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cafe. "shot sh "hot shots" pictures from around the world. follow the show @cnnsitroom. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next breaking news we now know how u.s. intelligence officials discovered a possible al qaeda attack on american embassies. they cracked their code. that news top of the hour. plus, senator rand paul comes "outfront." we'll talk birthers and sarah palin and a comment about tapping your phone that will probably surprise you. and a serial killer goes on a cross-country murder spree, and tonight the terrifying chilling video "outfront." let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone, i'm erin burnett, "outfront" we begin with the breaking news. cnn reports that u.s. intelligence officials
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intercepted communications that signaled an imminent terrorist attack on americans. those intercepts led to the unprecedented closing of 19 u.s. embassies and consulates around the world. barbasrbara starr broke the newd she's at the pentagon tonight. barbara, what more can you tell us? >> good evening, they are not only intercepts but those intercepts by all accounts now contain code words that signaled an attack might be imminent, this according to a u.s. sos who has an understanding and access to the latest intelligence about all of this. code words that signaled an attack might be imminent, but they didn't have an exact time, date, place. they didn't know what u.s. installation might be hit, so that is what led to the closing of some 22 embassies and consulates across the middle east and north africa until they could narrow it down to yemen. now we see that focus on yemen. we've seen a number of drone strikes in recent days going after suspected al qaeda terrorists, but it all began with these intercepted
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communications and, of course, there's the irony, it was intercept conducted by the national security agency, which is under so much criticism from so many quarters now. erin? >> all right, barbara starr, thank you very much for that breaking news. i want to bring in now texas senator rand paul. he has a new book called "government bullies, how everyday americans are being harassed and abused and imprisoned by the feds." senator rand paul, thank you so much. >> glad to be with you, erin. >> you just heard barbara starr talking about, now reporting they clearly say there were interrucepted communications th helped stop a possible plot on u.s. embassies. does that make the nsa surveillance program worth it? >> the thing is, i don't think there's been any evidence that anything intercepted from the program of spying or collecting american data has ever uniquely been used to stop any terrorism. you know, they had a discussion with senator leahy and the committee and they talked about 50 plots and then it got down to
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15 and 4 and 1. >> how many had been explicitly stopped. >> i'm not against tapping phones of people you suspect to be terrorists. all i'm for is calling a judge first. i'm not for looking at all american's records, but if an american is involved, call a judge. it's not that hard to get a twarnt. we fought a revolution over separating the powers, not letting police get warrants, you have to call a judge. >> what the united states did in response is close the embassies and there's been this unprecedented spate of drone attacks that happened in the last week, ten days. a lot of people have been killed and only a couple of terrorists. and you can read into that what you will what that might do to the united states. you've said before me you are against drone strikes unless there's an imminent threat against americans. if we intercepted communications that there was a possible plot. is that an imminent threat? does it justify the drone attacks? >> it's not technology i'm opposed to. using drones in warfare against our enemies to save our soldiers, doing it to disrupt a
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plot, i think there are uses and i'm not opposed to using drones. i am opposed to and think that using large-scale drone use against non-combatants ultimately may not be good for the country because it may ultimately lead to more enmity that it cures. >> sarah palin was asked about something else, not about drones, about the feud. the feud. i'll just use that word for fun here. >> i am from kentucky so we are used to feuding. we can hold a grudge for a long time but i'm kind of wanting to get rid of the grudge now. i want to make up. >> make up with chris christie. >> that's right. i've offered him a beer. we can have a beer summit. i know he's busy. i could even come to new jersey for him. and i might buy the beer and i'm notoriously very cheap. and i would offer to buy the beer. >> offer to buy the beer for chris christie. he might like that. he's got some vacation coming up. i want to play something that sarah palin said. because this puts you in an interesting spot. here is miss palin. >> i'm on team rand. rand paul understands, he gets
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the whole notion of don't tread on me, government. whereas chris christie is for big government and, you know, trying to go along to get along in so many respects. >> i love an endorsement by sarah palin. what's not to love? >> all right, so you're happy. you're happy she's on team rand. >> absolutely. team rand, you know, whatever that means can include a lot of people. what i've been telling people is that i want to grow the republican party. and that means that some of the libtarian ideas of respecting people's privacy, respecting the fourth amendment, not spying on americans, i think that appeals to a lot of young people and will bring new people into our party if we become the party of privacy. it's hurt the president significantly. >> you know, it's interesting when you say that, though, as a libertarian you've got a tough issue because one of the things that defines the republican party is social issues where the government intrudes or has decisions about what people do. that's exactly the kind of thing that a big-tent republican party might not be able to hold on to to keep winning a national election. right? i'm talking about let's just
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throw it out there about gay marriage, for example. what are you going to do for gay marriage? to win the general you might need to be for it. to win the primary, you may have to be against it. >> do i have to do something? >> at some point in the primary debate you're going to be forced to answer it. >> part of the republican party being bigger is we agree to disagree. maybe in new york they have a different point of view but maybe we agree to disagree as a union. some of that sort of our ideas of federalism that different states can have different definitions on maybe some of the cultural things that affect our country that we don't always agree on is so that we agree to disagree and then maybe we can become a big party. i'm not one that sort of -- >> you might, look, president paul, i'm not going to take a stand on there, i'll leave it to the states. >> that's where i am. i don't think there should be a connection of marriage to the federal government. >> we're three years away from the federal election. you are talking to your family and making your final decision.
