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next, breaking news. president obama in his own words on his plans for syria. what he means by consequences for the assad regime. a montana man quicked of raping his 14-year-old student, how could a judge only sentence him to 30 days in prison? an exclusive interview tonight with the victim's mother. and four famous words, i have a dream. dr. martin luther king's vision 50 years later. has the dream come true? let's go outfront.
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i'm jessica yellin in for erin burnett. outfront tonight breaking news. making the case for war. president obama directly addressed the possibility of a strike against syria just moments ago in an interview with pbs' the news hour. >> we have not yet made a decision but the international norm against the use of chemical weapons needs to be kept in place. and nobody disputes or hardly anybody disputes that chemical weapons were used on a large scale in syria against civilian populations. we have looked at all of the evidence and we do not believe the opposition possessed nuclear weapons or chemical weapons of that sort. we do not believe that given the delivery systems using rockets that the opposition could have carried out these attacks.
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we have concluded that the syrian government and if so there need to be international consequences. we are consulting with allies and international community. i have no interest in open ended conflict in syria. we have to make sure that when countries break international norms that they are held accountable. i think it is important that if, in fact, we make a choice to have repercussions for the use of chemical weapons then the assad regime involved in a civil war will receive a strong signal that it better not do it again. and that doesn't solve all the problems inside of syria. and, you know, it doesn't
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obviously end the death of innocent civilians inside of syria. and we hope that, in fact, ultimately a political transition can take place inside of syria. we are prepared to work with anybody, the russians and others to try to bring the parties together to resolve the conflict. but we want the assad regime to understand that by using chemical weapons on a large scale against your own people, against women, against infants, against children that you are not only breaking international norms and standards of decency but you are also creating a situation where u.s. national interests are affected. and that needs to stop. >> senator bob corker is the top republican on the foreign relations committee. hi, senator. always good to see you. >> good evening. >> you have spoken with administration officials i know a few times over the past few days about syria.
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we heard the president say if the u.s. launches a strike on syria the goal is to quote send a signal to assad. is that a solid enough military objective? >> well, look, we issued a warning or the president issued a warning some time ago regarding crossing this red line. they believe the red line has been crossed. i have a classified briefing in the morning here. i came back up for a meeting or two on this topic, actually. other meetings in addition. i look forward to having that classified briefing for the case to be laid out as to the fact that the assad regime has actually done this and i believe they have based on the evidence that i know publicly. i do think it is important for us to cause international norms to be adhered to. i want to say i have been very forward on this saying that i do not want it on the other hand to change the policy that we have
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which is to support the vetted moderate opposition on the ground, not with boots on the ground but by quipping and training. that has been very slow to be forthcoming. again, i don't want what we may be getting ready to do with syria to take us away from the stated strategy and policy of insuring that we don't get directly involved in any kind of quagmire relative to civil war. i think what the patrol is proposing, a surgical proportional strike is called for here assuming the intelligence briefing that i get justify those actions. >> so it is justified. do you think the president has a clear syria policy? >> i think the president has been very slow to come to the table. i know that we passed out of the foreign relations committee a policy and i very much supported
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that. the administration has based on public comments that they have made have really embraced a policy very similar to what we passed out. but what we are doing is being done, jessica, covertly so we really don't know the details of how we are actually arming the opposition groups. i was just there two weeks ago and i know that those arms had still not begun to flow. i will say i think the administration has been frustratingly slow in helping build the capacity, not with our men and women on the ground, but through equipping and training the opposition. so i think our policy so far candidly has not met the test but i do believe it is beginning to take shape and i know that we are -- >> i want to play something else the president said tonight to pbs about the targeted missile strikes which you are saying you support. listen to this. >> if, in fact, we can take limited, tailored approaches,
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not getting drawn into a long conflict, not a repetition of iraq which i know a lot of people are worried about, but if we are saying in a clear and decisive but very limited way, we send a shot across the bow saying stop doing this, that can have a positive impact on our national security over the long term and may have a positive impact in the sensate that chemical weapons are not used again on innocent civilians. >> we all know the saying you can't get a little bit pregnant. are you prepared to support the president and the u.s. military if this does bleed into a larger conflict? >> no. i mean, i do not want it to bleed into a larger conflict. i have been very clear. i have had multiple conversations with the administration about that.
