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ropes, 20,000 tons of grout. all told, it will cost the insurance industry who is paying for this, you are in your prices and ticket for cruise ships because of the premiums, a billion dollars. it's the biggest ever shipping loss for insurers. which brings me to tonight's number, $43 million the estimated value as scrap. here's the thing, today we reached out to an expert who talked to us about this. shreding. they used current market prices for that figure. they say it's enough steel to build another eiffel tower. the fact that you get $42 million is good, it's well shy of the $60 million to build the ship and the $800 million spent on the salvage. wow. >> thanks, very much. good evening, everyone, we are live at the site of the navy
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yard where yesterday 12 innocent lives were cut short. the days that follow, we learn about the warning signs. today, 36 hours after a gunman drove into that navy yard right down the street, walked into building 197, pulled out a shotgun and killed a dozen people, those warning signs came into view. so tonight we will focus on the indications dating back nearly a decade a shooter was slowly being overtaken by serious mental illness. we will also look at what he managed to do what he did and how he managed to get a shotgun inside the navy yard and we will uncover what seems to be serious brooches in security. but tonight as we do with many mass shooting, we want to focus as much as possible on the lives that were lost. we believe that too often too much focus is on the killer. now, in this case, that's understandable. authorities are trying to learn as much as they can about this man and are appealing for the public's help with any information. but we hope history remembers not his name, but the names of
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those 12 innocent lives lost yesterday and so tonight we want to introduce you to some of those people as much as we know about them. we are able to interview thefully of one woman who was killed yesterday. kathy gaarde. her daughter had one request. it's a privilege to honor it for her and for someone they lost yesterday. >> everything is going on at once, she lives. she is not a number. >> the person that she was and the life that she led. >> she was so caring and she would do anything for anyone she loved. >> that is jessica gaarde with her dad talking about her mom kathy gaarde who as she said is not a number, not a statistic.
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kathy gaarde was 62-years-old. she was a huge fan of the washington capitals hockey team. she loved hall and oat, went to the bee gee, counted bluebirds for the local wildlife refugee. she and douglas her husband were planning their retirement. doug had already retired. kathy was a few months away from retiring and planning the rest of their life together. the security guard was stroo-years-old, michael ridgell served three years as a security contractor in iraq. his daughter, megan, echos what jessica gaarde said. >> i don't want people to remember him as a victim. because he never was in his life. he never will be. he's strong. i want him to be known as a dad as both a victim of a shooting. because he was a great dad for all of us. >> michael arnold was a graduate of a navy academy, an avid
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pilot. he was building his own plane he hoped to fly to visit his mom. he wanted to do it before he turned 50. michael arnold was 15-years-old. john, roger johnson, went by j.j. lived in the same maryland town for the lost three decade. the neighbor there says he always had a smile on his face. he was 73-years-old. 50-year-old frank kohler, 50-years-old. we learned about kenneth bernard proctorment he had two children, one that just joined the army. vishnu shalchendia pandit, he was 61 years old. mary francis knight, 51-years-old, she taught at a neighbor community college like michael arnold, martin bodrogge
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taught sunday school for preschoolers in winter time helped shovel driveways for elderly neighbors. he was the kind of person you'd want as a neighbor. he leaves a wife of 23 years and three daughters. martin bodrogge was 54. arthur daniels lived right here in southeast washington. he and his wife police sill loo had five children, nine grand. he worked as a handyman in building 197. arthur was 51-years-old. we still don't know much about sylvia phrasier. she was 53. we hope to learn more about her in the dies ahead and gerald read was a systems analyst. he had two masters degrees, worked in risk management at the navy yard. loved books about the civil war. he had three labrador retreefrs, an irish setter and two cats. quite a menagery there. we hon fwhor them all tonight. today, so did official walk.