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senator ted cruz made two trips to iowa. he was born in canada to a mother who was from delaware, a natural born american. a father born in cuba at the time. so, the law, we looked into it, says he should be eligible to run for president. do you agree? >> you won't find me questioning his eligibility. i decided a long time ago i wouldn't be a birther. i'm not a birther for democrats. i'm not a birther for republicans. i'm staying out of that. >> that's a smart move. >> i'm saying out of that one. >> there's nothing good about being a birther. senator paul, thank you so much. always good to see you and finally here on our set in new york. >> glad to be here. still to come explosive new details about san diego mayor bob filner tonight, cnn has discovered that come of his activities may have been funded by taxpayers. and a murderer's cross-country spree. the doj blocking a proposed merger between american and us airways. what does the deal specifically
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our third story "outfront" following the trail of a serial killer. the fbi releasing new information about 34-year-old israel keyes. you see him there. he confessed to as many as eight murders across the country last year. investigators have added three more people to the list of victims so the count is now as many as 11. keyes committed suicide in december while awaiting trial and without a suspect to question federal agents are left
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with more questions than answers, how many more people, where. nick payton walsh is "outfront." >> the only person i ever shot was bill courier. >> everybody else was strangled? >> yeah. yeah. >> reporter: the fbi may never know if israel keyes simply enjoyed the murder of strangers like samantha coney seen here in the alaskan coffee shop she worked in moments before he led her away. but today they revealed he may have murdered as many as 11 people. keyes strangled konig here in his girlfriend's shed. he positioned her corpse to look alive and then sent a photo to her parents demanding a $30,000 ransom. it was the last arrogant and careless act of a killer police described as usually meticulous in planning, it led to his arrest and an interrogation the scale of his decade-long rampage began to emerge where he buried his guns and which lakes he hid
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victims. >> those caches aren't related to any -- i mean, that -- that one in new york was the only one directly related to a murder as far as i know. the guns are some from of the girls. they've never been to the bottom of it. people have gone out to the lake. >> that's one of the lakes? >> that's one of them. >> reporter: he admitted to seven other murders including bill and lorraine courier who he strangled in 2011. once caught, the fbi said he wanted the death penalty fast and killed himself rather than wait in jail. but not before he gave the fbi tantalizing slim hints about another possible three murders even his suicide note raised hopes. >> i was optimistic when we found the notes crumpled up in his hands underneath his body soaked in blood. i was hopeful that those notes were going to give us leads as to who the other victims were and where their bodies could be
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found. i also think that he purposely did that for us to find. however, it was just some rambli ramblings, i would describe as mostly song lyrics from what we could gather. just gibberish. >> reporter: mysteries and pain he enjoyed taking to his grave. for "outfront" nick payton walsh, new york. and now the fourth story "outfront" arming newtown. tonight the governor of connecticut which is the state with the toughest gun laws in the country is being honored for his efforts to pass even further gun control measures. but this honor ironically comes as gun sales in the town of newtown have surged since the horrific elementary school shooting there. poppy harlow is "outfront." >> hi, i'm nancy. >> pleased to meet you. >> reporter: she's a grandmother who is about to become a first-time gun owner. >> this way is easier. >> reporter: nancy ellis says the new gun laws passed in connecticut among the toughest in the country are a big reason