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and there is a call that has been set up to walk through plans in the near future. let me put it that way. so i will be hearing more clearly exactly what the intentions are, exactly, hopefully, how we are going to go through this without causing oursives to be wrapped up in a quagmire that takes us to a place we do not want to go. i do support that type of effort as long as we know that that is the goal and that we are not in any way implicating ourselves or getting ourselves more deeply involved in something that is nothing more than today it is a civil war. obviously we would like to see the vetted opposition groups survive and win. i don't want to see boots on the ground or see us mired in a conflict much deeper. one more thing, the administration has consulted and we have been aggressive candidly
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and being consulted meaning we made calls to the administration over the course of friday, sunday, heard from the secretary of state on tuesday and more activity tomorrow. i do think we would be so much better off if the administration would come to congress, call everybody back and let congress authorize this activity. because as you just asked a minute ago, jessica, am i willing to do x? i really do think that this is one of the cases where time allows for congress to come back, to give an authorization. i think they have met the test, i am talking about the administration from the standpoint of what the war powers resolution says and that is that they must consult with congress. i think we would be on so much stronger footing with this if they would call us back in and ask for a real authorization from congress. >> thank you, senator. i suspect that they are going to consult but not ask for the
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authorization. we hope you come back and share with us what you learn. thanks so much for being with us. and still to come, more on the crisis in syria. we take you inside the country where we have exclusive video of mass graves in the after math of the chemical weapons attack. plus nidal hasan is sentenced to death. and dogs running wild in detroit. the new problem facing america's largest bankrupt city. and honey booboo's big day. [ male announcer ] this store knows how to handle a saturday crowd.
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the decision to go to war. president obama said tonight he has not yet determined whether or not to strike syria but he did lay out his justification for u.s. involvement. >> when you start talking about chemical weapons in a country that has the largest stock pile of chemical weapons in the world where over time their control over chemical weapons may erode, where they lied to terrorist organizations that have targeted the united states, then there is a prospect, a possibility in which chemical weapons that can have devastating effects could be directed at us. and we want to make suret that that does not happen. >> fred joins us from damascus and here in new york nick peyton walsh. you spent time with the rebels in syria.
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and christopher harmer, senior naval analyst at the institute for study of war. nick, i would like to start with you, president obama also talked today about the future of syria. let's listen and talk about all of this. >> what has happened there is tragic. although i have called for assad to leave and make sure that we have a transitional government that can be inclusive in syria, what i have also concluded is that direct military engagement and involvement would not help the situation on the ground. >> his rationale for going on or for a strike is the clearest i have heard to date talking about the danger of chemical weapons. you have spend time with the rebels and you know a bit about the situation in syria. if the chemical weapons were to fall into the hands of syrian rebels is there a good guy there, somebody we feel
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comfortable controlling the arsenal? >> no. the elements shattered themselves. they are powerless if you compare them to the radical groups. it comes down to the dilemma here. if you are going to launch a strike like this you are degrading the regime. you need to stay together to safe guard these chemical weapons in some way. you can't put u.s. boots on the ground and you can't bomb them without potential for environmentalal catastrophe. so you try to balance options. you need the regime to look after weapons until you find an alternative. you want to teach a lesson, as well. >> it seems like we are working against our own objective. degrading assad but we don't want the extremists. >> on the border of turkey, as
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well. the key thing they have to weigh out, he wants the signal to be clear. you push the assad regime too hard, you take the air force out in 30 minutes perhaps. if you actually degrade them too heavily the people to seize are al qaeda linked militants. >> you're credited and i'm told not correctly but credited with coming up with a cruise missile-like strike on syria similar to the one the president might be considering for hitting assad right now. you have said it is a bad idea. i want to ask you, what is a better idea? >> first off, let's start by saying this is a humanitarian crisis of epic proportions. i speak in analytical terms. 100,000 dead people. 2 million displaced persons or ref gees. there are bad options, worse options and horrible options.
