hello, i'm don lemon. new warnings of possible terror threats inside the u.s., including cyber attacks on americans. the syria crisis has prompted u.s. officials to beef up security and focus on investigations related to syria and the region. we'll bring you more details on the possible terror threats in a few minutes here on cnn. saudi arabia backing a possible u.s. military strike in syria. saudi arabia's foreign minister says syria's regime has crossed all lines and we'll talk to experts about saudi arabia's role in the debate. plus this, secretary of state john kerry revealing new evidence on syria's alleged chemical weapons attack. >> it has tested possible for

signatures of sarin. each day that goes by, this case is even stronger. >> we are going to break down with signatures of sarin mean straight ahead. ahead of possible u.s. military strikes in syria, the fbi and homeland security are warning of an increased risk of cyber attacks on americans, disrupting by hackers known as the syrian electronic army have been taking place for months. even bringing down the website of the "new york times" last week. cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes joins me. what does syria gain using the internet as a weapon? >> they gained power. if the u.s. is going to threaten them from their perspective, they can threaten us back with cyber attacks. a group like that, this is your stereotypic tieotypical asymmet.

they could bring down the mighty u.s. with enough capable hackers. >> we hear about this a lot, possible cyber attacks. and then it never really happens. >> shutting down "the new york times" is a good example of it. i think the other thing besides just looking at the capability of this group and whether they're qualified or can do it, other countries could get behind them and use this as an excuse to test our systems, to test our vulnerability. even in the name of the syrian electronic army, you could have iran or you could have russia, could you have some of their allies get behind this effort just to get a test to how capable is the u.s. in defending itself against cyber attack? >> i know "the new york times" and it happened to other companies, but you never hear about the sort of nationwide

threat and the way many people talk about it like opening up dams and that sort of thing. it's always a threat, but it never happens, that's what i'm saying. >> i think they do happen to a certain extent that we don't know about. there's a lot of effort we don't know about. not just a connection with this incident or this problem, but the attempts at cyber warfare between many countries and many cyber groups is always ongoing, actually. >> okay. how is the u.s. security likely handling these terror threats? >> i think they are trying to look at, obviously the conventional terror threats of whether somebody would do any type of a bombing type attack or attack on our aviation or other infrastructure, as well as these cyber threats. i think the difference is that in a way it's harder to really know where the cyber threat might come from and who's helping in the effort to use

computer networks, cyber networks to get at us to attack us. >> i just want your response. it's an obvious question. we've been asking, everyone says why red line when it comes to chemical weapons? why just chemical weapons when hundreds of thousands of people died by other means? >> that's a great point. we are telling the country blow your people up, we don't care, chop their heads off, we don't care, burn them, stab them, whatever, we don't care. use chemical weapon, now we care. the problem is if we launch missiles, if we initiate some form of attack at this point, you're giving the countries, other countries elied with syria, an excuse to help them to attack us with cyber weapons or with other technology that normally might not have come to play in this. secondly, if they say you're right, we are not going to use chemical weapons we'll go back to blowing them up, stabbing them, burning them, that's okay, right? you have no problem with that

before, is that right? >> always appreciate your perspective, tom fuentes. thank you. >> thank you. two powerful republican senators will discuss syria with president obama tomorrow at the white house. senators john mccain and lindsey graham. mccain has a big question. he wants to know whether he has a plan to take out syria's regime. >> i want to talk to the president. i want to find out whether there is a plan and a strategy. i want to find out whether this is just a pin prick that somehow bashir assad can trumpet he defeated the united states of america. i will say that if congress overrules a decision of the president of the united states on an issue of national security that, could set a catastrophic precedent in the future. it would be very dangerous precedent to be set. >> mccain has much more strong u.s. military action in syria.

