"erin burnett outfront" starts right now. a murder suspect on the run with a 16-year-old girl. we have a major development to tell you about. and president obama breaks his silence on edward snowden. what he really thinks about the nsa leaker. and inside the mind of a killer. a man admits to killing his wife and then posting a photo of her body on facebook. why? let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett outfront on this friday. a crucial sighting, a major break in the nationwide manhunt for suspected murderer, james dimaggio. horseback riders said they saw two people who lacked like dimaggio and hanna anderson on

wednesday. >> they did seem to think the two of them were out of place in that area with the light camping equipment they had. it is very rugged terrain, but the people on horseback, the four individuals, were out in that area. they thought it was just unique that they ran across them up there. >> now, police today are telling cnn, they found dimaggio's car, this is crucial, in the river of no return wilderness area, near cascade, ohio. that is about 70 miles northeast of the capital of idaho, boise. it's a manhunt tonight. the fbi and local authorities are searching the area and are hoping to find the two before they lose daylight, so really right now, a race against time. and "outfront" tonight, i want to go to paul ver cammen. i know there were a couple of updates there at a press conference that they just told you about. >> they said it was a single rider on horseback, and he said at while first blush, he didn't

seem to think anything was odd, then this man and this teenage girl that he came across, later on in retrosuspect, he decided there was something very odd about this encounter. also, dmablgioimaggio's car. thad that warning yesterday about the fear that it might be booby trapped. so far they have not scoured or investigated this car. the car was left at a trailhead, and where the hikers responded was so remote that only by horseback or by foot that you could get there, and that was a good 6 to 8 miles from the trailhead. they say that's a really important part of this whole search, because they've got to fan out through the entire area, communications very difficult, sat phones will be used. they're also going at this by air, so they can get over and canvass the area, see if they can spot them. you might also recall, erin, we've been pressed hard by the authorities to warn everybody that it seemed that not only could dimaggio be armed with homemade explosives, but that they believe that he has been gearing up for weeks and had purchased camping equipment, in

a way preparing for this moment, when he would head off into the wilderness. >> and paul, let me just ask you, i know you were talking about the difficulty communicating and sat phones. you know, you go to that part of the country and you don't have cell phone service. they've got to use sat phones. but let me just emphasize something you said. they believe that they are on foot. not that they have gotten some other sort vehicle or transportation and left the area, right? >> reporter: in order to leave the area, they would have to have gone back, somehow, and picked up another trailhead to get a vehicle, and from the description that we received both here out of san diego and boise, it, again, was 6 to 8 miles from the trailhead. also, the man who observed them on horseback saw this backpack, these backpacks, plural, a key to their, as i said, probably gearing up and preparing for some sort of trek into the wilderness. >> all right, paul vercammen, thank you very much, has been covering this story for us.

i want to bring in don burrelli, along with erin runnion, her 5-year-old daughter was abducted from her front lawn in 2002, she was found a day later, killed. but she now runs a foundation dedicated to preventing crimes against children. don, let me start with you, now that we've just had this update out of the sheriff's office. they seem to be getting closer. they found a car. they think that there's no other way that they could have gotten out of this area. they're believed to be on foot, camping gear, but it's getting near dark. do you think this is something, they're going to find them quickly, or? >> it's hard to tell. looking back and when the hunt for eric rudolph in the mountains, it took months, and then, ultimately, never found him, and using helicopters and planes with infrared cameras and what not. >> even with all the technology. >> but it depends hon how well he knows this area. the trail could still be fairly

fresh. so they could even have tracking dogs along with the air support, people on the ground, horseback, and whatever resources are available. the fbi actually trains for this kind of situation. they've been in this situation before, tracking people in the wilderne wilderness, with the local authorities. so right now, i would probably give the advantage to law enforcement. it just depends on how long this is going to take. >> and obviously the big question, of course, as we've reported and as many of you know, there have been reports that dimaggio could have explosives with him, and of course that his house had burnt down and this girl's mother and brother were in that home and have perished. so what he might do to this girl is the crucial question. now, erin, witnesses say they've saw two peep that looked like dimaggio and hanna together, they had light camping gear. i want to ask you about that. if it turns out she didn't resist the abduction, how does

