elements of disguise. >> now, moving away from the photographs for a moment, we talked about some cash that was found in the house. did mr. castro use his assets in terms of his cash money that he had on hand to run an internal bar economy, if you will, with his victims? >> on occasion. >> and would he -- after sexually abusing them, throw money at them saying "here, you're being paid for the sex" in essence? >> there were reports of that. >> and would he then turn -- if they wanted something special from the store demand payment from them from those monies to get items they were requesting? >> occasionally as well, yes. >> now, before you is who or -- welcome back, i'm john

berman in new york. on the screen, we're watching the sentencing hearing for arie cleveland right now. we're hearing a great deal of dramatic testimony about what went on those nearly t three wo >> michelle knight, gina in captivity. how stand right now is dr. dejesus and amend amanda berry. frank m. oa on something called >> is that how they appeared to you that day? >> no. stockholm syndrome. >> what was different? ths state that sometimes >> as i mentioned, the women have made dramatic recoveries, i captives, hostagesth sometimes they're bound to thei believe, physically and explain the psychological terror psychologically. that was really inflictedims. so their initial appearance to me was considerably more dire. let's listen. >> the middle photo of >> it included the writings of michelle knight that's on the the victims and photographs and screen before you now, do you recognize the place and location films that were taken during the of that photo? >> it's a photograph taken at period of captivity. metro hospital. >> so that's how she appeared i interviewed the victims. the night of may 6th. i did not interview them >> correct. >> thank you. directly out of respect for >> and this photo would be from what point in time?

their privacy and wishes of >> this would be the day or day their attorneys. i reviewed the examination of after that point, may 7th, or possibly may 8th. mr. castro, and i reviewed his >> now, this trip will i cat examination. i met with his daughter, and had a face-to-face interview with progression of amanda berry, do her. you recognize these photos? >> yes. >> and the middle photo, do you i did what i thought was recognize the place and location necessary and sufficient to of that photo? >> metro hospital. develop a sense of what these >> and this photo. >> that's the fbi office. survivors went through and what they face in the future. and that's may 7th. >> and doctor, did you provide a letter to mr. mcginnty with regard to your findings in >> now this triplecate regards to this case? >> yes, i did. >> and let's start with number progression of gina dejesus. one. what were your findings? how were these women hurt? >> well, your honor, these women >> may 6th, metro hospital. >> and this photo. were hurt in many ways. >> may 7th, cleveland fbi and i boiled it down to three. office. first is repeated episodes that were terrifying. and that were the kind of trauma >> thank you, special agent

burke. that we meant when we defined >> judge, just real quickly? >> certainly. post traumatic stress disorder. be mindful of the time, please. the kind of trauma that you >> yes. don't escape for years and sometimes a lifetime afterward. thank you. images, smells, touches that >> you have until 11:30. come back to you when you're asleep, when you're awake, when >> agent burke, you were you're in that twilight zone between sleep and wakefulness. directed by mr. thomas to a and sometimes you feel you're letter that was found, which was going crazy, because your mind isn't working the way it should. this is not normal memory. allegedly written by mr. castro this is a different type of on april 4, 2004. circuitry. do you recall that? >> i do. so it isdica it is >> and you're familiar with that physical. it is an extreme of anxiety. document. you read it, i'm sure, several they had that. times, is that correct? >> i have read it several times, yes. that was terror-induced state of >> and you would agree with me mind. then based on your familiarity they had an entirely different dimension that i would call of the document that despite the degradati circumstances and the origin as degradation, defilement, de he did explain in that letter to humanization. not the same as being placed in

whoever was eventually going to high arousal shock, but being read it as to how these treated like an animal. abductions occurred and he did being systematically and express remorse for his conduct, relentlessly deprive of your is that correct? sense of self, your sense of >> i believe in the letter he dignity, your connections to wrote something to the effect that he was sorry for his conduct. others. and that has to do with not >> and i think that you -- part having access to sanitary of this was he was unsure, but facilities, the way you're fed, the way you're chained, all of that. for a long, long time. certainly believed and expressed in this letter he was sick, and then finally, they were mentally ill. and other than that, he had no deprived. they were deprived of mother. explanation for why he could possibly do something like this. of family. would you agree that he wrote that? of home. of school. >> yes. of ten years in which you make your transition from being a young woman to being a woman. >> in essence, we know that it does seem to imply, if you would and that kind of deprivation isn't the same as being agree with me, that this -- in degraded. and part of what that does is, it plays with your ability to essence, for lack of a better know who to trust.