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why she's buying her first firearm. >> our rights are being slowly infringed upon and that this whole idea of controlling guns has not -- has come to my backdoor. in other words, there could be a time when i may never be able to get a firearm. >> reporter: elis lived in newtown for 28 years. her desire to own a gun is part of a spike in the state. newtown vevedly remembered for one of the worst gun massacres in u.s. history is on track this year to double the amount of pistol permits it issued last year. >> i'm concerned that it can get out of hand. nancy lanza had quite an arsenal in her home. you only have two hands, how many guns can you fire at once? >> reporter: dave and monty are friends of newtown action alliance pushing to curb gun violence. >> there's a perception that the government's going to come and grab all their guns or it's going to not allow them to
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purchase certain guns. >> reporter: newtown resident ryan delp owns multiple guns but did not want to show them on camera out of respect for the newtown victims. you went out and bought another gun after the shooting at sandy hook elementary. why? >> that was 100% in terms of the legislation i thought would be passed. >> reporter: it's hard for geo russo to understand as he grieves the loss of his daughter lauren killed at sandy hook. >> it hurts in a different way. i had my first dream with my daughter was in the dream just about a week ago. and i said lauren is dead, how can she be there? she's dead. >> reporter: what do you think when you see these numbers? >> it's sad. it's really sad. there's no other words to say it. it makes me sad to think that people will -- they feel that they're protecting themselves but they're just adding to the problem. >> reporter: there was also a surge in gun sales in colorado
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following the aurora movie theater massacre and after the 2011 mass shooting in tucson, gun purchases in arizona spiked. nancy elis grieves for the victims in her own backyard. >> my heartbreaks for them. i truly do. >> reporter: this is about protecting her rights for her. >> did the guns cause the tragedy? no. it is the person behind the gun that caused the tragedy. >> reporter: for "outfront," poppy harlow, newtown, connecticut. all right, in "money and power" stop right there because a big airline merger was blocked today. this is important. the u.s. justice department and attorney generals from six states have filed a lawsuit challenging the proposed $11 billion combination of american airlines and us airways. they say that two lead to higher prices and lower service which often happens in airline mergers. an analyst agrees and said the
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airfares would go up. the airlines say the merger would create the world's largest airline that has all kinds of efficiencies, but is that really why they want the deal to go through? but is it a little bit of this? it means a massive payout for the current ceo of american airlines, tom horton. he'll leave once the deal is done getting a nearly $20 million severance package. $20 million. to leave. wow. still to come, the mayor of san diego under fire. allegations of sexual harassment, but tonight an "outfront" investigation on whether he used taxpayer dollars to fund his liaisons. this is incredible reporting. and the latest from the massive sinkhole that opened beneath the florida resort. it's a lot bigger than we original thought. and a man almost drowns in outer space. his wife watches. we'll explain. [ male announcer ] who loves social networking as much as you?
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our fifth story "outfront" is cnn investigation revealing damaging new details in the scandal about san diego mayor bob filner. filner, of course, is accused of sexual harassment by more than a dozen women and now cnn has discovered that some of filner's activities may have been funded by taxpayers. kyung lah has this "outfront" investigation. >> unfortunately we have a mayor who is out of touch with
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reality. >> reporter: out of touch in every way, says san diego city councilman kevin faulkner who's now demanding answers about this, cnn obtained filner's city credit card statements from january to may all paid by taxpayers. what are these, do you think? >> i mean, when you see statements like this, it raises the question of is city business being done or not? you need to get to the bottom of this. he doesn't think that the rules apply to him. >> reporter: expenses investigators are very interested in. over five months, $511 spent at the west gate hotel, at least one charge was on a sunday. the mayor's office is over here at the city administration building. the westgate hotel right across the street just steps away. the regulars at the bar tell us that the mayor was often here and usually with a different woman every time. why that matters? the u.t. san diego told the security detail that he took women to the guestgate.
