>> good evening, ariel castros life sentence ends in death. he commits suicide in his prison cell say authorities. tonight, an exclusive interview with his family. the 30 day rape sentence of a teacher. a judge suggested the young girl was partially to blame. why the case may not be closed. who said it, who crossed it, the

politics of it and what it means as the united states weighs taking military action in syria. the yids is accusing syria of using against its own people. the use of those chemical weapons. president obama made a stop in sweden on the way to the g-20 summit. >> i didn't set a red line. the world set a red line. 98% of the world's population said the use of chemical wps and forbid their use even when countries are engaged in war. congress set a red line when it ratified that. >> the president said he didn't set a red line. keeping them honest, it sounds like that's what he did when you

listen to him in 2012. >> we have been very clear to the assad regime but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is we start saying a whole bunch of chemical weapons being moved around. that would change my equation. >> democrats and republicans say the president boxed himself in with that statement. they wondered if today, they were hearing mr. obama, for the first time, trying to talk himself out of the standard he set. the number two republican in the house, eric cantor said any president would have drawn that line. secretary of state john kerry tried to drive home the point it's not just something the president made up. >> some try to suggest the debate we are having today is about this president's red line. this is about president obama's red line. let me make it as clear as i can

to all of you, that is just not true. this is about the world's red line. it's about humanity's red line. a line that anyone with a conscience should draw and a line that was drawn nearly 100 years ago in 1925 when the chemical weapons agreement was agreed upon. >> he and defense secretary chuck hagel and martin dempsey faced tough questions today. they passed a resolution authorizing military action. jim has more. >> reporter: today, the syrian debate moved to the less friendly house foreign affairs committee. some saying the administration wants to do too much, others too lit. >> our enemies don't know what

our foreign policy is. our friends don't know what it is. i'm not so sure americans know what our foreign policy is in the middle east. >> secretary kerry was forced to confront the ghosts of the administration's last troubled middle eastern intervention in libya. >> it involved the u.s. and syria and was reluctant to use the same resources to rescue the brave americans that fought for their lives in benghazi. >> we are talking people being killed by gas and you want to talk about benghazi. >> absolutely. four americans lost their lives. i have sympathy for syria, but we should act cautiously. >> reporter: not a personal test for the president, but for congress, the country and the world. >> this is not about getting into syria's civil war.

this is about enforcing people shouldn't be allowed to gas their citizens. if we don't do this, assad will interpret he's free to do it any day he wants to. >> reporter: many remain skeptical that a limited intervention won't get the u.s. in a civil war or lead it to the islamist opposition. >> do you trust these people? >> it's not my business -- >> it has to be your business because you want to put american lives at risk. it's a simple concept, you trust or do not trust. >> jim, the balancing act the administration is trying to achieve, you get a sense of that from lawmakers. >> you have two contradictory arguments against military action. you hear from members that want them to do more. the limited strikes don't go far

enough. you heard from those who want to do less, repeatedly getting secretary kerry to promise no boots on the ground and the u.s. won't get into a larger conflict. in effect, it's a goldilocks proposition here, authorizing military action that's not too hot, not too cold, not too aggressive and not too soft. it's why we see that wording. it's difficult to get the wording to get the votes on both sides of the debate. >> jim, good reporting, thank you. welcome to cnn. joining me now live, newt gingrich host of "cross fire." david gergen, a cnn commentator. the president said he did not set a red line.

the world's credibility is on the line. do you buy that? >> not really. i give the president credit for taking the high ground and trying to shame the rest of the world into taking action. he did that effectively. when it comes to the argument about the red line, there's a difference. international treaties say you cannot use chemical weapons. if you violate the treaties, they are silent about mig tear action. in effect, what the world says is if you violate a national treaty, you go to the u.n. and decide on military action. what the president did and why the red line business got him in trouble is in the context of saying whether he was going to use military action to intervene in syria, he said if they cross this line, i will -- i will recalibrate my position. he sent a clear message, if they cross this line, he would use military action. it's different from the treaties. >> right. >> it's put his credibility on

the line and as commander in chief, it's put the united states on the line. itis important in syria and iran. >> the president says congress set their own red line on chemical reactions used, how do you respond to that. >> david just exposed it. the treaty doesn't require military action. go to the 1980s, saddam was using poison gas on his people in the iran/iraq war. in egypt, they used poison gas. 100,000 people have been killed in syria. a lot of children have been killed in syria. this is pretty horrifying stuff. but, is it stuff that justifies the united states engaging in, frankly, a limited confused strike against the dictatorship, which is not going to be very effective by a limited strike.