word, been a suicide letter. this is the stage in which human there was that sort of impression. we know that ultimately he beings developing the capacity didn't kill himself. for real intimacy. but he did give that impression, this was not real intimacy. this was a suicide type of note. this was a perversion. would you agree with that? >> i don't know that i would >> and doctor, did he do concur that it was written as a additional damage through some of his actions against his suicide note. it did not give me that victims? >> well, of course. immediate impression. he deliberately aborted. >> thank you, your honor. >> thanks. he -- whether he believed it in >> the state would next call his own mind or whether he feigned believing it, he tried deputy david jacobs. to produce the belief that this daughter was a love child. >> good morning, deputy. not the product of force, sex in >> good morning, judge. captivity. and when that happens, there is something that goes on in our >> good morning. minds. would you identify yourself and and for a period of time, we your employment? >> my name is dave jacobs. lack a real appreciation of what i'm a deputy sheriff with the cuyahoga county sheriff's is real and what isn't.

office. as a detective, i'm currently assigned to the violent crimes we become blinded to the person who aggresses against us. task force in the fbi. and that's the stockholm >> are you deputized at any syndrome. i can explain it very quickly. other law enforcement agency? >> yes, i have a special deputy >> go ahead. >> when you are suddenly u.s. marshal commission and i'm also commissioned by the special captured and in a moment you agent charge cleveland division by the fbi. realize, i am in the presence of >> in the interest of time, were someone who can kill me, and who you involved or assigned to makes me feel as though i will participate in the interrogation of ariel castro may 7th, 2013? be killed, at that point you're >> yes. >> did you develop a strategy treated so that you can't eat, for that interrogation as to how you can't sleep, you can't use a you intended to proceed? >> i did. toilet. >> what was it? you can't move without explicit >> my strategy for the interrogation was to be permission. you -- the word would be nonconfrontational, to obtain information from mr. castro that infantlized. but little by little, you're would meet the elements of the given what it takes to survive. crimes we thought he may be and in your mind, consciously, charged with in the near future. unconsciously, you deny that >> were you going into it in an this is the person who did all of this to you. attempt to browbeat him or be and you start to feel as you did

confrontational with him? >> not at all. as a little baby with your mother, who is the first source >> did you administer miranda rights to him? >> yes, i did. of nourishment, of life itself. >> did he read, perform and sign a written waiver of miranda so the body assigns to that rights? >> yes, he did. >> on a separate form at the conclusion of that process, did person the feelings that you would have to your own he also execute a three-page biological mother. that's the stockholm syndrome. summary statement of the course it's very deep. of that interrogation as to his it's not something that you're doing very consciously. core admission of conduct? and i have interviewed scores >> yes, there were two and scores of people who had the interviews i conducted with ariel castro. the first one was may 7th. stockholm syndrome in different the second one was may 8th. the second day is when we took a circumstances. and they're victims. >> and doctor, how did these written statement from mr. women cope? castro. >> i just want to approach, your what were you able to determine by their interviews, by the honor, and show him state's 11. information that was provided to you, that they were able to cope for 13,226 days before their do you recognize this document? three pages? >> yes, i do. that's the written statement we escape? took from ariel castro on may >> first of all, among them are 8th, 2013. marvelous, compelling examples of resilience, of imagination, >> would you describe how mr. of humanity.

castro interacted with you in i would start with michelle. terms of -- if you posed a question or a statement to him, what an extraordinary human was he in engagement with you being. she served as doctor, nurse, during this interrogation? was he responsive to your question? pediatrician, midwife. >> yes. surprisingly, he was very -- his she did the delivery. she didn't have a child herself. answers were very succinct. suspect she did it under when i asked him a question, he answered the question. primitive circumstances. and when that little baby wasn't typically, in my experience in breathing, she breathed into that baby. she brought life to that child. interviews, when you ask somebody an incriminating and she also had circumstances question, you may not get the answer. i felt that ariel castro, when in which she interposed herself so that gina wouldn't get the questions were posed to him, incriminating questions, he answered those questions. >> so was he beating around the bush? >> not at all. assault. and she took it. >> was he taking the long way she is a very courageous and heroic individual. and amanda managed to raise a around the block? >> absolutely not. child under these circumstances. >> have you prepared some notes and to teach that child values that are a condensation of the high points of the course of and faith and schooling. and there were times when there this interrogation? >> i have. >> would you take us through it was interaction among them. in a narrative fashion, please? and by and large, that >> okay. interaction showed the milk of

