dempsey testify. i'll be back later tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern filling in for piers morgan live. we have a lots of may jeer guests including the republican senator and ranking member of the foreign relation's committee holding the hearing tomorrow. you can follow us on twitter. follow me @wolf blitzer. erin burnetts starts right knew. the breaking news on the crisis in syria. president obama says he wants to upgrade the opposition. does that mean arming al qaeda? and then within an amazing feat that proves your never too old to chase your dreams. what one 64-year-old woman did today that defies belief. and it has an innocent-sounding woman's name but it far from that. what is molly and why is it so deadly? a special record. let's go "outfront."

good 50e6g good evening, everyone. is america going to ward. president obama met with two key republican senators who want military strikes and regime change in syria. john mccain and lindsey graham. the senators say they prefer a more significant military effort but they understand whether the president is coming from. >> it is my hope that even a limited military strike can degrade assad's ability to reject force particularly using chemical weapons but there seems to be emerging from this administration a pretty solid plan to upgrade the opposition. >> solid plan to upgrade the opposition. is that really an america's national interest? we have the assistant to the secretary of defense for public affairs and joins us tonight and george, obviously we know there are al qaeda elements fighting among the rebels in syria. that's been a big part of the problem. how do you pull one group out from another group? how can the united states be

sure that it's not helping the extremists if the united states as senator graham said, quote/unquote upgrades the opposition. >> thanks for having me on. it's imperative of the united states to engage in strong diplomatic efforts with the syrian opposition. to talk to them on a regular basis and that's been a big push, especially by our state department and they've done a terrific job. we need to identify moderate opposition groupsing that come together and become more cohesive and oppose the regime of bashar al assad. we're not blind to the fact that there's not trifs elements in sear yoo but we believe at the end of the day the syrian people will reject the extremics and adopt a process that gets them to a new political landscape in their country that does not involve bashar al assad. >> john kerry and hague rl seag

expected to appear. are they going to hit on the issue that in have questioned which is, is there proof of who used the chemical weapons and when they were used? will we learn more tomorrow? >> i think what you'll hear from secretary hagel is say strong endorsement of the view that chemical weapons used in syria and elsewhere, for that matter, violates basic standards of human dignity. and also, it's in our national interest to prevent their use. think about the precedent this could set not just in syria but for iran and hezbollah and north korea and for others. we're deeply concerned about the precedent that if we don't act others may believe they might be able to use chemical weapons against their own innocent populations in the future. >> when you say yooimpb deeply concerned about the precedent it's clear where you stand on that front. what if congress now that the president has given them this opportunity to vote, what if

they vote "no." in that case it would sound like what you're saying is he should still go ahead with strikes. he says he has the right to do without their approval he's just being polite to ask for it but if they vote no he needs to go ahead with it or else he sets the wrong precedent for iran and others. >> with respect, i take issue with some of your question. this is not -- this is constructive engagement of the congress. this is not a mere fig leaf process. we're working closely with them. as secretary kerry said he thinks congress will pass the authorization to use force and congress will do the right thing. >> robert gibbs, the former press second fair said it will be very, very difficult for the president to get the votes so i guess the question i'm asking you if he doesn't get the votes -- i know that's not the scenario you want if he doesn't get it will he still streike? >> it were that'sy we're engaged and i think it would be a little bit of a hypothetical right now

to discuss what happens if congress should vote "no." but we believe that congress will do the right thing. >> that's george little, appreciate your time. i'm bring in republican congressman peter king. he's on the house intelligence committee. you heard george little and the risk that congress could vote "no." he says it's a hypothetical. do you agree? or is there a real danger congress could vote "no?" >> thanks for having me on. i think the president made a terrible mistake in going to congress. he has the absolute power to launch this attack if he wants to. if it's that serious he should have done it. i'll vote for it. i'm not trying to duck a vote but i think he's put himself in a position that right now if the vote were today it would be very difficult to get a majority. i don't know what will happen next week or the week after but i think it will be difficult. i think the president constitutionally will have the right to go in after he gets the vote, like president coastline

in kosovo, they were defeated in the house but he still attacked so it can be done. it weakens the president's stature and it makes him look vacillating and weak. >> and you just said. you don't think he needed to ask for approval but now he's done it. let's say the vote is "no." should he then go against what congress said and still strike? or should he do what congress says, which is not strike? which makes him look better? >> i think he should do it. i think he should go ahead and strike. it can't be one day or two days of tomahawk missiles. there has to be a purpose to this and to me the purpose should be to really diminish syria's capacity to use chemical weapons to carry out war. and not just to knock out -- to weaken their position so they have to enter into negotiations with the rebels. i am concerned that there's a strong al qaeda element within the rebels but if we bring about the negotiations that would give