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[ music playing ] [ playing taps ] the bugler playing "taps" they laid a wreath on pennsylvania avenue. secretary haggle ordered a review of security measures at bases around the country and around the world. even as he did, a picture of the gunman began snapping into focus. new details about his troubled past, violent episodes, despite it all, he kept security cleernts. now he managed to arm himself in yesterday's rampage. new details today about an encounter the gunman had with police as recently in august where he claimed to hear voices. we have new developments. >> reporter: this is what we can tell you, anderson, just over six weeks ago. the gunman called newport, rhode island police. he said he was convinced three people were out to hurt him. he told police he never felt anything like this unquote and
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he believed his harassers were using some sort of microwave machine to send vibrations through the ceiling penetrating his body, this was august in newport. he changed hotels three times t. voices of the people coming through the floor and ceiling didn't go away. if shooter believed his harassers were sent by someone he argued with from virginia to rhode islandch he told police he did not have a history of mental illness in the family and never had a mental episode. it's at this time, ander zorn, he goes to a big facility if rhode island and also in washington, d.c., we are learning he was treated for sleep-related disorders. newport police were so concerned they contacted their counterparts at the naval station, specifically one of their contractors was hearing voices. they sent a copy of that incident report t. officer on doubt said it would be followed up the but neither the navy or fbi will comment on what happened to that information, anderson. >> and, deb, his father claims
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he was an active pars tis pant in the 911 rescue attempts in 2001. which seems, excuse me, on 9/11 which seems odd, because he wasn't in the military at that time. what do we know about that 134. >> correct a. source told us earlier today that the father told police in 2004 his son was suffering from some kind of ptsd result of the 9/11. we learned he was working at an assistant computer administrator near ground zero. he was there on 9-11 when the towers fell. after the towers came down that campus was a staging area for first responders. whether he was doing what everyone was doing, which was pitching in to help people at that moment, it appears this realliment pablthed him. he left new york soon after and never returned for any length of time t. last time he was there was in 2010, anderson. >> february feyer ec.
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thank you for that update. moments ago, we learned the navy was aware of that encounter, but granted him clearance anyway. seattle is where gary tuckman is tonight. he joins us right now. so fare, what are you learning about what happened there? >> anderson, three years before he entered the military the shooter lived in this house in seattle. his grandmother still lives here. but on a may day in 2004, the shooter was angry. he felt disrespected by construction workers next door. we know this from the police report they've given us. so you walk out the door, you walk through this fence and next door this building wasn't there, it was built by construction workers. they were here building the building. there was a 1986 honda accord sitting right here. he, the shooter, had a ..45 caliber glock. he took it and fired the right tire and fired the third tire. he went back into his house. the construction workers then called the police. the police came, ultimately
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interviewed the shooter and decided to arrest him and charged him with ma lishts mischief. he faced the possibility of up to year in prison. the officer said, quote, he said he didn't remember pulling the trigger of his firearm until about one hour later. alexis also told me how he was present during the events of september 11th, 2011 and said it was a plaqueout fueled by anger. here's what ultimately happened, ander zorn, the police reported this to the seattle municipal court. under the laws, you have for the report this to the city's attorney's office t. city's attorneys office tells us today they never got any report whatsoever, so, therefore, they couldn't pursue the prosecution. therefore, this man that lived in this house, the shooter, never got in trouble for this episode. >> i know you tried to talk to his grandmother today. did she talk? >> right. this is where she lived. she lives to this day i believe with an aunt. she talked to me on the phone,
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when i told her where i was from, she hung up on me. she's in her 90s. we don't want to upset her. we knocked on her door today, she is not talking. also last night police came. seattle police came about an hour later the fbi came. they both went inside the house because they got calls from the family in new york to make sure she was okay and the police say at this point she is okay, but she's not talking. >> all right. gary, i appreciate that. i want to turn to former fbi profiler mary ellen o'toole. what do you make of the information so far? >> well, he continues to be a very inconsistent person. he's been described as being very sweet. he's been described as being very aguessive and when a person is described like that, you look at their aggressive side and for him going back in 2004, he didn't leak the way that these construction workers looked at
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him. they mocked him. they dissed him. so instead of using, you know, an appropriate response, he goes and he pulls out his glock and he shoots their tires out. it's completely disproportionate to what they did. >> that is a very critical piece of information. because that really defines an injustice collector. i don't leak what you did. >> an injustice collector. >> that means somebody that holds on to grove vanss? >> they hold on to grievances and perceive grievances when they're not there. their response to being mocked or disrespected is extremely disproportional to the original behavior, which is to pull out a gun. he does it again in 2010 to his neighbor down in texas. that's really indicative of very dangerous behavior. >> also, there was this report that they claimed to have gotten into an argument with somebody on a flight recently and was hearing voices.
