art. >> italy has always stood for so many wonderful things. we really wanted to explain to these young people that there is hope, that you can get recognized, that there can be a future. >> reporter: for "out front" i'm >> reporter: for "out front" i'm malina chow. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com erin, thanks very much. the words from a man that says he's not a monster and the proud, brave words from one of the three women who says he was that, a captorer, rapist, monitor, the three women endured all of that year after year held captive by ariel castro in his torture chamber cleveland, ohio home. they were victimized but not victims. aman amanda, gina and michelle are survivors. calling them a monitor's victims

gives him too much credit. he needs to be forgiven. he got a life sentence today plus a thousand years. that's what a judge gave him after michelle knight's statement. it's rare to see someone who may be a true psychopath justify their crimes. today in court on live television, we saw just that. >> most of the sex that went on in the house, and probably all of it was consensual. this, this, these allegations about being forceful on them is totally wrong. because there was times they would even ask me for sex many times. we had a lot of harmony going on in that home. >> a lot of harmon know going on in that home. we'll look closer whatever inside someone's mind makes them say something like that with dr. drew pinsky and others. how they stayed sane and how recovery looks like. first, pamela brown with today's

sentencing hearing. >> from this moment on, i will not let you define me or affect who i am. >> reporter: a rest lute michelle knight confronted her former tormenter on head on. >> you took 11 years of my life away, and i have got it back. i spent 11 years in hell, now your hell is just beginning. i will overcome all this that happened but you will face hell for eternity. >> reporter: when it was ariel castro's turn he refused to take responsibility for what he did but at one point he did attempt to apologize. >> i am truly sorry to the dejesus family, michelle and amanda. you guys know all the harmony that went on in that home.

i ask god to forgive me. >> reporter: castro denied physically and sexually abusing the women. >> most of the sex that went on, probably all of it was consensual. this -- these allegations about being forceful on them, that is totally wrong. >> reporter: he even tried to justify his behavior. >> these people are trying to paint me as a monster, and i'm not a monster. i'm sick. i've been, i've been, my sexual problems have been so bad on my mind that i'm impulsive. >> reporter: the evidence shows a different story. over defense objections prosecutors had a detailed reconstruction of what the women endured for a decade inside the home using a model of the house and showing these photos of their rooms with bored up windows and rusty chains and described how the girls were abducted, including the moment when he lured his first victim,

michelle knight into his house. >> he takes her down to the basement where she's physically retrained with a chain, plastic ties are put on her wrists and a motorcycle helmet is placed on her head. at this time she's sexual assaulted. >> reporter: to her joy on the day she was finally rescued. >> she literally launched herself into the officer's arms. he -- legs, arms, just choking him and she just kept repeating you saved us, you saved us. >> reporter: family members spoke for amanda berry and dee jesus. >> she's strong beautiful inside and out and doing better every day. to ariel castro, may got have mercy on your soul. gracias and thank you. >> reporter: in the end women relied on each other for

survival and drawing on the same strength that helped them survive so many years in captivity. >> gina was my teammate, my friendship with her is the only thing that was good out of this situation. we said we will some day make it out alive and we did. >> pamela brown joins us from cleveland. what struck you the most in the courtroom today. watching this, i don't think i ever seen anything like this, hearing this man who we'll hear more from experts ahead but i mean, his -- i mean, he seems to be a psychopath that he actually believes these things he was saying. >> reporter: yeah, he seems delusional. it was jaw dropping, anderson. i was covering this story in the very beginning and in the courtroom and at that time he had his head down. he wouldn't say anything to the judge, wouldn't make eye contact with anyone. he just looked really ashamed. and then today, it was like he

was a different person. it was a stark contrast to before. he was looking around, leaning back in the chair, even interrupting the judge and of course, we heard his bizarre rambling speech. there seemed like there were two sides of him. there were moments today that struck me, very powerful obviously to see michelle knight's resolved. she might be small and stature around 4 feet tall but has a great spirit. if you asked me what i thought would have testified today, i wouldn't necessarily have said michelle night in the beginning. she endured the worst abuse. she had the toughest recovery but yet today, she walked up there and faced her tore meanter head on. not only that, anderson, she stayed there at the sentencing through the end of it. the family representatives for the other two victims left the courtroom, but michelle knight stayed there as ariel castro attempted to poll guiapologize justify his behavior. the judge pointed out her