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he's looking in to a junket that he took to paris that has little to do with san diego. he said it cost taxpayers $30,000. filner has promised to pay it back, but so far no proof of a refund. other credit card charges that raised red flags, $3,000 to an online reputation management firm, and oddly, $128 for a juicer. >> you can turn ordinary food into superfood. >> reporter: we tried again to talk to filner's chief of staff lee burdock. >> no comment, folks. >> reporter: she still doesn't have anything to say to us, but she spoke at a luncheon meeting. when asked if the mayor can still lead -- >> i don't know if you know this, the mayor has not resigned yet and consequently i have drawn the conclusion that, yes, he does believe that he has the way to achieve the objectives set out in his vision. >> now, just incredible when
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they talk about a different woman being with him every time he was at the westgate. i know his administration says, back off, we can still run this city. it's the eighth biggest city in the country. it's a huge city. you've seen some really different reactions from the community, though, right? >> reporter: yeah. certainly we're hearing it and we are seeing it. we actually saw visible display at a restaurant in downtown san diego, here it is, a restaurant, hooters, known for, well, you know, the name says it all. look at the sign that it posted on its front door, reading "it is imperative people have standards. the mayor of san diego will not be served in this establishment. we believe women should be treated with respect. hooters corporate did release a statement to cnn saying, quote, we support our girls. now, a little context here. this was inspired by a conservative radio host here in san diego encouraging businesses to print out the sign. hooters taking up that call.
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erin? >> thank you very much. i was rooting for them until they called them girls. anyway, thanks. and still to come a man allegedly murders his wife and posts a photo of her body on facebook. we're learning more about the victim tonight that we'll share with you. plus the latest of the massive sinkhole that opened under the florida resort. officials are talking about the trend tonight. and a group of public employees claim a huge power ball prize. what ocean's 16 plans to do with the money. >> i'm just going to continue watching nascar racing on sunday. maybe i'll be at my log cabin on multiple acres of land. [ male announcer ] what's important to you? at humana, our medicare agents sit down with you and ask. being active. and being with this guy. [ male announcer ] getting to know you is how we help you choose the humana medicare plan that works best for you. mi familia. ♪ [ male announcer ] we want to help you achieve your best health, so you can keep doing the things that are important to you. taking care of our customers. taking care of her.
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront" where we begin with stories where we focus on reporting from the front lines. i want to begin with two friends of the marathon boston bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev, they pleaded not guilty today, they are accused of taking items from tsarnaev's dorm room after the april 15th bombing. a lawyer said his client had no intent to assist tsarnaev, but paul callan said the kazakh nationals will not be viewed as local college kids that deserve a break. well, 12-year-old boy in florida has contracted a deadly
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brain-eating amoeba, his family tells cnn affiliate wbbh that he became ill after knee boarding with friends in a water-filled ditch. this is a second case of a brain-eating amoeba in less than a month. he's found in freshwater lakes or hot springs usually in the south but the cdc said more cases are popping up as far north as minnesota. it enters through the body through the nose and travels into your brain. while contracting it is rare, surviving it is even rarer. here are the statistics. of 128 cases over the past 50 years only two have survived. the cdc recommends wearing knows clips when swimming in the still water. a huge move for apple today and it all came from a tweet. carl icahn tweeted, we currently have a large position in apple. we believe the company to be extremely undervalued. spoke to tim cook today, more to come. assuming loaded up and loaded up a little bit more after he did
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that, and the stock popped. tim cook is apple's ceo and that tweet sent apple shares up 5%. pretty nice when you think about how much money carl icahn probably put into it. it closed at a six-month high of $489 a share. gene munster of piper jaffray has one of the higher priced targets of apple and thinks the stock will go up 34% to $655. part of the reason why he thinks apple is going to launch, get this, a watch. well, today's international left-handers day. this is a big day for people like me, southpaws as we're called. apparently 10% of the population is left-handed like me. studies have found lefties tend to be multitaskers. and for many years left-handed people were considered evil, witches and warlocks and even today we are disdrimnated against. did you know that left-handed products cost 65% more than their right-handed counterparts? i mean, are you kidding?
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which is why i learned to do things with scissors with my right hand because that inflation is just a total rip-off. it has been 738 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? corporate america continues to have an enviable balance sheet. 72% of companies have reported better-than-expected profits. the murder posted on facebook, today the funeral was held in florida for jennifer alfonso whose gruesome death was posted on facebook allegedly by her husband derek medina. he confessed to the killing on facebook and posted the picture of his wife after he shot her, went, changed, saw his father and then decided to turn himself in. who was jennifer alfonso and how is he being remembered? david mattingly is "outfront" with her story and i do want to warn you because of the specific nature of this story, the picture that you will see is disturbing. >> reporter: jennifer alfonso's lifeless body photographed and
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posted within apparent confession by her husband turned thousands of facebook users to unwittingly witnesses to a murder. days later strangers and acquaintances alike returned to facebook seeking comfort. >> the same people who may have wntion ed wntioned the confession of the murder are now also there to pull together and grieve for the victim. >> reporter: just as memorial services in miami brought tears to grieving friends and family, those moved by her death from all over the world, used social media to express their sadness. from paris, my prayers for you angel. from thailand, rest in peace, jennifer alfonso. friends post photographs of the young woman they remember, in happier times. we'll always remember her smile, posts one friend. a former customer from when alfonso waited tables writes, she was a person that would light up a room. >> this is absolutely facebook at its worst and at its best. the idea that somebody could post a picture of a dead body, that's absolutely the worst.