us a much stronger hand at the talks to bring about a government which would not be assad and not be an al qaeda affiliate. >> but to you it's worth the risk at this point that arms anticipation help whatever it might be might get in the hands of al qaeda. what george little was saying. we used to aid the taliban and look what happened in libya and north africa. this happenings again and again. is it a risk we have to take? >> i take it this far. i want negotiations to start. if we bring about the negotiations that gives us a much stronger hand at the talks to diminish the position of the al qaeda affiliates but i'm not confident that we can keep weapons out of their hands but i believe but us playing a major role in get ing the talks going, we'll have much more control over the al qaeda elements in the rebel forces. >> congressman king, obviously online either well aware in your position on homeland security that the united statess that

already tightened up domestic security me jairs ahead of this possible strike. what i didn't understand if there's going to be a vote why wait until next week? now it looks like they're going to be talking about it next monday. you could have a vote on september 11th, obviously a terrible anniversary for this country. how concerned are you for america's homeland security. >> anything that can be done will be done but we have to be concerned. i agree. i think the vote if it's that serious if the president wants to launch the attack he should have brought congress back, brought us back into special session over the weekend, done it last week. he didn't so, no, i am concerned but no need to panic but again, if we're talking about hezbollah or any of those affiliates we have to be very concerned. >> thank you for joining us, congressman king and thanks for joining us on labor day. >> thank you. an manner music festival cut short after partygoers end umm dead. the hot drug molly is to blame. and she's been trying to

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after a 103 mile swim from cuba to particular. the 64-year-old swimmer says she's dimed for decades about making the trip through those shark-infested waters. >> we should never ever give up. year never too old to chase your dream. >> it took her 53 hours and did it without flippers or a wet suit. she's the first person to do it without a cage. the cage obviously is what most people do to protect themselves from sharks. she was fearless. dr. sanjay gupta followed her. when she failed she didn't give up. she came back and did it again. this time, the magic type, how come? >> well, some of it is just pure grit and determination. you can ski thee that on her fa she gets out of the water pumping her firsts in the air. a lot of things that have to go perfectly well. the condition of the water were more flat than normal.

the water temperature was good. in major storms in the area. in the past, jellyfish would sting her and besides being so painful on her face, it would impede her ability to breathe well on her own when she was trying to do the swim so that's what stopped her a couple of times in the past. but look, things just went well for her. she was swimming at one point, i heard, 5 miles an hour, to give you an idea. she's 64 years old. and she swam for 53 hours! my mom has been calling me and my kids are calling me. she inspires everybody. >> that's incredible when you say that and how you give sort of a sense of why the jellyfish would be so problematic. it affected her breathing. we talk about the danger of jellyfish and how she went wrout a shark cage which is incredible. what other kind of tolls would this take on her body? >> the best way that i sort of heard it explained was that she essentially is unable to keep up with the amount of nutrition and

hydration she would need no matter what she does. she's not allowed to stop or touch anything so she's given a line to drink fluids every now and then. food can be scooped into her mouth but even with that it almost impossible to get enough hydration and nutrition. one doctor explained it that she essentially digests her own body to get through the swim so it's a race against her own body. she loses tons of weight in that 53-hour time period and sheer ditly exhausted when she gets out. >> and sanjay will be back and home talk to diana nyad which will be amazing to see that. is sanjay will be along and tonight at 11:00, dr. sanjay gupta has a special show "extreme dream come true" at 11:00 p.m. eastern and the interview coming up in a few moments right heerp "outfront."