remarkable courage and in her soft spoken voice, she said you're welcome. >> you can't attempt to apologize in one breath and the next breathe justify your behavior and say this was consensual sex. joining me now is jeffrey toobin, mark geragos and dr. drew pinsky. did he act today like you would have expected from someone like him, someone whose done the things that he's done? because i just want to play for the viewers something else that he said about -- about these women and how they got into his vehicle. let's play that. >> she got into my vehicle without even knowing what i was. i don't blame, i'm not putting fault at her but i'm am saying i'm trying to make up a point across that i am not a violent predator that you're trying to make me look a monster.

i'm not a monster. >> i mean, he is blaming the victims here, the survivors here. >> he's absolutely blaming the three survivors. he's taking no responsibility for his behavior, and that's very classic psychopath. we witnessed a psychopath -- >> you have no dout he's a psychopath and that's what we saw today? >> that's what we saw. he's not out of touch with reality. he knows right from wrong. the rules don't apply for him and the inability to empathize or feel guilt. it was all about him today. all about him. >> mary ellen, the forensic psychologist, you know him. explain what he meant when he said there is no mental illness with castro. >> i do know the doctor and he's wonderful. what he meant by that is there was no mental defect on this individual based on his opinion and that meant that there is no

debilitating mental illness that caused him to act this way because he was delusional or si sigh cot tick. he knews rules. they don't apply. he was not out of touch with reality. >> so he's a psychopath you believe but not out of touch with reality? >> a psychopath is not a mental illness. that's a personality disorder, it's not a mental illness. we sometimes confuse those two, but someone who is mentally ill may not understand the nature or the consequences of their actions. not the case with ariel castro. >> dr. drew, what do you think? >> i agree 100% with mary ellen is saying. we're seeing the human being really in the worst form this sbt as bad as humans can get. he's not only a monster. he is also sick. he may have also had sex addiction, and people with

section addiction will distort their victims. in other words, i've seen sex addicts that tell me that a 4-year-old was coming on to them, what were they supposed to do -- >> but the idea -- >> go ahead -- >> but the idea of this guy blaming an addiction, when he said that, you know, you just -- it's like what? give me a break -- >> yeah -- >> he has a porn addiction that led him to this? >> it's ridiculous and an explanation for some of the things you try to get your ahead around, how could he say this? it doesn't diminish about what mary ellen said this being a full fledged psychopath. >> let's play this. >> i believe i am addicted to porn to the point that it really makes me impulsive and i just don't realize that what i'm doing is wrong. i know it's not an excuse. i'm not trying to make excuses here. >> every time he said i'm not

trying to make excuses, you can take out the i'm not trying to and say i'm making excuses. >> yeah, his point of view begs no alternative. everything in his life, even if it is an illness is used to justify unjustifiable behavior. when you listen to this guy your brain goes out of tilt. how can he be this way? i see the astonishment on your face, anderson. it's astonishing when you hear how a psychopath things and what they have done to other people and don't team seem to understand that. >> that's what it's important to listen and see this guy's face because it's rare to see a psychopath -- you know, you see them in movies and stuff and they are an actor -- this is apparently, seems like a true psychopath and just the coldness of it is just stunning to watch. you found it hard to watch. >> it reminded me a good deal of jerry sandusky, that

self-obsession, self-pitying, narcissim. a line from the great gatsby. conduct may be founded on the hard rock or wet marshes but at a certain point i don't care where it was found. i didn't care about his problems. i didn't want to listen to him. i guess it was a public service to broadcast it but i found it unpleasant in the extreme -- >> mark, were you surprised he was allowed to talk as long as he did in that courtroom? >> could i just weigh in here for my prospective -- >> sure. >> i'm not an addiction specialist and i'm not going to quote "the great gatsby." this was a spectacle. i've represented people or as delusional or didn't have any understanding or any insight into what they were doing and they justify it because that's how the human mind works. the human mind is rare for