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and then at its best, it allows people to share in the caring for her and for just the situation even of a stranger. >> reporter: it also allows people to vent their feelings toward her alleged killer. alfonso's husband derek medina turned himself in to police and is held without bond. facing first-degree murder charges. one person writes, i hope he gets death row. justice for jennifer will come. but most noticeable on the facebook page r.i.p. jennifer alfonso is a quote attributed to alfonso's mother, thanking everyone, saying, if you would have known her, you would have loved her even more. died in such an extreme act of domestic violence as you might guess, the number -- there are a number of people who are survivors of domestic violence responding to her facebook page today. one woman expressing that she didn't believe this was real until she actually saw this memorial page and realized this was an actual murder, erin?
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>> it's unbelievable. david mattingly, thank you. and now our seventh story "outfront," sinkhole scare. an orlando resort on edge tonight. experts saying that sinkhole that swallowed part of the property is now almost 120 feet wide. the earth under the resort first opened up sunday night and miraculously none of the guests were injured, they were able to evacuate when they heard cracking noises. some are crediting just one specific man with saving their lives. martin savidge is "outfront." >> reporter: the first emergency call caught even the 911 operator off guard. >> where is the patient located at? >> it's not a patient. we have a building that potentially collapsed. >> reporter: it was almost unbelievable, a sinkhole was swallowing an entire resort building even as guests struggled to get out. it was a disaster at the busy summer bay resort just miles from disney world. but it didn't become a tragedy
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thanks in large part to this man rich shaard shamly. he was flagged down by a guest who said there was a problem in building 104. >> they kept hearing noises, popping and cracking noises in the building and then i heard glass shattering from the second and third floors. >> reporter: as a security officer, you're thinking what? >> i thought it was a domestic disturbance, somebody had gotten mad at somebody and busted a window. >> reporter: once inside shamly realized there was no fight, the building was sinking with everyone in it. he quickly spread the alarm. >> one lady had a child they didn't get out of the room. they actually had to bust the window to get them out because the door had twisted when the building started to cave in on itself. they busted a window and got everybody out and they ended up coming down the stairwells. >> reporter: these are people that are panicked. >> yes, sir. they are on vacation. they didn't actually expect this at all. neither did i. >> reporter: everyone made it out, thanks to a man who without hesitation jumped aboard not a sinking ship but a sinking building. >> i just did my job.
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i thought about everybody else before i thought about myself. >> reporter: a private engineering firm that has been hired by this resort has given an initial report. it says that the sinkhole is stabilized. it's not growing. also says that they don't believe there are any other sinkholes located on this property. as a result, the resort says two buildings that were closed out of a precaution, they expect to have reoccupied come the end of the week. but the engineer pointed it out that there's no real way to know for sure there aren't any sinkholes unless you drill a hole about every 100 feet. something not really feasible when you've got 400 acres of land. erin? >> that's what's just so amazing about this all to me, martin, you got to drill every 100 feet to know there's a sinkhole when you think about the sinkholes opening up in so many places, that's incredible. all right, thanks to martin. and a big day in new jersey. a group of workers from ocean county dubbed ocean's 16,
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claimed their share of last week's $448 million power ball jackpot. 9 women and 7 men, opted for the lump sum and got $86 million to split and what it comes to each after taxes 3.8 mlgd. a lot of times with the wins they don't know what to do with it. the results aren't always great and it's really great to see the 16 people knew exactly what they needed. >> we lost our home in the storm. i was just renting. i didn't own it, but we lived there for five years, me and my daughter. so now i stay with my brother for a few months and got a little apartment above a storefront, so the first thing i'm going to do is buy me and my daughter a home. >> i lost my mom to cancer and my dad's going through it right now. and that's what's the first place where i stopped was pop's house. start crying in front of him and told him i loved him. and you got nothing to worry about now except getting better. >> hmm. has a happy ending for everyone, which brings us to tonight's number $30,000 which is the
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amount of money the acme supermark in the town of little leg harbor is going to get. the store that sold the winning ticket also gets a bonus which we thought was sort of a cherry on the top. still to come, if you don't speak english, should you be barred from serving on an american jury? a major verdict was just given. on this our panel weighs in. and authorities say the resort built on top of a high-rise building is unsafe. look at that. this is apparently a major resort. but apparently it can top over at any moment. a special resort next. and a close call with death, an italian astronaut was conducting a space walk last month when water started to seep into his helmet. it took him 20 minutes to get back into the international space station's air lock, meanwhile his wife was watching it all happen on the ground, at mission control in houston, the shout-out goes to the astronaut who managed to stay calm through the ordeal even while he was at risk for drowning in space.
