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>> stop. >> stop! >> leave that boy alone! >> but the driver did not step in, and it's raising a ton of questions. pamela brown has more. >> get somebody help, quick, quick, quick, quick. they're about to beat this boy to death. please get help quick. there's nothing i can do. >> the driver john moody looks on in horror, pleading with the dispatcher to send is someone to stop the vicious attack. >> i've got a fight. i need help in a hurry. i got a fight. >> reporter: police say three 15-year-olds attacks the 13-year-old after he told school officials that one had tried to sell him drugs. >> stop! stop! >> reporter: you can hear the 13-year-old's cries for help as he's mercilessly punched and stomped. police say the attackers broke the victim's arm and stole his money. the three boys were arrested on
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aggravated battery charges. according to pinellas county school policy, the driver is not required to intervene, only to call dispatch. moody says he was too afraid to step in. >> the three boys just jumped on him and started pounding on him. and i did all i can. i was looking. it was like i was in shock. i was petrified. >> pinellas county leaves it up to the driver but counties actually forbid drivers from physically stopping fights. moody won't face charges but the 64-year-old could have done more, they said. >> there was clearly an opportunity for him to intervene and or check on the welfare of the child in this case. and he didn't make any effort to do so. >> while his attorney says that was not an pgs 0, moody says he's haunted by the attack wondering if he could have done more. >> i wanted to help him so bad. i wanted to help him so bad. i wanted to help him. good afternoon, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. nice to have you here with us.
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i want to continue on that story, the legal side of that story. there is one thing that driver could do. one thing. could actually testify against those boys if those boys face those charges. so let's bring in our legal panel, criminal defense attorney nicole joins me now. exactly what is our duty to respond as citizens, especially if we as citizens sometimes find ourselves caring for youngsters. brian, your first thoughts when you heard about this. what were they? >> my first thoughts about this case were it's sort of one of those situations where heads, you lose, tails you lose. there's no winning situation for this driver under these circumstances. if he intervenes and got involved it that situation, one of the other boys got hurt, he could be subject to criminal liability. he could be drawn into a civil lawsuit. on the other hand, what he did was call the dispatcher. he said there was a problem here, he needs help in a hurry.
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all of these things were going on. he did what he was supposed to do, but yet he still gets criticized under the circumstances. what does the law require in a situation like this? probably exactly what this driver did under these circumstances. he did what he was obligated to do under the law and with his employment with the school district or the bus company, and that's about all you can expect of him in these situations. >> that's amazing that you brought that up because it is a little bit tricky. some jurisdictions with the school districts actually say you can't intervene. some jurisdictions say you can if you think it's safe. and this is one of those jurisdictions, nicole, are where he had to make the call if it was safe. he is a 64-year-old man who is about to retire, decided it wasn't safe. when you look at that video, i think a lot of people might think twice. that looked like an incredibly violent situation with three burly teenagers. >> exactly. i think that this driver did
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exactly what he was supposed to do. if he had interjected himself into that circumstance before he was able to call for help and got himself hurt to the point where he wasn't able to call for help, that young man would have been in a much worse circumstance than he was. i think the driver has to assess the circumstance and decide whether he can do anything that makes a difference or whether he's just going to get himself hurt and not be able to help the child. i think he did the right thing. i'm completely on the side of the driver. >> let's talk about, there's a difference between criminal and civil, obviously. brian, if you're talking about the criminal issues, the authorities are said they're having a tough time finding something to charge him with, given the circumstances and the law in this jurisdiction. it may be different somewhere else. but what about that 13-year-old's family? can they do something with the a, the driver, b, the school district, c, the bus company in terms of some kind you have civil litigation? >> so the bus driver's not going to have any criminal liability for this. that's pretty clear.