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the plan i came up with was an appropriate response prior to chemical weapons being used. >> he wants to do something. the president clearly wants to do something. what is the best option that involved the least use of u.s. treasure and the least threat to u.s. lives? >> the best option is to decisively strike against assad. use the cruise missile attack. you further cruise missile attacks. at the same time significantly increase the military aid we are giving to the secular rebels. nick points out they have been fractured. that is true. al qaeda has superior funding, organization and discipline. >> fred is the one in damascus risking really his life to bring us amazing reporting. we have exclusive video of mass graves in syria from one of the areas allegedly hit by a chemical weapons attack. does it look like the assad
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regime believes an attack is imminent and are they doing anything to try to avoid it? >> reporter: it certainly looks like they are slowly coming to the conclusion that an attack is imminent. there are reports that the syrian u.n. ambassador was asked about whether or not the head quarters might have moved a large part of their staff and hardware out of those areas and possibly into other areas. there were some reports on news agencies saying possibly some of the artillery here might have been abandoned by forces and might have been brought away. and that has been used in the past couple of days around the clock to pound the out skirts of damascus and rebel bound territory. if you look at damascus now it is very, very quiet.
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there is the possibility that there might be military movements going on to try to bring some of the hardware into safety. whether or not that will help the syrian military is really up in the air. i can tell you that people that i speak to on the ground are also preparing for possible u.s. air strikes. they don't think they would be in danger of american rockets but they do fear the fact that this could change the balance on the battlefield and they fear islamist rebels. >> just a human level, do you feel safe or is there an eerie kind of quiet there? >> reporter: well, most of the time we feel safe here. there are areas that you go to where there is mortar fire going on where you are not that sure. especially if you go towards the outskirts into the contested areas you realize it is quite dangerous out there. i was on the front line with syrian forces with the assad regime a couple of days ago.
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they are under fire there all the time. this civil war really is one that is fought very, very tough in a very tough way. you hear artillery going off the entire time, as well. the outskirts of damascus is a really tough place to be at this point in time. when you go out there and go on the front line there isn't much safety to speak of. >> you're doing amazing work. keep it up. thanks so- s so much for your reporting. dogs running wild in detroit. what can a bankrupt city do about its stray dog epidemic. a montana teacher is convicted of raping a student but is sentenced to just a month in prison. the victim's mother comes out front with the reaction to that punishment. [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing.
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our third story outfront, detroit's stray dog epidemic. it has been just a month since detroit became the biggest u.s. city ever to file bankruptcy. and poppy harlow finds human beings aren't the only motor city residents feeling the sting. >> you just found this dog? >> running up the street. >> reporter: in america's biggest bankrupt city where people are fleeing in droves there is another problem, thousands upon thousands of dogs roaming detroit's streets. >> he is a stray. he is so thin. >> reporter: most are pit bulls starving for food and affection. >> moved out, left him behind. he was tied up in the backyard.
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>> reporter: this is a young stray pit bull brought in completely malnourished, injured. this is something that they see here every single day. one of the biggest problems facing detroit and the stray dogs is the fact that so many are not spayed or neutered so the problem persists. >> they are disposable in people's minds. they don't vaccine ate or pay or neuter. >> reporter: educating owners to spay and neuter their dogs and provides free food. >> a lot of people have lost their homes, lost their jobs and they don't have the funds. they love their animals but, you know, it is very hard to feed their own kids and their family. >> what are you going to do? >> exactly. >> reporter: are there more people living oin this street or more stray dog? >> right now more stray dogs.
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>> reporter: with the world animal awareness society took us to desserted homes. would tearing down abandoned homes help solve the problem? >> absolutely. people are quickly absorbing animals and passing them on to other people. there is no sense of guard insulinship and responsibility of having an animal. >> reporter: we found this dog in the backyard here. the house is burned down. it is obviously an abandoned home. there is trash everywhere. the house next door is burnt down. we have no idea how long the dog has been here. detroit animal control is overwhelmed. >> in one week they could be euthanized. >> 70% of euthanized. >> this is an example of a discarded animal that someone let go. >> reporter: he has seen a lot, too much, in his 19 years doing this. how bad is the problem? >> the problem is as bad as the
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economic problem, i think. the whole society is pretty bad. people don't have jobs. they use animals to build rev m -- revenue and protect their property. >> reporter: tough to say the least and man's best friend is waiting to be rescued. for outfront, poppy harlow, cnn. >> great story. ahead 50 years since martin luther king delivered his famous "i have a dream speech" plus george zimmerman's wife admits she lied in court. and russian president vladimir putin like you have never seen him before. [ gerry ] you really couldn't have come at a better time. these chevys are moving fast. i'll take that malibu. yeah excuse me. the equinox in atlantis blue is mine! i was here first. it's mine. i called about that one. it's mine. customers: [ echoing ] it's mine, mine, mine.
