sleep, i was so worked up about it. if it actually got your goat. maybe it's time to stopwatching the vma's, they're not going to change their shtick, trust me. if next year miley cyrus is still performing, she's going to get up there and have a live colonoscopy or something. i ask you, who is getting the last laugh? that does it for us. we'll see you again one hour from now at 10:00 p.m. eastern. "piers morgan live" starts now. welcome to our viewers around the united states and the world. into the wild, did an arizona teenager go missing because of this hollywood movie? >> you have to get back in the world, get out of the house, that lonely workshop of yours. get back out on the road. really. you're going to live a long

time, ron, you should make a radical change in your lifestyle. >> jonathan hasn't been heard from since last week. his car, i.d. and cash all abandoned. serene acting a 2007 movie? and are other teens doing the same thing? i'll talk exclusively to his worried father. also, reading, writing and rifles, can we protect america's students? i'll talk to two men who say a firm yes. inside the criminal mind. his mental health and violent video games in particular, are important when it comes to reducing crime. why the co-founder of apple is giving a bad review to the first steve jobs movie. >> it had steve jobs mannerisms but it didn't have his thinking and his thoughts. we want to begin with our big story, the mysterious

disappearance of jonathan crum, he may have been inspired by the movie, into the wild. thank you very much for joining me. i'm so sorry for this awful thing that's happened to you and your family. explain to me and the viewers why you believe there may be a connection between your son's disappearance and the book and the movie into the wild. >> i wasn't sure about what had happened until i got here. i heard his car was here when the police called me. it required me going back and talking to his friends and even his older brother and finding out what was going on. he apparently picked up this obsession or extreme interest in this movie in the story. six to eight months ago, he keeps watching the movie. he's been watching with others. and just thinking it was a great idea. he's always wanted to go camping. just recently he had a breakup

with a girlfriend, he was heart broken. they went out to visit a friend in washington, he watched it again. and they romanticized the entire idea. not realizing the movie had a bad end. people think it's romantic to go out and do that for fun. they don't realize that guy didn't make it, that's been my concern the whole time about this if that's what he's reenacting. in the movie, nobody got involved and looked for him, that's why we're looking for jonathan, ween watt to change his story and have a happy ending. >> jonathan is 18 years old, he left seattle alone on august 16 th and was due back in arizona the weekend of august 17 th so he could begin classes on monday at mesa community college. his suv was discovered wednesday august 21st. the suv didn't break down, wasn't out of gas, it was unlocked with money inside. the vehicle had not been broken into.

jonathan's 6'1", weighs 140 pounds. and may be carrying a multicolored backpack. when you saw the car, what did it tell you about what may have happened here? >> it told me something was really wrong. his brother said, you mean he left his car behind? he loves that car. so i knew something was really wrong. he would never leave that car behind unless something was wrong. he left it in a place that it was likely to be found. he wanted to be found but he wasn't concerned about it, he seemed to move on with it. he sent some texts during his trip saying, i'm going on an adventu adventure, maybe i'm running away, maybe i'm running away from nothing, i need to see this out. the last text anybody saw from him said, i'll text you if i make it out. that's the last word anybody heard. >> i have three teenaged sons myself, and i would not want to have any of them in the position that jonathan appears to have

found himself in. do you think he has it in him to keep safe in an environment, in the one that he's in now? >> piers, he's a tough kid, he's in great shape, and he's really smart, but i'm afraid that he's not geared up for this environment. from what we know, he was still wearing the same shorts and t-shirts that he's usually geared up in, and had very little in his pack back. he had maybe socks and a poncho, which is the concept, you head out with nothing, gear up along the way. that's this whole idea, and it's a bad recipe, it always ends badly. i'm just thinking he's in over his head and this was a last minute decision. something he had been thinking about, and i think because of his heartbreak, it's something he jumped into, maybe find himself, trying to get over this. clearly he's not ready for this environment at all. and that's why i'm concerned about finding him, interjecting ourself into the story, giving america information to help find him, so we can change the ending