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he can testify against the boys involved in. as far as the parents of the boy, is the boy himself, do they have a civil lawsuit against the driver? i don't think so. i don't think is he violated any civil laws in the case. they might have a case against the school district. if this boy was already had informed on these other boys about some alleged drug activity and they didn't protect the boy that very well may end up being a civil case there, that they knew the boy was in a situation where he could be in danger. all facts would have to be developed. we'd have to see exactly what was there. but civil liability might follow and certainly against those three boys and their parents. >> well, i know this is likely a real wake-up call for a lot of school districts, and school bus companies who have to deal with the possibility that kids are getting a little tougher, sometimes actually brandishing weapons and some of these drivers are a lot older, as well. likely not an issue that's going to go away. hold the thoughts if you will,
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brian and nicole. wait on this. >> we're checking a couple of other other top stories. unprecedented decision. 19 u.s. embassies across the middle east and north africa closed for business right through until saturday. it's a move that was triggered by heavy internet chatter, including senior al qaeda operatives but it's about possible terrorist attacks. what's most troubling to united states officials this morning is that they don't know the the potential target or targets or locations thus far. a gay man says he and his partner were forced to sit at the back of the bus literately after the driver saw them holding hands and just to be clear, check your calendar. it's 2013. ron mccloy said they had just flown into albuquerque for pride fest last month and this is what happened on the airport shuttle. >> i saw him look at us, look
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down at our hands and he looked so angry and blurted out at me, okay, if you're going to do that, you're going to the back of the bus. i think it's because you didn't like the fact that i was holding my partner's hand. he goes, see, now you're telling on yourself. i'm like what? and my partner at that point is like, that's discrimination. then the driver just responds, well, see, you're telling on yourself again. >> well, the bus company says that the driver's behavior was in fact inappropriate and the two men have filed a complaint with the american civil liberties union. brett see cat being sentenced today for murder of his wife.p. a jury in kansas convicted him, a former police officer in june in the shooting and killing of vashty sea cat and setting their home on fire to cover up the crime. they had two little boys who were inside the home at the time of all of this. they did manage to escape and were not hurt but seacat is
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going to face a mandatory sentence of life in prison and won't be eligible for parole for at least 25 years. he is a baseball superstar. the highest paid player in american sports. and one of the most powerful sluggers in the history of the new york yankees. that's the good news. but within the hour, all of that could come crashing down for one man known well as a-rod. alex rodriguez. major league baseball is expected to suspend him for at least 214 games for his alleged use of performance enhancing drugs. and his alleged links to the now closed biogenesis, a clinic accused of distributing peds, the perform, enhancing drugs. but if it happens and fun rodriguez appeals, be he could still be playing in tonight's yankees game. due to injuries, it would be his first game with the yankees this season. rachel nichols joins us live with the latest. rachel, i know you probably did not miss this new york post
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cover that came out this morning. i think that the face says it all, but certainly the headline just go says a whole lot more. give me your take on this. >> i think that's the headline of the day. competition of the tabloids around here, i think that is definitely the winner. look, this is a soap opera of epic proportions. it is only getting stranger as we go here. his suspension is expected sometime this afternoon. but as you mentioned, you will probably still see him on the field with the new york yankees tonight in chicago, of course, playing his first game of the season on this day, why not? the reason is because if baseball suspends him under their drug policy, under their joint drug agreement, then players are allowed to play while they are appealing and a-rod has certainly said he will appeal. now, the baseball commissioner's office did leak last week that they were possibly considering suspending him under the commissioner's powers. and that would mean in "the best interests of the game," a-rod
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would be kept off the field while he appeals. you think huh, that might make sense for baseball avoiding a circus but not so good for due process. and they've decided it is probably better or at least the we're expecting them to decide it is better to let him have his say to play while he appeals, go through the letter of the law. that way they'll have a better shot of an arbitrator holding up their side. >> that's sort of like medium/interim term. what about long-term? what about the idea this could be a lifetime ban? is that a reality. >> not at this point. it was something that was dangled last week. it is not expected to happen today. that was really a strategy on baseball's part to push alex rodriguez to the bargaining table. that idea of total ex-communication. by threatening that, they wanted to bargain with him. you might say wait a minute, when my parents grounded me when i was a teenager, nobody bargained with me over my suspension. the reason why baseball wanted his cooperation is they wanted to avoid exactly what's about to
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happen. this is going to get very ugly. they're going to suspend him. all the dirty little details will come out. both sides are giving press conferences, not what they wanted. they wanted to agree on something, maybe something less than a suspension, have him agree to take it. that never happened. instead, we have a soap opera. >> the fans have been in on the bargain. i need to show it again. i thought it was such an incredible cover. who knows if he gets on the field again if they'll have a lot to say in the stands. rachel nichols, thank you for that. he's always on the ball. another big story in new york. gunfire in the middle of the night. maybe you've heard of that before but what about this. police chasing, shooting the suspect. suspect only 14 years old. and he is dead. did the officers have any other option? and what about that 14-year-old? there's some details you're going to want to know about. our legal team will dig into this one.
