his family to travel to oklahoma and receive his body and take him back to melbourne. you see it up on the screen there. www.gofundme, one word ,.com slash 3 zktjc. i also posted"piers morgan livet now. this is piers morgan live. welcome to the viewers around the united states and worldwide. breaking news as we bring you the 911 call from the woman inside the building that told the man armed with an ak-47 into surrenderer. it's a heart-stopping tape and plays out in the span of a few minutes. her name is antoinette tuff. she's a bookkeeper and astonishingly calm. she spoke to brandon hill and got him to give himself up.

he had over 500 rounds after ammo and at the time there were hundreds of children inside. here is the call she made with the gunman next to her in full. police, what is your morning? >> yes, ma'am, i'm on second avenue in the school and the gentleman said tell them to hold down. the police officers are coming tell him to back off. >> one moment. >> do not let anyone in the building, including no police. do not let anybody in the building, including the police. >> okay. stay on the line with me, ma'am. where are you? >> i'm in the front office. he just went outside and started shooting. can i run? >> can you get somewhere safe? >> yeah, i got to go. he will see me running. i got to go. >> put the phone down. >> bye. okay.

she said she's getting the policeman to tell them to back off for you, okay? okay. okay. stop all movement now on the ground. stop all movement on the ground. if it's not an emergency, please do not use the radio. if it's not an emergency, do not use the radio. >> are you talking to the shooter? that's what he's telling me to tell them on the radio. >> okay. >> what did you want me to tell her, sir? >> okay. [ bleep ] okay. he told me to put you on hold and call the news, ma'am. >> okay. >> what you want me the tell -- i'm trying to find the number for channel 2. want me to tell them to come?

hello? >> yes, ma'am? yes, ma'am? >> he said tell them to back up, right now. >> okay. hold on. >> okay. hello? >> ma'am? >> okay. he said to tell them to back off. he doesn't want the kids. he wants the police, so back off and what else, sir? he said he don't care if he die, and he don't have nothing to live for, and he said he's not mentally stable. >> okay. stay on the line with me. okay? put the phone down, if you have to, but don't put it on hold so i can't hear. >> okay.

>> can you tell me where you are? >> in the front office with him. >> okay. >> he said send in one of your radios with an unarmed officer. >> okay. >> she said okay. she's getting ready to tell them. or somewhere that he can talk to the police. he said but if they come armed, he's going to start shooting again. >> okay. >> only one officer. >> okay. >> he said if you have to, go ahead and evacuate them homes right there in the front of the building. >> okay. okay. ask him is he willing to give his name. >> she said are you willing to give your name? >> he said no. >> okay. >> he said no, he knows that if he gives his name, he's going away for a long time, and he said he know he going away for a

long time. he's on probation. tell them to stand down now. tell them to stand down now he said. >> okay. tell him i'll give them the instructions. >> she said she's giving the instructions. he said that she should just shoot himself. he said -- he said call the probation office in dekalb county and let them know what is going on. >> okay. >> who are we asking for? she said who is she asking for? >> he said he think it's officer scott. >> okay. >> you want me to let her get by?

>> what's your emergency? >> yes? hello? >> yes? >> yes, i'm here. >> want me to tell her to let him come, sir? she sound like she loves you a lot. >> you on the phone with a relative? >> yes. what you say, sir? he said he should have just went to the mental hospital instead of doing this because he's not on his medication. >> okay. >> well do you want me to try -- i can help you. want me to talk to them? want me to talk to them and try -- okay. but let me talk to them and let's see if we can work it out so you don't have to go away with them for a long time. no, it does matter. i can let them know that you have not tried to harm me or do anything with me or anything.

but that doesn't make any difference. you didn't hit anybody. okay. let me ask you this, ma'am. he didn't hit anybody. he just shot outside the door. if i walk out there with him, if i walk out there with him, so they won't shoot him or anything like that? he wants to give himself up, is that okay and they won't shoot him? >> yes, ma'am. >> and he say he just wants to go to the hospital. >> okay. tell him hold on one moment. >> she said hold on and she's going to talk to the police officer, and i'll go out there with you. well don't feel bad, baby. my husband just left me after 33 years. but -- yes, you do. i mean, i'm sitting here with you and talking to you about it. i got a son that's multiple disabled. let me -- can i speak to her? let me talk to her and let her

