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italy is the first european country, but in fifty place, with 49 million catholics. i will see you next week, stay tuned for reliable sources. a new sexting scandal surfaces at the height of anthony weiner's bid to become new york's next mayor. >> i love him, i forgive him, i believe in him. and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. >> was the media spoon-fed -- an heir to the british throne in born, breaking news on both sides of the atlantic. william, kate and the newest world "meet the press" and the king of iron any.
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al jazeera america is coming soon to a channel near you, a fresh new voice or an outlier on the dial? an house of cards scores big as netflix basks in more than a dozen emmy nominations. how netflix is transforming television. well, call it déjà vu all over again. for the second time in two years, anthony weiner is at the center of a sex scandal. a gossip website, thedirty.com, you probably read that every day. they posted some lewd chats and pictures, the new york mayoral candidate faced the media on tuesday. >> when you said there was more out there, you didn't say there was more out there from the point after you resigned in june of 2011. how do you explain that?
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>> i can't say exact. what >> what do you say about those people who want you to dropout? >> for the new york media and the rest of us, it couldn't get any weirder than this, the tabloids ran wild. the media focused on his skinninging fortunes, and his wife's decision to stand by her man. new revelations this morning that anthony weiner's wife almost left him, why did she stay? >> the question is why does she stand by him with something like this? >> it seems like what houma is saying, voters, you can trust him because i have forgiven him. >> anthony weiner's campaign manager has quit. two people who have written
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about this unsavory story. erol, let me start with you, since you have been covering this story, it's weird, it's been unsavory, but what's the toughest part of reporting it? >> you have to parse every word that anthony weiner says. he has come to the press and lied repeatedly, that happened back in 2011 and as part of his redemption process and trying to get back on the campaign trail, he has said, well, look, that's behind me and i'm starting a new chapter and i want to have a different kind of a conversation. it tongurns out that he continu to mislead. there's something called lying by omission and it's arguable that something like that has just happened. >> lying by omission and lying by commission. >> were the media just romanced by this guy? an analogy of sin, apology and
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redempti redemption? >> everybody wants redemption, but i don't think that -- readers wanted to know the inside story. i mean, you know, let's not eliminate the voierrism here. so, yes, they were talking about redempti redemption, but it was the first time we heard him speak so it was a very interesting story. do i think the media was totally duped? i think there was a little skepticism. but you don't know. you do have the text. >> and you have the sub text. the new yorker had a field day with a cover story that kind of makes you smile, but also makes you cringe. there you go, you can read into what you want. how do you grade the media for coverage? >> i think the media gets a b and what we have is something that happens on the road during rush hour is that every individual driver is doing what
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he or she was supposed to do. what it has resulted in is these gigantic scrums where a candidate is out there trying to talk to supporters and there's 20 or 30 cameras, it distracts from what serious campaign coverage should look like. >> there's an element here, or a moment here where he might actually be a serious candidate, where he was bumping up in the polls. >> even now he is polling second, even now there are people who defend him, even now he's got upwards of $4 million to spend on paid advertising. even now he's making media and community appearances until today, sunday. his name will appear on the ballot no matter what he does.