somebody to follow on the sword and have the insight that you would need to not do this kind of thing. but that -- that having been said, the idea that this thing was televised and the prosecutors gave this guy this opportunity and then started to act, i thought, in a crazy manner banding about thousands of years, whether we'll have a thousand years or 9,000 years or this, that or the other, and you know, lay people that aren't in the court system take a look at this, and i think they get the most skewed version, and if anybody thinks that this in any way, shape, or form resembles what happens in a courtroom, except for, you know, the fact that you're processing people who are very, very sick it's a charter. i think it's unfortunate. i think it's very unfortunate. >> i think there was a political problem the prosecutors dealt with. there was tremendous desire to see the death penalty in this case. the prosecutors had to persuade

the public they were not letting this guy off easy. i think they made the right decision. they saved the government a great deal of money. this will be resolved much cheaper, faster. they saved the victims the experience of having to testify but had to persuade the public that there was a life-time sanction here. so they used the figure of a those years, obviously that is not meaningful -- >> but don't you think, jeff, that fits in, don't you think that fits into what we talked about before and the death penalty machinery and how it affected the criminal justice system, this is what ends up happening. in order to try and put on -- no, if you didn't have the death penalty he would have got life without anyway. what difference does it make? and why do you have to put this guy out there and broadcast this live for whatever period of time and have his words being published and have prosecutors who may normally be racial

talking about thousands of years and maybe he should get a thousand as a minimum and maybe more. it seems like a parade of craziness. >> i worked in television and mary ellen i want to talk to you, i find it valuable to look into the face of a psychopath -- >> absolutely. >> and to actually identify and say you know what? there are psychopaths among us, this is what it looks like. i know mary ellen there is one part of castro's speech that sent a chill up your spine. i want to play that. >> if you seen the youtube video of amanda this weekend, that right there itself proves that this girl did not go through no torture. that woman did not go through no door tour. because if that was true, do you think she would be out there partying already or having fun? i don't think so. i seen gina and in the media,

she looks normal. she acts normal. she's happy. the victims are happy. i haven't seen much of michelle. >> i mean, i could not believe this guy is saying these things. >> and that's -- if you can imagine, that's what we hear during an interview and that's what i think the detective was talking about today when he talked about how he set up an interview. you have to be non-judge mental and prepared for this on slot of information and you cannot sit there and say no, i can't believe you're telling me this because you want them to talk. you want them to tell you what happened. even though you're head is spinning like in the exorcist. it is stunning. it is shocking, but this is what a psychopath thick predator is like. >> the fact he's sitting in prison watching youtube videos

of the women he abused for years and years and years, how is that possible? >> i don't know what the prison allows but i know it makes your head spin to think about this guy and his behavior. mark, humbly i disagree with you. they have done a public service. they tend to be ma nip live and charming. they are in our lives. you can't believe what people say and if you see any evidence that someone is behaving inappropriately you must act no matter what they say and be suspicious. a lot of people rely on our country and have soes owe path tendencies. they don't understand emotions and act as if they had emotions because they have none -- >> that's a good point because you put him in a suit, he could be a college professor -- >> absolutely. >> anybody you run across -- >> he told you, he's got a job. it's fine. i'm a good guy. i got a job.

i function in society. i'm fine. let's get going here. there are a lot of people like that in this country. mark, sorry, but there are -- >> in the survivors -- >> drew, don't apologize, drew, but i'm going to tell you there is a lot of people that like to watch jerry fingspring er and ts what happens. >> i was just saying there was a moment in her statement where she said you would go to church every sunday and then come back and do this. imagine going to church every sunday while these three women and one child were chained, literally chained to the wall in his apartment. >> incredible -- >> house. >> appreciate you-all for being on. follow me on twitter @andersoncooper. where the surevivors are