i vote note, but i would say to you, if assad is still sitting there after the strikes, he's in a position to say the united states didn't do much to affect me, i'm still in charge. >> fareed, what do you say about that? >> i think that is -- i mean, newt highlighted the great danger, which is when you have a limited strike of this nature, you yield the initiative to the other side. if they survive the strike and assad continues to do what he's doing, maybe he doesn't use chemical weapons again, you haven't won. you have inched your way into the civil war. you have taken a side and you are not winning. the united states can't put their credibility on the line, say that's it, we did three days of strikes. after this, what happens doesn't matter. not when the secretary of state compared it to mu nick. the president referred to it as

the holocaust. they are using language that so inflated it and dramatized it. you wonder, won't the action have to catch up? >> start by the language. secretary kerry said i don't believe we are going to war. i don't believe that. isn't it war? >> of course we are going to war. assuming this is going to be several days of dozens and dozens of cruise missile strikes, by any definition, you are going to war. this is your munich moment. this is your chance to stop aggression by using military action. you can't have it both ways. it's either so dramatic we can't go to war to stop it or the violation of international or it's a teeny military action that doesn't qualify. >> you were saying how ambivalent you are. did you hear anything that changed your mind one way or the

other? >> no, what i heard muddies the waters more. i believe -- one of the most striking lines to me, in particular as a writer, a line the president used. we believe strongly that, in fact, chemical weapons were used and mr. assad was -- i use it azamater of fact. either you know it or you don't. it may be as much as they can give with the intelligence they have. however, the public receiving this, it sounds very squishy and on the back end of it, what assures us that if you slap a tiger you don't plan to kill, it will retreat and not advance? if you go in and attack assad and do not take him out, what assures us he will not retaliate, even if it's not the next month? >> do you have confidence this

defense department, this administration thought out what happens on day two and three and beyond? we got involved in iraq and there wasn't a plan of insurgency. are you worried of a long term plan? >> you always have to worry. you don't know what the iranians are going to do to protect asaid who is their principal ally. they have been sending troops to syria and supplies. second, you don't know what assad may do. once the united states engages, you have a real obligation to win or you look weaker and dumber. i'm very dubious. secretary hagel said at one point, we can do this for tens of millions of dollars. each tomahawk costs a million dollars. we have 20 or 30 of them. this should be the equivalent of

sending a tweet by tomahawk. this is symbolic action in a way that is goofy. you see it in language. this is an act of war. for secretary kerry to say i don't see us getting into a war is totally misleading language. sending the missiles is an act of war. >> there are only three republicans in the senate foreign relations committee that voted yes on the war resolution. it can't be that encouraging for the administration. >> anderson, i think you have to give the president a victory today, coming out of the foreign relations committee. it came out 10-7. start with that proposition. what's interesting is if you project on to the house and senate votes what happened in foreign relations, you are getting the same. republican voting the same way in both chambers and democrats voting the same way. the president will actually get

a slim majority in each chamber. interestingly, he will fall short in the senate of 60. we assume, his worse chances are in the house. based on today's vote, he's got a climb to make in the senate to get to 60. >> you agree this is war? >> absolutely believe it's war. the speaker said let's talk about the tomahawk missiles. we should be clear about what's going to happen. we are saying there won't be boots on the ground. this will not just be missiles launched from ships. there are aircraft carriers because you will have to do some of this work with pilots in planes over syria. drones do not have the capability to do air combat. the syrian military has some air defenses so they can fire surface to air. you cannot do it with drones. you have to put american bodies above the air space.

some can be shot down. that is a real thing. this idea that we are not going to put the boots on the ground, we are going to stay back from syria, it's not the truth. >> do you agree there has to be, in the world, a red line with the use of chemical weapons? 100,000 people have died. children have been tortured to death, horrible things occurred here. is there a red line the nation's of the world cannot tolerate? >> it's a terrible thing. assad is incredibly brutal, but he had 100,000 people have died through other causes. 1,400 died because of chemical weapons. in a strange way, the chemical weapon convention is a throwback to a time when conventional weapons couldn't kill those people. now, using bombs you can kill two, three times as many people as the chemical agents can.