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down in the streets of new york. his killers nypd officers chasing him koun in the night. if that sounds like injustice at its worst, hold on because there's a whole lot more. the video certainly does help to tell the story in detail. the 14-year-old who died is seen on surveillance in a white shirt and was himself waving a.9 millimeter handgun targeting the boy at the bottom of the screen. police say he began to chase the victim. look at the chase. he's running towards him. when the police said drop your weapon, he did not. he chose instead to fire it again but he missed. so the two rookie officers who were giving chase instead fired at him and they did not miss. shaaliver douse died in the street, a 14-year-old who had himself been caught with a gun before. not to mention arrested on a charge of attempted murder before. that charge has since been
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dropped. but still the people who know him say that he, he is the victim of injustice. >> look at this baby. look at this young man. beautiful. the potential. what potential. you didn't even give this child a life. >> so the police are still investigating what happened. and the commissioner here, the police commissioner ray kelly said that the officers did not have a choice. >> i don't see what the officer coz have done any differently. someone shooting at one else and running down the street with a gun, they tell him to stop, drop the gun, words to that effect. a shot is fired on that street. i mean, i think they did what we would expect officers of any experience level to do. >> and yet, again, i have another headline to show you. here it is right here. and it's a bloody gun. another day, another bloody scene. so i want to bring in our legal
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panel, i'm sure they have a lot to say on this one. one of the things i think, and i'll start with you, brian, people have been very torn over is that this is a 14-year-old and he has parents who are, no doubt, devastated about this, but this was a 14-year-old boy hell bent on killing someone and those gunshots could very easily have killed someone and it could have easily been the target's family out there saying look at this innocent face and he had so much promise. where are the police supposed to weigh in on this one? where is the mayor supposed to weigh in on this one, brian? >> well, the police in all these situations whatever there's a shooting will probably face some sort of a criminal investigation, somebody's going to look at this and determine whether or not they acted appropriately. it happens in almost every police case and almost always the police are exonerated from any criminal liability. then we turn to civil liability. in this case, you have a lot of
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videos and a lot of information. the police tend to gather around each other when this sort of thing happens and tell a particular story. so until all the evidence comes out, we don't know exactly what happened. but in this case, you know, a 14-year-old, 24-year-old, 34-year-old, someone with a gun running down the street shooting looks pretty bad. >> okay, nicole, of the aunt of this of 14-year-old boy, kiwana barseen is comparing her nephew to trayvon martin. it's never going to end. a child 14 years old. shot by police. is that fair? >> i don't think that it is fair. i don't think that these police officers had any choice whatsoever. what the case law says when it concerns use of force by a police officer is these situations are tense, uncertain and rapidly evolving. this was exactly that circumstance and in fact, the suspect in this particular circumstance had a gun. it doesn't take but a split
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second or less for that person with a gun to turn on police officers and fire. these officers had every reason to be in fear for their lives and every reason to shoot the suspect in this case. >> i'll tell you this. those are the family members, but there were neighbors, this is a high crime district. they have more police officers in this district because it's such a high crime district. and there were neighbors who said i can't walk down the street because this just happens all the time. the shootings, the gang-related activity. so we will see how this turns out and where the investigation goes. by the way, those two officers were rookies. just about a month or so out of cop school. how about that? brian kabatakc, nicole deboarde, stick around if you will. firefighters literally scattering. the home that they're trying to battle the blaze in collapsing nearly on to them. debris, fiery debris everywhere. find out how they got out alive and how this happened in the first place. lealong the jersey shore,g.