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he is a candidate, there are other candidates in the race who would love to have his polling numbers by the way. it's way to soon to count him out. >> there's been a parade of editorials that -- >> wiener should take his marital troubles and personal compulsions out of the race for mayor of new york city. the "new york daily news," he's not fit to lead america's premier city. are these editorial opinions having any inpact? do the editorial pages lead, reflect public opinion or are they utterly er rel lant. >> the guy is running for mayor of the most important financial center in the world. the coverage to this point was meredith. and i think that wiener himself
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made it a spectacle. but if you look between friday and today, it actually has toned down and that's because his polls are lowering. we caring less. >> they have a quite serious impact, the one you showed from the "new york daily news." it was a front page editorial. there was a poll taken and his approval has been cut in half. to it's definitely playing a role. but you have to keep in mind, we have a runoff policy. all he has to do is play second in a situation where nobody else gets 40%. he's still poised to be able to do that if he gets a couple of strokes of luck. >> anthony wiener isn't the only one in the media cross hairs, his wife, what's wrong with you, you wrote about this, you said abbadeen is no longer a victim. she's a smart discrete -- is it
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fair to zero in on her in all of this? is this her story? and how much does the hillary clinton connection bump her to 100% coverage. >> it's fair because she has put herself in the middle of this story. >> she's not the candidate. >> but she's made herself a prop in the redemption. she did all the magazine pieces, and when she chose to speak, she did not speak in 2011, she said i love him, i trust him so you should trust him. the clinton thing plays a big part of this because she is very close to hillary clinton. and this is not good for the clintons. this is not good for every story to compare this tawdry situation to what happened to bill clinton and hillary. >> erol, the last word from you, where does this story go from here and what does it say about new york and the new york media? >> where it goes from here is anybody's guess. we're like anybody else, you have to cover the candidates, you have to take them at their word until you know otherwise, you have to dig and go behind
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their statements, try and present the truth to your audience. we have all tried to do that even under these very strange circumstances. and then when the editorial boards kick in, and they try to make a judgment about how people should interpret all of this information, they're doing their job do. >> thanks for doing your job. and for those of you who want a serious take on the new york city race, smile, it says, one of you is going to be the next mayor of new york. it's the "new york times" magazine section this week and it has a good, deep dive on the personalities and the substance of the new york mayoral race. the duchess of cambridge gives birth to the next generation of royalty. it touches off a media frenzy, was coverage of the royal baby over the top? ♪
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waiting when it comes to the royal birth. >> i know what it feels like to be a statue or a monument, because we have become like a tourist attraction. >> someone says or hears or think that is hair something, we all jump. >> one reporter outside of the hospital admitted the truth. >> reporter: plenty more to come from here, none of i news because that will come from buckingham palace. >> now to tell us about the coverage of the royal birth. so welcome to all of you, thank you very much. tim, i would like to start with you, you wrote a piece entitled royal baby sparks media circle outside hospital. here's what you wrote, there are a few crumbs to be thankful, it hasn't rained. and the hospital allows to use it's lews. that's it. why so much focus on a royal
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baby? >> it was madness, what can you say? the only point i would make is that it's very easy to create a media circus, i started to go there about two weeks before kate went into hospital because i had to be there for each of our news shows, and once you start going, you can't stop. it was a crazy thing, there was so much rumor, so much speculation, when would she go in and so on. but you have to be in it to win it. i was not the first, there were some networks that had been down there more than two weeks by the time it happened. but it's very easy to make yourself look very stupid. >> how are the ratings? are people interested in this? >> our ratings were very, very high for the day that it happened. we got a 37% share which is enormous. and however cynical you want to be about the royal family and i have only been covering them for
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four years and i am fairly cynical, i'll be honest with you. the reality is that people love it. they love it in the states, and they love it here. >> "time" magazine, you're covering this thing as well. i want to put up a private eye cover story, or magazine cover. this is big, really big. woman has baby. >> yep. >> why are we so fascinated by the royal family? >> well, you see, there are good reasons to be fascinated by the royal family. you name me any other institution in this day and ages that can regularly bring hundreds and thousands of people on to the street, not in protest, but in celebration. this is an extraordinary institution, it is one of the great role models for change management. it is peculiar an, exciting,
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bizarre, weird. but the way in which the royal baby coverage was handled, and he's been to modest to say that his station actually won the ratings war in this country. but for many people it went from bump to slump. as i'm sure you know in america, the ratings were not good, they were not good in australia. >> why do you think the ratings weren't so great in america? >> it depends on where we're talking about. fox and nbc got a first trimester bump. a small one, barely noticeable. but cnn is doing more human interest stories, particularly in a nonelection. and they preeveryonary 10:00 p.m. show. the bottom line in america, it was embraced, i think, americans
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love reality tv, they yearn for camelot, so what royal family do we have left? >> we kicked these people out 100 years ago. we still yearn for the class of maybe the brits. the royal family are the bushes, the clintons and the kardashians starring special guests kanye west and northwest. so we have to go across the pond to get that class and dignity that americans don't see with the kennedys being an after thought and the bushes being the only royal family left. >> tim, there's a real irony here as william brought his new baby out and his wife to meet the media, the same media he blames in many ways for the death of his mother. but now he is and his family is in the focus and the glare and they will never climb out of it because they've got this child and obviously there's so much more. what do you make of all of that and how does this coverage
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accommodate his concerns and sensitivities? >> william is becoming far more friendly with us than he was. you have to bear two things in mind. there are those of us who cover the royal family on a regular basis. think for example of the white house press corps, the regulars. our critics would call us sycophants, but then around the edge are the paparazzi who make a lot of money like the photo we saw of kate, in the south of france, besides the swimming pool, topless, we don't do that. and william and kate have recognized this. >> here in the united states t president of the united states barack obama and his wife and presidents before them recently have asked the media to stay out of their children's private lives and they pretty well obeyed or adhered to that.