something like that come about? >> well, i think just to reiterate, that we don't know yet. it is definitely too soon to speculate. and i think the most likely scenario is, indeed, that this is a traumatized child who hasn't even had time to cope with the horror of her mother and brother's murder. and she's terrified and very likely not resisting at this point out of that fear. but having said that, it is very common for teenagers and young adolescents to be groomed for abduction and for exploitation and trafficking. they are the most vulnerable group of population that we have when it comes to being manipulated into self-exploitation. having said that, complicit victims are not victims. they're still very much victims. >> a very important point to make, whatever the situation might be, don. but obviously, at this sighting that we've been reporting, and of course the car being missing nearby would corroborate that.

that was three days after this started. and that would have meant that hanna anderson was still alive and still okay. so does that mean, do you think, that he intends to keep it that way, or is this going to be a situation which she could be some sort of a hostage? >> it's hard to predict the mind of somebody that is this sick, that would do this. so which way it's going to go, i hate to predict that. hopefully, law enforcement will be able to process that car and get some additional clues. one of the things i think -- >> right, and i should note, they haven't had time to do that yet. >> and one of the things they'll be able to find out, if there's any explosive residue or booby traps. that could be a game changer when it comes to coming to a situation if they're found. >> and how important is the public's help. especially in this case, if we don't know what his intentions might be or what he might do. it would seem one thing, you don't want to get involved in the sense of intervening, you just want to make a call.

>> right. absolutely. absolutely. anybody who knows anything, who may have overheard him or seen what he was purchasing, any information that they can give to law enforcement, we need all of the information that we can get. at the same time, i would encourage people not to jump to conclusions about her mind-set and what she is, you know, whether or not she is a willing participant. it's highly unlikely. >> all right. well, thanks very much to both of you. we appreciate your time and we're, of course, hoping that they find them and find hanna safely tonight before it is dark in idaho. and we're going to keep following that story if there are updates later this hour. in the meantime, president obama has finally discussed edward snowden. and he said what he really thinks. plus, anthony weiner off the rails, formally this time. we'll show you how he lost it. and a month after the george zimmerman trial, the numbers are in. how much did taxpayers have to pay? and later, oprah says she was snubbed at a store and she says that it was because of the color of her skin.

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we have breaking news right the now. our kyung lah is reporting that san diego mayor, bob filner, who of course is accused of sexually harassing more than a dozen woman, has left a quote/unquote intensive treatment early. now, you'll remember, filner said last month, he was going to begin a two-week therapy program on august 5th. now, if that's the case, he was only in treatment for four days or so. filner had originally said he would return to office on august 19th. but the pressure is building for him to step down as mayor. today, california senator barbara boxer wrote a personal

letter to the mayor, urging him to resign. now our second story "outfront," damage control. the president today, for the first time, saying what he really thinks of edward snowden. >> no, i don't think mr. snowden was a patriot. >> that was pretty direct. and it was the first time he talked about it like that. i want to bring in chad sweet, "outfront," former cia and dhs official, and founder of the heritage foundation. chad, always lake having you on. let me just also say, the president talked about this surveillance, and i actually liked the way that he addressed it. he said, people think i'm willy-nilly watching, but it's not really like that. here's how he said it. >> and a general impression has, i think, taken hold, not only among the american public, but also around the world, that somehow, we're out there, willy-nilly, just sucking in information on everybody and doing what we please with it. now, that's not the case. >> now, he says that's not the case, chad, but this week there were more revelations this time

that the government was watching every single e-mail that you send or receive, that it hasn't an overseas sender or recipient. is there abuse? >> well, no. and in fact, if you would go back and look at the videotape from snowden, and ask yourself the question, where is the name of the individual who was spied on? what is the name of the nsa analyst that he says abused the program? and the answer is, you can't find one, because he doesn't actually say that there was abuse. he speculates as a system administrator, that he thinks that the program is wrong. so he doesn't expose wrongdoing, he just disagrees with the policy. >> that's an interesting point. and i know it's threading the needle, but it's an important. now, allays of the united states, germany, france, countries that we rely on to share intelligence have come out and slammed the u.s. whether this is just government pr, they have slammed the u.s. the president came back hard against them today, saying the united states is actually better