on this one and bring him home. >> because there have been a number of copycats of young people trying to emulate what happened in the book into the movie and into the wild. as you write, the original 24-year-old who was the inspiration for the book and movie, he was found four months later, and he sadly lost his life, i'll be speaking to his parents in a moment. what is your message to jonathan if he's able to see one from me, what would you like to say to him. >> i would say, hey, we all make mistakes and it doesn't matter how far out you are, or what's happened, ween watt you to come home, it doesn't matter, just come home, we love you, everybody's worried about you, your brother's terrified, please come home. we all miss you, and we feel terrible and we love you, find your way, call us, call somebody. >> it's every parents nightmare, my heart goes out to you. i would hate for one of my kids to be in the position your boy

finds himself in. i hope it has the happy ending you wish for and we all wish for you. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, piers, thank you very much. i want to bring in two people who know all too well the turn this story can take. his story is the basis for the movie, into the wild, he died in the wilderness when he was 24. thank you to both of you for joining me. when you hear a story like the one i've described about jonathan crum, and you see the anguish of his farther, it must bring back vivid memories for both of you? >> yeah, those memories never die, of course, and ien watted to talk to him, i said, we were in suspended animation for two years. and one thing that doesn't come out in the book is, this is the third time chris had gone off on one of his journeys, he was an adventuresome soul.

and each time he would take higher and higher risks. the first time he did it, was when he graduated from high school. he said he would call every three days, he did for about a month, and dropped off the radar. did come home in time to get back to school, did well in school. but between his junior and senior year, he went off with his car and we got two postcards, one from el paso saying headed south. and he was such an adventurer, we could see some things happening in costa rica. we got another postcard months later, before he came back from his senior year, it was from fairbanks, alaska. they are successful for a time, and they get a heightened sense of invulnerability in this process, and they -- in chris's case, you know, his journey

spanned two years and he ranged from the sea of cortese to alaska and always pitting himself against the elements and the elements won at the end. and i wanted to say, we searched ardently for him, in that two-year period, he didn't call us, his siblings, aunts and uncles. he did make a number of friends on the road that are friends of ours, but it had a tragic ending. once he found himself in that place in alaska, he tried to get out and was unable to, he couldn't crossed the rivers that he crossed when it was frozen. >> if i could just bring billy in for a moment. one of the aspects of this particular latest disappearance is that the father clearly believes there's a connection to his son jonathan's obsessive watching of the movie into the wild. i'm sure that you will both be

keenly aware. there have been a number of supposed copycat trips that young people have taken into the wild trying to emulate what your son had gone through. how do you feel about that weird cult phenomenon that's been developing, and what do you say to youngsters who want to follow him like that? >> well, that -- i'll tell you what i've told many of the children we've talked to in the colleges and high schools, that we've been asked to come speak to, and you're right, there's many, many young people that are just enamored with chris and what he did, and why he did it. and we have a message for the family, including jonathan, if he's listeng. we want to say, young man, please call your parents. no one will ever worry about you, care about you or love you more than your mom and dad. we all have our issues, our personal journeys to accomplish,

but why not do them the support of those who love you the most. our prayers are with you and your family, that you achieve your goal. just remember your loved ones are part of your journey, and that's the message i would want him to have. and to remember in his heart. >> i think that's sensible advice and moving as well. thank you so much for joining me. and i'm so sorry that your own adventurous son ended in such tragedy. i appreciate the words of council and advice you've given for jonathan and his family. and let's hope he turns up safe and well. thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. how long can he survive in the wilderness, that's a question for sanjay gupta. a sad 120story, this hopefully l have a happy ending. what's the reality, an 18-year-old boy who goes on one of these adventures and finds

himself in the wild. realistically, how easy is it to survive in that situation? >> it really depends on what you start with in terms of your physical health and what resources you have. you know, if you -- i've covered a lot of stories where someone is truly without any resources in the middle of a natural disaster. and people generally cite something known as the rule of threes, which means three minutes without air. three days without water, three weeks without food. very general guidelines, it can depend a lot on your physical stature. but i was looking at a little bit of the area where he is, shoesedly, and at night, he gets into the high 50s, during the day into the 80s, it didn't sound like it was the wilderness as much as an area that may have some resources for him as well. that's the general rule of thumb, piers. >> sanjay, stay with me. when we come back, i want to know what you think was going on in the mind of an 8-year-old boy who intentionally shot and

