with the legal system, which is that jury instructions as a rule are often incomprehensible to ordinary people. i mean, you read these words, the reasonable, intention, you know, double triple negatives in the same sentence. it's very hard to understand. but appeals courts are very sensitive to mistakes in jury instructions. that's why they are so piled in leg lees. so what the trial judge did, what happens often. the trial judge didn't want to try to explain the instructions in a way that might be become an error, so she just said read them again. i am very sympathetic to maddy for not understanding them but unfortunately, she really didn't understand them because she seems to be wrong about a lot of the things on the jury instructions but unfortunately, this happens often. >> jeff, hold that thought. everyone stay there. i want to pick up the

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>> we're talking tonight about zimmerman juror b-29 second thoughts about casting a not guilty vote, letting george zimmerman get away with, what she says murder. she saws the law left her no choice and told robin roberts she wants trayvon martin's parents to know she's sorry. >> what would you like to say to trayvon martin's parents? >> i would like to apologize because i feel like i let them down. i didn't know how much importance i was into this case because i never looked at color, and i still don't look at color. >> back with our panel now.

the jurors apparently, they were divided completely going in after hearing all of the trial. they went in ask three of them thought not guilty at the beginning, two thought guilty of manslaughter, one of second degree murder and in the end they concluded not guilty. so what happened during those 16 hours or whatever deliberations, ben, may have been the result of some confusion but go ahead and weigh in. >> no, i think you're absolutely right, wolf. they were confused, and i think lawyers have different styles, one of my style is to empower the jury, your vote is your vote. you don't have to justify your vote to other members of the panel. you can say i feel this way. i have an abiding conviction in my heart that he should be found guilty, but for some reason, the three people who thought not guilty, felt they had to somehow justify themselves to the other

members of the panel, and i think that is something that the lawyers have to do a better job of, especially if you're trying to make people stick to their guns. i know she asked for an -- she's wanting to apologize to trayvon's parents and as christians they have to accept the apology, but as they said and everybody i've heard say they wish she would have fought harder. >> let me let mark weigh in on this point. i know, mark, you think the prosecution did a horrible job. what about the judge? when they asked for clarification on manslaughter, she said give me a specific question, otherwise re-read the 27-page document and i read it several times. you read one page you say guilty. you head tread the next page an say not guilty. it's confusing. you are practicing attorneys so you know but to everyone out there your head can get dizzy with that. >> the problem with getting into an interactive discussion with

jurors as they deliberate, that's a recipe for an appeal let reversal. if she asked any question that in any way guided the jury or arguably guided the jury to get to a guilty verdict that would be right for an appellant lawyer. what she did, she did what the lawyers agreed to. the lawyers got together, both the prosecution and the defense and they gave her a response, which she blessed. they did not do that. they tried their case for the tv cameras. they tried their case for sunny hostin. they did not try it for the juror who was in there who needed, as to borrow mben's lin, to be empowered, their vote was as important as anybody's vote. think didn't do it. they were in lala land the entire time. >> that's not fair. the prosecution had the evidence to support a second degrew

murder conviction manslaughter conviction. i agree with mark. i think where they failed miserably is they did not humanize trayvon martin in front of this jury. i mean, after the verdict, i spoke to sybrina fulton and interviewed her and the world found out that trayvon martin was an excellent science and math student and went to camp and studied to be a pilot with the world's first african american pilot that flew solo around the world. why didn't the jury hear about that -- >> why -- >> sunny, why isn't the answer? >> i think the prosecution failed. >> the other -- >> in that regard. >> the prosecution did fail not only in not humanizing him and both jurors that we heard from post deliberation have told us they both said even though they came from different angles, give us a better menu. you're giving us the evidence but i'm having trouble lining up

one column with the other and tells us a lot about not understanding with the mountain of evidence and jury instructions, hows prosecution failed to give them proper instructions that they could understand. >> jeff, you said along, as uncomfortable you were with the verdict, it was the right verdict. listen to what this juror told abc news about that. >> i'm thinking to myself did i go the right way? did i go the wrong way? i know i went the right way because by the law and the way it was followed, it was the right but but if i used my heart i probably would have went a hung jury and believe it with all my heart because i do -- i do have kids. >> they were sequestered and didn't know what was going on outside of that courthouse, and to me, it sounds like this woman, this juror, after the not guilty verdict, the last few days, last few weeks, all of a

sudden she realized the angry reaction out there and it's had an impact on her. >> i think that's a huge part of what you're hearing. remember, they were picked in part because they had not followed this case closely in the news. so they were not familiar this was a big news story 18 months ago when it happened. they are picked for the jury and sequestered. there is an acquitted and the president of the united states discussing it and protests from new york to los angeles and the jurors are understandably traumatized by that. i think that's what you're seeing a reaction to in maddy's interview as much as to the evidence in the case. remember, one more point about this idea there were three for not guilty and three for some sort of conviction, that's very common when you have a jury beginning deliberations. there is nothing wrong with jurors changing their mind in the course of deliberations. that's why they deliberate and talk to each other. so i don't think we can take