there were certain things that human kindness, love, faith, stood out throughout the interviews, both days, may 7th and may 8th, that ariel castro had talked about. optimism. the way the interview was for t so they copied. part of it was stockholm s formatted, i thought we should start with michelle knight. she was the first person that was abducted in this case. syndro syndrome. part of it are the gifts of personality and character that they had. we then went to amanda berry and >> and doctor, what is their then we went to gina dejesus. future? as it was formatted, we felt >> well, i said very good things about them. that it would be a lot easier to and as a doctor who treats, i control the interview and gain want to be on the side of the facts if we specifically optimism and encouragement and talked about the incident hope for them. surrounding michelle, amanda and but the damage that was done gina separately. does not go away. ultimately, we did that. they have life sentences. mr. castro admitted throughout this was not trivial. the interview to us on each i think they will, with the love occasion how he took the girls. and support of this whole he indicated that he had community and what they bring to extensive conversations with the the table, they have a good chance to have a good life. girls surrounding the times he but that doesn't mean they will did abduct them. in his own words, he used the ever be free of the damage that

word abduct. was done. he referenced himself in the interview as a sexual predator. >> and would you agree with me, i asked him at that point, what doctor, their injuries are permanent? >> yes. do you consider what a sexual >> thank you. predator is. and he said somebody that >> no, thank you, your honor. >> we'll be in recess for ten continually repeats offenses. i asked him if it was a one-time minutes. see you all at 1 1:50. incident, how would he reference igible fo? himself. he referred to that as a sexual that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. offender. >> did he use the phrase "i'm a criminal?" only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. >> yes, he did. and that was -- to put that in the rest is up to you. context, he -- i also conducted so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, interviews with his mother, lilian and i also conducted interviews with his brother, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. o'neill. and that -- to put that like all standardized medicare supplement plans, statement in context, it was in they help save you up to thousands in out-of-pocket costs. reference to his brother's lack call today to request a free decision guide. of involvement in this entire situation. with these types of plans, >> okay. you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that from the totality of the investigation, is there any accepts medicare patients... reason to believe that his plus, there are no networks, brothers had any knowledge what he was up to? and you'll never need a referral >> in my opinion, no. to see a specialist. join the millions >> and that's supported by the who have already enrolled

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welcome back, everyone. john berman in for ashleigh banfield today. we have been watching the sentencing hearing for ariel castro in cleveland. he is being sentenced today to life in prison, plus 1,000 years for holding three women captive for nearly ten years. we are getting dramatic details hello, everyone, i'm john today about what went on in that house for all that time. berman in for ashleigh banfield today. and we are hearing and set to we're live in cleveland watching hear from ariel castro really the sentencing hearing for ariel for the first time at length a castro. it is a dramatic, somewhat little bit later today. peculiar hearing, revealing new as the day began, we did hear

disturbing details about this briefly from mr. castro, who man's near ten-year reign of began to apologize to the women terror over the three women he held captive. he held for so long. we are hearing things really let's listen to what he said. we've never heard before. he used 99 feet of chains. >> i would like to apologize. he placed motorcycle helmets on can i do that now? his captives. >> yes, you may do that now. he played games with these women where he put a loaded gun to their head. as i said, very disturbing this is one of your opportunities to speak. details. let's get back to the testimony right away here. >> so as you could hear, ariel we're hearing from deputy david jacobs, one of the law castro apologized. enforcement officials who he also said he expects to speak interviewed ariel castro in the later on today. we assume that will be at days after these girls were rescued. let's listen. length. people who know mr. castro have >> is there anything that you said he will talk for a period could say or do to the family of time and let the world see the real ariel castro, whatever that would make things better. that means. as i said, it has been a day of there was no response. >> did you see mr. castro in high drama there. we have been learning details court here today? >> yes. >> and would you point to him about how the women were found. we heard from officer barbara and describe what he's wearing? >> he's sitting at the table johnson, who was one of the first officers on the scene, one wearing an orange jumpsuit. >> let the record reflect the of the first people to see these identification of mr. ariel women who had been held captive castro. for so long. >> yes, it will. and she gave emotional testimony but it seems unnecessary at this about how they appeared to her.