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that suffered at the hands of others. writing this statement gave me the strength to be a stronger woman. after 11 years, i am finally being heard, and it's libber rating. >> remarkable sentiment for someone whose been through so much herself. ed smart whose daughter elizabeth was abducted spending nine months in captivity and rebecca bailee and co-author of "safe kid, smart parents, what parents need to know to keep their children safe." how do they move on? how do you begin this process? >> well, i mean, i think today was one of those points where they can start moving forward because when you don't know whether you're going to have a trial or whether there will be a plea deal, there is always that

anxiety of, you know, what am i going to have to face? what am i going to have to do? do i have to relive this nightmare? can it be over with? can't we move forward. there is a lot of people that think, well, it's very empowering and certainly, for some it may be very empowering, for others, it can be crippling and make life very did i have couple for them. i think the fact that they have been able to pretty much stay out of the limelight is a good thing, whether they decide to -- i mean, as michelle was saying, help other people or whether they decide to just start moving on, living their life and finding a new life is each of their own choices. so i'm excited for them. they have this opportunity of having this behind them at this point. certainly, it was, you know, a huge point for our family to have mitchell sentenced and to

have the ordeal over with. >> and rebecca, you and i have discussed this before and one of the women echoed it in her video tape statement. she said this is something that happened to me or done to me, it's not who i am. it seems to me that is a key point for anybody that survives something like that to really, not only iunderstand and move forward. >> i agree 100% with what mr. smart said, this being a day they were all able to make choices, whether they were in court or not and to move forward and begin the process of deciding where they want to go from this point. so a very important day. >> rebecca, i want to play something else that she said in court today. let's listen. >> you took 11 years of my life away, and have i got it back. i spent 11 years in hell.

now your hell is just beginning. i will overcome all this that happened, but you have faced hell forrer ternty. from this moment on, i will not let you define me or affect who i am. you will live, i will live on. >> rebecca, what have you learned from survivors? i mean, that people who are watching this now can apply in their own lives in different ways? i'm fascinated why some people are able to survive the worst, the most unimageble things and others aren't. >> well, again, i think it's the meaning that you make occupant of it out of the event that occurs and it's pretty soon for these girls to really get an understanding of that, but clearly, they are beginning to grasp that. it's the meaning as you move forward, as you move beyond the

event -- >> so you have to create a meaning about it or narrative about it? >> some narrative in -- to make sense of it because it's such a senseless act. the things that these women have endur endured, is senseless. i was saying earlier that a psychopath in there never have to say think are sorry. they never have to feel it. that's part of the seduction of being a psychopath in my mind. but understanding that and moving forward is the ability to let go that the event or the events that happened to you define who you are for the rest of your life. >> and ed -- >> really important piece. >> ed, elizabeth testified against her captor and read something. i want to play what she said immediately afterwards. i want to listen. >> i told him that -- i told ryan dpaifd mitchell today in

court that whether he received his just sentence here on earth or after this earth, one day he'll have to be responsible for his actions. >> how did you prepare your daughter as a family to sit in that courtroom, to face that person? >> you know, i think one of the most important things that, you know, the prosecutors did was to help elizabeth understand why she was doing this, and that this wasn't necessarily a choice, it was something she just had to do, and they worked with her to help her understand, and i think that preparing for it enabled her to be able to get up there and do it, and i think that that is something that takes time. i mean, i can't tell you how worried i was initially when elizabeth came home and wondered what kind of hell she was going to have to go through, and, you

know, i would have certainly preferred this plea deal at this time and yet, nine years later, elizabeth was able to get up there and mitchell was such a coward he did his singing and had to be escorted to another room and only heard her voice rather than see her. i think that each person gets to that point in their own due time and maybe some people don't even get there, but i think to be able to say i'm not going to let -- this is not me. what you did to me was not me is such an important point. and it's at that point that you can say, you know, this wasn't me. i'm moving forward. this is -- this is me. this is -- this is not what everyone knows of me, but this is me. >> and rebecca, you've written about what parents can tell kids and how to keep kids safe. do you think there is value?

i found the value in looking in this man's eyes and seeing his face and seeing that this is what a psychopath looks like and not necessarily on the face of it someone you would pick out of a lineup as being a monster. >> i agree. that's why we say the notion of stranger danger doesn't really work because there is no absolute prototype of what they look like. i wanted to add that jaycee chose not to be in court and i just -- because i think as ed pointed out earlier, there is so many individual differences in how people process because she chose not to give him another minute of her life and that's what she said and said publicly. again, so much person has to come to terms with how they want to handle an event, and for some people sitting in that courtroom is the most important thing in the world and for other people to process it elsewhere with people, you know, that support them and love them can be as

equally as healing. >> ed smart, rebecca bailee, thanks for being on. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you. just ahead, what life has been for ariel castro's neighbors and why at least one man is moving away. edward snowden has more leg room and free to roam anywhere in russia for the next year. i'll talk to his father next. to discover the heart-pounding exhilaration beyond the engineering. ♪ come to the golden opportunity sales event to experience the precision handling of the lexus performance vehicles, including the gs and all-new is. ♪ this is the pursuit of perfection.