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quick thinking and great training turned out to really save a lot of lives. take a look at the video on the
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right hand side of your screen. a house fire in boyce i, turned into a raging inferno. the home crumbles virtually into nothing. back in time, one fireman noticed the wall of the house was starting to bow and warned crews to get out. 15 seconds later, that whole thing came crumbling down in flames. investigators are still trying to figure out how the fire started but thank god for those 15 seconds. this may not come as a surprise because it's really not much of a secret but law enforcement agencies use criminals to help them crack down on crime all the time. what might be shocking though is how often the informants themselves break the law in prosecuting their efforts. there's a report out by "usa today" that says fbi agents authorized on average about 15 crimes a day. i said that right. authorized 15 crimes a day. some of those crimes including buying and selling illegal drugs
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as well as plotting robberies. the fbi is not shying away from this, say says this is an essential but and you savory part of investigating criminal organizations. so this is a related story. the fbi began tracking crimes by informants about ten years ago, a move sparked by james "whitey" bulger's case with agents allowing him to operate a crime ring in exchange for information about the mob. so fast forward to today. closing arguments under way in none other than whitey bulger's murder and racketeering trial. make no mistake, they didn't authorize any murders but over the past seven weeks, the jurors have certainly heard from convicted gang centers, ex-drug dealers and families of victims about all of the alleged exploits. i want to bring in deb feyerick, outside the courthouse in boston. and i dare say, deb, you are a colleague. i have not seen you in person for a very long time because this trial has gone on for a very long time, and i now see
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the light at the end of the tunnel. how bright is it? >> reporter: well, it is bright, indeed. the prosecutor right now pulled no punches. they described bulger as "one of the most vicious calculating criminals ever to walk the streets of boston," and said he wasn't some robin hood protecting his community. he was a murderous thug who allowed drugs to freely flow into south boston. the prosecutor acknowledged the evidence was deeply disturbing because not only was it done under the nose of the fbi but also done because of rogue fbi'g who's protected bulger during this 20-year reign of terror. the prosecutor reminded the jury that the government's not on trial, the fbi is not on trial. whitey bulger is the one who pulled the trigger again and again and again in some 19 murders that he conspired to. now, the prosecutors had to really deal with the character of some of the government's star witnesses. specifically the hitman, the
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enforcer, also the crime partner. he called hem reprehensible and said "these men didn't hunt animals, they hunted people," and that made them the scariest people on the streets of boston. the prosecutor told the jury, look, the only thing worse than making a deal with these people was not making a deal with these people. he said they needed iwitnesss in order to dismantle this organization from the ground up and that's what they got. he told the jury don't don't focus on the inconsistencies. they're minimal. focus on ultimately the big picture of what whitey bulger was doing. whitey bulger sitting at that defense table, he was hunched. he was taking notes. he wasn't looking at the prosecutor or the judge. he just scribbled and scribbled and scribbled while the prosecutor made their case that in fact, the jury should find him guilty. ash. >> but one thing he did not do, he did not take the stand in his own defense. it will be fascinating stee what this jury is going to do.
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deb feyerick, please do come back. we miss you terribly. >> you bet. >> deb feyerick reporting live for us. i have a jail escape to show you. is it literally -- i can't stop watching. an arkansas inmate crawling through a window. hello. and out you go. rust me, this really was an incarceration. i don't know how you have a window like that. but when we come back, i'm going to show you how big that window was. here's the catch. this guy is armed dangerous and he's still out there. and it is not the first time he's done something like this. a lot of details coming at you next. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day women's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for women's health concerns as we age. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day women's 50+. thto fight chronic.s tosteoarthritis pain.h. to fight chronic low back pain. to take action. to take the next step.
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you would think that a guy who has a long rap sheet, charges of aggravated robbery, breaking and entering, burglary and fleeing, night not have a whole lot of support from his mommy. but police say a guy named derek estelle's own mommy helped him to escape from jail. take a good look.