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the idea that, i mean, that seems odd to me that somebody later in life. you expect somebody in their early 20s to maybe develop schizophrenia and hear voices. that's typically when we hear of something leak that. >> more will come out on that. you are right. in 2004 and in 2010, according to reports, he did not take responsibility for that behavior. so at this point, you have to wonder, does he hear voices because it's convenient right now? or is he really suffering from auditory hallucinations? i find it very unusual someone suffering from auditory hallucinations and seeks out medical treatment is simply treated for some type of sleep disorder and is released. >> that doesn't make sense to me. >> in mass shootings, it seems like there wasn't particular targets. he was fighting to an atrium of people having breakfast. >> more will probably come out on there. for example, there may have been some kind of disagreement with a boss or a co-worker.
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and if it happened in front of other people, he could very likely have seen that as being terribly humiliateing. then you have that disproportional response. so this is an individual that's very unpredetective in terms of how he will ve spond to how he is treated by other people. that unpredictability is also one of those variables that makes him dangerous. >> mary ellen o'toole. i appreciate you being here with us. thank you very much. at the top we have breaking news, we learned the killer bought the the shotgun into building 197 by breaking it down to pieces, carrying it and re-assembling it inside. we learned the bag was loaded with 12 gage buck shots. what are we learning? >> we are learning as they piece this cream scene together, we are told they have a significant amount of under surveillance inside and outside the building. they have eyewitness accounts and if bodies, the carnage. they have been in there and
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everything they see, everything they find is a data point they put into a computer program. they are re-assembleing a model of what they think what happened. early in the morning in the 8:00 hour as we've talked about, the shooter drove up, showed his i.d. walked inside, was carrying a bag. video under surveillance shows him going into a bathroom on the 4th floor. he emerges with a shotgun at the ready. >> it seems like he assembled it. >> you can do it in a minute of ten second, a recommendington, comes out very early on. they believe he had an encounter with the security guard and took his 9 millimeter shotgun. >> that is you talked of one of the victims earlier, mike ridgell. >> that's the second one. >> most of the carn allegeling they believe though was done from an overhang on the 4th floor. can you look down and started firing down into the crowd down there. now the d.c. police said they
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were on the scene within 7 or 8 minutes and very quickly then it became a moving gun battle that took place on at least three levels. we know from eyewitnesses at one point he was in the lube. there is under surveillance video of that. that is where the witnesses say he was using the handgun at least briefly in the shootout there. at 8:55 a.m. will, is an urgent radio call of a d.c. officer down on the 3rd floor. then about five minutes later, the shooter was shot in the head, fatally wounded. what they have done now is recovered the shot guns, recovered at least one 9mm handgun taken from the security guard. they are going through this, using a highly sophisticated computer program. every shell casing. every piece of bullet damage inside the building. every body, sadly, all the blood trail, every radio call is logged. essentially, they re-create a model to run a sim lakes of the crime scene. they are preliminarily building that as they go. it takes weeks to finalize the whole thing.
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they say they are confident. they have a good picture of the carnage that happened in there. how it played out. they say they're absolutely certain he was alone. >> all right. i appreciate that update. more on how someone with a violent paper trail managed to get and keep the security clearance. how is that possible? later, remembering a mom and a wife. my interview with jessica and doug gaarde about a remarkable woman and the empty ms. they will never lose. >> i don't know where my life goes now. she was my partner. we had plans to do things and it's gone.