that as evidence that something went wrong in these deliberations. that's how the process is supposed to work. >> all right. guys, unfortunately we have to leave it right there. sunny hostin, thanks to you, ben minute crump, jeffrey toobin, mark gaeragosgeragos, thanks fog us. trayvon martin was hardly the first young african american whose killing touched off a storm. the police shoot sg of an unarmed and handcuffed young man in the bay area and the powerful new movie it inspired. the film's remarkable young director joins us. also, coming up, pa passenger's view of the crash landing at new york's laguardia airport. what the passenger saw as the plane touched down and the nose gear collapsed. om a d th then you'll know how uncomfortable it can be. [ crickets chirping ] but did you know that the lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? [ exhales deeply ]

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we've just gotten a unique view of monday's crash landing of a southwest airlines boeing 7 37 at new york's laguardia airport. it was uploaded on youtube. you're looking out the window as the plane descents on runway four. it landed nose first according to an early ntsb report. the nose gear apparently hitting first. the plane scraping along the runway, a number on people were hurt. full investigation now underway.

let's go to spain next, a passenger's account on what it was like to be on the train and the seconds of terror that foll follow. a survivor of this wreck liveed to tell us about it, 75 others did not. the train driver or engine near as called in the united states is being detained tonight and carl is on the scene tonight. carl, we're learning details about the driver of the train. what can you tell us? >> reporter: he certainly was a veteran, veteran train driver. he had been working for 30 years with the state rail way come pan hee and had experience probably over the last ten years or so driving this type of train, wolf. we also know, of course, now he's in formal police detention, and they are accusing him of crimes relating to this accident, wolf. >> were there also reports,

carl, that his now delealed facebook page showed him bragging about driving trains at very high speeds, is that right? >> reporter: it certainly does appear clear from his facebook this is a man for a zest for speed. he posted pictures of the spe speedometer on these trains but that's no inference of wrongdoing. these trains are designed for speed. these trains do go fast, and he is the driver of a fast train. but it's something the investigators will closely be looking at, was the driver at this point on the track going too fast or the conditions, wolf. >> do we actually know, carl, how fast the train was going when it crashed? it was traveling over the speed limit? >> reporter: the state rail way company said while the investigation is on going, it will not reveal how fast that train was going. what we do know, that on this curve on this section of the track, the speed limit for that

train is 45 miles an hour. we've seen the video of the moment of the crash. the train certainly looks to be going a lot faster than that at that stage. but it's not what the train driver says. there were block boxes on that train. the judges are looking now and maybe they will come up with an answer soon, wolf. >> we'll wait and see. thanks. 218 people were on the train's passenger manifest. several injured were americans including 18-year-old steven ward, a missionary. amazing you can be with us after what you went through. first of all, how are you feeling? >> feeling about as good as i possibly could given how i look, thank you. >> what can you tell us about the train ride, the leadup to that horrible crash? >> well, i mean, a long story is

it had been five long hours. the short story, the train was going fast, we had a few sharp curves already and right when it finally did happen, we hit one sharp curve and you could feel the wheels pick up off the ground. like a roller costar ride learning to one side. it didn't feel like it was dangerous. it just felt like wow, this is different. it was like that for one or two seconds and half a second, luggage falling and the train completely left the tracks and i blacked out before i hit the ground. >> before the crash you saw something that showed how fast the train was going and the number i take it surprised you. >> i don't have the best eyesight and i was sitting far away from the screen but there was a little screen that just had the date, time, temperature, destination and the speed. and for most of the trip it had said about 100 kilometers on hour and i looked up i don't remember ten seconds or two minutes before hand but close to

the time and i thought it said 194 kilometers per hour. i could have been wrong but it could have said 194. >> were you near the front of the train or the rear of the train? >> i was in car number eight. the train was moving backwards regard to the number of cars so one was the final car. when we left the original station, there were at least 20 cars, but i don't know if we left some at various stops along the way. >> i don't want you to talk about anything you're not comfortable with, but can you take us through what it was like as you were going around the curve, you know, only seconds before the crash and then what happened during the crash and only if you feel comfortable discussing it. >> it was only one or two seconds between the time you could feel the train start to leave and between me losing consciousness. i honestly did not have the time to realize i think i might be about to die, or i think we might be crashing.