searching for kyron. it's been over three years since the 7-year-old disappeared outside his portland, oregon elementary school. this weekend with the help of 100 volunteerses wi his mom speo days searching for her son. >> i had great people dedicated for the mission to find kyron and we had great people help thus weekend. i will forever be grateful that they came to help me and i know that if kyron was here, he would say thank you very much. >> that mom not giving up hope. this is a story we've been following closely on the show and we've spoken to kyron's dad as well. he's not given up hope. tonight stephanie is outfront with the latest. in the search what did they find? >> that's the thing about this, erin. young said all along, they did

find things that could be clues and possible evidence but she wasn't letting us know exactly what they found at this time. we talked to the sheriff's department and they tell us that they do no that there was a search. they did not participate in it but a spokesman said that the search party did turn over a few items to the department. what they plan to do now is process those items to determine if they are actually related to kyron's disappearance here, erin. >> stephanie, obviously, there's been so many questions about this. desiree and her father are divorced and he's remarried. that was a big part of the story. has a suspect ever been named in his disappearance? >> it's a very sort of twisted story here, erin but, no, there's never been a suspect named. young filed a lawsuit against ter terry horman demanding she disclose the whereabouts. she was married to cain, his fair. she was the last to see the boy when she dropped him off at

school. and it's important to note the father left terry after he was alerted by officials that terry tried y ed tied to hire someone him and he reportedly learned about the plan after kyron disappeared and subsequently he moved out of the house and took the couple's now 4-year-old daughter with him and he said he blooimpbs his estranged wife is involved in kyron's disappearance. a lot of finger-pointing but no one has been blamed for his disappearance or, perhaps, his murder. >> incredible. they're not giving up hope. thanks, stephanie. money and power, "fifty shades of grey" the movie, the book's author, dakota johnson, the daughter of melanie griffith and don johnson will play an steel. johnson has previously afeared in the film "the social network" and "21 jump street." and the billionaire playboy,

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sinkholes everywhere. they've sucked down people and even hotels but you're amazed to know that despite the risk there's no state requirement to test for a sinkhole before you build. you heard me right. you can go ahead and build a whole set of developments and never test. john is "outfront." the drill is down to about 55 feet. the geological team from geohazards inc. is looking for voids be enortheast the surface evidence of a possible sinkhole. the home ener, ed denning, noticed cracks in the walls of his home.

>> this is the first thing. i noticed the paint started to buckle on this side and this side of the wall. >> and beneath the floor time -- hollow spots. and inspection done by his insurance company said it was settling cracks, not a sinkhole. not good enough for denning. he hired geohazards. >> i wasn't satisfied at all because there were sinkholes popping up everywhere and in the case in tampa where the guy fell in the hole in his bedroom i was thinking i don't want that to happen to my family. >> reporter: peace of mind costs him about $6,000 out of his own pact. he might be might not be going through this if the ground was tested before the home was built. but while florida's regarded as the most sinkhole-prone state there's no requirement, that's right, no requirement for developers or builders to test before they put up a home. >> that's the ludicrousness of the situation. they will demand a insect termite inspection or a structural inspection of the house but nothingbility the

subsurface conditions. >> reporter: the florida home builders association past president told us that it comes down to two things. testing is isn't foolproof and it's expensive. quote, do you add five to $10,000 cost to each house when there's a very low percentage that a sinkhole could occur? ends quote. insurance, he added, covers the catastrophic events like the partial collapse of a timeshare near orlando. scientists say there's no more evidence of sinkholes and the state says the governor is studying whether the danger can be quantified. >> we're looking at the there's a way to assess what the risk is right reporter dave bierman represents sinkhole victim tools? you play the odds and some areas your odds are worse than in other areas of the state. but you still play the odds no matter what. >> reporter: and as florida's population grows and spreads out, the odds don't get any better. geohazards says its final report

on the home should be kblooimco by midweek but they say preliminary results do indicate evidence of sinkhole activity. erin? >> thanks, john. unbelievable that there's no requirement to test. out fronts next the drug users call at this time female name molly and it's showing up in pop culture references. police say eyesers are taking it with deadly dosages. >> and marines.com waeb got hacked by the syrian electronic army. what officials say the attackers were able to see. and is this man worth $132 million cash? a one-time payment? [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing.

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." good news tonight on caylee harding. she's the 12-year-old girl in arkansas who was infected with the rare brain eating ameba, we learned today that she's eating, drinking and talking and look at the picture of the 12-year-old girl. she's walking without assistance. this is a miracle because according to the centers for disease control there have been 12 8 known cases and only two other people have survived. the american college of emergency physician doctor says although they has months of he has been in front of her it's

truly a medical miracle. and the acid attack targeting two teenage girls. one victim speak out fort the first time. kirsy cold to the "subpoenaed times" she's frustrated the attackers haven't been found saying city is small and ever knows everyone but she also said and this is amazing, she would go ban to zanz bar to continue her volunteer working. this photo is one of the women. you can just see how unbelievably horrific this was. the acid hit her face, chest and hands. it's believed the other victim is still in the hospital tonight. look at this video. this is the washington, d.c. police boat crashing into two other vessels on the busy potomac river. it might want surprise you that no one was injured which is why we're showing you this. one boat sustained a wlooirch