let's watch. point. >> showing you state's 17, do >> i remember i kind of shined you recognize what this cdr the flashlight so she could -- whoever it was could see that we represents as a copy of the were the police. interrogation? we later found out it was >> it represents -- there was a video and audio taken of both michelle knight, as she literally launched herself into times that mr. castro was interrogated. >> thank you. officer esponda's arms. he, legs, arms, just choking no further questions. him. and she just kept repeating, "you saved us, you saved us." >> just one question with your permission, judge. >> yes. at that point, you know, i told >> these interviews, sir, they her, "it's okay, honey, you're were taken before he had the safe." she then came over to me and advice of counsel or lawyers, right? >> yes, they were. jumped into my arms. >> he just came -- you went to >> it's been more than two see him, and he completely months now since these women were found. these women were freed after so cooperated with you, didn't he? long in captivity, and as i >> to use the word completely, i said, we are learning today some of the details about what went don't think that's accurate. i believe that if it i can on while they were being held. describe it, he did cooperate. our pamela brown is outside the courthouse right now in cleveland. she has been covering the story i felt that in some of the from the beginning. elements of the crime were pamela, as i said, we really are minimized. but he was very cooperative learning new things and seeing things that we had never seen throughout the interview. before in this case.

>> talked himself right into convictions, didn't he? >> yes, he did. >> and he wasn't hesitant at all >> reporter: yeah. to tell you exactly what jaw-dropping information here, happened, from his perspective, really bringing reality to the right? >> no, he wasn't. surface, john. >> okay. seeing some of this physical thank you. evidence, seeing the gun that >> thanks. >> thanks. ariel castro used to threaten >> your honor, the state would next present dr. gregory sattel. his victims, and seeing pictures of inside the house. this is the first time, john, that we're seeing what these rooms look like, where the women were held. s-a-a-t-h-o-l. we saw the room where amanda >> good morning, doctor. >> good morning, judge. berry was kept with her young daughter. and you see on the wall child >> good morning, doctor. we'll be moving fast. do you possess a medical license? workbook pages and how small the >> yes, i do. room is, as one of the >> from where? prosecutors said, only 11 1/2 by >> state of virginia. >> and for what specialty? >> psychiatry. 11 1/2 feet. we saw the resty chains used to >> and do you pursue a profession? restrain the girls. and he talked about how there >> yes, i'm a psychiatrist. was no doorknob inside the room where the women were kept. >> do you practice forensic sigh so that ariel castro could cry tree? >> yes. control them and keep them in virginia. >> do you consult with the inside the rooms. he talked about how there were federal government, for example, little cut-out holes in the room the fbi, behavioral analysis so they would have ventilation. unit? >> yes, i serve as the conflict but that's really all they had as far as ventilation goes,

resolution specialist for the because the windows were boarded fbi's critical incident response up. and we saw the room where group. >> and what is that? michelle knight and gina dejesus >> it is the group that contains the negotiators, the profilers, stayed. they were in the room together, and that's where they were bound up with the chains we saw. the hostage rescue team within the fbi. so it's incredible to see these it's the operational division images, to see how small the within the fbi. rooms are, to see the disheveled it responds to crisis as well as condition of the home. we saw the basement where he violent crimes, national center for analysis of violent crimes restrained the girls when he first abducted them. located within the critical response program. the pole where he chained them to. the helmet he put on the women's >> and do you interact also with other federal agencies, such as heads after he abducted them and homeland security and other kept them there overnight in the dark basement. committees that may be called by and we also learned about the note that ariel castro wrote. any of the federal government we talked about this note in the very beginning, but we're learning more about it. such as courts? >> correct. we learn in that note he was a >> in the course of your sexual predator. professional career, have you he expressed remorse and talked about why -- why he abducted the had an occasion to interview a large number of serious women, how he didn't really understand why he did it. offenders in terms of developing and then, john, we heard from behavioral profiles for the the interrogator, the fbi benefit of educating law interrogator, who was one of the enforcement? first people to talk to castro >> yes, i have. after he was arrested. and it's interesting. >> and have you previously had he said that castro was very