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how is it going to be be the royals? are the paparazzi going to dial it back, do you think? >> we will almost entirely, we will do as we are asked. we will not hang out around parks to see if kate's walking the baby or if she's going shopping with him or anything like that. we will structure ourselves to strictly public events. >> can i also say that there was a game changer here in the hackihack ing sandal. the hacking scandal didn't -- that has caused also a re-evaluation from the tabloid side from how the royals are going to be covered. it may not last. >> joe, last question to you on this one. do you think that this new generation, this next generation of royal gives a new generation
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of coverage to this fascinated american audience you talk about? >> i think so, because kate and will -- >> you think we'll see more specials on cable television? >> these two people and eventually the baby are so likable, they're like the opposite of the wieners. therefore i don't think that they're going to after kate because these people are so likable. and you have that dj that forced that nurse to commit suicide, it made the media think, let's not screw with these guys, because they are so likable, we don't want to be seen as harassing. >> joe, good luck with your royal baby on the way, i understand that's well in progress. i'll close with this one point, a letter to the editor in the "washington post" from harry fox well, fairfax, virginia. he write this is about the royal baby. please relegate all of --
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endless nitpicking on how to address the new offspring to the inner pages of the style section, reserve the front pages, he writes, for important news. when we come back, will al jazeera become important news and become a reliable source? 50 million american homes are about to find out as al jazeera america gets ready to launch. ♪ [ female announcer ] when your swapportunity comes, take it. ♪ what? what? what? [ female announcer ] yoplait. it is so good. "that starts with one of the world's most advancedy," what? what? distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers," "eliminating costly markups," "and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country." "when you see our low prices, remember the wheels turning behind the scenes,
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its american news channel next month. the network has used big promises and big bucks to lure prominent personalities. will al jazeera america veer from the mother ship's editorial brand in order to gain a foothold and maybe even incur favor in the. >> it's great to have you here. let me ask you just flat out, what do you expect from al jazeera america? >> i expect them to put on the air a product that is much more traditional television news than any of their competitors, which is that it's going to be filled with reports from the scenes from news is happening, and a lot of these reports are going to be video packages rather than as we call them in the business
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live two-ways. i think that they're going to try to compete for an american audience by giving them more traditional news per hour than any of the other news channels, including cnn. >> they are pumping millions, hundreds of millions of dollar into this enterprise. i have a map here of where they're going to open bureaus up in the united states. they range from seattle and san francisco to new orleans and miami and nashville, tennessee and even detroit which just declared bankruptcy. what are they doing? >> what they're doing is they're trying to flood the country with bureaus and reporters who will be able to get to any scene and will be rooted in a lot of american communities because, as i say, the hallmark of their brand is we are on the scene with real reportage. the american news channels have
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tended to substitute studio discussion or live reports from the scene in which the reporter literally has his back to the story because his face is, as mine is now, towards the camera. so i think al jazeera is going to try and outreport its competition and hope that strikes a cord with american viewers. >> you left al jazeera in 2008, under a cloud. you said this is not the network i joined, you were not approving of the kind of journalism they were reporting. and in fact al jazeera america is going to confront a huge problem in this country is that a lot of people who don't know it think that it's the enemy, for lack of a better term. is that a problem? is that an issue? >> i have to say the image issue is valid. they did not have a lot of authentic american reporting and that sometimes they tended to
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substitute attitude for reporting. after i left, and by the way, i have been making these criticisms in house for a considerable period before i left and after i left it continued to be a slap in the face. and many of the things i have question questioned, they have responded to and the quality of reporting on al jazeera english from the united states has him proved. frankly i think they outreport all of the other news channels, including cnn international and bbc, simply because they have got more reporters on the skaeng doing more video packaged reports than other networks. >> i stood across the fence from my neighbor who was having an iced tea or something who said
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i -- they seem to already have made something of a mark, when going with the old current tv and getting into 50 million house holds. i wonder what they're going to become a real presence on the news zdial. >> current tv may have had access to 50 million homes, but it was from a far outside position on channel dial, they would be channel 544, whereas cnn might be 24. there's also going to be a standard deaf channel and a lot -- they're also reporting in high deaf. if you're looking for serious reporting, there's a place to go. >> there's another side of this debate that's fascinating.