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video games, i believe adam lanza had a stockpile of violent video games too. like i said, i don't blame any video game or anything like that for what i did. i put the blame on myself, but these things, they accumulate. >> my jailhouse interview with joshua cooke who murdered his adopted parents when he was 19 years old. we have a shocking story of an

8-year-old boy in louisiana who police say shot and killed his grandmoth grandmother, allegedly after playing grand theft auto. what can be done about that violent crime. back with me now, sanjay gupta. also joining me, dimaggio family spokeswoman. sanjay, on this question of violent video games, and the affect that they can have on people who already have some prepossessing mental health issue, or in the case of an 8-year-old boy are too young to understand the distinction between fantasy and reality. do you believe there is a link? >> certainly in the case of this 8-year-old boy, there is an association here. i've heard the story as have you, and it's pretty tough to believe there wasn't some sorts of relationship here. there's been a lot of studies on this, i know you've invest gated this yourself, a lot of the

studies have been done on people who are much older. the frontal lobe is more developed. you have studies that really point to both sides of this issue. lots of studies, even those in the u.s. military that show there could be benefits to video games. but there are others that show the people who develop, who play these video games can develop a lack of empathy afterwards, that's been imaged in the brain. it's a controversial area, the idea that the video games in someone who is a full on adult, makes them act violent is a little bit of a stretch. it's a harder association to make. it may cause less empathy, but it also may be the situation you describe. maybe people who already have less empathy are more drawn to these types of games. >> let's turn now to hannah anderson and what's going on. we have some footage here, this is where she talks about why she

connected with so many random people through facebook and instagram. >> i connect with them, it just helps me grieve like post pictures and to show how i'm feeling. and i'm a teenager. >> andrew, a former friend of james dimaggio, and a spokesman for the dimaggio family. sanjay, did this surprise people, i think that one of the first things that hannah did after she was freed from her terrible ordeal was to go on facebook and social media and have an entire day of interaction with complete strangers? what do you think of that phenomenon these days? >> i've seen this before. this idea that first of all younger people are communicating in different ways is obviously very apparent here, and the idea that you think of young people

having more resilience from something like this, this may be one of the ways that they manifest it, they reach out to people communicating with them. i will say something else that is obvious, when you go through an ordeal like this, and you don't have an obvious physical sort of symptom, or physical sign of it, it's sometimes can be debilitating as survivors have told me in the past. it's much more of a psychological symptom, and that in some ways amplifies this desire to reach out and in this case through social media. >> andrew. obviously, you know the dimaggio's well, you were a friend of james dimaggio. i can reveal that tomorrow night we'll have the first exclusive interview with laura, who was james dimaggio's only surviving sibling. you also are a therapist, and you dealt with many issues like this, so many issues raised by what happened here, a friend of yours who completely snapped, it would appear for reasons we may never be fully sure of.