past exposure to cases of forthcoming with the information, which is not typically what you see with captivity, serial kidnapping, incriminating questions. but he was. and he said he did it because he sexual abuse, in the course of was trying to satisfy his sexual captivity? >> yes, i have. needs. >> now, were you asked by our that is why ariel castro said he did what he did. office to consult with us and >> a couple details stuck out to review case materials, both in me, pamela. because really, the raw our possession and in possession of the federal bureau of brutality that they displayed. we learned from a forensic investigation of the state of ohio versus ariel castro? investigator, 99 feet of chains. >> yes. >> what, briefly, did you review? 99 feet of chains and also, as >> i reviewed videotapes, i you mentioned, the helmets that reviewed transcripts of videos were placed on these women, just that were done of three women, after they were captured. >> right. and these are just -- this is as well as a approximately just some of the evidence here, ten-hour video of an fbi john. let's keep this in perspective. interview that was done of mr. i've talked to authorities, and they said, look, we're not going to show the full scope of what castro. other related court documents. was inside that home. it's simply too graphic. i also had the opportunity to we don't want to revictimize interview former girlfriend of these women. mr. castro. so this is just skimming the >> was that lilian rolvan? surface with what we're seeing here. and it's really chilling to see >> yes. the gun he used, as well. >> now, moving -- did you but what really touched me, prepare a report of opinion to john, is hearing the doctor talk our office in connection with about stockholm syndrome, what that work you did?

these women went through, and how michelle knight protected >> yesterday i wrote a letter that summarized my findings. gina dejesus, how she would take >> and is that state's 24? the brunt of the assault in order to protect gina. >> yes, it is. >> all right. how she played nurse and doctor. i'd like to you take us through and the doctor just talked about that report. how heroic, how strong these women are, how they have healed rapidly. but yet they will be damaged for the rest of their lives. as a result of what they went through. and as far as the stockholm syndrome goes, he talked about -- he compared it to them being babies. how they were made to feel they survived on ariel castro for their survival. and that bit by bit, he would give them the gifts of life to make them feel dependent on him and thankful to him for giving them food and water. it's just so -- it's difficult to understand. it's complex. but this is really, as i said earlier, bringing reality to the surface of what these women went through. >> and as you said, one of the important things to note, these women have been called extraordinary human beings. michelle knight called a doctor, a nurse, a teacher here. truly the heroes of this story. pamela brown, we will come back to you in a little bit.

we are going to talk much more about this dramatic testimony today. the details of what we're hearing. also, why we're hearing it today. because that is fascinating, too. we're going to speak with karen we'll speak with a former prosecutor and also speak to a law professor to shed light on why this is all happening today. we'll be right back. vietnam i. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve military members, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. [ all ] who's new in the fridge! i help support bones... [ ding! ] ...the immune system... [ ding! ] ...heart health... [ ding! ]

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welcome back, everyone. john berman in new york. on your screen you're seeing the sentencing hearing for ariel castro. he is being sentenced today for the imprisonment, the torture, the assault of three women he (announcer) bring the adventure to their bowl with at. whole world of exciting flavors. kept in captivity for nearly ten years. on the stand right now is dr. friskies. feed the senses. you will lose 3 sets of keys 4 cell phones gregory sattholf, forensic 7 socks and 6 weeks of sleep but one thing you don't want to lose is any more teeth. psychologist. he is testifying what he has seen in ariel castro is if you wear a partial, you are almost twice as likely unprecedented. he says he has never seen anyone with this level of planning who to lose your supporting teeth. has held this man captives for new poligrip and polident for partials 'seal and protect' this long. helps minimize stress, which may damage supporting teeth, dramatic testimony on the stand right now. let's get right back to it. by stabilizing your partial. >> significant part of the case i think someone would be able to and 'clean and protect' kills odor-causing bacteria. do that month after month, year care for your partial. after year, be able to device help protect your natural teeth. ways to conceal the situation from family, friends, neighbors, for a time he maintained a