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it's a debate that al jazeera might actually be toning down its dis'itinct voice to come in and curry favor here. is that a danger? >> i don't know that danger is the right word. but will they play to their market? of course they will. al jazeera arabic has a slightly different editorial stance from al jazeera english, which has a different ed -- and al jazeera america will have its own slightly unique editorial stance. in fact one of the things that i'm curious about is once america no longer watches al jazeera english, once their market is the whole english speaking world minus the u.s., is that going to be reflected in
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editorial judgments? but i think that the american channel is going to be mostly run by americans specifically for an american audience and you'll see that reflected in their editorial content. >> they brought in a new president of the channel. they brought in a new editorial scholarshiper of the ship. they brought in some prominent names. what's that tell you about their prospects on the dial? final thought. >> well, that they want to address an american audience with familiar faces and familiar voices in an authentically american way and i think that they're going to do that. >> dave marash, great to see you, we'll watch together and then we'll compare notes. >> look forward to it. ahead on "reliable sources."
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>> i didn't say that. >> you're parsing my words. you can editorialize all you want and i have no doubt that you will, but that is a ridiculous statement. >> my next guest says the white house and the press are bitter enemies. he may have a point. mmmhmmm...everybody knows that. well, did you know that old macdonald was a really bad speller? your word is...cow. cow. cow. c...o...w... ...e...i...e...i...o. [buzzer] dangnabbit. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know.
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for most reporters, the white house press briefing is a daily ritual, it's also a sparring match. my next guest offers a suggestion. the daily briefing has become a worthless chore for reporters, an embarrassing exercise for the white house staff. it's time to do the humane obvious thing and get rid of it all together. president obama's press secretary in 2011. why kill it? >> i just think it's a waste of time. >> come on, this is where taxpayer dollars are put to work. to some degree, it may be a circus at time, but there's some
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degree of daily accountability there. >> when you look at it, there really sngt that much daily accountabili accountability. i agree that the white house should answer questions and it does answer questions, but it does it for the hours throughout the briefing, reporters get up in the 5:00 hour, hey, what's your position on egypt today. they know the answer. by the time it gets to the briefing, which is an old especial institution. >> i will say that, for this network and the associated press, i did a little calculation, i think i have attended more than 3,000 white house press briefings. it's torture and there's a stockholm system. but it's a system imposed on the white house. you're going to show up and spar away and have something to talk about and take something to the american people. if you eliminate that, then
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you're just white house tweets, white house blogs and it's a white house propaganda machine. >> we talk about the way the briefing is supposed to be. we think about it as the way it was in the west wing. it has its moments, basically in the first couple of minutes, the white house establishes its positions of the day, but there's no accountability happening. >> from the sublime to the ridiculous, the best and worst of jay carney. >> the united states remains deeply concerned by the increasing violence across egypt. we are committed to trying to prevent iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. >> apart from the congressional picnic that was postponed -- >> twe have eran and egypt and things happen so fast and happen every day, if you didn't have
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this, what would we have, in your world? >> i think you would have the same thing you have now, which is when you watch, and i think jay does quite a good job actually for what he's supposed to be doing. but if you watch, he's largely reading statements, particularly foreign policy out of the briefing book. on foreign policy, that's important, those statements are carefully crafted and those words carry a lot of weight. but they get e-mailed hours before that, they get e-mailed all day. information is like water, it's going to find its way down hill however. the way things are going now, it gets down faster and more efficiently. it hollows out the briefing, so everyone knows what's going on, and there's just a lot of rancor in there. >> maybe jay car any should come and not just read from the briefing book. a former white house secretary stayed the biggest mistake he everybody made is allowing the camera to be turn on in that briefing.
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>> this is a case i tried to make in the piece. once you turn the cameras on and particularly you have the cameras facing backward and they're shooting the correspondents all asking the same question, because they include in that their package for the night low news. even though the five other continues have just done it. it creates an air of -- >> there are daily briefings at the state department. there's daily briefings at the pentagon and they have a totally different tenor and tone. >> the president is trying to set the aaagenda we should set the agenda or the news should set the agenda. >> i guess i should say. does the briefing ever really drive the agenda? the briefing is a reflection of what the top news is. that's totally fair.