hannah, who was obviously in a complicated situation with him. what do you make of it, now that you've had a time to assess it. >> i think it goes back to his childhood trauma. in my work, i've seen a lot of this. it's prevalent how mental health issues are. people don't bring on themselves. so there's 2.2 million schizophrenics in the united states. that's twice the number of people who have alzheimer's disease. there's four times that have a mood disorder. we've dropped any mental health services largely, we have the community mental health centers acts. the state and federal governments have largely dropped their responsibility taking care of the mentally ill. >> we've talked about so many things recently from marijuana to violent video games to other issues to prescription pill addiction and so on. at the root cause of all this, is that there's a lot of mental

health problems in america. is there enough being done at the state level or federal level to tackle what many think is the root cause behind so much of the violence? >> i completely agree. i am sort of struck by the fact that we don't -- mental illness gets short shrift many times. there are people we know are at risk, it's a real shame. having said that, i think it's important to point out. i'm curious to see what andrew thinks about this, most people who commit these violent crimes do not have mental illness, and people who have mental illness are more likely to be victims of these crimes than perpetrators of these crimes. i bring that out, because i think the context is important here, and i think the associations that people make. i saw it after new town, after several of these shootings over the years, they immediately assign a label. i remember after -- what

happened in sandy hook, they immediately pointed at adam lanza, he may have aspergers and that was the reason for what happened. that was a complete falsehood, and it was a dangerous myth, frankly. yes, i think mental illness gets short shrift, but we should not fall -- make the same mistake other people are making and draw these associations too closely. >> andrew, your reaction to that? >> i think that's partially true, there's paranoid schizophrenia out there. there are people that are mentally ill that do commit crimes. people that don't have a connection to reality, the same way a healthy brain will. people whose frontal lobes are developing at an early stage, they tend to disassociate from reality more. we're learning about mental illness starting earlier in life. people begin to have a mental illness, they'll go ahead and create some sort of delusion in their head which can result in a tragedy which we saw today. >> thank you for coming in.

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students at sandy hook elementary school are returning to school tomorrow morning. the new location and different building. nothing can erase the memory of what happened last december when adam lanza killed 26 people at the school. joining me now is a man who has a novel idea to prevent the next shooting. the bulletproof white board. university of maryland eastern shores is using them. welcome to both of you. tell me why you came up with this, or why you think it would work. >> our company is an armor company, full of engineers, and throughout the war and several contracts we were able to create armor that protected our troops overseas, it was a natural extension of that armor line, because we were saving a lot of lives overseas in truck armor and cover armor to begin to outfit police forces with some

of the newer technology. that became shields for drug interdiction teams. and after sandy hook happened, i'll never forget it, i caught the story a few days after, i was traveling. i saw it with my son sitting right next to me on the coach. i said, the same technology can apply to your school, and the armor needs to be there. sandy hook was done and over in three minutes. the armor needs to be in the hands of the teachers because they're there to protect the students. >> can it stop an ar-15 in the hands of somebody like adam lanza? >> we make all levels of armor, so the armor that we've outfitted many schools with is nij level 3a, the same armor that would be in a police vest. we make armor that stops all

assault rifles. a little bit heavier, a little more expensive too do that exact thing, but we make that level armor and above, and we make military armor to stop some of the most dangerous ied's in the world. >> let me bring in the police chief here. are you supportive of this? >> yes, i am. i'm supportive of anything that aids us and ensures the safety of our students, faculty and staff at the university. >> is there not a slight danger of chicken and the egg here. my argument would be, how does this stop somebody like adam lanza with an ar 15? >> it's a great question. we might both be able to answer this, but when he burst in at sandy hook, the teachers had nothing. i mean, they literally have no armor, and today, i remember when police vests were knew, and

every police officer has a vest in the war in iraq and afghanistan. we went to those wars and had to hastily up arm -- >> i say, here's my thing, i get that for law enforcement and military. i suppose my question for you is, do we really want to stop mill tarrizing all our schools, all our classrooms. you end up with kids going to school wearing suits of armor? >> i don't view this as as milli tarrizing our university. i see it as a proactive step. in the unlikely that someone comes on this campus with the intent to harm our students, staff and faculty. >> okay. >> here's one of the key things for us. >> one of the key things for us was to make it blend in, so that it doesn't look like a