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here he is. he made a run for this last week, squeezing through a sliding glass window and he is still on the run. and he is considered armed and dangerous. and if you're wondering how big a window a guy like this would have access to, it's 12 x 30. i was trying to figure out how 12 x 30 is so we did this cutout. it's big enough almost to do cartwheels through. this was the window apparently in the reception of this detention facility. think it's easy to get through that? yeah. especially when you might have help. nick va lenscyia explains the mom apparently isn't the only one suspected to be in on this. have a listen. >> derek estelle is on the run after this brazen jail break last week in garland county, arkansas. now police have identified another possible accomplice. his mother glenda estelle has been arrested for allegedly helping her 33-year-old son escape. according to the police report between june and july, a total
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of 40 calls were made between estell and her son detailing a plot to break free from the jail. >> this guy escaped just in march from another prison. you would think when he went to this new one, they would is have said this guy is a runner. >> police say estelle seen in this surveillance video talking on the phone right before his escape was speaking with his mother, according to a review of the call, his mother asks if he's still shackled. a short time later he jumps out the sliding glass window. >> they had their back turned at that time. >> police have also arrested william harding, suspected of distracting the guards and providing the getaway car and an arrest warrant has been issued for the driver of that car. tam ma ral upshaw. as for estelle, he was being held for allegedly stealing a car in march and leading police on a chase that ended with a standoff. >> typically in the past, any dealings with mr. estell, there's been -- he's been in possession of a phi arm.
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>> his rap sheet includes 26 charges of aggravated robbery, burglary and fleeing and breaking and sfwheerg thanks to nick for that report. and by the way, police do tell cnn he may attempt to go to dallas county, missouri, missouri, not texas. an area he has been protecting in the past along with his girlfriend who was the alleged get away driver. cnn has not been able to determine if his mom at this point has an attorney, but stand by for more on that one. checking some of our top stories now. we are getting new information about one of the passengers killed when an aseana airlines crash landed last month. the fire department supervisors were not alerted that a 16-year-old had been found near the plane. the video shows the girl was run over by a fire rig after she was
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covered by the foam fire retardant. the footage was recorded by a camera that was mounted on the helmet of a fire battalion chief. plant implosion in california that went horribly wrong. everything looks like it's going according to plan. just as most implosions do, but this one in bakersfield resulted in five people being injured because the debris flew so hard far, it hit the crowds. one person was so badly injured he had his leg amputated. he may lose both legs. so quite a serious result from that implosion. in another story making top headlines, a house of horrors in cleveland, ohio. ariel castros home where he held three women captive for a decade is set to be demolished perhaps sometime this week, and family members are there today. they are allowed to gather items like musical instruments and
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tools from the garage, but if they find any money, money they have been told to turn it over to authorities. tonight at 9:00 eastern, piers morgan will talk to an expert how castro's victims can possibly move forward with any sense of normalcy in their lives. a father already convicted in his own step son's death is testifying as his own son goes on trial for that death. here's what joshua gel ker said earlier about this killing. >> it's one murder. you know, it's not like it was a whole bunch of murders. >> just one. not like it's a whole bunch of murders. you heard right. wait until you hear why he said that. [ tires screech ] [ beeping ] ♪ [ male announcer ] we don't just certify our pre-owned vehicles. we inspect, analyze and recondition each one,
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not just any trial, a trial of a 17-year-old boy who is accused of helping his own father murder his own little stepbrother. and the witness is the father himself. joshua gouker is going to take the stand. he bleeded get last month to the beating death of 148-year-old trey zwicker. that death happened behind a high school in louisville. he's going to serve a life sentence for that, and he is on the stand in his own son's trial right now. gouker's son joshua young is charged with something called come policity to murder and complicit to tampering with evidence. at the time of all of this, he was only 15. you look at him in the courtroom and he looks even younger than that now. but he too is going to face a potential of life in prison if convicted of this crime. and just a short time ago, his dad explained why he killed his stepson. >> it just felt right at the
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time, but that wasn't why i did it. i mean, it's not like i wanted trey to die or if i could do it over i'd kill him again. none of that, you know. i mean, his mother killed a couple of mine. and it just felt right. i mean, i know it sounds monstrous and all that [ bleep ]. but it's not. if we was in the old testament it would be the say thing. >> wow. you don't often see that, but then again, he's already got the uniform on, the jump suit. he ain't going anywhere. why not take the rap, are right? or maybe not. i want to bring back our two attorneys brian cav ba tech and the former prosecutor nicole deboard. brian, it's such a weird dynamic when you have a father and son and the victim is a stepson. do you think jurors can see right through the orange jump suit, the mea culpa, the filthy language? do they see right through that and say you're just trying to