know that i'm going to go with you. you want me to talk to her? no, you didn't, baby. it's all going to be well. the lady is going to talk to the police. okay. okay. hold on, hold on a second, okay? >> uh-huh. don't hang up the phone. >> okay. hold on. me he wants me to go get the intercom. so can you talk to the police and let them know i'm going to walk out there with him and he's going to give himself up? >> okay. let me get an okay. >> let me know what to do. he wants me to get on the intercom and let everybody know he's sorry, okay? >> okay. >> ma'am? >> yes, ma'am? >> he's going to come on now but wants to know what do you want him to do with the gun? >> okay. >> or you want to send a police

officer in and he said he'll be on the ground with his hands behind the back and i'll take the gun from him and put it on the other side behind me. >> okay. one moment. >> okay. put -- here put all that over here so that way they won't see it. okay? come here and put it over here -- okay. put it all up there. okay. >> he put the weapons down? >> yeah, so hold on before you come. he's putting everything down. >> okay. he's going to get on the floor so tell them to hold on a minute. so let him get everything together. he's getting it all together. okay. tell me when you ready and then i tell them to come on in. okay. he wants to drink his bottle of water so let him drink -- let him get it together. okay. >> okay. >> did you want me to call somebody and talk to somebody for you? okay. we not going to hate you, baby.

it's a good thing that you giving up, so we not going to hate you. >> ma'am. you're doing a great job. >> so let's do it before the helicopters and stuff like that come. >> i already hear them. >> you hear them? okay. so -- do you want to go ahead and want me to tell them to come on in now? okay. he's getting everything out of his pockets now. >> okay. >> okay. he said the gun may come back and say it's stolen, but it's not. he knows the whole story about the gun, and he'll let you all know that. >> okay. >> do y'all want him to take his belt off? >> that's fine, just take all his weapons off. >> she said that's fine just take all your weapons off. he said he don't have no more weapons. >> okay. >> okay. he on the ground now with his hands behind the back. tell the officers to come in not shooting or anything and i'll buzz them in. >> okay. >> hang on there and i'll buzz them in so you know when they

are coming. okay? okay. just stay there calm. don't worry about it. i'll sit right here so they see you didn't try to harm me, okay? okay. >> okay. >> it's going to be all right, sweetie. i want you to know that i love you and i'm proud of you. it's a good thing you're giving up and don't worry about it. we all go through something in life. no, you don't want that. no, you don't want that. you going to be okay. i thought the same thing, you know, i tried to commit suicide last year after my husband left me. but look at me now. i'm still working and everything is okay. your name is michael what? michael hill? when the weather in the harbor? the people came from in the harbor and planted a gun? oh, the drums from in the

harbor? oh, okay. so you came with the kids that played the drums for the in the harbor? oh, for real? so you was actually in there doing all of that with them? oh, how awesome. so that means -- so that means i've seen you before then. oh, okay. y'all play them drums and stuff real good. okay. he said that they can come on in now. he needs to go to the hospital. >> okay. >> and he doesn't have any weapons on him or anything like that. he's laying on the floor, and he doesn't have any weapons, and he's got everything out of his pocket. there is no -- the only thing he has on is his belt. everything is out of his pockets and sitting on the counter. all they need to do, they can come in and i'll buzz them in so he knows they are here and they can come on in and get him and take him to the hospital.

>> okay. one moment. >> okay. yeah, she said she's going to let them know. she's talking to them now and let them know to come on in and take you to the hospital. okay? no, you stay right there. you fine. he said do you want him to go out there with his hands up or stay right there? >> stay right where he is. >> she said stay right where you are. he wants to know can he get some of his water right quick? yes, michael. you said michael hill, right? okay. guess what, michael? my last name is hill, too. my mom was a hill. he said what are y'all waiting for? what is taking them so long to come on? >> one moment. >> she said she's getting to them now that are coming. they are coming. hold on, michael. go ahead and lay down. go ahead and lay down. don't put your phone. okay.