>> members congress got a look at intelligence on syria from white house, pentagon and state department officials. our chief congressional correspondent dana bash standing by on capitol hill. dana, did law makers have anything to say about the legislation the president sent to the hill? >> reporter: they had a lot to say. first of all, the bottom line is that it's not going to stay as-is. they believe many of them in both part why is it is simply too broad, that it doesn't do what the president says he wants, which is a narrow scope. it allows him to broaden this mission if he wants to in a way that many are not comfortable with. listen to one of the president's closest allies said about this. >> i don't think anybody is interested writing blank checks or a partial blank check. this is a partial blank check the way it's currently drafted. because it doesn't have those limitations that i mentioned. >> reporter: bottom line is that the authorization language, the

actual legislation they will vote on is for sure going to be changed. some things are putting a time certain, a date on it to be sure it's limited in time. also making clear there will be no boots on the ground in any way, shape or form. more broadly, don, we heard from so many law makers coming out of here that they're not sold at all. just the opposite. i want to have you listen to what one democrat, natural ally of the president from connecticut said about how he felt this briefing went. >> it is certainly a consideration. i think in that room today there was a lot of memories over another time when a president came and said or at least the president's people came and said this was a slam-dunk intelligence. that was not an episode most members would ever want to repeat. i do think most members of thinking more about the merits of the proposal than the political consequences of the president. >> how would you vote today? >> today on this current resolution, i would note no. >> reporter: to be fair, we did

hear some yeses. sandra levin from michigan said he would support this. elli elliot engel. the white house has a lot of heavy lifting to get this passed. he said there is no politics, but inside this briefing of the administration, officials made clear they felt it would look bad for the president if congress doesn't give him authorization since he already said he wants to go ahead with these strikes. >> dana, there's always politics. >> i know, shocking. >> you've been working 24 hours, but not yet. we are on the air for some time and we'll need you. we'll see you in a little bit. >> thanks, don. i'll bring in david gergen. you advised four different presidents. you heard what dana bash said about the president there and whether or not it makes him look weak. talk to us about that and what is going on behind the scenes right now? >> well, he does have an uphill

fight in the congress. i think he'll eventually win it. it's important to remember that since world war i, presidents have gone to capitol hill on 18 occasions to ask for congressional backing for the use of force and they've won every single time. 18-18. just the john mccain argument you had on the air, as much as i des grows with what the president would like to do, woe like a more expansive attack in the air fields and the like. john mccain also said we can't come to the day where congress strips the president of his commander in chief authority. i think a lot of members will come around to that. second thing is this. the way this is shaping up right now, i will tell you, the president doesn't have the congress nor public opinion, and there are going to be a growing number of people who will put pressure on him. you've got to sell the country in order to sell the congress. they're going to push him to go out and make the case. i think we are going to see more of the president on primetime before this fight is over

because he does need to move the needle and public opinion to have a better shot. i think he'll get it, but it's going to be, he's got a lot of work to do. >> you said get the shot. do you think he will get approval? >> i think it's likely he'll get approval. members of his own party at the end of the day, they have to realize that to defeat him on this would humiliate and could cripple him as commander in chief. there will be a lot of democrats like nancy pelosi who want to vote for him. the republicans who believe in the substance of it. they would like to be much tougher. there are obvious splits, but i think he'll get it. i do think though there is this question that has come up because of the way this has been done. this sort of sense, we all heard the hoof beats last week. you and i assume we are probably going to be at war right now or firing missiles by now. then to have this sort of about-face suddenly unexpectedly

has given increased sense that this administration is sort of winging it as it goes. maybe he doesn't have a firm handle on the wheel. i think the president has to be also, along with john kerry who did well today on television, they have to be clear, decisive, clean in their arguments in order to get this done. to give us a real sense we know what we are doing. we know what the consequences of this may be. we have them in hand we thought about this. this well thought through. they haven't convinced people of that yet. >> let's talk about the optics. the president and vice president joe biden went golfing right after that rose garden statement yesterday. what do you make of that? >> i shook my head. it's like elementary. you're about to put american fighters in harm's way again. this is really serious, one of the most serious moments of your presidency. i know you need the exercise, mr. president, but that's not exactly the best time to go out

and hit the golf links. >> david gergen. thank you, sir. >> always great to talk to you. thank you. >> you as well. as we just mentioned, the president had some strong words for the syrian regime. after his rose garden speech, leaders in the region are calling him weak, hesitant and confused. did this call to action help or hurt the u.s. on syria?