relationship with a girlfriend, who was completely unaware he had these women in a house. we have been covering the sentencing hearing in cleveland, his use of wigs, which has ohio, for ariel castro. he agreed last week, pled guilty already been described, his playing of music loudly in the house. he was a musician. to 937 counts including rape, but the playing of music sometimes to mask any potential for the women to be heard over kidnapping, sexual assault, you name it. he agreed to a plea bargain of the music were examples. life in prison plus 1,000 years. i think the use of aliases. making sure that the -- his he will never get out. today we're hearing dramatic testimony inside this courtroom daughter learned the names of right now during this sentencing hearing. i want to talk about this. these women, not their real names, but used aliases, all i want to bring in a couple guests, karen cherington, a contrived to conceal this former sex crimes prosecutor and protracted captivity. doug berman, a professor of law >> now, did he, in your review at ohio state university. doug, i want to start with you of materials, make any claim to here. today in some ways as dramatic as it is to me seems a bit anyone professionally that he peculiar. this man pled guilty last week, needed medical help treatment? agreed to the sentence. or mental health treatment? >> no. >> and, in fact, he's not what's going on today seems like we would be seeing in a hearing diagnosed by the court clinic with having any mental health if the trial had actually happened. condition, correct? so why are we seeing a hearing today? >> his competency assessment was

>> i think there are a couple done by one of the most respected forensic psychiatrists reasons. in the country, dr. phillip one, there is an obligation for the judge to make sure there is resnick, who found no psychiatric illness whatsoever. evidence to support the plea >> now, in this point number agreement that has been entered into by the prosecutor and the defense, and i think a big part of what the prosecutors are three, you make mention of a quote by mr. castro you found trying to ensure is not only significant. that the evidence is there on >> yes. the record so the judge can >> what was it? comply with his obligations to >> i have what's actually in make sure it supports this life plus 1,000 year sentence, but also if at some point a year, that section, one a statement in five years, ten years from now, this document of april 2004 in castro claims, oh, well, i which he stated, quote, i have little private life. i function around others like a didn't get good advice from my normal person. and, in fact, he appeared to attorneys or wasn't as bad as have done that. they say, the record will have and was able to live this life been made at the sentencing proceeding to justify the verdict that is going to get around family, friends, without entered and the sentence that will be imposed. i think in addition and i think this may be as important if not them suspecting. more important, under these there's a -- with regard to the circumstances is to show the local community, the state, the duplicity, in the document, in nation, the world really that is my discussions with colleagues watching here just how monstrous at the national center for analysis of violent crime, they

were struck with the fact that ariel castro's crimes were and i in the document he made the statement "i had no idea gina think in particular there may be was so young. a concern among prosecutors that she looks a lot older." castro who has a right to make a but we certainly know that he statement may try to minimize was aware that gina was a his crime or assert mental classmate of his daughter's. he knew his daughter's age. illness or other explanations to and therefore, to make that make him seem like a more statement, "i had no idea geina sympathetic character and i am was so young, she looks a lot sure the prosecutors both to vindicate justice and vindicate older," makes -- caused some the victims want to make sure that just the true horror and skepticism, i think in the minds of those reviewing the document as to whether or not he was the extremeness of these crimes actually being truthful in writing the document and making and one of the experts described the statements he made. it as unprecedented, when they >> based on the entire totality were testifying in court, is out there on the record fully of the information that he had displayed so that there can be been provided, you have any professional reason to believe no question about the extreme that if ever given his freedom sentence, life plus 1,000 years again, mr. castro would not go being justified under the circumstances. back to his old ways? >> no. >> why do you say that? >> we did hear ariel castro >> well, the duplicity was so apologize very briefly to these women. he also said that he does plan complete in terms of his ability to speak later in the day. to fool his family, his friends, we assume that will be at even his girlfriend, who he length. the details that we have heard maintained a relationship with today, some of the descriptions,