you just got your phone? okay. that's fine. tell them to come on. come on. okay. he just got his phone. that's all he got is his phone. it's just him. >> do not move -- >> okay. it's just him. >> hello? >> yes. >> i'm going to tell you something, baby, nothing so scary in my life. >> me, either. but you did great. you did great. >> oh, jesus. what an extraordinary heroic woman, antoinette tuff was on that day. joining me now is cnn national correspondent martin savidge. that was remarkable to listen to, isn't it? >> reporter: absolutely. that woman is a one-person crisis negotiating team and what is remarkable is if that's the

role she was born to play on that day. i would love to be able to ramble off her life story. she's not that well-known. i can guarantee you after tonight she will become well-known for what she did. she not only saved the lives of dozens of children, police officers, staff gathered outside. just incredible. >> she's just a bookkeeper, not a head mistress, not head teacher, just bookkeeper that happens to be there when this guy walks in, 20 years old, clearly unstable with an ak-47. her poise, calm, quick-thinking and empathy that she shows him, which clearly diffused all the tension really astounding. it. >> is. she tells some heart felt, incredibly emotional revelations of her own personal life to everyone's who's listening but it is only key to one individual

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with rates as low as $99 per night at a doubletree. book now at doubletree.com/getaway. get on the ground. do not move. get on the ground. >> it's just him. okay. it's just him. >> keep going. >> uh-huh. hello? >> yes. >> i'm going to tell you something, baby, nothing so scary things in my life. >> me, either. but you did great. >> oh, jesus. >> you did great. >> oh, god. antoinette tuff, my new hero, i'm sure many others, too. the final seconds of the 911 call where this extraordinary bookkeeper gets a gunman to surrenderer. martin savidge and president of the leap company. welcome to you dr. amador. we've spoken many times but this

was remarkable courage but also really good thinking by antoinette tuff to really get inside this potential mass shooter's head. >> well she did. and what she did, at our institute we train hostage negotiators and police officers negotiators and police officers responding to mentally ill people. what she actually did is connected on a very human level. she didn't get inside his brain and do any kind of psychological intervention. she connected with him as a human being. she spoke to his sanity and she spoke to his humanity and listened to what he was most worried about, and that's what she responded to. she was remarkable in how she in a very common sense way engaged with this man as a human being and that made all the difference. >> martin savidge, what else do we know about her, antoinette?

obviously, as you said, she's about to become a huge national figure because of this heroic act, but she gave so much information there about her life. do we know anything else about her from the school or anybody else? >> reporter: no, as yet, school officials have not revealed a great deal about her. initially they didn't give out her name and credited authorities and staff members for assisting in the situation. what we do know is of course, she's an older woman and been through a lot, married for decades and her husband left her and she says she contemplated her own suicide. she's making personal confessions. she describes a son who has his own physical difficulties. she's pouring her heart out to a young man that has an ak-47 on him and armed with hundreds of rounds. so it's amazing how she thinks it through, calms everyone down. not just the gunman but at one point she's actually calming the authorities outside after the gunshots have been fired and

methodically works it through. to this young man to finally give himself up. >> an amazing reaction on twitter to this 911 call. send me your thoughts at piers morgan and we'll read some of them out. everyone is talking about this dr. amador because it almost did result in a mass shooting here. adam lanza and sandy hook, you can't overlook. michael hill, 20 years old, not far from the age of adam lanza. many of these shootings commented by younger white males. his brother says he's bipolar and hadn't taken meds and links to mental health issues we believe adam lanza had but more importantly, had access to this terrible assault weapon, ak-47 with 500 rounds of ammunition. how many more times is this kind of thing going to happen before somebody somewhere takes action

to try and stop at least some of it? well, you know, unfortunately, piers, we had this conversation many times over the last year, and the answer is it's going to be too many times. what -- though, i really would like to focus on here is the fact that this woman, i don't think she thought anything through. she intuitively understood this man's humanity and mental illness and connected to him by disclosing things about herself by appealing to the best part of him. and not looking at the ak-47 and instead looking into this man's experience and what he wanted. he was afraid of being put away forever and she said let's work on that. you didn't shoot anybody. you didn't do anything that will probably -- and she asked the dispatcher, isn't that right? so she's going into a helping mode. going back to mental illness and gun control. i'm not a gun expert but there is an increase in violence in mental people with untreated serious psychotic illnesses.

like bipolar and schizophrenia and so on. we continue to take that very seriously. i want to come back to what is really a wonderful ending and speaks to what is happening all over this country and police departments. police departments are learning to do what ms. tuff did intuitively as a common sense human being with a big heart. what they are learning to do. >> absolutely. >> -- what they are learning to do is lead with their ear and listen to them to get them to surrender. we don't have to have these shootings that end in violence. i said this many times, if we have the right training. she -- i know all i need to know about ms. tuff. she has a big heart. what did she say? i love you and i'm proud of you. >> absolutely remarkable woman. martin thank you and dr. amador. antoinette tuff saving hundreds of young children's lives with that remarkable performance. what a woman.