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welcome back. as pamela brown reported earlier, a model of his house in west cleveland sat in the courtroom as prosecutors described in horrific detail what he did to captors. we saw photographs taken inside the house and learned how bleak the prison was. under the plea deal he made, castro will have to pay to have the house at 2207 sea moore avenue torn down. for his neighbors thanks moment can't come soon enough. >> reporter: on seymour avenue, neighbors want one thing, the neighborhood back. >> he's history. that's all that is. so, we just want our neighborhood to be back to normal. >> reporter: back to normal for daniel who lived here 48 years, means no more police cars, no more satellite trucks, and no

more authorities funneling in and out of castro's home. marty says he's proud of the women who escaped. he just saw gina dejesus yesterday. he calls what castro did monsterous. >> reporter: is it hard to look across the street and look at the house? >> that house should have been torn down yesterday, for real. we don't like it. >> reporter: this man is so disgusted by what happened here, he's moving out of the neighborhood. he says too many strangers are blaming neighbors for not catching on to castro's scheme. you feel like people blame you -- >> they blame everybody. >> reporter: they blame everybody in the neighborhood because the girls weren't rescued? >> yeah. >> reporter: how does that make you feel? >> bad. >> reporter: he says castro's home is a tourist attraction. he's sick of it. soon there won't be anything to see here anymore. as soon as next week it will be demolished, part of the plea agreement. the land it sits on is expected

to be turn into a neighborhood park. while some will be happy to see the house go, one things it's a bad idea to have kids play on the spot where horror occurred. he would like the house to be turn into a museum, a reminder to parents to keep a close eye on your children. he lives behind it. is it over or does this neighborhood struggle with it? >> i don't think it's completely over because the man got away with it for ten years. he made a mockery of our judicial system. >> reporter: he said the ordeal hurt his tattoo business. he's ready to move on. >> i have police sitting here on the driveway, the street and a lot of my clients don't affiliate themselves or like to be adored by cleveland police themselves. >> reporter: so your business took a hit? >> yeah, it took a nice one. >> reporter: at the church just down the block from castro's home, reverendhoyer has been

busy these past pew monfew mont offering comfort to neighbors. >> i hope i can convince them they should not have ill feelings because if they had known, they would have helped. if you don't know what is going on and comes to a complete shock, you're the victim as much as they are. >> did the reverend talk about the women kept inside that home at all? >> reporter: he did, anderson. he said he really found peace in knowing that these women were living just down the street and that's because he believes they were able to hear his church bells ringing on sundays. he believes they heard them twice ringing on holidays and given him a whole lot of peace. he said not even ariel castro is able to keep that beautiful sound of his church bells from coming through the walls of his home and into the ears of those women. he said those bells gave those

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we don't know exactly where in russia edward snowden is tonight but he's not held up in moscow's airport. he'll be able to live and work in russia for a year. the white house says they were not given a heads up. >> we are extremely disappointed

that the russian government would take this step despite our clear and lawful requests in public and private to have mr. snowden expelled to the united states to face the charges against him. he's not a distent, whistle blower. he's charged with a crime. >> the white house says it's reconsidering whether president obama will meet with putin next month. some in congress are calling for a stronger response. in the meantime there are reports snowden is getting job offers. lo lon snowden and his attorney bruce vine join me tonight. mr. snowden, when you heard the news today, what did you think? what went through your mind? >> i was surprised. i didn't expect it. i was thankful . it was a good day. a positive step, one more step of many. we have work to do here on u.s. soil. we being folks who are concerned about these surveillance, the unconstitutional surveillance programs and that really is