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we have an hour set aside where everyone kind of fights about it and no new information comes out. and at the end of that hour and 15 minutes, we can feel good that we have an open society where in theory the white house is being challenged. i think if we did some of these things, turned off the cameras, reporters asking tough questions, but it's off camera. >> how about more -- president obama, your boss did fewer news conferences and formal gathering with the informed press corps who follows him on a daily basis than anyone since ronald reagan. >> and they should do more. >> so we should say his former press secretary is calling on obama to hold more news conferences? >> absolutely. >> how about a daily news conference? >> i would be for that. >> a daily briefing from the president of the united states. >> daily from the president of the united states, you may get something that'ses toed around a lot, watering down his
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forcefulness. but if you look at it, every time he speaks to an issue, he's giving definitive news. coming up, why francis underwood is changing the way you'll watch television. >> as for me, i'm just a lowly house majority whip, i keep things moving. my job is to clear the pipes and to keep the sludge moving. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up.
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netflix began mailing dvds in those red envelopes. i discussed -- hln digital lifestyle expert mario armstrong. let's do the numbers here because they're really incredible. netflix shows were nominated for 14 prime time emmys. they're spending $300 million on prime time programming over the next three years. the stock price is up over 300% in the last year. why didn't i buy that one? let me ask you, is this just
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blowing up television right before our swris? >> it's the first time that netflix has pulled up a seat to the grown up's table. there was a time when cable networks weren't eligible for emmys. as soon as they were, hbo pulled up a seat and said let's go. they had kind of an abortive start. but through this new initiative, the development pipeline is fantastic and as we have seen, spending $100 million up front for two seasons of a show with a pedigree like house of cards has paid off already. >> who's watching netflix? >> it's really like who's not watching. netflix hasn't shared how many people watched. this is a problem with investors with what netflix decides to share. a lot of people from a wide variety of demographics apparently are tuning in. i know my mom is well aware of
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and can use netflix, so it has ease of use and flexibility. with these emmy awards, that will also raise the bar now, talent will now start paying attention to online programming as something that's real. executives and producers as well are now saying this is a real deal opportunity for distribution of real content. >> so if they offer you a contract, you're taking it? >> what are you waiting for? >> peter, they had 250,000 new -- this is the most watched companies in all of media right now. >> it really is. well, their numbers for the actual mail ordered dvd service continue to go down. obviously streaming as supplanted that for so many people. the digital subscriptions -- you
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port of your television set, connects to your internet connection and enables you to be able to stream content from your phone or your tablet right to your television. so no bunch of wires, no complicated technology. you have competitors like apa he will tv boxes, all of these set top boxes trying to make it easy for us to see internet programing on our big screen tvs. once that can be done sump and easy, i think we'll see a lot larger audiences that normally don't look at online programming now start to do so because it can happen on the big screen. >> so peter, really quickly, netflix, on demand, hbo, amazon, how fast is this change in television going to happen, change in viewing going to happen? >> it's already begun. we're seeing shows that are nothing but water cooler talk with a fraction of the viewers that even a class he can ten years ago would have had.
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the broadcast market place has fragmented so much and more people are watching more show, the quality has risen to the top the fact that they have smaller and smaller viewer ships. >> all right. thanks very much. and we'll be right back. ss stor" "that starts with one of the world's most advanced distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers," "eliminating costly markups," "and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country." "when you see our low prices, remember the wheels turning behind the scenes, delivering for millions of americans, everyday. "dedication: that's the real walmart" ♪ [ female announcer ] when your swapportunity comes, take it. ♪ what? what? what? [ female announcer ] yoplait. it is so good. ♪ hooking up the country whelping business run ♪ what? what?
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finally, a wink and a nod to media that matters. first a tragic story and some remarkable skrourn journal echl. the associated press took the video of a train derailment and used a time stamp to calculate the train's speed. one estimate, 89 to 119 miles an hour. using a different technique, 96 to 112. posted speed limit, 50 miles per hour. this less than two hours, the a.p. went from video to story. providing vital information. for instincts, initiative and transparency in reporting, the a.p. proved itself a reliable
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source. but another story gets a thumbs down. iraq. sectarian violence has been escalating with near bombings and killing. syria's civil war may be making things worse. an assault sprung almost 2 00 convicts. most last american news bureau there, cnn's, closed in may. there are still reporters doing their best, but the big presence and sustained coverage is a fraction of what it was. the reason? u.s. troops have gone home and the exorbitant cost. but this story about iraqi stability, regional security and america's legacy still matters. americans are war weary. the coverage needs to be about more than bombs and bullet. but the news media needs to make the commitment to stay with the story because its eye not going away. and it's america's story, too. thanks for watching "reliable
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