just whoa gravity is pulling me sideways towards the win dopes. there wasn't time to be skarpca or scream. it was relatively calm. >> so what was it like immediately after the train derails. it crashes into that wall. you are obviously were in your seat but there were no seat belts on trains, so what happened? >> so i thought it was a dream as i woke up. i had been asleep and i assumed i fell asleep again. the first thing i remember -- first of all, my train car ripped apart from one next to it. so i was helped out of a door rather than a window. the first thing i remember is somebody helping me through that door. i don't remember who it was. if i did, i would thank them. they helped me out. the part of train i was at was in a little ditch next to the wall. they helped me out of the ditch 2 or 3 feet and i sat there for a good 30 seconds looking around. they were helping other people out and i began to think to

myself, i think this is real life. i don't think i'm asleep and it began to dawn on me something horrible happened. >> tell us about your injuries. we see the neck brace. what injury ds you suffer? >> so i came off much, much less injured than many of the people on the train, if which i'm grateful. as you can see i have the neck brace, staples in two places on my scalp, one over my eye and one on my chin. i've got a bad bruise on one leg and scrapes and scratches all over my body, but i'm eternally grateful for the fact i have nothing that won't heal by itself. i didn't need surgery, and it doesn't look like i will and in two about weeks i can get the neck brace off and live a normal life. >> that sounds encouraging. i know you're just beginning your mission for the morman church in spain. are you going to continue that two-year mission in europe or heading back to utah? >> i'm very much planning on

continuing to serve my trip for the church on ladder day saints and jesus chris. sometimes things just happen you don't expect, but i feel i have the strength to stay out and volunteer and serve and work my hardest to the bitter end. >> how does your family at home think about that? >> i called them a couple times and so far as i can tell, they are proud of me and glad i'm safe and i'm glad they are taking it relatively well. i think we're glad i'm alive and relatively uninjured at this point. >> we're glad about that, as well. steven ward, good luck to you and thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you very much for having me. >> just ahead, aerial kals stri agrees to a plea deal. we'll see what the deal entails and the staggering prison term he'll receive. a big development in the murder racketeering and ex portion trial of the alleged boston mobster whitey bulger.

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crime and punishment, in an ohio courtroom today as ariel

castro pled guilty to more than 900 counts with kidnapping, rape, assault and aggravated for a miscarriage one victim had. he'll be sentenced to life in prison plus 1000 years life in parole ever but no death sentence. the three women will not have to testify against him. our gary tuchman was inside the courtroom as the hearing unfolded. >> reporter: with glasses on his nose, a shuffling ariel castro walked into a courtroom, shackles on legs and handcuffs on his wrist and plea deal agreements in his head. >> are you fully aware of the terms and do you consent to the plea agreement? >> i'm aware and concert to it. >> do you understand by vir few of the plea you will not be having a trial? >> i'm aware of it. >> reporter: amanda berry gave

birth to a daughter while in captivity. castro stunned the courtroom when he said this during the courtroom. >> i would like to say that i miss my daughter very much. >> reporter: that daughter named jocelyn is now six years old. the three woman victimized, wanted to avoid testifying at the trial scheduled to start a week from monday. after the plea deal was reached, they issued a statement saying they are relieved by today's plea and are looking forward to having theseless l proceedings draw. >> i don't necessarily -- >> reporter: but on this day castro was talkative and appeared uninterested and weird at times. >> when i got arrested and interviewed, i told mr. -- to dave i was willing to work with the fbi and i would tell them

everything. i knew i would get the book thrown at me. there is some things that i don't have to comprehend because of my sexual problems throughout the years. i was also a verdict as a child and it just kept going. >> that is certainly something you can bring up at your sentencing hearing. >> reporter: the victims will be permited to make statements at the sentencing hearing, the hearing that will end the legal case of ariel castro. >> gary tuchman is joining us and the three victims were not in court today. there l they be in court on thursday for the official sentencing? >> reporter: well, we know castro will make some statements, so these three victims have every right to do it, also. verdict impact statement. they don't have an obligation but it's a right. it may be tough for them to do that but often therapists say it's therapeutic to do and they

will have the support of an entire city and country if they do. >> did the judge respond when castro said he misses his daughter? >>. >> reporter: the judge did not issue a response but prosecutors later said there is a zero percent chance that castro will get any visitation rights with 6-year-old jocelyn. >> gary tuchman, thanks for your excellent, excellent reporting. we're following more tonight. isha has a 360 bulletin, isha? >> lawmakers in new york agreed to compensate people sterilized against their will. more than 7,000 people were forcibly sterilized over 45-year period. if the governor signs the legislation, each verdict will receive about $50,000. in boston, federal prosecutors rested their case today against james whitey bull jer, an alleged former mob boss charged in the deaths of 19 people and extortion, racketeering and money

laundering. they called 63 witnesses to the stand. and wolf, it's party time in north korea. the country is celebrating the 60s anniversary that end the korean war. there will be more on the celebration throughout the weekend. wolf, i know you visited north korea recently, one of the few foreign journalist to do so. >> they know how to throw a party and are doing it now. but there is serious stuff going on including a lot of tension. we'll check in with our reporters all weekend. isha thanks very much. before trayvon martin, there was oscar grant whose fatal shooting was captured on cell phones. he was unarmed and his killer served a year in prison. a film about the 2009 shooting is getting ready to open this weekend and it couldn't be more timely. it's ryan ku gler's first film and generating oscar buzz.