than anybody else. >> that america is not interested in spying on ordinary people. our intelligence is focused, above all, on finding the information that's necessarily to protect our people, and in many cases, protect our allies. it's true, we have significant capabilities. what's also true, we show a restraint that many governments around the world don't even think to do. >> is that true? is the united states the most quote/unquote, restrained? >> it is both quantitatively and legally. if you would look at it, i would encourage everyone to go to nsa.gov to find a white paper that was released today that lays out the facts. and if you look at the global volume of internet and cell phone traffic, what you'll find is that the nsa only touches and analyzes 0.0004% of all traffic. what does that mean? if you think of the global traffic as a basketball court, the amount that they touch would

be equivalent to the size of a dime on that court. so it's extremely restrained. the second point is legally, for example, when i was in the intelligence community, let's say, for example, if they got intelligence on toyota competing with ford, if we got that information, we could not give it to ford. why? because legally in our country, we would create an unfair advantage among different economic competitors. our opponents, germany -- not opponents, but our allies and france especially, they do that actively. and for them to say, oh, my god, there's spying going on, it's almost like, you know, in rick's cafe in "casablanca," almost like where they say, i can't believe there's gambling going on in this establishment. >> calling out france and germany. chad, thank you. now, the third story "outfront," the single most dangerous terrorist. the president said today that al qaeda isn't as strong as it used to be. he's sticking by that. >> al qaeda that attacked us on

9/11 has been broken apart and is very weak and does not have a lot of operational capacity. and to say we still have these regional organizations like aqap that can pose a threat. >> so today, cnn has learned that the plot that led the united states to close 19 embassies and consulate was likely planned by this man. his name is nasser al hishi, the leader of al qaeda in yemen, who has quickly risen in the ranks and is america's new enemy number one. >> reporter: nasser al wuhayshi is possibly the single most dangerous terrorist america faces. he is believed to be behind the threat that closed nearly two dozen u.s. embassies weeks after ayman al zawahiri named him general manager of the entire al

qaeda network. >> this new position as al qaeda's global number two will increase pressure on him to launch attacks against u.s. interests. >> reporter: he is now squarely in the u.s. cross hhairscrossha. >> he has the potential to inspire a new generation of recruits, just like bin laden did over the last 15 years. >> reporter: wuhayshi has a long history. he was osama bin laden's personal secretary in afghanistan. after 9/11, he fled with bin laden to the mountains of tora bora, surviving days of bombings. he wound up in iran and then deported and jailed in yemen. in 2006, he escaped from prison in a notorious jailbreak, emerging in 2008 to plot a deadly attack on the u.s. embassy in yemen. in 2009, he rose to the top of aqap. that year, the same organization tried to blow up a u.s. airliner on christmas day, in the

so-called underwear bomber plot. this latest threat has revealed a stunning leak forward in al qaeda's communications. the u.s. intelligence community, cnn has learned, was able to intercept an encrypted messaging system that allowed several operatives to communicate at one time. in still another turn in wuhayshi's rare but growing communications, the associated press reports in mali, it discovered a letter from w wuhayshi to fellow terrorists to provide food, water, and garbage collection to the people in the area he controlled, perhaps his vision of an islamic state. erin? >> barbara starr, thank you very much. obviously providing those services has gone a long way towards helping these radical groups gain friends and supporters in local communities. cnn has learned that on sunday

the state department will open 18 of the 19 embassies that were closed. the embassy in yemen will remain closed as well as the evacuated facility in lahore, pakistan. still to come, inside niin e mind of a killer. what made a man kill his wife and then post a picture of her body on facebook. a more than bizarre story. plus, anthony weiner's free fall. has he finally, formally lost it? and then the epic battle between iran and a motorcycle. we're going to show you the video in tonight's shout-out. oh, we love the winner. at farmers we make you smarter about insurance, because what you dont know can hurt you. what if you didn't know that it's smart to replace washing-machine hoses every five years? what if you didn't know that you might need extra coverage for more expensive items? and what if you didn't know that teen drivers are four times more likely to get into an accident? 'sup the more you know, the better you can plan for what's ahead. talk to farmers and get smarter about your insurance. ♪ we are farmers bum - pa - dum, bum - bum - bum -bum ♪