militarized campus. you can see one of the white boards here is a yellow board. adding colors is to do what you said. we don't want the campuses to look militarized. i have two kids in school, they're young. and i don't want to take away from their innocence. >> i get it, and i think it's a very interesting proposal. and honestly, i'm not entirely sure what i think, i'm going to debate it in a moment. i go to another man who believes in bulletproof doors. the president of the pacific bulletproof company and joins me now. >> you're doing more for genuinely bulletproof doors? >> yes. >> this is the thing you're talking about? >> we make ballistic doors out of this. a lot of conference rooms are with a clear door, this is the door we're proposing for schools, which is a -- you go to any school, it's a steel door. this is the same look classroom

door, it doesn't make fear -- it doesn't create fear. >> are they expensive? >> no. >> schools around america could have these relatively cheaply? >> i think so, yeah. >> how do you feel? are you a parent yourself? >> i have two kids in school. >> how do you feel about my concern about the the milli tarrizing of the educational process. >> i think kids should be able to go to school in an environment that is not full of fear. i also think kids need adults to protect them. with the white board idea, if the kid has to hold it um, that's traumatic enough as it is. we make all kinds of bullet resistant products for banks, government, everywhere. we've spent the last six months fielding calls from schools ever since sandy hook. they've been saying, what can we do. they gave us a problem. we did a lot of research and we

said, we can make a door that makes exactly like your classroom door. >> would that door, with that substance stop an ar-15? >> no, this door would not. we can make the same looking door that would, but it would be a little cost prohibitive for schools for every classroom. >> i think that's one of the issues, the ar-15 is the preferred weapon of the mass shooters. unless it stops that, i'm not sure it's any more than fiddling while rome burns, personally. >> we looked at that, we work with banks. we go to any chase bank. and 12 years ago, i opened this company because banks were having major problems getting robbed. the cameras witnessed the rockery, but it did nothing to prevent it. when you put a barrier there, this may not stop the ar-15 from

going through it, it is going to stop them from getting into the classroom and doing hand to hand shooting of kids, which is going to eliminate a lot of fatalities, it's not an end all be all and no one product is going to be, this is going to slow up the person and get the time for the police to come in and respond. >> thank you very much. we thank you both very much as well. when we come back, i'll get into this with a man who agrees with me. ben fergessen is on the grill tonight. the humble back seat.

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tell congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> that's the nra's warren lapierre. generally i think you need to reduce the volume of guns. a man who agrees with me. >> i can understand why a lot of parents in america following sandy hook have concerns about

their child's safety, perhaps they're gun owners and responsible ones and it makes perfect sense to have bulletproof doors and boards and so on. i've had a lot of tweets since we did this segment. they're treating the symptoms, not the disease. what a frightening country to bring my kid to. that's the other side of the argument. you start militarizing schools, where does it end? do kids have to wear bulletproof vests? >> i don't think so. we have to do more mental health. i think we can agree on that issue. i think the doors is an interesting idea, which does not take a gun to help protect kids. if you do put these doors. even the door the man was talking about a moment ago, where he says, it's going to give the teacher time to move the kids into the corner and take the shooter a long time to

get into the room if not at all. that's the same thing we did with airplanes. i feel like i'm getting on a normal airplane that has an armored door that i know is helping protect the passengers from terrorists, bad guys, the same way this door would help protect students from a bad guy, a terrorist, this is one of those steps where i say, here's compromise, maybe we should look at this, obviously i think having first responders there that can help protect kids is the best case scenario. this is one i can get behind. >> isn't there also an argument that says these bulletproof doors and boards can't stop an ar-15, what are we doing in america still allowing ar-15s to be sold to civilians? >> i understand what you're saying, but there's a lot of things that don't stop a lot of bullets. he's still a bad guy with a bullet. he's a bad guy with a gun. i go back to the core of this,

we have to start doing a better job of going after the black market and going after people that break gun laws and putting them in jail for a long time, we had a shooter the other day that went to school. he was a corn victimed felon, he wasn't allowed to own any gun, yet he got multiple guns on the black market, you can do everything legally to say a guy like that can't have a weapon, and you can do a lot of things with mental health -- it doesn't mean they're not going to find one or multiple like we saw in georgia, and then you still need someone to fight against them and shoot back to save people's lives in 99% of those situations. >> okay. let's move on to syria, because john kerry's very strong today. he said the use of chemical weapons in syria is undeniable. he said, it seems to be the preliminary rhetoric now as america gears up to take some kind of action.