it's a horrible thing. when you look at history, it's weapons of mass destruction after the gulf war when we wanted to put saddam hussein in a box and make sure he's not doing anything bad. you can't do nuclear or biological weapons. we kept him in that box. yes, of course, you don't want these weapons used. the impulse behind it, which was that you could kill lots of people is actually no longer true. conventional war kills many more people. >> you already see mission? >> i see it because of this rhetoric. when mccain says he will support this because he's given private insurances. there's going to be more arms given to the opposition. an opposition who hasn't been given arms. all of this suggests we are going to relax our standards as

to who qualifies for weapons and training. >> john kerry, yesterday or the day before said they are more moderate than we have been thinking. it's the first time we have heard that. >> dempsey, a week earlier said -- >> we have to leave it there. newt gingrich, fareed zakaria, let us know what you think. a lot more to talk about including the inspector of the iraq war hanging over the syrian debate. the question is, will that legacy affect president obama's chances to get a resolution from congress? i'll speak to paul who is intimately involved in the iraq policy. also ahead, castro committing suicide in prison. he was sentenced to life plus 1,000 years for holding three women hostage. martin savidge's exclusive

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as congress debates whether to authorize the use of military force in syria, everybody wants to be sure there is no holes in the intelligence that don't want another iraq they say. here is what secretary of state john kerry said in the house committee today. >> i remember iraq. secretary hagel who will soon be here and general dempsey also remembers it very well. secretary hagel and i both voted in the united states senate. and so both of us are especially sensitive to never again asking any member of congress to vote on faulty intelligence. >> as deputy secretary of defense under president george w. bush paul was a major

influence on the iraq policy in 2003 and talking about plans for the u.s. invasion. he joins me now live. mr. secretary, thanks for being here. there is a disagreement what the objective should be. in your view should it be to detour assad from using chemical weapons again or go further? >> there is a much larger issue here, which is the whole syria policy and we're sitting on our hands doing nothing while assad slaughters people more than 100,000 syrians and taking it a step further with the use of chemical weapons and i think it's doing enormous damage to american interest. i was listening to the last panel and i agree there's a whole parade of possible things that can go wrong, and i think -- i don't want to pile on, i think the president handled things badly and we're in a bad situation because of that but the fact is doing

nothing has big consequences as well and i think they are bigger and i think one has to consider, too, i wish the president hadn't thrown this in the lap of congress. it's a sort of looking for help for his own lack of leadership, but the fact is if the congress turns down the president now, it's not only a blow to president obama i think it's a blow to the presidency and american credibility in an important part of the world. so i very much with those people who say to make this a serious response, it has to be more than just blowing up some targets in syria. the focus should be helping syrians. there are plenty of syrian whose can use our help and we're not even letting them have gas masks. i think that's a policy that has to change. >> i know you say you're concerned about a lack of discovery, you know your critics say the same thing about the second iraq war in which you were intimately involved, a key planner, that there wasn't planning for the insure again see.

do you feel like this administration has thought out steps two three and four? >> no, i don't. there was plenty of planning. no one was predicting al qaeda and the planning for that wasn't good. that's a fact. i think in the case of syria, we're looking at a situation that's a lot more like what we had in iraq at the end of the first gulf war in 1991 when saddam slaughtered possibly 100,000, to 200,000 with our plains flying and the result was he suppressed the rebellion and remain in power and the country was crippled, in someways destroyed by sanctions -- >> you advocated at the time, if i recall correct, going after saddam then, right. >> not going after saddam, i advocated going after the shia rebellio rebellions. i think if we had done that, saddam would have been taken

care of by his own people. >> is chemical weapons the red line? >> honestly, i think 100,000 people being slaughtered and doing nut sg a red line. the critical difference here is not about intelligence but the fact that we're not talking about actions that involve a major risk to american lives. the people risking their lives are syrians, and a lot of those syrians have interest and values, i believe, i don't know them, i'm taking this on the word of people who have been there, interest in values in common with ours and in that case, you know, it was once called the regan doctrine to arm people fighting on your side so your people don't have to fight. i think it's a sound and strategic and moral principle. >> last night he said his red line would have been the use of syria's air force against its own people. would that, for you, have been something that should have been responded to? >> yes, i believe so but again, let me emphasize i think the