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so support has been plunging in the polls and anthony weiner's campaign for new york city mayor has been reduced to a bit of a sideshow, but he's been mocking reporters, lashing out at his own staff, and today something absolutely beyond happened. susan candiotti is "outfront" with a candidate who is unraveling before our very eyes. >> reporter: as anthony weiner's campaign spirals downward, his fuse is getting shorter. take this glare to a british reporter, asking how he's managing, despite the sexting scandal. >> is it ambition? is it a hunger for the big job, the power? >> it's hard to take you seriously? no, it has to do with wanting to be mayor of the city of new york, and wanting to help the middle class and those struggling to make it. >> reporter: what is it you want to do -- >> well, the hunger for the big job. >> he mimics her accent. and in his next answer, references a legendary british comedy show. >> would anything stop you? >> i just have a feeling i've like stopped into a "monty

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront," where we start with stories where we focus on reporting from the front lines. a dramatic day in the trial of major nidal hasan. 17 survivors of the ft. hood shooting rampage took the stand today. specialist logan barnett told

his story. our producer in the courtroom said that barnett testified that he thought it was a training exercise at first, and then he said he saw a clean-shaven hasan with a handgun in his hand shout "al akbar." barnett charged hasan wiand was shot in the head. he was shot four times and have has 24 surgeries to remove those bullets. the half-brother of massachusetts senator scott brown has been arrested for impersonating a police officer in connecticut. police found bruce brown walking in a neighborhood wearing camouflage pants, a bulletproof vest with "police" embroidered on it and a black nylon gun belt with a loaded handgun. authority also found three other handguns and 200 rounds of ammo in his car. they aren't exactly sure what all of this was for, but brown says they were, quote, not close as a family. brown, a former coast guard reservist, does not actually have a prior record. now to a story that we've been following very closely. it has been nearly 11 months since the attacks in benghazi and president obama vowed that, quote, justice will be done for

those responsible to the death of ambassador chris stevens and three other americans. at a press conference today, a reporter reminded the president that the last 11 months have been without justice. >> well, the -- i also said that we would get bin laden, and i didn't get him in 11 months. >> obama went on to say that the u.s. would stay on the case until we get them. of course, in the case of bin laden, they knew the name of who they were looking for. but in this case, there has been no names of suspects released. it has been 734 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. the post office lost $740 million in its most recent quarter. it sounds absolutely horrific and it is, but some things are relative. the $5.2 billion was lost in the same period last year. cost-cutting and people shipping more packages helped lower losses. and now our sixth story "outfront," a brutal murder posted on facebook. 31-year-old derek medina turned

himself in after admitting to killing his wife and posting a grisly picture of her body all on the social media website. now, i have a warning for you here. a photo that's about to be shown may be disturbing and now i want to hand it to our david mattingly with an "outfront" investigation. >> reporter: it could be the most disturbing facebook post ever. a lifeless body, photographed moments after the woman was shot to death in her home and posted with an apparent confession by her husband. derek medina wrote, "i'm going to prison or death sentence for killing my wife. love you guys, miss you guys, take care, facebook people. you will see me in the news." then medina told his family. >> he just said that his wife picked up a knife on him, they had a big fight, and he shot her. >> reporter: your son came to your house -- >> all he said is, i need to go to the police, i need to turn myself in. >> reporter: but there's no message of medina's facebook post in the police report. the picture of his wife's body was up on his page for five

hours, with horrified facebook friends sharing and commenting. >> this is different. it's almost as if everybody was in the room when the murder actually occurred and were having conversations with this gentleman. this might be the first of its kind, i hate to say it, but i don't think it will be the last of its kind. >> reporter: facebook released a statement to cnn. the content was reported to us and then we took action on the profile, removing the content and disabling the profile, and we reached out to law enforcement. police have not released a possible motive and medina provided few clues in the digital trail he leaves behind. a photo posted hours earlier shows the family t a dinner, all smiles. medina's youtube posts show him seemingly happy, throwing kicks and punches and listening to a popular song. ♪ ain't no sunshine when she's gone ♪ >> reporter: medina also promotes a series of self-help books he recently wrote.