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it's the hardest thing you can ever imagine happening, and i think there is still a lot of shock and disbelief, and a lot of anger and sadness that's just every emotion flooded in. >> the poor girlfriend of christopher lane, the young man from australia murdered in oklahoma because the alleged killers were bored. this horrific crime is shocking the world. there's many talking about the gun violence in america. something my next guest knows a lot about, perhaps more than most. new york police commissioner ray kelly who joins me.

commissioner kelly, welcome to you and congratulations first of all in the largest gun bust in new york's history. 254 illegal guns that you seized this week. i want to come to that later. we'll start with the two appalling gun incidents in america. first this young australian student, here to play baseball, who was targeted by randomly bored teenagers and gunned down to hi death. what's your reaction to that story? >> it is horrific. no question about it. it underscores the fact there's way too many guns abroad in america. we have as many as 300 million guns in this country. just an incredible number. unfortunately, you are going to see events like this take place when you have that number of

weapons. we think that we're in need of sensible gun laws, federal laws. the case that you mentioned in new york and we're going to talk about it, but it cries out for federal gun trafficking laws. we simply don't have that. it also cries out for background -- universal background checks on people who want the get guns. this is common sense. it doesn't look like either of these things will happen in the near term. >> this other incident was in decatur, this georgia school. 28-year-old suspect michael brandon hill. he had 500 rounds of ammunition and ak-47. his brother says he's bipolar. he had previous dealings with authorities who thought he was a risk. again, an accident waiting to boil over. a bit like adam lanza before sandy hook. how do you tackle this stream of disenfranchised, disinfected,

perhaps deranged, usually white males who commit these mass shootings or have the intent to commit them? >> it is very, very difficult to do it. we need databases with more reliable current information about individuals' mental state. this person -- we're not certain if it was his gun or he got a gun from an acquaintance. if that were the case it would be even more difficult to check. again, it just goes back to the idea that we have way too many guns if america. >> yesterday, i interviewed a top australian politician. he'd been the deputy prime minister under john howard in they 90s. after they had a huge atrocity in the mid-'90s they brought in stringent gun control and as he said, taking guns off the streets, banning certain types of assault weapons has had a materially beneficial effect to reducing crime.

trying to win that argument in america is almost impossible at the moment. why is that? >> there there's a lot of polarization here. people in big cities, certainly new york being the biggest, have a different idea of guns and gun control, the need for gun control. people in other parts of the current, rural parts of america. there's a legitimate debate in some of these areas, but i can tell you in new york city and other cities in america we are being plagued with the proliferation of guns. >> you seized 254 illegal guns as i said. a lot of it through identifying and investigating social media postings. people brazenly putting up pictures on you tube and facebook and twitter and so on. is that a new prong in your attack? >> we have to keep up the times and social media is used to exchange information and showed

picture of guns that were for sale. there's a lot of law enforcement agencies involved in this case. in particular, we want to thank the sanford, north carolina, police and south carolina police for their assistance in this investigation. as you said, this is the largest seizure we have had. it was done through the outstanding work of one undercover police officer who was able to make the purchases from one undercover network. it is iron pipeline, up 95 from states in the south to new york city. 90% of the guns that we confiscate on the streets of new york are coming from out of state. this is obviously a classic example of that. >> the other example is in chicago, which is often quoted as a disaster when it comes to guns despite having reasonable gun control, and i say that

advise blichlt i think over 50% of those come from out of chicago. and no one is debating at the moment the possibility of having federal gun control laws. wouldn't that make life easier for everyone in your position, a city police chief to have the same rule in every state related to guns? >> absolutely. of course it would. as i say, i think certainly in the near term it is unlikely. here we have guns coming through several states from north carolina and south carolina, yet these individuals are being prosecuted under state conspiracy laws. gun possession laws and it makes the prosecution itself much more challenging. >> how is it that so many people in america do not share your view of the danger of guns? what is it about the gun itself, the culture of gun ownership, perhaps, that makes it so difficult to have this kind of sensible view of guns around the

nation? >> well, i think a lot of people simply are not affected by guns. people in urban areas are, and quite frankly, in communities of color for the most part. in new york city, 97% of the people shot in our city are either black or latino. it is concentrated in our major cities. so if you don't live in a major city or one of those neighborhoods, it is something you might read about in the newspaper but you are not personally affected by it. we are saving lives in new york city. we are doing it proactively but obviously not everybody is happy with some of our tactics and strategies. >> you touched there on stop-and-frisk. a contentious issue.