the president's decision to

get congress involved has opened the floodgates for washington political debate over syria. let's talk about it with our regular sunday analysts, l.z. and roman. friday night he says he is going to wait and let congress debate it and vote on it. saxby chambliss says that's not leadership. >> in a time of crisis, presidents make tough, hard decisions and they lead. there is weakness here on the part of the president. it's not been a good week for him. he made this decision to come to congress. it's going to be a very, very tough debate. >> so l.z. granderson, syria is

calling the president confused. is this leadership or weakness? >> it's leadership and this is why. we have learned over the last 12, 13 years of war that what you don't want to do is rush into war. i think it's a little bit sad to me a congressman would suggest going to congress and having a debate and thorough discussion before you go onto war as a sign of weakness. to me, he's playing politics. instead of looking at this as victory or defeat, we need to decide whether this is the right thing for the country to do. >> anna navarro? >> you know, in the midst of almost going to war the last thing i want to do is come on tv and call him hesitant and say he's vacillated, but it's hard not to say that. take a look at the international reaction here. whether it's from our allies in the middle east. the syrian rebels who today are demoralized. take a look at the syrian government which is relishing

and saying, a historical retreat by the united states of america. our allies in the middle east are aghast by this, whether it's turkey or saudi arabia. of course it looks like vacillation. you can't say on one day and send out your secretary of state to speak so strongly and then change courses. we are not sailing here. this is a very big decision. i don't think the optics have been the best for president obama this week. >> there are some who say, anna, that republicans may have been setting the president up by saying he is weak if he doesn't go. then if he does go without congress, then they are setting him up for possible impeachment or more criticism. what do you say to that? >> i say, you know, really it's irrelevant. he's the commander in chief.

with that position comes the authority to be able to take decisions unilaterally. he, himself, has told us he has the authority to act and he has told us he will act. so why delay it? it doesn't matter what one congressmen or two congressmen or five, 10 or 11 are saying. if he listened to congressmen who are nay-sayers on one thing or the other every day, even less than what already gets done would be getting done. he's commander in chief, not commander by committee. >> l.z., there are always haters. >> of course this will always be haters. what you see right now are a lot of people second guessing him because of the game, the political game you're talking about. i can't get past this notion of having a thorough debate as being seen as weak or being seen as a lack of leadership. in my opinion, and what we witnessed through history, it is the rush to war that is proven to be the lack of leadership. once we get in there, we didn't have an escape route or a

thorough plan. what they are doing in michigan right now is intelligent. i hope all the congressmen do that before they return to d.c. that is he is asking the questions, not just to the president, but going back and actually holding meetings amongst his own constituents so we have a thorough debate across the country we all agree what we discovered thus far that happened to syria cannot be stood for. what we can agree upon is the course of action. having a discussion about this is not weakness, it's intelligence. >> anna mentioned this week has been a bad week for optics for the president. should he have gone golfing yesterday? >> of course not. i don't know who the brother's pr representative is, but he needs a new one. you do not go on national television, talk about war, talk about hundreds if not over 1,000 people dying including children and then go golfing. i don't care who is on vacation. in that moment, if you need to relax, you do that behind closed

doors. you do not let the public know you're going golfing. that was a huge misstep. >> do you agree, anna? >> on this, absolute agree. only thing left was there to be a bumper sticker on the presidential limo that said "i'd rather be fishing." you want to play golf, play electronic golf on the wii inside. i think it's a very serious decision. toughest decision a president has to make in his presidency. this just looks bad. i think when we are looking at acts of war, looking at crises of this natural, you should almost apply the same standard you would as if you were in campaign mode. i bet you were he in campaign mode, he would not have gone golfing yesterday. is it a big deal? no. little things do matter and i think optics matter. >> it is a big deal, in my opinion. only in the sense that you're having a difficult time already convincing the american people that this is something we should

be involved with and then you go golfing after trying to make this convincing argument. it does matter. it makes the argument seem less convincing. it reminds me of "w" when he talked about the horrors of react and said, watch this drive. we raked him across the coals for that. criticism is equally fair for obama. >> l.z., i agree with you. i think the bigger issue is the fact that he talked about this red line two years ago. since then, 100,000 syrians have died. the assad government has used chemical weapons twice. the moral line on this was crossed many, many months ago. >> months ago. all right. more after the break. [ male announcer ] a guide to good dipping. little carrot. little bit of hummus. lonely wing... well we have got the perfect match for you. of course you can't beat the classics. delish... sabra hummus. dip life to the fullest.