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expect your kid? it's obvious? >> i'm not sure. i'm not sure why the prosecutor is putting them on, him on in their case. i mean, his testimony is going to be or has been at least at this point i did it. now there's earlier testimony where he said that joshua, the defendant in the case, did it. and then he switched back and he says, no, i did it. i acted alone. i'm not sure why the prosecutor is butting this guy on in their case in chief. and then you have a jury looking at someone who, as you indicated, ashleigh, looks now like he's younger than 15. he's 17 now. but was 15 at the time. they're going to look at him and the monster that's on the stand. i'm just trying to understand why a prosecutor would put this guy on the stand in the first place. >> it's weird. it's a ping-pong match honestly. >> very weird. >> i have the benefit of watching tv monitors. if you're sitting in that courtroom, i assume that you can only go back and forth between the monster on the stand who is fully admitting what a monster
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he is and that cherub faced baby at the defense table accused of one of the most heinous crimes americans can be an us cooed of. listen to something the monster on the stand said about i am a liar. have a look. >> [ bleep ] i've lied this whole [ bleep ] time except since arraignment court. i told you i've done it, admitted everything i've done. i've been sentenced for it, life in prison. yet, here i am going over the same [ bleep ] story. >> well, how about this, nicole. is this a matter of the prosecutor saying if we just put him up there, it will be so over the top that the jury will see through this and they will see that this is a family of horrors? i'm trying to figure this one out. >> yeah, i think it's a really difficult call for the prosecution. i mean, i think it's very possible if they chose not to call him, that the jurors would be wondering what on earth they
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were trying to hide. they might find themselves in a catch 22. do we call the guy and at least direct the testimony by asking the questions we want answered and let them see we're not hiding anything, or do they take the gamble that the defense gets to call him and have this guy say, i've been trying to tell everyone the same story since the beginning and be stuck trying to impeach him with cross. it's a tough call. this is the choice they made. we'll see how it pans out. >> will we ever. i got to say every time i see a defendant like this i think the king brothers were the last time i couldn't take my eyes off them in florida, oscar and derek king look like babies. they look like babies. i know that's not lost on jurors. don't go anywhere. hold your thoughts for a moment because i'm going to have to mind them in a moment. a secret government program that may be far more reaching than the one conducted by the nsa. and guess what, yup, it's targeting you, american citizens. not terrorists in some foreign
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agents to cover-up investigations of american citizens. i will repeat that. the dea is asking their agents to cover up some of the work they've done while they've been investigating americans. fellow americans. reuters says this is a secret program that it has nothing 20 do with social security like the terrorism and everything you've been hearing about before by the nsa carried out by special operations division. that's sob for short. reuters says it includes two dozen agencies including the fbi, the cia, the nsa, the irs, and the department of homeland security. reuters also says that the s.o.d. funnels information from intel intercepts like wiretap, iran formants. this massive database of telephone records and they funnel that stuff to officials right across the country. some of the legal experts are saying this a program that violates any defendant's constitutional right to a fair trial. but look, we lie all the time
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and it's legal to lie when you're trying to solve crimes if you're a cop. so i want to get a little bit deeper on this with the person who did the investigation in the first place. john shift moin is the co-author of the reuters report and joining us again is brian kabateck. john, i tried best i could to boil this down, but i want to get the essence of what this really means and why this matters to somebody, say, in poughkeepsie or in idaho watching right now. >> well, it matters because what the agents are doing is, it's not so much the way in which they conduct the investigations. it's the manner in which they hide what they're doing. so if you're in idaho and you get arrested, you get pulled over by a state trooper. and they make a drug case against you. the state trooper would write down in his report and would testify that the case began when he pulled you over for speeding. but in fact, what's been happening is in many cases, be is that this dea center called
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the s.o.d. has been receiving tips and passing them along to other law enforcement agencies across the country. passing along the tips is fine. probably. but what -- what's wronging is according to many experts is the fact that dea and other agencies have inyou can haved the people that receive the tips never to reveal that they will have received these tips. >> okay, why. john, why, if there's nothing wrong with how they began the case and like you said, it didn't start with the roadside stop, it started well before that when the feds sent theive foe to the locals and said do a roadside stop and get this guy. if there was nothing wrong with what the feds did originally, why are they covering it up? >> the dea says they do it to protect surs sources and methods. notice common courts there are procedures for protecting sources.