>> it is not racial profiling. it is something we reject. we are appealing the judge's decision. it was made on very scant evidence. the judge herself found ten of the 19 stops that were in question in this case acceptable as far as the constitutionality is concerned. we think the standard used in this case is -- we certainly don't accept the premise that racial profiling is going on in new york city. again, when you look at the universe of people who are being shot and killed in new york and you look at the people who are being arrested for it, and the criteria we submit is an appropriate one to use and that is the descriptions of the victims of violent crimes, description of the perpetrators then our stops comport with

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in the beginning i was a victim, but now knowing everyone out there is helping me, i consider myself a survivor instead. my mom raised me to be strong. >> hannah anderson speaking out on nbc for the first time since her abduction. in the day since her kidnapper was shot dead by the fbi new evidence is making the motivation for his crime unclear. perhaps a clearer picture of james dimaggio is his friend andrew acting as the family's spokesman. welcome back, andrew. complicated development in this story, which i want to cut to right now with you there is a request from james dimaggio's only surviving sibling laura for dna from the anderson family. why is this? >> it's a story that's largely been blown up in the media and not exactly accurate. there is a leak through social media that laura dimaggio picked up on that there was a possibility that either ethan or

hannah had been the -- or may have been the children of james dimaggio, but it's not something that she actively believes. she already has dna samples and has not asked the anderson family at all for dna samples. in fact, they spoke on friday night, brett and laura and it was very clear that they both had misgivings about the tragedy. what we're really dealing with here is trying to get answers. there is -- you know, there is a difference between trying to explain a tragedy and condemn a tragedy. certainly, we condemn james for the actions that he took. this has been a horrible tragedy for everyone. there's a lot of victims involved. laura, as well, is a victim. she can't leave her house. she's afraid to start her car. she's being hounded by the media. this is going on and on and on, and we're just looking at this issue of mental health. on the side of laura's family, the mother had -- the mother's

mother tried to commit suicide. the father committed suicide. this country is largely ignoring mental health. the first story you had is a perfect example where somebody with mental health issues ends up going into a school because that's the only place they think now they can get any attention -- >> if i can jump in, andrew. >> sure. >> i totally agree with everything you're saying. i want to clarify where we are with this development because from what i understand, rumors were circulating amongst neighbors there may have been some relationship, either in the past or on going between hanna anderson's mother, christina, who was killed and james dimaggio. is that, as far as you know, true? >> there is a lot of speculation. laura dimaggio is picking up on any clue she can get. the san diego police and fbi

have not spoken to laura since this tragedy began. she's left with no clues, nor has any evidence been returned to her. the letters from hanna supposedly to jim, the condoms that were taken, the gun has not appeared from the fbi. she's largely left with -- >> was she -- andrew, was she aware, laura, of any relationship between christina anderson and jim dimaggio? >> we know the relationship was that jim played a very key role in the family and was seen as an uncle obviously. but there is no direct evidence that he had a relationship with the mother now. >> part of these rumors are because james dimaggio changed his life insurance policy in 2011, leaving his $112,000 to hanna's paternal grand mother and removing his sister. the explanation was that he believed hanna's grandmother

would use that money most wisely to take care of the two children. again, a strange thing to do for a family friend, to choose these children's grandmother as the beneficiary of your life insurance. >> adds to the speculation. as i'm saying, it's speculation. we're looking for answers. laura said to brett when she spoke to him on friday that she, you know, had no intention of trying to get the money. she wants the money to go to the family. laura has not asked for a penny from anyone in this tragedy. the media is making her out to be a money grubbing, you know, person whose exploiting the media in this situation. the sad thing is is that here is a person who comes from a long history of mental illness along with james, her brother and nobody is talking about the two homicides that have occurred, why they have occurred, what the real motivation was for the killing -- >> it's horrendous -- >> mental health treatment. >> it's a horrible situation for her, clearly, and i think these

rumors don't help anybody. i hope we can clarify. the anderson family released this statement saying brett and tina anderson, christina, did not meet mr. dimaggio until the sixth month of pregnancy with hanna. brett's dna was used to identify the body of his dead son ethan anderson. thank you for joining me. >> yes, thank you, piers. next, driven to suicide. audrie pott took her life after pictures of an alleged sexual assault were circulating among her classmates. her parents join me live. that's coming next.