we are talking about syria with our regular sunday

analysts, anna navarro republican strategist and l.z. granderson. john mccain wants action in syria but says the president must have a larger plan and invited mccain to meet with him tomorrow. >> we need to have a strategy and a plan, and that plan in our view, the best way to eliminate the threat of bashir assad's continual use of chemical weapons would be the threat of his removal from power. >> so what is the objective here? should we go for a regime change? first to you, anna. >> i spoke to john mccain on my way over here. let's remember that mccain has been involved in this now for

years. he was in syria. he visited with the syrian rebels. he has been as involved in this issue as you can be in the senate, probably the lead on this in the senate. i think he feels, i don't speak for him, but i think he feels like many people do that we lost precious time and momentum. let's just remember a few months ago, last year, the syrian rebels were in a position where they looked like they were close to winning. they looked like they were close to making a real difference. since then, chemical weapons have been used, more lives have been lost and we lost that momentum. so certainly john mccain is frustrated because we -- he realizes how it affects the standing of the united states around the world. he realizes that people like ahmadinejad in iran are watching. it's worrisome that folks who care about the standing of the united states around the world

and also about having, doing something that has a real effect. not just a cosmetic effect, not a little punishment, not a slap in the wrist to your kid, but something that will change what is happening in syria today. >> you should have gotten john mccain to come along with you. we have a lot of great question for him. next time do that for us. she does have a point. what is that limited involvement? what does that mean? should we be going for regime change here? that appears to be the only thing that might make a difference in syria. >> let's look at our record in this country in terms of putting in people. i don't think it's that stellar. i think we all appreciate john mccain, but we know when he came back from syria, he had pictures. we wondered if he was pictured with kidnappers. why? it's difficult, even still after all this time to figure out who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, quote/unquote. this is a very murky situation. while i think on the outside

looking in it seems like they're wrong, let's go in and change good night and put in someone like us and move on, the fact of the matter is we don't know the people we put in place are going to be people who support our thoughts and our beliefs. the real problem to me is the fact that there's too much emphasis on the u.s. and not enough on the u.n. the laws that are being broken are the laws the u.n. put in place when it was established in 1945. we need to be talking about why the other allies, especially the permanent members of the u.n. are so hesitant or even resistant to addressing this in a more forceful way. >> if you watched the president's address yesterday, he all but said the u.n., in so many words, that's way said. >> if the u.n. is that, stop talking about this being a "war crime" which were laws based upon the u.n. >> anna, the last word. >> the u.n. is nothing but an old mangy dog with no teeth. remember russia is in the

security council of the u.n. and has veto power. we have seen russia thumb its nose over and over again at the united states. russia is one of the key allies for syria. we've got a problem at the u.n. it's not the u.n. it used to be this. this is not your granddaddy's u.n. >> an old mangy dog with no teeth. why i never. thank you, anna navarro. you have a way of words. >> that cost a lot of money, by the way. >> thanks, anna, thank you, l.z. coming up, nick peyton walsh has been to syria many times, even caught in the cross fire between the rebels and syrian forces. he'll join me next.

we heard it from senator john mccain today and guests on our show.

president obama's failure to remove bashir assad from power. nick was embedded with the rebel forces august 2012. >> that is correct. it's incredibly complex. at this moment in time, even after all this, there is simply nobody ready to replace bashir assad. a regime change is incredibly elastic here. talking about a rebel movement when what is there a year ago were possibly palatable to the west and had ideals which may have been compatible with what we as a country or ideology might like them to be. since then, they've gone increasingly radical. they are islamist and the people who originally we may have hoped would come to power have been increasingly marginalized. let's look at some of the time i spent with some of those soldiers a year ago.