most important response is enabling the syrians to fight for themselves and to fight more effectively. let me say something else, there is a distinct lack of strategy here but to the extend there is a strategy it seems to be aimed at trying to find some peaceful resolution of this. i'm all for peaceful resolution. i'm not sure it's impossible to get one. i am sure it's impossible to get one until assad and the people around him realize that they are on the way out, then maybe you can get some negotiating going. so we need some real leverage and it's not going to come from a few days of missile strikes. it is going to come from a stronger syrian opposition. that has to be the key the a strategy. >> we heard congress say the american public is war weary. do you understand why they back it up -- >> absolutely. >> a lot of them say because of the second iraq war. >> absolutely. we were war weary after the korean war and that didn't stop us from undertaking what we

needed to do later. look, i think the president should do a better job for the last couple years explaining to the american people, number one, we have serious interest in syria, both national interest and i think moral interest and explaining the goal here is not to send more americans to die. we've had enough of that for as long as possible. the goal is to enable syrians to fight for their country so we're not stuck with a problem later on. i think americans understand that reasoning but it hasn't been presented to them. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. the prosecutor cut a deal with ariel castro to spare the death penalty calls his suicide the coward's way out. castro's brother-in-law speaks out in an exclusive interview with martin savidge. the teacher that raped his 14-year-old student may not get off as easy as possible. montana's attorney general is taking action. it helps make me who i am

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welcome back. crime and punishment tonight, the prosecutor put ariel castro behind bars is calling it the coward's way out. the kidnapper and rapist apparently killed himself according to authorities. he was found hanging in his prison cell a month after his sentence. the coroner ruled it a suicide. the crimes are so heinous, it is beyond understanding. he pleaded guilty to more than 900 counts. the judge said there is no place in the world for his brand of chemical.

the women he held captive are not expected to make any statements about his suicide according to one of their lawyers. one of castro's relatives is talking with martin savidge. >> reporter: at one point, prosecutors had threatened the death penalty against ariel castro, in the end authorities say he delivered it to himself. ohio corrections officials said he hung himself in the prison cell, they found him at 9:20 p.m. tuesday. the question for many is how could it happen? castro was separated from the prison population and supposedly under protective custody checked every half hour. his family is shocked. they don't have suspicions but do have questions. >> the family has raised that question. it doesn't feel right. there's no note. we don't know that he wrote a suicide note. >> reporter: authorities aren't

giving details and an investigation is underway. his mother and sister last visited him ten days ago and the clear signs of depression. >> his body language, tone of voice, his conversation, he wasn't as conversational. >> reporter: a missed warning? perhaps. good riddance say most on the street and online. their thoughts best summed up in the words of the prosecutor. this man couldn't take for even a month a small portion of what he had dished out for more than a decade. castro's family gets it. listen to his brother-in-law as he verbally walk as painful tight rope between justice and the family's love for a man they knew long ago. >> the world in general feel they are rid of a monster, but to the family, the family has

lost a son, a father, a grandfather, an uncle, a brother-in-law, and even though he did all these bad things and the family does not condone that, you cannot change human behavior. they will and they must grieve the loss of their loved one. >> reporter: but they will do it privately, no funeral, no wake, no service, not wanting in any way to revive the suffering of his victims gina de jesus, amanda berry and michelle knight. >> let's hope history remembers their names and not the name of that awful man. martin savidge joins us live from cleveland. is there an investigation by the prison about how this man was able to apparently kill himself? >> reporter: apparently, now there are two investigations, one being conducted by the ohio state highway patrol and the

department of corrections that launched it's own investigation, both are expected to take weeks. >> and we're not expecting to hear anything from amanda berry or michelle knight or gina de jesus, right? >> reporter: we haven't heard it yet. they heard the news right away. their attorneys haven't issued statements. the girls have not publicly said anything, either. >> where are you located? the former location of the house? >> reporter: yeah, i'm glad you asked. this was ariel castro's front yard and the house of horrors stood here. it was demolished and this is what was built in it's place a community park. it's now referred to as kind of instead of the house of horrors, a place of hope. let's get caught up on other stories with isha. chaos at a high school outside of houston, a 17-year-old student stabbed to death in a fight and three other students injured. the school was put on lockdown leaving parents frantic.