he's supportive of a military strike against syria and its regime? >> i think at this point when america says there's a thin red line, most civilized nations agree with that, you cannot use chemical or biological weapons on your own people. he did it months ago, from the data we've seen, now there's no doubt he's attacked his own people with chemical weapons. we should absolutely get involved at least from the air and say, assad, we told you this was the line. we told it to you a year ago, barack obama, i support him when he said it a year ago, he better do it now, otherwise, if he doesn't do something, then leaders like assad know they can do whatever theyen watt to do, including gassing their own people, and the united states of america is a big, big, big empty place that's not going to stand up and say, we're going to hold you accountable for this, and i think john mccain's right, you look at john kerry today, he said a bunch of stuff that meant nothing to assad. he just said, we denounce what you're doing, we think it's

wrong, and the nation agrees with us. we're going to pun the to the u.n. the u.n.'s not going to stop this, someone else has to stop up to get it started to fix this problem. >> i agree with some of that, the problem, of course, is after iraq, it's hard to know who to trust when we're told there's incontrovertible evidence of use of chemical weapons. that is one of the problems here, is that some people don't believe that the american government any more, when it says it has that proof. i want to see that proof, if the proof is there, i think there's a humanitarian incentive, and, in fact, it's the duty of the americans and united nations to help those poor people in syria. for now, thank you very much. >> good to be here. coming up next, ashton kutcher versus steves would knee ago. why the movie version of steve jobs' life is not the real story. [off screen] give me a kiss!

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what are you working on? >> a computer terminal that hooks up to the tv for a display. >> steve? >> jobs stars ashton kutcher. hollywood got the story of apple wrong. among those critics, a man who was there from the start and probably knows apple co-founder. you're not happy about this movie, why? >> i didn't say they got the story wrong, the story is in their head anyway.

the movie wasn't a quality movie. i was hoping for a great movie that showed steve jobs his brilliance and how he could come up with ideas and argue with people and make decisions and also the nasty side of him, the one that you love and hate. i wanted those emotions again, and the movie was flat. >> what did you get from the movie -- >> i don't know if the acting was missing part of it. it had steve jobs mannerisms but it didn't have his thinking and thoughts. and also, there were a lot of scenes in that movie, never happened. it's okay to make the scenes fictional. >> that's the character of steve jobs you didn't like. >> what is the meaning of the scenes, is it correct? over and over, steve jobs is like this god departing all the instructions and wisdom to everyone else. everyone else, it was the opposite way. i mean, i -- just a little tiny thing, i was so offended they portrayed me as the pop beatles guy and steve was the hit dillon guy. wait a minute, i had every

dillon album. the computer stuff was no, the only emotions were three little jokes. i laughed out loud in the knee ter. >> steve wozniak is paid to help support their steve jobs film. the biggest criticism is he wanted to represent the contribution. it's called "jobs" and about steve jobs and the legacy of steve jobs and so i think it focuses more about what -- on his contribution to apple was. >> what is your response to that? >> i was hoping to see the movie. i believed in it so much because ashton was in it and dethe mannerisms well but when he said that, why turn it in to something personal? you know?