this next story is a tragedy that's becoming all too familiar. 15-year-old audrey was at a house party and drinking. she passed out and was allegedly raped by three of her classmates. someone took a picture, posted it to her friends and a week later she committed suicide. welcome to all of you. to all of you in the family, my sincere condolences and i appreciate you having the courage to talk about this tonight. let me start with you, lawrence, if i may.

for those that don't know what happened to your daughter, describe to me the circumstances that led to her death. >> well, she was attending a party at her friend's house, and there was some drinking going on. audrey had too much to drink, and she passed out. she passed out in a room, and we know that she was later on that evening sexually assaulted and there was several chances for young men and young women to be heroes, to step up, to do the right thing. nobody did. it was a terrible, terrible situation. audrey woke up the next morning. she had no idea what had happened that night.

she found writing all over her body, and she started to ask questions and started to piece together what had happened. >> and sheila, she clearly was then exposed to the embarrassment, the ridicule, the humiliation, the social network chatter about all this and eventually she felt so distraught she took her life. how did that make you feel, the collective pressure that she was clearly being put under? >> well, i can tell you that i had a very close relationship with my daughter. we had long talks frequently. so it wasn't until after her memorial service that we found out that she was sexually assaulted, and the subsequent events that led to her taking her own life.

so as every parent is going to feel, they're going to look back at every minute leading up to that and wonder what went wrong? and it wasn't until we uncovered some facebook messages that were saved because her phone was destroyed at the party that we realized what had happened and how she felt, and how that had a direct correlation as to why she took her life. and she didn't confide in us so that we could take steps to intervene. >> and lisa, you were audrey's stepmother. she was being bullied throughout this whole process, wasn't she? what is the lesson, the warning do you think to other parents that comes out of this awful tragedy? >> if anything, i think you need

to keep tabs on your children's activity on the internet. certainly if perhaps if we would have checked before we would have known about this. there was such a short time between when the crime was committed and audrey took her life, and there was no indication, no reason for us to check because audrey didn't tell us anything. so it's very difficult. >> in terms of the law surrounding all this, what are the issues that have been raised and does the law do enough do you think in situations like this? >> well, civilly we intend to prove that the actions of these young men and young woman was a main factor why audrey did what she did and civilly, we intend to prove that those actions did lead to her death. criminally, there are some changes we would like to see

made, at least out here in california for starters. principals and school executives cannot expel these young men and this young woman because these activities occurred off campus, which is a silly distinction. expulsion occurs only when there's on-campus behavior. also, for whatever reason we don't know the fact that audrey was unconscious makes the laws lighter. that obviously should change, as well. and finally, as are the laws in steubenville, ohio, the young men were tried as adults in that case, because rightfully it was an adult crime. out here in california, these young men are afforded protection, which we strongly disagree with. we've been silenced in many ways, and these young men have the protection of not only keeping this quiet, but they're receiving very light sentences

in our opinion. >> well, i hope that you get justice for audrey. she's clearly a very bright and beautiful young woman whose life was sadly taken in the most cruel way imaginable. my heart goes out to all of you. thank you to all of you. i really do appreciate you talking tonight. >> thank you, piers. >> thank you. we'll be right back. hey linda! what are you guys doing? having some fiber! with new phillips' fiber good gummies. they're fruity delicious! just two gummies have 4 grams of fiber! to help support regularity! i want some... [ woman ] hop on over! [ marge ] fiber the fun way, from phillips'. [ woman ] hop on over! with so much competition, finding the right job is never easy. but with the nation's largest alumni network,

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that's all for us tonight. let's give a huge thanks to that hero bookkeeper in georgia. antoinette tuff. remember that name. she calmly and cooly talk the school gunman into surrendering, saving god knows how many lives. she may not consider herself a hero, but she is to me. i hope she is to you, too. the jay tapper special "unlikely hero" starts right now. allah akbar. >> october 3, 2009, was the year's deadliest day for the u.s. in afghanistan. a storm of bullets, rockets, grenades and mortars rained down on a u.s. outpost.