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welcome back to the second half of outfront. we start with stories where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. a 13-member jury deliberated for about two hours before recommending major nidal hasan be put to death. hasan was convicted of 13 counts of murderer and 32 counts of attempted murder in a shooting rampage in fort hood texas. hasan said nothing as the decision was read. the verdict goes to an army
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general who will get to decide whether to accept the sentence but it requires approval from the president. as we reported the military has not carried out a capital punishment since 1961. florida prosecutors were not able to convict george zimmerman but made an example of his wife today. shelly zimmerman pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge for perjury for lying to a judge about being poor when it turns out the couple had about $135,000 at the time. she avoided potential prison time. instead she will get probation for one year and will have to pay court costs. this comes a day after her husband's legal team said they will ask the state to cover as much as $300,000 in legal expenses after he was acquitted in the murderer of trayvon martin. in russia authorities have ceased a painting which shows
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vladimir putin in lingerie. it is against the law in russia to insult politicians. here is where we are stumped. putin appears in the image to be wearing lingerie which is more than we often see him wearing. here he is shirtless and fishing. shirtless and seeing a doctor because he wanted us to know that he hurt his shoulder during judo practice. shirtless and swimming which is reasonable. what about shirtless and feeding a horse and hunting? go figure. this one just in. members of martin luther king's family was in an accident this afternoon not far from the martin luther king monument where they were celebrating the 50th anniversary on the march on washington. one tells us a police escort was with the bus when a car came at it. there were children and seniors
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on the bus and everybody was thrown out of their seats. that brings us to our fourth story outfront. i have a dream. 50 years to the day that martin luther king jr. delivered his call for justice from the steps of the lincoln memorial the nation's first african-american president, barack obama stood in the same spot to commemorate that day. has dr. king's dream been fully realized. >> reporter: the president's buzz word today was progress. >> to dismiss the magnitude of this progress, to suggest as some sometimes do that little has changed that dishonors the courage and the sacrifice of those who paid the price to march in those years. >> reporter: mr. obama says
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there is still a lot of work to do for everyone especially when it comes to jobs and the economy. >> to win that battle, to answer that call, this remains our great unfipshed business. >> reporter: the evidence of racial economic disparity is not pretty. the unemployment rate for blacks remains almost twice that for whites. about 30% of blacks own homes than their white counter parts. the president of the urban league agreeses the white house has unfinished business. >> we would like to see him tackle this issue of the economic under class, poverty, jobs, the need to build an economy to lift up because economic disparities, the gap between the rich and the poor, the gap between black and white has not markedly changed since 1963. >> reporter: and the rev. jesse
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jackson, a contemporary of dr. king says if king were alive he would be pressuring the white house. >> he would feel proud of barack obama. it would be a big deal but there would be attention between the agenda of political order. >> reporter: for outfront, cnn washington. >> outfront to talk about it martin luther king's niece and conservative blogger. thanks to both of you for being with us. crystal, i would like to ask you black unemployment rate is double the white unemployment rate. the president mentioned that in his speech today. i'm wondering if you think the president has done enough to help? >> no. i don't. and i think it's interesting whenever the president talks about unemployment and the need for jobs he talks about it as if he is a voyeur to his own administration, he is divorced from what is happening. frankly, he is not creating
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policies to uplift all americans but particularly black americans who gave him over 90% of the vote each time and he has abandoned agenda for him. i agree with jesse jackson for the first time if you can believe that in that martin luther king would be horrified not only at the lack of focus on opportunity policies which king was all about but also the politics of low expectation and victimization that this president continues to tell black americans, you are not good enough. you can't get a voter i.d. it is because of racial profiling. one final thing, it is because of, you know, you are just a victim. you are having 73% of your babies born to unmarried families. so i think king would say wait a minute. you are a testament to my dream, barack obama, but we need to