he is not being paid to represent the movie and how well it does. i'm not making money how well the movie does. they asked me to consult on their movie. this movie "jobs" and i got the script. the script's already written. they won't consult and then write it based on it. the script, my wife and were horrified by it. you didn't portray jobs honestly the way he would have wanted and not the quality product like a quality product. it is so flat. >> is he too nice in the movie, too? >> who? steve jobs? >> ashton kutcher's impression of jobs. >> what was happening is, no. there are a lot of sides of steve jobs that are -- that would get in to emotional, temper tantrums. do horrible things. most of the people on the mcintosh team said they would never work for jobs again. >> let's watch a scene. >> if you don't share our enthusiasm and care for the

vision of this company -- >> no, no, no. i'm not understanding -- >> get out. >> what? >> get your [ bleep ] and get out. you're done. >> what are you going to do, fire me? >> no. i already fired you! >> is that like steve jobs? >> there were a lot of incidents of steve jobs' history were like that. they were not in front of me. you know what? there was only about one shown in the movie. >> are you hoping the aaron sorkin movie of the version of steve jobs will be more realistic? >> i was hoping this movie would be, a, realistic and if not realistic then entertaining. i'm hoping the same way and no way to know or whether i'll say good things about it or bad until i see it. but, you know, i'll give them at least my input to help them come up with their ideas. every movie technically is a fiction. >> change gears a bit here. you drove down from san jose, a

five, five, six-hour journey. there's portraying something that could beam you down here. you said you wouldn't do this. >> he has a great vision of new science and technologies and exploring ways of things that nobody thought of before. i myself, i'm late in life. i love to drive. i count the time that i would drive from my home to an airport, go through the security stuff where you feel so demeaned by -- >> you haven't flown since 9/11? >> i have not flown since 9/11. if i can drive in a day. that means salt lake city, 12 hours. phoenix, 12 hours. i drive. i don't fly. i'm just the wrong person to ask. i thought about the hyper loop. 30 minutes from here to l.a. the flying time for a plane is 45 minutes. you have cut 15 minutes of a plane flight and still have to go through -- where will you check your luggage? there is a no carry-on abilities

from the pictures i saw and a question not answered. and will you have to wait or the next one always instantly got hundreds of openings for you? >> how many hours of sleep do you need in life, steve? >> it depends. i got for a lot of my life i was four or five and now, you know what? i like it when i can get eight but it's hour here, two hours there. >> i can't imagine your brain being dormant. >> no, no, no. you know what? almost everybody that's excited about the technology field, excited about the latest gadgets and do they do this and that? my life was gadgets, hi-fis. >> did you wake up at 3:00 a.m. with a genius idea? >> lot in the old days. less now. sometimes i think a thought and wake up with solutions. you know, you go through periods of your life, usually young and have the greatest intellectual freedom and the physical energy to stay up longer.

>> i feel more energy having you sitting near me like you're beaming some radiation towards me of high creative genius energy. >> just say that i'm excited about life. i'm excited about life. >> talking of life, last time we talked you drop a bombshell you had been with kim and kanye and little baby north west and now this friendship developed and now stayed in touch and kanye rings you from nightclubs and so on. >> you know what? i like them both very much. i'm not pressing -- they have enough people that probably press on them, celebrities. >> he calls you, kanye. >> they've been very nice and called us and contacted us. i think they treat us as friends, probably because we are no threat to them. >> what do you talk about? >> you know, we had some nice discussions about some of his ideas for a business he sees. we haven't talked about it in detail. we haven't talked about specifics. pretty much just that, hey, you know, i approve of him.

i count him a friend. >> steve, as always, i could talk to you hours. come back soon. come back with kanye. let's do a special. >> all right. you have $2 bills? >> yeah. steve wozniak. one of my favorite guests. we'll be right back. l take that. yeah excuse me. the equinox in atlantis blue is mine! i was here first. it's mine. i called about that one. it's mine. customers: [ echoing ] it's mine, mine, mine. it's mine! no it's not! it's mine! better get going. it's the chevy labor day sale. [ male announcer ] the chevy labor day sale. just announced: $500 labor day cash now through september 3rd on most 2013 chevrolet vehicles! [off screen] hthere you are. [speaking german] hi, grandpa! [off screen] give me a kiss!

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