at the time. the fact that he was able to the terror that went on inside that house for nearly ten years, construct this kind of situation day in, day out, as he said in we had one psychiatrist say that his own statement, living a he terrified these women. normal life, i think is quite he degraded these women. he deprived these women. significant. at one point the prosecutors he appeared to certainly have a lot of emotional attachment to even played -- they discussed his home and -- but whether or how ariel castro would throw money at the women to degrade them even further. let's listen. not there's true remorse with regard to the victims, i think >> after sexually abusing them, that's a great question. >> thank you. and we would next call dr. throw money at them, saying, frank -- >> a question judge, with your here, you're being paid for the sex in essence? permission. i know there is a time >> there were reports of that. constraint, but it's kind of important. >> yes. >> doctor, you understand that >> would he then turn if they mr. castro was tested for wanted special from the store competency only. demand payment of them from the he wasn't tested for a moneys to get items they were psychiatric disorder, don't you? requesting? >> yes. >> occasionally as well, yes. >> okay. and that was what the doctor you >> psychological, physical, gave such respect to, dr. sexual assault and terror over a resnick. he examined him for one purpose, ten-year period. karen cherington, former sex and one purpose only, not sanity crimes prosecutor, what struck at the time of the act, because you about what you heard today?

that was not the referral by the >> well, you know, most of the court. it was for competency, correct? testimony and the details today >> yes. >> competency is different, just showed how heinous this doctor, than sanity at the time crime was, and i agree that this of the act. is it not? just tell me yes or no. >> correct. >> okay. and you put in your report, testimony is used so that the based upon the materials on prosecution can have a sealed review, but you don't outline type deal here and clearly for us what materials did you support on the record why castro actually review. is receiving a life sentence >> i reviewed, as i mentioned at plus 1,000 years but what also the beginning of my testimony, the transcripts of the struck me is the defense is going to use this hearing to recordings, i reviewed the also humanize castro in some competency document, i reviewed way. you heard that castro indicated court documents related to the that he was not a monster, and he wanted to portray that to the public, so what strikes me is the cross-examination from the apprehension charge documents. defense counsel of these i was asked to - was not a form witnesses in an attempt to somehow humanize castro and also obviously. and i didn't have the you never examined mr.castro, make a reasoning with respect to why castro conducted this nor did you ever speak to the girls or the ladies. girls or the ladies. >> correct heinous crime. >> quickly, karen, you have she was a picky eater. dealt with victims of sex crimes herietitian...dies. >> correct ...an wel y before. what must it be like for these

women, they're not in the courtroom right now. to help her get the nutrition she was missing. we may hear from michelle knight in a little bit. what must it be like for them to know this information is now [ male announcer ] boost drink has d mirals, being made public? >> i think it will help them, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones, otei [ male announcer ] to help maintain muscle.ls, and i think that the prosecution wanted to lessen the amount. look for them next to boost drinks. >> hang one second. we're looking at michelle knight in the courtroom right now. she has entered the courtroom right now giving hugs and she mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004. has given one of the most dramatic statements we saw on [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. video a couple of weeks ago talking about her bravery, usaa auto insurance is often handed down talking about how she is holding her head up high right now and toeration. because it offers a superior level of protection facing life head on, and she is and because usaa's commitment to serve military members, in that courtroom and at this very minute for the first time since she was rescued she is laying eyes on ariel castro. it has to be incredibly emotional for her. what a brave, brave young woman to be putting herself through this. again, michelle knight now in the courtroom and with ariel

castro. we're waiting to see what happens next in this case. karen, i did not mean to interrupt you. with the two of them in the courtroom right now, this is remarkable to see, karen. do you think, karen, that michelle knight has been instructed about how to behave, whether or not she should look him in the eye, what types of things she should or shouldn't say, how well prepared do you think she might be for what goes on today, karen? >> i think she has to be well prepared. i am sure she was prepped by the prosecutors on what she needs to say, how to conduct herself, where she should look, even possibly if she is interested in avoiding eye contact with castro, they will instruct her. they may have even brought her to the very courtroom prior to this hearing so she could practice what she will say and how she will say it and where she should look. >> he is gazing at one point he

appeared to be gazing in the direction of where michelle knight is sitting. this moment is to jarring, the kind of electricity, we haven't seen anything like this before. let's see if we can listen to what's going on in there for one minute. i am not sure anyone is talking. camera doesn't seem to be able to capture them in the same shot. michelle knight can't be more than 25 feet away from ar he will castro right now and what a moment this must be for her, for ten years, nearly ten years she was held prisoner in his house, tortured, sexual abuse, physical abuse, psychological abuse, that's been really explained in