gash and partially sank. we reached out to the washington, d.c. police department for a same and we've not yesterday heard back. cbs is back on time warner cable. for the past month of 3 million time warner cables have gone without cbs or showtime which has upset many that watch tv. today the two sides announce they struck a deal that programming will resume. the financial details were not disclosed but i think moffitt says the urgency was to get it done before the nfl season starts. >> and 758 days before we lost our top credit rating. verizon had no problem raising money and in debt, paying $130 billion to take full control of verizon wireless from its british partner. and now our fifth story "outfront." a group calling it the syrian electronic army is claimed

responsibility for a cyberattack on the marine recruiting website and it's a bold strike and said to be in response to the growing l threat of a u.s. military strooik. the brooir syrian group wrote we understand you're patriotism and love for your country so blees understand our love for ours. obama is a traitor what wants to put your lives in danger to rescue al qaeda insurgents. this group has gone after other u.s. companies in the past month, all obviously in defense of a syrian president al-assad. so another attack on an manneamn website what do we know? >> similar to the "new york times" and "washington post", it appears the reyooirnlt site itself, marines.com was not breached. the marine say no confidential or personal information was compromised but people continue access the information and they were redirected to another site. i spoke with the cybersecurity expert who has investigated the syrian electronic army and says the hackers could be doing much

more damage than they are right now. they're able to control what people see, where they go online but so far it seems twhooirn intention as you said, is to spread breep syrian information telling the u.s. to stay out as opposed to directing them or spreading malware which is more difficult to do but also, much more destructive. and keep in mind it appear this is particular group itself was hacked in april with someone gaining access to its information. syrian electronic army denies it but clearly any claims of responsibility against, whether it's "the new york times" is inconclusive because nobody knows. >> and interesting because you say they could do more damage than they've done. laermt has ramped open its evidents. we talked to congressman king about that earlier in the show. what are they doing? >> the fbi and department of homeland security began warning of a higher risk of cyberattacks and there's been half a dozen in the last month targeted at u.s. companies including the

"washington post".com, financial times and even here at cnn. looking at cases underway and those that bear a second look and they call this rescrubbing leads and information both on physical cases and cybercases that have some type of syrian connection. for example, it might be an ongoing terrorism of financing investigation. don't forget they're likely looking at surrogates. iran, hezbollah, the u.s. and elsewhere, a former cia agent said the syrians aren't good at terrorism but the people that support them are and a strike by the u.s. could be seen as an attack. >> any new 'intelligence about as well joins attacks? all this chatter that preceded that. are they hearing that now? >> exactly. what we're hearing is a lot of political cyberrattling about what could happen. three people in the intelligence community say no new chatter. nothing on the radar which is out of the ordinary but again, threat, counterthreat, threat,

counterthreat so you never know which direction it's coming from so no new chatter. that's the good thing, i guess. and now our sixth story "outfront." an electronic music festival cut short after two partygoers died using a drug apparently called molly. like the woman's name. but it is a powdered form of ecstasy. the drug has been around for decades but with the new fwhiem molly it has become a hot new party drug and even performers kwlooimpk kanye west and miley cyrus have mentioned it in their songs. >> talking about get off the molly. >> put molly in the champagne. i took her home and i enjoyed that. >> the word "molly" was even bleeped during miley cyrus's vma

performance last week. dr. howard samuels, founder of the treatment center and good to have you was. let we ask you this. this drug has been around for a long time but emergency room visits related to the drug molly have surged in recent years. why? >> well, first of all, molly is the pure form of mdma. ecstasy is been cut with caffeine, with speed, so we've gone to another level in the last few years with the drug molly. now, if you sort of look at that and then look at all of the positive reports in these music songs by these art ists which i totally irresponsible they're like with pushing the drug to be more popular and that's whieps fright nieng because people are dying because of this. >> you see it doubling in emergency room visits and kids died this weekend. no kwooer the songs are saying it's cool or glorifying it.

is it fair to say those celebrities bear some of the blame? >> without question. and this is what is really irresponsible. we have to put pressure on these celebrities and the record labels to be more socially conscious of what these artists are really promoting out there with the young people. miley cyrus, she was on the award show the other night and this was the song she was singing. i mean, this is absolutely wrong what's going on here. and we've really got to sort of step up the pressure here to really, you know, help our young people before it's too late, especially for these two young kids in new york. >> and these kids died and apparently there were other kids that also died at an event in boston. let me ask you, why is this that this is so available or, does it just a do anything different to your body because of how much it's constructed? is it really cheap to get? why is it we're seeing all these teenagers and young adults doing this drug, molly.