the new dead lie dead next to the old. thousands of years in the making, this city is crumbling fast. forces push into vital terrain and fight the capital towards a key place station. they mass in numbers and surge forward. chaos, but also bravery. they move to retrieve an injured rebel at the very front. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> somehow the soupor regime fire power lets them escape. when we rejoin them a few days later, they have fallen back the hundred feet they've gained. civilians in uniform are taking pot shots at nothing in particular. goading their enemy with revolutionary song, even offer ing a number to call, but they can't advance again. it's not just the rej eem's bomber jets that hold them back. up on the roof we see how snipers, deadly accurate here, can freeze the front line.

in this historic part of the city, the rebels are trying to inch forward but so often pushed back by government forces. in this case held back by a government sniper positioned in the buildings opposite us. even from the rebel sniper positions, the regime is close but well dug in. a sniper is shooting at them and moves across the road to take aim. his discipline and marksmanship is the xeps. he thinks he got him. it's the older men here in charge. this man tells me his brigade was given up from outside help from the west. "if is our final word," he says.

we don't want any help from anybody. we are no longer waiting or have the means to topple the regime. he outline as plan. shortly after, this appears. one rebel tells us they plan to fill it with explosives then tie a prisoner's hands to the wheel and force him to die driving the bus bomb at the regime, but even though we saw the brigade take prisoners earlier, that doesn't happen here and the bus leaves. a garbage truck arrives instead which they plan to place down the street as cover for their gunmen. preparations for an operation. hand-made grenades, bombs, highly volatile canisters full of fertilizer explosive. the men still lack focus. shooting in the dark. later that night we leave but they drive the truck down the street.

at dawn, it's in place. overnight they tried to gain the advantage moving that truck about 100 feet down the street past their last position. still these men who have been unable to advance over this incredibly small amount of terrain. the regime fires grenades, setting it elite. the rebels decide to fight back. this is an anti-aircraft gun. they seem to prefer noise to accuracy. they run forwards to fire rocket-propelled grenades. that's too much smoke. more a game here than a fight to the death. but this is a city of millions torn apart by every pitched battle every hundred feet. >> goodness. my question after watching that,

obviously we see it happen. is that an accurate portrayal of daily life in syria? is it like that all the time? >> certainly that's the condensed parts of a battle we saw happening over almost weeks in some ways for a particular street. but it does capture, i think, the major problem people face with the syrian rebels in the group you saw there in many ways, ragtag, very undisciplined, some as young as 16, totally unaware of what they are doing. they are the guys either being marginalized by the extremists and radicals, many who have experience fighting in iraq to continue what they see as a global jihad for the islamic state they want to create, all dead or simply joined islamists themselves. >> can we talk about al qaeda here? a number of people have been saying al qaeda gaining ground in syria. if bashir al assad is removed from power, will that give al

qaeda a bigger opportunity to come in and gain more of a foot hold? >> very few people now doubt the efficient and organized effective military force in the rebel ranks are the islamists. depends how you define that. there is the hardcore al qaeda types, the slightly more moderate islamists. broadly they don't represent an ideology we would wake up and go, great. there is unlikely you hear a popping noise in the bar irish assad regime and the millions of people he is protecting from the sect on the rebel side they would suddenly disappear and flee overnight. the dangers is many said if you hit too hard, you open a window for the wrong type of rebel to seize ground. >> don't go anywhere. much more to come with nick paton walsh. death is a part of war, it is tough to witness. nick will talk more about his experience in syria.