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>> we are just down the street from the washington navy yard. we got if you details about yesterday's massacre, including the u.s. navy confirms to cnn the shooter was given initial security clearance in 2007 when he enlisted. >> that is good for ten years and we are learning tonight that the navy issued it despite that violent incident in seattle
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three years before. >> that and a lot more we have learned puts the security clearance in a different light. drew griffin has been digging into all of this and what he's found is disturbing to say the least. listen. >> reporter: here is the fact, aaron alexis was getting on to bases all summer long with a military pass. with all te aprofls an access that came with it. >> mr. alexis had legitimate access to the navy yard as a result of his work as a contractor and he utilized a valid pass to gianni entry to the building. >> reporter: from july until yesterday morning, alexis had worked at six military facilities up and down the eastern seaboard, refreshing computers as a part of a massive contract. the u.s. navy yard would be his seventh job site. the question, how did he get approved? take a look at what we found easily in just one day of searching. a 2004 arrest in seattle. according to investigating officer, alexis didn't like the
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way a car was parked, so he shot out the tires. he would tell police as a new yorker he was still suffering from the effects of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. in 2007, he joins the navy where in four years he has eight disciplinary issues, ranging from insnowboard na eggs to disorderly conduct. he received non-judicial punishment, a red flag in itself. in 2008, alexis is briefly jailed in decalb county, georgia for an outburst that included damaging furnishings an swearing at an officer outside a nightclub. in fort worth, texas, 2010, he is arrested again for firing a bullet lou the ceiling of his apartment. he told police he was cleaning a gun and his hands slipped and pulled the trigger. three arrests, possible mental health issues and a less than exemplary military record. what happened? we asked the navy spokesman rear
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admiral john kirby. >> in 2007, he didn't have nearly the paperwork problems that we have now. so he passes a security clearance, but while he's in the navy, this guy has a bunch of problems and yet the navy allows him to essentially leave the service with his clearance intact, making him gold to these contractors who are scrambling to get workers. >> the administrrative offense he was guilty of in the navy, these dereliction of duty, absence without leave, for work, was certainly not commendable offenses for a navy sailor don't rise to the level that would instantly call for a relocation of a security clearance. >> and do you know if the navy had access to his criminal arrest behavior? >> those are the forensics we're doing. >> that is exactly what we are trying to take a look at, through those brushes with civilian law enforcement, if we missed anything. so we are looking at that right
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now. >> so, drew, he was checked out be i this defense contractor in just a last year and passed. >> yeah. this is what is really troubling, because twice according to that defense contractor, who called the experts, he was cleared for duty for them. in fact the contractor hired a firm to do the background check. i will read you what they told us. the latest background check and security confirmation were in late june of 2013 and revealed no issues other than one minor traffic violation. >> so they didn't find the other? >> they didn't find any of this, which we were able to find quickly, in a half an hour. >> it's really troubling. we should point out cnn's, jake tapper broke the news the navy was aware of the 200-shooting. i want toably in fran townsend, she's a member of the cis and external boards and a former
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executive assistant director of the fbi where he was responsible for cyber criminal and international divisions. navy officials knew about this incident in seattle, let him in and gave him security clearance. does that seem okay to up? >> no. i mean, lock, captain kirby is the spokesperson. he says they will go back and look at what they knew or should have known. anderson, this is publicly available information. so the fact that we were giving him access, i hit the it explains pretty well why secretary haggle has demanded, ordered a review of both physical and personnel at military facilities. it is inexcusable. i will say, i think as we begin to understand how many people have security clearances, how long they keep them. the sort of, this was, he had a secret level security clearance. there was much less work and effort put into it.
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still, anderson, for all of that. >> a relevant testifily low level. top secret is a standard 134. >> top secret is a high level. there is nor scrutiny and additional levels beyond that. but even for a secret level clearance, these things, the arrests should have been picked up. was this man suitable to hold, to have access and hold a security clearance? i think not. so the navy needs to understand why these, all these flags were missed. >> does it surprise you that this defense contractor didn't seem to have caught these other incidents? >> well, i think it's unusual. certainly, when you are hiring contractors, you want to make sure they are providing the most scrutiny. not just for the physical issues we saw yesterday where people were killed but also national security. the concern that somebody might be selling secrets to a foreign government or something of that nature, particularly when you are on a military installation. so those are absolutely the types of thing that should be given the utmost scrutiny highly sensitive area.