on his website, emotionalwriter.com, he describes himself as a former professional athlete, coach, actor, and ghost hunter. he writes about his experiences with ghosts, aliens, and ufos and how your reactions can either save someone's life or kill an innocent person. court records show that medina and his wife divorced february of last year, but remarried 2 1/2 months later. one of medina's books seems to mirror his experience. it's about a man named james who divorced and remarried the same person, found peace, and made peace. medina promises to teach the reader to make "make your marriage and relationship with others better by understanding the meaning of life." derek medina is facing first-degree murder charges and is being held without beyond. it's important to note here, erin, that the daughter of his wife was in the house at the

time. she's 10 years old. she was not harmed and tonight she's reportedly in the custody of her biological father. >> amazing she was there. all right. our thanks very much to david mattingly. dr. drew pinsky is an addiction specialist and the host of hln's "dr. drew on call." dr. drew, thank you. this is such a bizarre situation. just hours before he allegedly killed his wife, medina posted a picture of him, his wife, and his kid from a previous marriage eating lunch together. you can see her smiling in the picture. and afterwards he didn't call 911, he changed his clothes, stopped at his father's house, then he actually drove himself to the police station. what do you make of this sequence of events? >> well, as far as the changing of the clothing and not calling 911, it's easy the to sort of conclude that this is a diabolical, cold-blooded event, but i don't think that's, in fact, the case. when you really hear what he claims went down, it was something of domestic violence that just escalated and ran out of control. it sounds like he was in sort of a disassociated state and just

didn't know what he was doing, but intended to report himself. the really sad piece of this story that he left a 10-year-old behind in the home with the body. >> i mean, which is just unbelievable. they found that child there. now, here's what we know about him. we don't know a lot. we know he was an aspiring writer of self-help books, those self-published books that we now know about. one of them was focused on marriage and people are drawing comparisons that this was sort of a mirror of his own marriage and his own marriage struggles, perhaps. does this fit with what you think you're looking at here, at least preliminarily? >> yeah, i mean, yeah, i think he is talking about his own struggles. think how many relationship experts who have published books on marriage have had six marriages. often we don't know it until it's too late. yeah, this is a situation of domestic violence. the question was, was this interpersonal terrorism, where he was systemically breaking his wife down and finally she snapped and things went too far,

or is this something we call common couple violence? and mental health professionals think about common couple violence as treatable situation. the problem is that if you throw in some substances and who knows, maybe something was going on here with alcohol, we just don't know, then you end up with out-of-control violence. and it's a reminder that even though we call it common couple violence, the outcome can be very uncommon and very tragic. >> and what about his desire here, i mean, i guess, i am thinking, does this link at all into his sort of, you know, such carefully, you know, changing and visiting his dad and then going to see the police. but then this desire to be publicly visible. he had an active youtube account and it was all uploads of himself. there's this desperate need for voyeurism and attention. >> and we're seeing more and more of this with young people. he isn't necessarily from the generation where we're likely to see much, much more sorts of these types of behaviors. but you're pointing to something very, very accurate here, which is his need to express and sort of project himself out into the world seems to be quite intense. and that is a sign of some sort

of narcissistic issue here. and the fact that he did this on youtube, i mean, you've got to understand here. the fact that this all went on facebook is a sign that, well, it's a fact that we are seeing the evolution of the history of social media, right before our eyes here, to the point now that we're actually seeing murders acted out and bodies left behind and posted on facebook. this is something that people could not anticipate. >> that's just horrible. thanks so much to you, dr. drew. now our sixth story "outfront." battle for marriage rights. a federal judge recently ruled that the state of ohio has to recognize the marriage of two men, even though ohio banned same-sex marriages. it's a landmark ruling that could open the floodgates for same-sex marriages in the other 35 states that have bans. alina cho is "outfront." >> reporter: let us all rejoice. >> reporter: it was a 7 1/2-minute wedding ceremony in a plane, on the tarmac, in baltimore, maryland, between two people deeply in love, who never even wanted to get married.