investigators are questioning a 17-year-old boy who authorities say is considered the sole suspect. a dramatic development in the epic custody battle over a little girl named veronica. today oklahoma's governor signed an extradition order for her biological father dustin brown who faces charges of custodial interference in south carolina days after oklahoma's supreme court issued an emergency stay giving brown temporary custody of veronica. george zimmerman's latest traffic stop caught on video. florida police say he was doing 60 in a 45 mile per hour zone and given a $256 ticket. in july after his acquittal in the trayvon martin killing, zimmerman was stopped for speeding but let off with a warning. for the second time this week, japan was slammed with tornados. the twisters damaged dozens of houses ripping off roofs and shattering windows. at least three people were injured, just terrifying pictures there.

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welcome back, another crime and punishment report now. for more than a week outrage has been building over the light sentence given to a former teacher in montana admitting to raping his 14-year-old student. the judge that imposed the sentence madeout rageous remarks about the young rape victim. the attorney general stepped in and took action. randi kaye joins me and jeffrey toobin. remind the viewers who happened. >> this case goes back to 2007 when stacey rambold raped shareece morlaes. he was 49, she was 14 and a student. he was charged with sexual intercourse without consent but before the case could go to trial, cherice morzlez took her life. it was days before her 17th birthday, in 2010. prosecutors were concerned about trying rambold without the star witness so offered him a deal if he admitted to a rape charge,

completed a sex offender program and had no unsupervised contact with minors but he failed the treatment program, anderson, so the felony charges were refiled. last we can he was sentenced in the case. the judge only sentenced him to 15 years with all by 31 days suspended so he only got a month, anderson, for admitting to raping a 14-year-old girl. that brings us to today when montana state prosecutors appealed the case calling the sentence illegal. the judge said he was not made aware of a mandatory sentence of two years. >> this boggles my mind how a judge could sentence him to 30 days. yesterday he filed a report saying the ruling may have been illegal but blamed the prosecutor saying they didn't inform him about this mandatory minimum. >> the judge, he's up for reelection soon and sees the public reaction, but i think you have to put this in context with how a lot of people unfortunately view rape in this country.

you know, remember in the senate campaigns in indiana and missouri, you had people talking about well it's not real rape, and the idea that, you know, a 14-year-old is capable of consent to rape -- to sex, that is an idea that a lot of people still have in this country -- >> the judge still has this idea. >> the judge had the idea. >> he said that she was kron -- chronologically 14 but older in other ways. how is he peering into the soul of this girl that is dead. >> who was by that point dead. bad enough you would say that about any 14-year-old but one who had taken her own life as a result. i think it's indicative of how a lot of attitudes about rape have changed in this country, but a lot have not. unfortunately, this judge is really being called on it. >> randi, there is strong reaction. there are protests. is there still a lot of uproar? >> absolutely, anderson and the judge may have brought it upon

himself beyond the ruling. remember n trying to explain himself, the judge said the 14-year-old girl was just as much in control and seemed beyond her chronological age, as you said. there was a media backlash and protest took place all over montana and he later apologized saying he regretted it and didn't know what he was thinking and saying, calling what he said was stupid and wrong but anderson, people are still calling for him to step down. >> how likely is it this can get reversed? >> i think likely. he did sentence him to 15 years but suspended all but 30 days of it. it's possible to sentence him to more time. the prosecutors have come back toond said we want 20years. the mandatory minimum apparently, is two years, so somewhere between two and 15 years seems likely. >> jeff, appreciate the update. up next, a mystery connected to the media after math of 9/11.

it has to do with the american flag raised in the rubble of ground zero. it was seen in that know famous photograph. we'll explain a mystery about where the flag is now just ahead.