>> you have to understand, ecstasy has been around for 25 years. i even took mda because i'm a recovering addict, sober 29 years. i took the drug in the early 70s. so this drug has been around. but you have to know something. it's become so popular and there's not been a lot of pr and news about how dangerous this drug is. so it's become really part of the drug culture, especially at nightclubs, music festivals. wherever you go to hear music, this drug is prevalent because it creates, you know, euphoria. it creates physical and sexual touch ye touchy-feely kind of vibe and you want to dance for hours so the word spreads at the festivals but the word is not spreading tonight which is what we have to do. >> so everybody should take to social media and let the

celebrities know what you think about singing and glorifying a dug like that. our seventh story "outfront." tonight the sister of james dimaggio speaks out. you'll remember the police say dimaggio abducted 16-year-old hannah anderson and allegedly murder herd mother and brother after torturing them buddy imagine yous sister insists that may not be the case. lor ampblt and the dimaggio family spokesman. lora, you had a chance to speak last week with my colleague, piers morgan and you said hannah is not as innocent as she might seem. i wanted to play that sound byte and get your reaction to what you meant. here you are. >> i remember very vividly te telling my brother, she's trouble. she's -- i said, you need to watch out for that one. she's trouble. she was -- he came into my home, was very gracious.

she didn't say thank you once. she had on extremely heavy eye makeup. >> that's what you said at the time. i just kinds of honed in on online comment about the extremely heavy eye makeup. why is that relevant? >> well, it wasn't eye makeup alone that led me to say that to my brother. it was her demeanor. clothing. it was several different factors came into play to lead me to say that to my brother. >> and so what do you think actually happened? you know, no matter how you look at this, right, she's 16 years old. your brother was 40 years old. he was the one really in control of a relationship like that. >> uh-huh. right and i'm certainly not in any way defending my brother. obviously, he was involved in

some capacity. all i'm asking is with you know, are questions that any reasonable person who has lost their last living family member would be asking. i want answers. i want the truth. i want facts. my brother was shot and killed and all i'm asking for is the truth. >> and let me ask you, andrew, lora talking about james dimaggio saying she's not paying attention to reality here but obviously he's still being classified as a suspect and those are the words they're using in the murders of hannah's mother and brother. have authorities given you any indication as to whether or not they're close to wrapping up the investigation? whether they're sure what happened that day and what he did or not? >> i think what's most disturbing is so many piernl labeled james a pedophile. there's been no evidence of that. and after the case, now lora goes on tv and expresses her

concerns and now they're going after lora and saying she's in denial. i've known her a long time and she's clearly not in denial. she's definitely grieving and suffering pain from her brother's death. but this isn't the case of denial. this is a case where there's lots of questions. it's not just lora. there's hundreds of people on the internet and thousands that are asking the same questions. there are certain things that just don't add up. how is her cell phone in the house that burned in the house but yet she has no idea that her mother and brother died and you know, there's time gaps in the timeline. and we would like to respect her privacy as a minor, as a 16-year-old. but this is a young girl who decided to argument act like an adult and attacking lora and laughing at her online and making derogatory comments so as

we want to respect her privacy as a minor she has chosen to take it into the public spotlight and social media and we think in that case the sheriff eeps department of san diego has an obligation to release the information to lora and let her know whether the timeline fits and whether or not hannah was -- where was she? there are so many questions people have that aren't being answered. >> we thank you both very much for taking the time and asking some of them here to lora and andrew. and now the talk of the day on twitter was about a world wrooirnd $132 million paychecpa. this young man is a football player, the real kind. gareth bale, mvp of the british premiere league and unveiled by spa spain's madrid. following other players looming

david beckham. she say it's being paid in one single check. insane, huh? real madrid's president, he's worth $1.4 billion according to forbes so he has the cash but heaps rather destitute by the standards of soccer and that brings me to our number tonight. $10 billion. according to forbes, that's the minimum net worth required to get you in top ten richest socker clab owners. only three americans made the were cut. that means we'll start seeing more record-setting soccer player paychecks right here in the usa. still "outfront" a man gets three years in jail for rape and murder. does it add up? and kids head back to school and saying pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional! ♪ ♪