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>> the entire private industry that conducts these background checks for agency like the experts, you say they have serious problems. how in. >> well, anderson, let's be clear, right? so if you run a business that does security clearance reviews and investigations, the more investigations you do, and the more quickly you do them, the more money you make. and so the encentives on the private sector side are entirely geared to doing, providing the least amount of time and the least amount of effort to get to the men muslim standard to get these things out the door and to the government. they then go to the government at the office of personnel management for another review and ultimately to the department. in this case because he was a reservist, the navy granted that clearance and it would have been valid for ten years. one hassle to question why is it these arrests didn't trigger an interim review to see if he was suitable for this. he clearly was not. >> the newport police say they
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called the navy to let them know about the run in, that this contractor was saying he was hearing voices. that's the kind of things that should have been run. >> that's one of the things that causes great concern. if it was brought currently to navy officials. why wasn't that red plague investigated? that is certainly if type of thing you want to look at immediately, if you have somebody providing indication they have some mental issues and they have access to a sensitive facility. >> at the same time, fran, one doesn't want to stigmatize somebody with a mental illness or issue and make it so that they can't work. >> that's absolutely right, anderson, but let's remember, access to a military facility or to a security clearance, this isn't a right. it's a privilege. and will is much about the case and the kind of flags that we see that should have been obvious to others, much like the nadal hassan case the ft. hood shooter. these are things, wheel we want to respect people's privacy. we want to encourage people to get mental health counseling if
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they need it. these are the sort of things when people have access to military enfallingation, weapons and classified sensitive information that has to be brought into the system, integrated so that the government can protect itself and its people. >> right. >> fran townsend, i appreciate it. ahead, i'm going to speak with the husband and the daughter of kathy gaarde. they want you to know about her life. about the life she lived, about the woman she was, the mom, the wife. they want you to know about the woman that's been taken from them. >> we have these periods of numbness, it's like i just feel nothing. something, whether it be a bill on the counter or she was in the bathroom, she recently bought me new towels and i see the towels and just the it all hits.
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>> hey, welcome back to our live coverage from washington, d.c. every one of the 12 people killed yesterday was obviously a special person, special the to ones they were loved and loved by in return. kathy gaarde was 62-years-old. she lived in woodbridge virginia with her husband of 38 years. they had been together 43 years. doug told me kathy was a devoted daughter and took care of her aging mom. she also loved professional ice hockey. for years, they have season tickets to the washington capitols. she had a soft spot in her heart for animals. we feel it's essential to remember those whose lives have been taken, to remember the
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people they were. the lives that they lived. people who innocently went to work yesterday morning never to return again to their families. in their grief, douglas gaarde and his daughter jessica spoke to us about kathy. what do you want people to know about kathy? >> i guess what i want them to know most about her what a caring person she was, particularly how she cared about her family. some mentioned she took care of her mother who was living with us for ten years. she moved in when she was about 85 and lived here until she was 94. that's a lot to take on when you are a full-time mom and a full-time worker and she did a great job of that. in addition to raising our two kids, jessica. >> she loved nature. she loved animals? >> she loved animals. we've got them tied up. we got two dogs, two cats. and that's actually down from
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what we used to have. >> wow. >> what do you want people to know, jessica? >> i guess in addition to what my dad is saying, i just with everything going on, i want them to know she lives. she is not a number. >> you want them to know the person she was and the life she led in. >> yes. because she was so caring and she would do anything for anyone she loved. and she really did have a deep heart for animals, no matter what that caused, if q1 of her animals was sick. she would do everything that needed to be done to make sure they were okay. >> you were planning retirement.
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>> i am basically retired. she was. we were trying to pick the best time for her to retire. she was pretty much planning on probably this january, towards end of the year, unless sometimes they offer buyouts when the budget gets in that kind of situation. so she might have left a little bit earlier. >> she could have already retired? >> oh, yeah, she was 62 with what 33 years of government service, so that's, would have been very comfortable with them, but -- >> does it seem real at this point? >> for me, it's very surreal, but it's also, it's like a constant tsunami because i have these pains of numbness like the water is receding and i feel nothing and then something, whether it be a bill on the counter, or heck i was in the bathroom and she recently bought me new towels and i just see the
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towels and just it all hits. >> it comes in waves? >> yeah. and it's -- >> you went down there yesterday? >> yeah, i was sitting at my computer, actually, she had sent an e-mail to me about 10 to 8:00. that was the last i heard from her. of course, as the day wore on, you know, at first you don't think, there's 3,000 people in there. what are the chances of her being one of the ten that was zwrurd? but as it gets later in the day, you know if she was able to get to the phone, she would have called home and then i kind of kept it from jessica. i didn't bother telling her while she was at work. but when it was time to come home, she found out. when she called me, that's when i told her, okay. you come ohio take care of the