welcome back. as the u.s. debates military action in syria, one week today

marks it anniversary of nine. cnn presents "the flag" surrounding the mystery american flag raised over the rubble on the ground zero a mystery that many of us probably are not aware of. many of you may recall the firefighters hoisting the flag in the smoke and dust sending a message the united states will not be defeated by terrorist. the flag toured the country a proud and reassuring symbol to the nation. so it was believed. as tonight's documentary explains, that actual flag is missing. here is a preview. >> my goodness. that was quite a picture. >> do you remember the first time you saw that? >> i do. i probably saw it -- somebody probably showed this to me sometime on the 11th or 12th before it was in the paper, whoever actually thought of

taking it at exactly that time were the firefighters in doing it performed a tremendous service to the country. >> tom's photo comes in and we huddled around the computer and he brings up this photo. >> and that popped out because of the flag. everything had this grayish blue tint to it and there you saw the red, white and blue. >> and i sat there and i said, that's an incredible picture and daniel was standing behind me and she said, that's not a picture, it's an icon. >> about a year after 9/11, they asked for the flag back for a little ceremony on their boat and the fdny and city complied. they thought this was a good idea and gave it to them. >> we knew right away it was the wrong flag. >> this is another flag that somehow became substituted for the original flag. where is the original flag? and they went back to the mayor's office. >> but the city never called, they never did anything. and they don't seem to care that are very happy to make it sound like the flag is here, and it's this big flag, and this is the

flag, and that big flag has everybody's signature on it. so they are quite happy to say this is the flag and leave it alone like that. >> to this day, no one knows what happened to that flag. >> my name is bill isengrin. i'm the firefighter on the right. on the left is george johnson and in the center dan mcwilliams. it was over in a few minutes. we found a spot, raised the flag. we looked at each other, looked at the flag and that was that. it was no big deal and i'm sure danny and george feel the same way. we just felt that we had other things that needed to be accomplished right then. you know, we were thousands of missing people that was our mission to try to find them and bring them home. dealing with the picture on the front of the paper really didn't matter at that point. >> it makes us all feel united.

it makes us feel like we're bigger than just ourselves. >> it's not until we're challenged that we reach back at what makes us americans and what that is and what the symbol is is the flag. >> as you see there, it says the flag is still missing. cnn received credible tips on what may have happened to it. jason is here with that part of the story. i understand a dozen tips have come in. >> absolutely. speaking with the film maker saying a dozen coming in as we speak. they call them credible because many have in fact, led them to a flag, a flag at ground zero, just not the flag. >> and it's interesting, the people whose flag it was originally, they had a yacht, i guess, parked nearby ground zero and the firefighters grabbed the

flag off that yacht and that's how they knew once it was returned to the yacht owners, wait, this flag doesn't fit. >> here is what is interesting. she and her husband, the original owners of this particular flag, they are basically the only ones who can tell what that flag looks like. there is some undisclosed mark they are not revealing what that is, so once they are able to get a flag in their hands through a tip, through whatever means possible, that couple will then take a look at the flag and they will be the ones to make the determination. >> that is interesting. so they -- >> they are the only ones. >> wow. when i first heard about this documentary, i had no idea about this missing flag. i'm wondering, though, how some people may see the documentary. i haven't seen it yet. i guess there is a concern it could miss the point by focussing on the flag you miss the larger, the larger loss, the larger horror of that day. >> look, like you and most people did not know there was a flag missing and i think there is also this concern when you

talk about what is missing. there is people whose loved ones remains were never found. >> on course. >> i think that's a legitimate question. when i pose that to the film maker, he recognizes that as well. his hope and the team they worked with, part of their hope is not only will people, you know, think about the flag that is missing but also will remember what the flag stood for during that critical moment in our history and hopefully, this will remind them and be a way people will not forget. >> i want to see this because "the new york times" gave it a great review in today's paper and raise that exact same point and the idea that if they had only focused on just the flag, it would have missed the larger point but there is so much more. >> when you look at this documentary and i watched it last night for the first time. i watched it more than once. >> how do you get a recording and i don't? >> i'll give you my copy of it. >> okay. >> it's really worth viewing because for some of us who were actually here, you were here, i was here, you -- it is easy to

forget, first of all. there is some images that remind you about what happened on that day, but what is really striking about this documentary is not only does it go into the search for this flag and people who think they may have it or come in contact with it, it's also just as much about the feeling of the mood of the country during that time, the first responders, you know, who were down there, how they put their lives on the line. the photographs down there. >> right. >> during that period of time, all of that is part of this documentary, as well. >> thanks very much. look forward to it.

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