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you go before a judge, evidence is presented. in this cases, a lot of times prosecutors don't even know. i interview aid current prosecutor. when the prosecutor pushed it turned out it came from a nsa wiretap. the prosecutor was angry. it infringes on a defendant's right to defendant himself. >> okay. that makes more sense now. jump in here with me, bryan. is this a situation where the discovery is only half because you're not getting anything before say that roadside stop. you're not getting the wiretaps on those informants reports or ultimately does it come out in the wash just a little too late? >> it's outrageous. if this story is accurate.
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it's a violation of the united states constitution. it's a violation of the obligation that every prosecutor has from the lowest level prosecutor to the federal government in the justice department to turn over all evidence to the defense attorney, the defense team and defendant they had in the case. if this is accurate it could mean dozen, maybe hundreds of criminal convictions will be set aside when this comes out. i can't believe this slow drift into this lack of privacy and the kind of information the government is getting. this sounds like another example of it. >> john, i want to be real clear. is what you're reporting that all of that information prior to, i'm going to use the example of the guy getting pulled over after the feds tipped off the locals to pull him over. all of that origination
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information doesn't become public. the defendant never gets to con front the aspects that led to the original drive and pull over? >> according to the agents that we talked to, we talked to more than a dozen former agents and prosecutors and according to the training slides that we posted on reuters.com. the agents are instructed to do something called parallel construction. you carve out and recreate the investigation. >> that sounds really ugly. it doesn't sound legal not with our constitution. you have the right to front your accusers and what you're accused of and parallel construction soind sounds like tit's an eraser. thank you. more than two decades ago she falsely accused an innocent man of rape and last week she made her first payment for the defamation case that she went up
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against and lost. update on this case when we return.
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kits that have sat untouched in texas for decades are finally going to be tested. the texas tribune is reporting this is thanks to $11 million set aside in texas for the
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department of public safety to analyze the dna evidence they collected. it's estimated that between 16 and 20,000 kits are sitting untested in that state. nationwide it's awful. there are about 400,000 of those kits. she made national headlines more than quarter of a century ago but she's now only beginning to pay for her wrong doings. if the name tawana brawley sounds familiar, it should. she was 15 years old when she falsely accused a police officer and white men of raping her. not just raping her but scrawling racial terms on her and left her in trash can. he called for racial justice for tawana. >> the victim identified him and miss brawley's family said that.
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she's been in public and private gatherings where it's been discussed. there's no evidence to the contrary. >> it turns out it was a hoax. she lied to avoid getting in trouble. she was sued for defamation. for 26 years she hadn't paid a dime of the $400,000 judgment against her. last week that changed. she made her first payment. she could end up paying for the rest of her life. the man who won the suit seays e will forgive her if she will apologize and officially clear his name. that's all the time we have on this program. thank you so much for watching. "around the world" starts after this short break.
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19, that's how many u.s. embassies and consulates are closed for the week. how this is impacting travel around the world. a string of prison breaks could be one of the causes. a look at how al qaeda is tied to some of these attacks. alex rodriguez could find out his fate any moment as he face allegations that he used banned drugs. we'll follow that story through the the hour. i'm suzanne malveaux. michael is off