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have constructive criticism to black americans so they can reach that mountain top. that is what i fought for, equality. >> dr. king you are a member of the king family and an honor to have you with us on this important day. i wonder if you would like to respond to that. do you think the president does overly victimize the black community? >> i believe the victimization is not going to be our answer. i grew up in the king family legacy, the family that nurtured dr. martin luther king jr. and we were taught the work ethic and to produce and perform. we wanted equal students and th -- opportunities and that is all. the programs that continue to point to racism and have us feel as though we are victims that will not increase our opportunities for jobs, good education or decent housing. that is exactly what we were marching for 50 years ago. i did not go to the march. i was old enough and i grew up
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during that era. so all of the programs and the race crying and everything that is being offered is not going to provide those basic human needs that we all have a right to. >> so the president today called economic fairness the, quote, great unfinished business on the march on washington. dr. king, what do you think the president should do to finish that effort? >> well, honestly i know because he mentioned the mandate and wanted people to believe my urngal would be happy about that. >> you mean obama care? >> yes. with obama care my uncle, of course, would want fair and adequate medical care for everyone. so do i. what is being offered in obama care free contraceptive and easy access to abortions, we want people to be healthy. >> what would you like to see
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him do to continue to expand economic opportunity? >> i would like to see him support school choice and vouchers. we all know that blacks who are trapped in violent riddled innerer cities are disproportionatettally using school vouchers and choice. i would like -- he came here and he started a dry cleaning business and he sent three kids to college. >> domestic agenda is a sign of advancement. >> i think all the things but real policies. it is about education -- we know education is the great equalizer. i would like to see the president focus on education, tax policies and getting rid of obama care so people will hire again and blacks will have jobs and not supporting amnesty.
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>> he does have three years to work on some of the other issues you bring up. thanks to both of you for your time. rchlt and still to come, a shocking punishment. a montana teacher receives a 30-day prison sentence for raping a teenage student. for pain and swelling? apply cold therapy in the first 24 hours. but not just any cold. i only use new thermacare® cold wraps. targettemp technology delivers a consistent, therapeutic cold to stop pain and start healing. new thermacare® cold wraps. a better way to treat pain. like carpools... polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business. one bucket of data for everyone on the plan, unlimited talk and text on smart phones.
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a fifth story outfront, growing outrage over a 30-day sentence for rape. tonight calls are intensifying for a judge to step down after he sentenced a former montana teacher to 30 days in prison for raping his 14-year-old student who later committed suicide. in a moment we are going to speak exclusively to the victim's mother who is outraged over this sentence. >> reporter: this was to be a moment of justice, teacher stacy ram bolt was charged with raping his student. he was 49 at the time.
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prosecutors wanted a 20-year sentence. instead judge gave him just one month for the crime. >> i was floored. i thought there was a minimum sentence. i don't know. my faith in the justice system is gone. >> reporter: especially when you hear the details. she was a freshman at billings high school. prosecutors say he seduced her and began a relationship. as the case lagged through the justice system she just shy of her 17th birthday committed suicide. with the victim dead prosecutors struck this deal with rambolt. he faced the judge this week
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because he violated that deal. yet judge baugh gave him 31 days minus one day served in jail. why? in court he says she seemed older than her chronological age. laterer he told cnn that was not the best choice of words adding it was not a violent rape like in the movies but was a rape and should not have happened. as far as rambold he will be a free man in less than 30 days. >> and outfront is the mother. i can't imagine what you are going through right now. our condolences go out to you and your family. your daughter was raped. we know she later took her own life and that her teacher, stacy rambold only got a month in
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prison. what went through your mind when you heard his sentence? >> i was horrified. horrified. there were no words so i had to leave. >> left the courtroom. i want to know what shocked us was the judge defended his sentence saying that your daughter seemed, in his words, older than her chronological age and was in as much of control of the situation of the teacher. and we just received new words from the judge explaining those remarks. would you listen to this for just a moment if you would. >> and then the rambold sentencing i made references to the victim's age and control. i'm not sure just what i was attempting to say at that point but it didn't come out correct. what i said was demeaning to all