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the human toll from the war in syria is horrific. latest figures put the number of people killed at more than 100,000. no one knows for sure. joining me now again is nick paton walsh. you saw people and children get caught in the cross fire. >> one of the most terrifying things about this war is that the most affected are children. there are a million child refugees out of the 2 plus million people displaced. more than half of that is children. there are 6,000 estimated who are children, which in a war is

remarkable. the combatants on the front line are normally adults. here is the story of a young girl whose last moments we caught. on the streets, a truck races through traffic. we follow them because we've seen a man leap inside carrying a limp little girl in his arms, but perhaps because our car is new, he now rushes towards us for help. grena is 4. "go to the hospital," he says. "guys, she's choking." she was on the balcony at home when a bullet struck from no where he explains. she is struggling to breathe. a bullet has hit her cheek. at the hospital, the doctors move to clear her airway.

they think she'll live, but this underequipped rebel hospital can't treat her fully. so they make a tough decision to send her across the front lines to a better-equipped government hospital where we can't go. this is where the bullet entered her home. across the street is a cemetery and tall buildings all inside rebel territory, but snipers work everywhere. this war left no one safe. the grandmother saw it all. "she was in her mother's lap when it entered here. we saw blood, she grimaced, screamed for mother and went silent." the bullet was likely fired from

the other side of the cemetery. it is an example of what many say is the horror visited upon normal civilians every day. the children know what happened. they find a knocked-out tooth, but not the bullet that hit rena. they go to visit her believing the worst is behind them. it is hard to understand why a sniper would fire onto a residential home unless to terrify civilians in rebel areas. the next morning we learn she was taken to two government hospitals. none of the doctors were able to remove the bullet, relatives tell us which was stuck in her throat. rena died. her body brought home and buried in the cemetery that sat between where the gunman probably fired from and her home. >> goodness. more after this.

joining me again is nick paton walsh. we saw the 4-year-old girl die, shot in the face. how do civilians -- what do civilians want to happen? do they have any sort of recourse in all of this or are they just sort of hostage to the fighting all around them? >> well the area we were in where you saw that piece is now

most likely, i would have to go back there to check, were most likely caught between islamists and what little is left of the moderate rebels and in the regime now scrapping it out much more brutally. some people stayed, but the reason there is a huge refugee problem is people are fleeing in huge numbers. you saw, obviously, there literally caught in the cross fire. the big impact across the whole region with these millions of people had to uproot and go somewhere else. >> do you think that assad is just biding his time now, especially since we have said it's going to be at least ten days before there's any decision? is that a possibility? >> it's already overstretched. depending on who you believe, they are stretched to almost breaking points in some areas. they had to start using shiia men to the regime in syrian society. had to train them up, often with help from outside nations to get

them ready as a defense force because the military is stretched thin. they brought in hezbollah to back them up. they are not in good condition before. >> i probably phrased that wrong. do you think they are moving any stock piles of chemical weapons or before the u.s. troops get there, they are using this time to do that, possibly? >> it's possible. that would be the normal precaution would you expect. u.s. officials are being very careful monitoring key points of that country for a long time. at this moment they will be looking to see what's been important to them and what they moved it to. israelis have been doing two, possibly three bombing raids with impunity on what seems to be reasonable accurate targets the last six months. >> it's surprising to many that there hasn't been, not just to u.s. but united coalition that haven't gone in to syria already with all the evidence we have. >> nobody wants it.

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we'll have much more on our continuing coverage in syria. first a look at other headlines today. muhammed morsi has been ordered to stand trial for inciting murder. charges accept from deadly clashes near the presidential palace last year. he was ousted by the military and has been held in detention since early july. sad news to report to you. famed british broadcaster david frost has died. the bbc published a statement frost died of a heart attack aboard the cruise ship "queen elizabeth." he was a fixture on american and british television but was perhaps best known for his revealing interviews with president richard nixon. david frost was 74 years old. nelson mandela was released from the hospital today after nearly three months of treatment. the doctors say he can get the same level of intensive care at his home.

mandela was hospitalized on june 8th with a lung infection. his history of lung and respiratory infections dates from his 27-year imprison moment for fighting against apartheid. we are delving deeply into syria and what happens next. that's in our next hour. we'll talk about what the military is thinking about doing with the ships that are already off the coast of syria right after this. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i'm darr on rollback: you save $20. and this huffy cranbrook cruiser. on rollback: you save over $9! get more for your money at walmart's super savings event.