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we're back with tonight's outer circle, where we go to india. the outrage is spreading after a teen convicted of a gang rape. the victim died of her injuries. but the teen received a sentence of just three years in jail. >> this outrage over the sentencing of a teenager for his

involvement in the deadly gang rape that shook india. the suspect was 17 1/2 years old, when the crime was committed he was a minor, therefore he was being tried in a juvenile court. and the maximum sentence any juvenile can get is three years in a correctional facility. and that's exactly the sentencing that has been handed down to him. now, as soon as that was announced, there were protests outside the court. many say that punishment is not enough. and asking that juvenile rape laws be changed. erin? >> thanks. >> under god faces new scrutiny. this week, massachusetts's highest court reportedly scheduled to hear arguments whether the pledge of allegiance violates the state's guarantee of equal protection. does the argument add up?

reihan salaam is with me. do the words under god violate the child's rights? the whole separation of church and state? >> to me, at this time, in this world we live in, where you have 16% of americans that don't believe in any faith whatsoever, i believe under god doesn't have to be there. it has nothing to do with what we're doing now. we live in a multicultural nation. >> you said the edsall as in the old car? >> you guys aren't sponsored by ford, are you? i take that back. the reality is, things have changed. we did this in the cold war, it was for religious purposes, pandering for political gain during a tight time, america changed. our words should be gone. they have no place in it, they don't make us a better country. they don't make the nation safer, they do nothing. but to me, make it divisive. >> let me say this, those people out there who say, it's

sacrilegious, can you say that. the pledge of allegiance was penned in the early 1900s. the words one nation under god was added in 1954. >> it was an ideological conflict. the argument is that this is not a prayer, it's not about sectarianism, rather, it's a statement about political philosophy, and here's what the ninth circuit said in 2010. it's a recognition of our founder's political philosophy, that a power greater than government gives the people their inalienable rights. >> the power is god. that is a religious thing, is it not? >> let's say the country has changed and we ought to have a different way of going about

this. there are five states in the union like oklahoma and wyoming that don't set aside time in schools for students to say the pledge. why don't we persuade people, actually, why don't we go through the political process, make that argument and have state legislatures role back the pledge if we feel it's truly outdated. >> sometimes the court -- >> when the court is more progressive, we people pose the view -- >> wait a minute -- >> this is a statement of political philosophy. >> often times the court has to be advanced. banning interracial marriage, 70% of americans agreed with the law. thank goodness the supreme court had the vision to strike that law down. our courts have to be ahead of the popular people. >> sometimes they have to -- >> here's my question, when has god -- when people invoke god

for their country, been good? >> i feel -- >> i feel like people always use god when they want to say someone is worse than they are or something terrible. >> what is that look. you can change this if you feel strongly about it. it's not about the god as such, it's about ceremony, our history, it's about our culture. and it's about the idea that we did have founders who had certain beliefs about where our rights come from. that phrase under got doesn't necessarily mine christianity or islam or anything else. what it means is that there's a transcendent source of ow rights and the government can't take it away. >> the separation of church and state -- >> i asked -- >> this is about ceremonial deism. >> we will end on that fancy little phrase. and please, of course, let us know what you think, under god, time to boot it out of the pledge or not. remembering the man behind one of the most important

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tonight outfront honors david frost, the television interviewer died of a sudden heart attack at the age of 74. he was working when he died. frost is famous in america for his interview with the impeached richard nixon in 1977.

>> i think that there are three things, since you asked me, i would like to hear you say -- i think the american people would like to hear you say, one is. there was probably more than mistakes. there was wrongdoing. whether it was a crime or not. yes, it may have been a crime too. >> i let down my friends. i let down the country. i let down our system of government and the dreams of all those young people that ought to get into government and think it's all too corrupt and the rest. i let the american people down. and i have to carry that burden with me for the rest of my life.

>> as brilliantly portrayed in the 2008 movie, nixon frost. frost got the last word, not the journalist who criticized him at the time. he brought out the human side of a disgraced president. he became part of american history -- his willingness to throw his notes away and go with his heart and talent. for that, we honor sir david frost. "ac 360" starts now. erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. we begin with the looming debate over attacking syria, a debate that many americans in congress ask for even as lawmakers say it's coming too late. the president started working on this labor day to get house and senate members on board for the resolution with military action. in syria, as we've said so many times, the violence continues. an opposition group says at least 63