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and we're back with tonight's "outer circle" where we reach out to our sources from around the world and tonight we go to beijing. officials have ordered the illegal of a faux mountain retreat. you just heard me. faux mountain retreat. but the mountain retreat is built on top of a high-rise, all the weight is raising concerns that the building is not structurally safe. david mckenzie is covering the story. he's a brave man who went into the building. i asked him who designed retreat. >> reporter: this building is posing a firestorm on social media here in china, a chinese traditional medicine professor has built an enormous structure on top of his apartment. for years residents have complained to building management and beyond and they got nowhere. they said that there are cracks forming in the building. the structure of rock and trees could be a serious hazard, they said, but so far, nothing has been done. with so many building
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violations, how could someone get away with this? one answer might be that state media reckons he's an influential member of the communist party. reached out to a beijing newspaper, the professor said he might bring it down and that he's, quote, a low-key guy, david mckenzie, cnn, beijing. all right, questions are being raised about a person's right to serve on a jury. let me explain in new mexico the supreme court has just issued an opinion that reminded the state's trial courts and lawyers that citizens who do not speak english have the right to serve on a jury. the issue is raised after a man convicted of murder appealed his conviction because a judge in the case had excused a potential juror who spoke spanish. this raises the question whether americans not fluent in english should serve on juries and what it means to be american. "outfront" our panel, all right, i'm very excited about this entire conversation. so, let me start with you. >> yes.
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>> what do you think? >> i think a couple things, first of all, being on a jury is not a right. it's an obligation, in fact, it's a burden most people don't want to go, like going to the dmv or the dentist or listening to a donald trump speech, it's painful and you don't want to do it. new mexico is right in their constitution, in that state, jurors have a right to be on the jury if they don't speak english. federal law across the nation including california and new york, you have to be fluent in english. >> it's new mexico that stands out. >> it's their constitution. they are right on that. but the rest of the case is not right because it makes the justice system a futile exercise and that's what courts have said frankly, if someone doesn't speak english, they don't know what's going on. you have a translator and if they mistranslate, it's grounds for an appeal. you have to be a u.s. citizen to be on any jury across the nation. learning english is important not for juries but for living here. >> for citizenship. >> yes. >> as dean said you have to be a
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citizen to serve on a jury and that's true in all states but we looked in to what it means, in new mexico you can be on a jury and not speak english, but in general in this country to become a u.s. citizen, you have to speak english. you got to take an english test unless you're over the age of 50 or 55 and has been in this country for 15 or 20 years. those are the only exceptions to the rule, so english is required basically to be a citizen for almost everyone but, again, those exceptions, why should this be any different? >> well, listen, i agree with dean about trying to get out of jury duty. if this will do it, i'll pretend i only speak moldavian, it seems to me as problematic as it is, erin, if you are a united states citizen, you know, you have a right to serve on a jury and i get that it's not, you know, always ideal and you might have to get a translator, but i think the bottom line is if you are a united states citizen, you are allowed to serve on a jury.