where my focus is at the time. >> there is obviously the larger issue that you're now concerned about and also very personal issue of your son and his future. have you spoken to him? do you have any idea where he's gone? do you hope to go there? >> i have not spoken directly to my son and i don't intend to do so until the appropriate time and i believe that will be sometime. we communicated through entpeop >> i spoke to the russian lawyer that represents him. we discussed the train of events needed for us to obtain visas to travel to moscow and have an opportunity to discuss with his attorney the possibility of legal representation of edward not united states, make certain all legal avenues are fully made known to edward in deciding what he wishes to do, and if things

go according to expectations, i would anticipate something like september 1 would be a time frame to think that the visit would be made. >> lon, when we spoke last night, bruce referenced the fact there might come a time when it's constructive to figure if there is a solution in the interest of all sides that honors due process and the highest princeiples in sievelation. do you see a time edward could return to the united states or conditions you could imagine that happening? >> certainly, i can imagine that. and we've been, again, trying to work to gain assurances that due process would be afforded to my son, but that just has -- that's been not there at this point. you've had people on, lindsey gram, they are using the same tired old tactics of now they are complaining about president

val putin doing everything to extract the issues at hand instead of focussing on the programs. they lack the courage to focus on these programs. they do not want to be confronted. what the truth and most importantly american people well-informed and have the truth. >> anderson, i would like to interject many members condemned edward as a coward, why isn't he coming back? they poisoned the atmosphere that would give a fair trial. >> you don't think he would get a fair trial? >> no. there is not a single statement out of the attorney general or president of the united states that edward snowden has a p presumption of innocence -- >> is that something they need to publicly say --

>> of course, because there are people out there in their own party and even the secretary of state john kerry saying openly that mr. snowden is guilty of treason. so they do need to say that because it's not against the background of silence. this is the secretary of state making that statement on voice of america the same time he's saying well we want a fair trial for edward. that's not a way to get a fair trial. that's a way to get a jury rigged in advance. >> it's hypocrisy. >> do you believe -- i don't know if the word safe is right. clearly president obama is upset about the russian government and i would assume there may be fallout at the g 20 and one would assume the obama administration may continue to talk to the rush government privately to revoke the asylum. do you trust this year-long asylum is what it is? >> well, i certainly have confidence in -- and again, it's a matter of trust, and based on

what i have seen thus far, i have trust and faith and confidence in those people who have taken my son in and are trying to keep him safe and secure. now do i think he's going to be in condition where he can be safe in public for sometime? no. i think it's going to be a long time before my son can safely walk the streets and function as a -- as a normal human being. i don't know that that will ever happen again. certainly, there are people who are revenge. there are folks elected to function as leaders and function as politicians. so no, my son is not safe per se i do believe that the russian government and his attorney and the rush people in general, they want to keep him safe and secure so i'm thankful he's in russia.

>> bruce, there are some people watching this story tonight and i'll hear on twitter, who will say look, edward snowden is seeking asylum where the guy running it is a kgb officer and not interested in transparency in their own dealings and say if edward snowden is interest in transparency, why is he in russia? should people look where he is as a -- some sort of reflex of him or to you is it just this is where events have brought him? >> i think they need to look why he is in russia and not the united states. it's because we need to look at what we did to provoke the disclose seres he made and forced him to go abroad because he couldn't receive a fair trial with people convicting him of freezen before he's even had a single day in court before there has even been a chance to test the constitutionality of the criminal complaints. that's the problem. nobody is trying to suggest that russia or other countries may be

human rights p. we are controlling our own country and these are distractions of reck flying what is wrong. not because the united states is worse than russia. i think that's ridiculous. it's because we've only become a better country, patriots that save our country from its government if we look at our own errors and correct them before we lek sure othcure others. >> i would like to say something, anderson. i hope the american people after the show will go to youtube and watch his 12-minute video and the 7-minute video released sometime later. listen to that. that is ed snowden. listen to what he said because as the days pass and more information comes out, it's becoming much more difficult and virtually impossible for those in congress in the intelligence committees to dispute who he said. that's the truth that needs to be heard, and that terrifies the

members on these intelligence committees and folks in congress, and, you know, as a matter of fact, they made it impossible for folks in the united states army to even listen to those videos. >> lon snowden, good to have you on. bruce vine as well. we'll be right back. golden opportunity sales event to experience the precision handling of the lexus performance vehicles, including the gs and all-new is. ♪ this is the pursuit of perfection.

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