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women, not what i believe in. and irrelevant to the sentencing. i owe all of our fellow citizens an aapology. >> an apology there. what is your reaction when you hear that? the crime was done. he confessed and chronological age is irrelevant. he broke the law. he confessed, and he got to walk away. >> yeah. so ma'am, i don't want this to be too painful for you, so i just want to be gentle here. i'd like to know how did you learn that your daughter had been raped by this man? had you even heard of him
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before? had she spoken about him to you? >> not really. i seen his phone number in her numbers because i used to keep track of her numbers all the time because she was a teenager, and i needed to know, but i just thought it was a girl. his name was stacy. i thought it was a girl. i found out from a church mem r member, and pressed charges. >> and then what happened? >> he was put on paid leave. she kept going to school. she was miserable, but she went back until finally she couldn't go back any more. she was smart, she tried hard to stay in school, and it just took
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too long, it took too much out of her. >> ma'am, it sounds creepy but you get the sense rambolt sought out your daughter and lured her into a relationship? >> yeah, i believe so. she was an easy target for him, i think. >> all right. again, ma'am, our heart breaks for you. we are grateful for your time, and appreciate -- >> thank you. >> -- what you're going through. again, aliah hamlin, thank you for being with us. eight years after katrina and the heart break is not ending in new orleans. this is for you.
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our sixth story out front, devastation and heart break in new orleans, eight years after katrina. on august 29th, 2005, hurricane katrina forever changed the crescent city when it made landfall and left hundreds dead and more than 200,000 homes damaged. many returned and rebuilt but still, eight years later, some residents are in a fight for their homes. rosa flores is out front with
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this story. ♪ ♪ they celebrated when they finished repairing their home after it was destroyed by hurricane katrina. >> you had to do what you had to do. >> yeah, it was survival. >> reporter: they look forward to sewing these suites in a their family home, a tradition for four generations among the black mardi gras indian tripe. >> this actually was. >> the living room. >> the living room area. >> reporter: but today they are without their historic home again, lost not to a hurricane but foreclosure. >> after losing your home during katrina, you weren't expecting something like this to happen again. >> you could digest tragedy from mother nature, i can personally but when you have this kind of storm to take place, i can't digest that. >> reporter: their troubles began when their son became very ill while they were rebuilding
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after another hurricane. fearful of falling behind on their mortgage, they asked their bank to renegeuate their loan. >> notice date is july 11th, 2009, we're pleaseed to let you know your loan modification has been approved. >> reporter: yet each month bank of america kept billing them the higher amount from the old mortgage. adolph sarina kept paying on time as bank reps said it was a mistake. did you make all of the payments? >> made all of the payments on time. >> reporter: a year later they forclosed anyway taking the home where adolph serina grew up and his son was born. the bank sold off the home for $48,000, less than half of what they owed. >> these are some of the files of people that we've helped over the years since katrina. >> reporter: james perry leads an organization that fights foreclosures. >> so proud of what they
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accomplished because they worked so hard to get there, and it didn't matter how many hurricanes came, it didn't matter what happened, they rebuilt because they were there to stay. >> reporter: bank of america says we apologize to the sarina's for the have end that clearly shouldn't have happened the way they did. while we did not provide the service they expect expected from us, we're confident this is a unique case. the federal government accused 13 banks including bank of america with unsound foreclosure pa practices in 2009 and 2010. they admitted no wrongdoing but pate $3.6 billion. the sarina's cut, $2,000. bank of america said it's working with them to find a fairway to compensate them for their loss, but the family says that they have no agreement with the bank as of yet considering the loss to their home and to their credit rating. we will, of course, follow up and see what happens.
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jessica? >> rosa, thank you. and thanks so much for watching. we'll see you again tomorrow night, "ac 360" starts right now. jessica, thanks very much. good evening everyone. breaking news, president obama says there is no doubt chemical weapons were use in syria or the syria regime used them. the question now what is he going to do about it? we'll take a hard look at the tough choices. also tonight, they have run from our cameras. america's worst raising millions, tens of millions they say for dying children but spending next to nothing on them. now finally they are talking their claim and how it adds up. we're keeping them honest. president obama stands where dr. king was centuries ago. we're going to speak to maya angelu joins me for an emotional insparing
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