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director by first buck ground. the officer was charged with murder and would be convicted. a warning, the shooting itself was caught on tape. the images may be tough to watch. >> reporter: the video is shot from a distance but what happens is unmistakable. >> let him go. >> reporter: multiple cell phone cameras rolled at the bart station as police handcuffed four young men in 2009. the men were seated, at least one handcuffed. police forced 22-year-old oscar grant to the ground face down, hand coughing him. officer draws when he says he thought was his taser, but listen. it was his handgun. >> you just shot him. >> reporter: the point blank shot by the white officer into the back of the unarmed oscar grant killed him. violent and fiery protest

erupted in the wake of grantest death and cries of police brutality against african american men. the officer was arrested and charged with murder. the city was river vetted with the trial and then came the verdict. guilty of a lesser charge, involuntary manslaughter. the nerve touched again. that was 2010, and the officer is now a freeman spending less than a year behind bars. here in oakland oscar grant's death represents the worst of gun violence and racism. his case may be over but the problem is not. today's oscar grant has a new name, trayvon martin. >> oscar grant's death resignated deeply with ryan kugler, a film student home on christmas break during the time. he grew up in the same part of california as grant and remembers thinking it could have been me on that train platform.

he decided he had to tell grantest stogrant e 's story and has. forest whitaker signed on as producer and michael b. jordan plays grant. much of the film focuses in on grant's relationship with his family and friends, including his young daughter. here is the moment when grant leaves her for the last time. >> i'm scared. >> scared of what? >> i hear guns outside. >> you know what, baby? those are just firecrackers. you're safe inside with your cousins. >> what about you, daddy? >> me? baby, i'm going to be fine. >> the film doesn't portray grant as a saint in real life. he was an ex conakocon and devod

loving father. listening what happened to oscar grant it's difficult not to think of trayvon martin. one key difference between what happened to these two young men that you highlight in the film is there were witnesses to oscar's death and not only witnesses but witnesses with camera phones. how much of a difference do you think that made? >> i mean, i think it's a big difference. i'm sorry to say we made the film not having the intention to have it released when this verdict came out with this case, and my prayers go out to tr trayvon's family. therefore, one group of people oes word against somebody not with us, which is a situation we saw happen in florida. >> another big difference clearly was that oscar was shot by a police officer, not a say vin y -- civilian, isn't that right.

>> oscar was shot by someone with a badge and uniform and had the weapon unconcealed. i saw a big difference in what happened with trayvon martin. >> how big of a role do you think race played in oscar's death. in other words, do you believe he would have been shot like he was had he been white? >> i mean, there's no -- there's no way for me to say that. i think how oscar looked and his appearance had a big role in him being apprehended and being pulled off the train that day. it's hard for me to say if race was the exact cause of that. but i can definitely say it played a role in him being detained and how people look is a role how they are judged and apprehended when it comes to law enforcement. >> let me show our audience ryan a clip from the fight scene. watch this. >> oscar? >> oscar, what is up? >> get -- >> you're causing a riot.

go, go, go. >> there is an incident on the train. >> ryan, the way you portray oscar, he's not a man without faults. he's lost his job, been in jail, he's a sometime drug dealer with a bit of a temper. i think about the facts about trayvon martin that came out over the course of the trial, his alleged use of pot for example, his fighting supposedly. is it hard for people to sympathize when bad things happen to i'm perfect people? what do you think -- in other words, is it easier for them when the good guys are all good, the bad guys are all bad? >> i mean, i think for me, the big thing that this film was about is humanity and as human beings, we have flaws and pluses and minuses. for a lot of people in this country, young african american

males, we're seeing the minuses, our faults. often times people will see us and judge us and make assumptions about us that are criminal and they see us as criminals and thugs as opposed to full human beings. we should be judged as full human beings. what is happening with black on black crimes and officers-involved shooting we need to focus on stopping these things happening before once those lives are lost because once those lives are lost, we can't get those human beings back. >> the film fruit vale station and ryan kugler. tonight?you like too ♪ [ male announcer ] it's a golden opportunity to see how lexus effortlessly connects you to where you're going. ♪ come to the golden opportunity sales event and experience the connectivity of lexus enform, available on all lexus models, including the es and rx. ♪

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