>> reporter: and then one morning, you were watching tv -- >> yes. june 26th, the day the supreme court handed down its ruling. and when the rulings came out, i just went over to john, hugged him, kissed him, and said, let's get married. >> only for jim and john, there were two problems. same-sex marriage in ohio, where they live, is banned, and john has als, commonly known as lou gehrig's disease, that eventually leads to death. worried that every day could be their last together, the couple settled on maryland as their destination wedding spot, where they could travel by medical jet, say their vows at the airport, and return immediately to their home in cincinnati. >> getting married, it's like nothing changed, but yet everything did. >> do you feel the same way? >> absolutely. it's, it's as if a void was

filled in our lives. >> reporter: a few days after their wedding in july, john and jim met with a civil rights attorney. >> he said, jim, do you realize when john passes away, on his death certificate, the state of ohio will list him as unmarried and will not enter your name as his spouse? it broke my heart and then made me really mad. >> reporter: so mad the couple sued the state of ohio and won. a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order, allowing the couple's marriage to be recognized in a state where gay marriage is banned. no federal or state benefits would apply. that could come later, but the decision would mean the two eventually could be buried together in john's family plot. >> i feel like it's the first chink in the armor. >> reporter: but their fight is far from over. in a statement to cnn, a spokesman for ohio's attorney general says, "this is a temporary ruling at a preliminary stage under sad

circumstances," adding that ohio voters already decided in 2004 on a ballot initiative that gay marriage should not be recognized and are, quote, entitled to the choice they have made on this fundamental issue. >> it's ridiculous. >> there are many people who simply don't understand humanity and love is love. >> reporter: for "outfront," alina cho, cincinnati. well, in our money and power tonight, the cost of the george zimmerman trial. today we learned the seminole county office of emergency management spent $91,000 during the trial. the services provided included public information, safety, logistics, and planning. and this is on top of the $353,000 spent on jury sequestration and other costs by the sheriff's office. still to come, two young women attacked with acid on vacation. for the first time today, we see

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we're back with tonight's outer circle, where we reach out to london. two women had acid thrown on to them. the acid splashed on to their faces, chest, and their hands. aaron mclaughlin is "outfront." >> reporter: erin, 18-year-old katie and kirstie arrived back in the united kingdom today. they alanded at a military base in western london before being brought directly to this hospital in chelsea, which has a specialist burns unit. now, earlier, i spoke to a family friend who told me he has seen photos of the two young women following this attack and he says they are quite seriously injured, adding that as is the case with any burn victim, there are concerns over permanent scarring. meanwhile, in zanzbar, the investigation continues. authorities questioned five people today, and all five were

released. no one has been arrested so far. >> now our seventh story "outfront." oprah's brush with racisracism. he says a store clerk refused to show her a $38,000 bag that was on display. >> i go into a store, shall remain unnamed, and i say to the woman, uh, excuse me, may i see that bag right above your head. and she says to me, no, it's too expensive. and i said, no, no, no, no, see, the black one, the one that's folded over, blah, blah, blah. and she said, no, no, no, you don't want to see that one, you want to see this one, because that one costs too much, you will not be able to afford that. and i said, no, i really did want to see that one. and she refused to get it. she refused to get it. i could have had the big blow-up thing and thrown down the black card and all that stuff, but why do that? >> the shop's owner tells cnn, it was all a big misunderstanding and saying,

quote, this has nothing to do with racism. oprah says she wanted to look at the bag, and she didn't want to take it down because my sales assistant felt a little embarrassed about the story. and she had the model in other material such as ostrich and suede which weren't as expensive. so was this a big understanding or a case of racism? sophia, let me start with you. oprah's made it very clear, she thought this was a act of racism. she said, i could have thrown down the whole black thing, but i chose not to. the store owner is saying, the associate may have been confused. english isn't her first language, she made a gauche mistake, but not due to race. >> the bag should have came off of the shelf. i don't care how high the shelf was, it should have came off the shelf. anyone, male, female, black, white, rich or poor is going to be offended by not getting proper service and not being respected by a store clerk in

this situation. oprah winfrey, basically handled it, i think she handled it very well, and she didn't not just throw down the black card, she didn't try to embarrass the why are you not giving me the opportunity to make a purchase, and a $38,000 purchase at that? that's spectacular. there is nothing wrong with considering class and no reason we shouldn't consider the fact it may be race. >> dean, what do you think? >> how did this person not recognize oprah winfrey? >> she said she wasn't opra and didn't have eyelashes on. people look differently on tv but she was dressed quote on quote oprah. she didn't have her oprah face on. >> i believe she believes race played a role. >> she thinks that. >> when you have a situation