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you know, that's america. >> michael, what do you think about this? you know, you're eligible for jury duty, by the way, unless there's a few reasons but one of them is you are unable to speak english and the court can't get a translator or interpreter as stephanie points out. the interpreter is key, is this enough? or, again, should you have to speak english yourself and understand it yourself clearly? >> of course, you should have to speak english and i hate to agree with dean, but i went to law school also once upon a time and, look, the constitution in new mexico which is very odd, it was -- new mexico became a state in 1911. and in the constitution, it says specifically that spanish-speaking people will be included on voting rolls and they'll be included in juries. >> yes. >> but for the rest of the country, first of all, they ought to change the new mexico constitution. but secondly, the whole idea that people have a tough enough time following what's going on in court, you really do. jury duty can be very complicated. and to throw in the extra
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expense and hassle of having to go through a translator, what this really does, is it disadvantages any particular court proceedings that are takingvery tough for lawyers wh not bilingual. i don't think we should move in the direction of a bilingual society. it hasn't worked for canada or belgium. let's try to keep english as the one unifying core that ties us together as americans in our court system, as well. >> we should use the breaking news banner. this is shocking -- >> what is wrong with you two? >> i would use taxpayer's dollars. i don't think michael would want to waste money to do that. i don't want to exclude anyone from jury duty but someone that tried cases for years as a lawyer. it's difficult to have somebody
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translating through ear pierce. >> of the course. >> miss translation. it's a problem. >> final word -- >> no offense but they are both lawyers. they are both lawyers, and i think we have to take that into account. >> you're a comedian. >> you don't speak modalvin. >> this, by the way, this, by the way, is u one of the reasons among many others i support the senate bill, immigration reform bill and i'm a strong supporter of that bill. one of the things that it does is it tightens up the requirement to master engenglis not just before you become a citizen but in the senate bi, y have to be fluent in english. >> let us know what you think, whether you should have to speak english to be on a jury or if
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it's discriminatory. the out front out take, the substitute teacher at a school in east berlin. you see her there? who is that guy toking up behind her? it was her way of showing she's a regular person as she heads into next month's general election. comes days after the prime minister, apparently spent the day working as a cab driver driving around citizens and apparently, paid actors. the students are not knew f. yo want to win over voters, do what american politicians do. that does sound arrogant. how to relate to voters number one, dress like us. what better way to put a potential voter at ease than by looking at us, cowboy hat, cowboy boots or crocks. that's the way to go. we won't know you're not one of us if you dress like that, especially if you put socks with the crocs.
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number two, talk like us. make sure voters can understand you. >> i have to say it right, good morning, y'all. good to be here. i started this morning with biscuits and cheese grits, i'll tell you. >> number three, eat like us. it's just important for voters to know what is going on in your mouth as what is coming out of it. go to the diners and restaurants, chow on gumbo, grits and grienlters. that's how you relate to voters. you show us how highly you think of us. you think we dress horribly, eat horribly. there are some things to avoid, never participate in sports or recreational activities, because no matter which sport you pick you'll come off as an elitest that is pandering. when it comes to sports, your aim will always stink. i hope this helps foreign
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old favorite. slushies. sometimes it takes a stuffy corporate job to make you appreciate being a kid again. >> we met as first year associates at a law firm, where we would often work late at night and kick around business ideas trying to figure out ways to escape the rat race. >> reporter: two young lawyers in a big manhattan law firm found the high demand grown up jobs made them think. >> we talked about the fact growing up drinking slushies but you turn a certain age and realize you sort of can't take those big, like, neon cups into an office and be taken seriously as an adult. >> reporter: or can you? slushies for grown ups was just a joke new mexico the recession hit. alex was laid off from the firm and zack quit his job a couple
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years later and kelvin natural slush. >> we had an idea and we had a business plan that we had been kind of working on and figured why not give it a shot? >> reporter: they started small with a 2000 chevy workhorse food truck they bought used for $10,000. the start up costs were low but they had their share of problems. >> last summer in the middle of the summer the engine blew out. all we make is slush, so if those aren't working we're out of business. >> reporter: they toughed it out and paid off. kelvin natural slush machines are in madison square garden and 22 whole foots in eight states and kelvin is offering an alcoholic version, which is perhaps no surprise where the come ppany is seeing the bigges growth. they are quick to remember the humble start on an early day working out of the food truck
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they knew they were on to something. >> we had a long like 100 people long for six hours and served so many and people were waiting like an hour and a half to get a slushie. then we were like maybe we have a good idea. >> reporter: and the grown ups all over the east coast seem to agree. agree. ac 360 starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking news on two fronts, a gunman with hostages, three hostages being held right now. bomb squad on the scene. we'll bring you the latest on that in just a few minutes. but we begin with breaking news, news on the intercepted al qaeda messages. a source familiar with the latest intelligence telling barbara starr u.s. code breakers recognized a number of specific words they believed signalled a potentially imminent attack. three interceptsot
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