that's not clear and a language barrier the invokes the word racism. when you complain about not seeing a 38 thousanddollar bag when the average income of an american is $27,000, it's hard not to be sympathetic, i wish that was my worst problem not seeing a $38,000 bag. if that was the worst part of racism in this country, we should save it for true racism with african americans. >> stephanie? what do you think? you think this a store, they would assume you would walk in if you can afford the bag on one level, if you're selling $38,000 bags, i wouldn't walk into that store. oprah can afford it and has no problem. she walks in. that adds to oprah eastsi'oprahe story. >> that's exactly right there is a purse that's $38,000 and secondly, they don't get oprah in switzerland?

there are only two people there, erin. >> right. >> so you don't know what exactly happened. i tend to trust oprah on this, we all do in america i think and you have to put it in the context of the president's context, most black people in this country experienced multiple incidents like this in a lifetime. if oprah read into it, i don't know. it seems like it happens an awful lot. >> sofia, oprah said it happened before. i i believe in paris, right, right, where she said it happened before and she said whether race or class, it's awful. you know what this made me think of? how hue mill ymiliating it migh it happened to you, but might have nothing to do with race. this is the ultimate scene of this happening. here is pretty woman. >> how much is this? >> i don't think this would fit you. >> well, i didn't ask if it

would fit. i asked how much it was. >> how much is this marie? >> it's very expensive. >> it's very extensive. >> look, i got money to spend in here. >> i don't think we have anything for you. you're obviously in the wrong place. please leave. >> i mean, sofia, sort of like that moment, right? where they didn't want a hooker in their store, right, and they knew she was a hooker and look now and they say was it that they thought she couldn't afford it and if it wasn't overt racism, because this woman is black she can't afford it? >> well -- >> maybe -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> go ahead sofia, stephanie, i'll give you the last word. >> sorry. >> okay. >> oprah winfrey is playing a middle-class person. she's played a poor person. she's very recognizable without eyelashes. i don't think if oprah winfrey walks into a store and looks

dressed down, anyone should look at her as someone that can't afford a $38,000 handbag and the scene in pretty woman, oprah referenced that scene, i want to come back and buy the entire store to prove a point. that's the feeling you get when you're trying to basically live your life and someone decides you're not fit to walk the earth. >> quick final word, stephanie. >> that's a very damaging thing. >> first of all, oprah, oprah could buy switzerland, so that's the really great punch line. i love the owner of the store played the i'm not a racist. i have a black best friend card. >> yeah. >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> my best friend is tina turner. that's -- you got to give some credit for trumping -- doing the giant name drop along with the black best friend. >> fair point. i'm glad you bought that up. why would you think i'm racist? i'm friends with tina turner, best friends. >> let us know what you think about this. this is an interesting story. out front next, sign ticientist

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and now "the out front out take." regular viewers of this program know i'm a fan of camels and we've been watching closely as the cameras of the cause of a deadly respiratory syndrome

outbreak that started in the middle east. 349 blood samples gathered from livestock and while quote no mers anti bodies were found from cattle, goats or sheep but in all 50 samples from camels. it seems camels were spreading the sars. i was devastated. it's not all camels. it was found in one hampers in the middle east and asian two humps are off the hook. china, the world is for once not accusing you. the testing was suspect because the 50 camels tested from the middle east, the other farm animals, goats, sheep, all of whom could be responsible were from quote several different pnetherlands, spain and chile. no other animals were tested? the same study went on to find the camels from the middle east probably caught a mars like ka

row that virus and when that happened and whether it's the same as the virus spread to people. they might not even be the deadly masrs virus at this? i've heard of scapegoats but the first time i've heard of scape camels. camels. ac 360 starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight breaking news, a major development in the search for a missing teenager and the murder suspect she's believed to be traveling with. also, president obama says he'll keep the spies honest when it comes to spying on you. tonight, we're keeping him honest on that and claims he's letting edward snowden force his hand. later, amazing rescues in the flood zone. you'll meet the parents of this baby and you'll show you where the water is still rising. but we begin with breaking news, two big developments that could lead authorities to alleged killer