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dogs. i'll go down to the parking lot down there and meet kathy there, hopefully and i got down there and it was probably about that time, i guess it was about 7:00 or so, they were down to the last, there was about maybe four or five series of buses still coming through. but just the later it got the more desperate i got. it wasn't until later that i had got an call if one of my wife's co-workers who said she had talked to some of her co-workers and they had seen kathy was one of the ones that was hit. and at that point. >> one of her co-workers actually saw her? >> yeah, saw that she was one of the ones that had been hit and at that point i kind of said, lock, this is crap. you know, you guys, you got to tell me what's going on. it was at that point that they went back to the further end behind the gates of the stadium there and came back out and they said, yeah, she was one of the
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ones that was hit. >> how do you, i mean, how do you deal with something like this? how do you get through in. >> i don't know. i haven't done it yet. i mean -- i've lost my parents. so i know what that's like and i'm not going to say i know what you feel. but i know that your life goes on beyond your parents. i don't know where my life goes now. she was my partner. we had plans to do things and now it's gone. so i want my kids, you know, to have their own lives, and so i don't know. >> it's incredible you had 43 years together. >> yeah, it is. it's incredible on the one hand
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and it's a huge loss on the other. likes i said, where i was going before, i don't know where i go after this. i mean, you just go on, i guess. >> it's hard to imagine life without her? >> i mean, i only had 20 years of life without her and 343 with her. so that's two-thirds of my life. she was always the, always part. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. i wish you peace and strength in the days ahead. >> thank you. >> 43 years of life together, all ended just yesterday. we are trying as much as possible to obviously honor the privacy of all those families who have been affected. we don't want to intrude on anybody's grief, i do want to tell you about their loved ones and so we want to provide that
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a shotgun into federal building 197. they say he broke it down, put it in a bag and re-assembled it in the building. recordings inside the building capture what happened moment by moment next. >> we got a report on the 4th floor, a male with a shotgun, eh, multiple shots fired, multiple people down. >> we have conflicts reports about the scene's security. so we're figuring it now. >> right now police confirm five people shot, there could be others. >> can you tell us to which facility so far? >> you'll units in the main triage group node to move west. the ambulances are in lean, move west away out of the line of fire. >> we have an officer down building 1 and 7 on the 3rd floor. also a female shot on the roof of building 1333, a female on
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the roof. >> we are doing a sweep of the building, for security. we still have a second suspect possible in. so the scene is not secure. >> well, terry durham was right in the middle of it all. she actually saw the shooter, could easily have become a victim herself. listen to what we told reporters as the scene unfolded yesterday. >> he was far enough down the hall, we could see miss face. he raised and fired and hit high on the wall just as we were trying to leave. >> what was going through your mind? >> get everyone out of the building right now. get everyone out of the building because will is someone shooting. >> and terry durham joins us on the enfor the. terry, first of all, i'm so glad you are okay. if you can, walk us through what happened yesterday. you originally thought there was a fire. >> yes, anderson the fire alarm had gone off in the building for a brief time and an announcement came on there was a fire
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emergency. we were told to evacuate the building. though we were going into our standard protocol for that. getting our identity cards, our notebooks to muster everyone, shutting the door, evacuating the building as quickly as we could. as we started to leave our office, a number of people came running from the outside into our space just saying, "got out of the building now! get out of the building now. ! i had not been aware there was a shooting. although, some people had heard that. they were in such a hurry, i assumed there was a fire emergency in the building. so we got the front doors shut. we were heading into the back hallway which would take us into a short passageway to the stairwell to get out. it was at that point in time that four of us were stantding there and we saw what was turned out to be the gunman standing down about halfway down our
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hallway. we saw him moving, he said nothing. he held something up and the next thing we knew, he was shooting at us. >> so you didn't actually see the weapon in his hand, was it -- why not? >> he was far enough away that you knew he was holding something long in his hands. we didn't even, i just didn't realize he was holding a weapon in his hand until he actually show. i kept thinking what is he doing? there was a fire in the building with knee need to get out. then we started hearing the pop-pop sound t. guys with me started joke. i saw a round hit not too far from us and he had missed us completely and then we realized he was shooting. >> oh my gosh. so he was aiming right at you and he never said anything? >> he never said a word and when we started talking about it, we realized he had taken dead aim on us directly down the hall.
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he had a straight shot at us and he somehow missed us. we den know how that happened. >> i am so glad he did. i know you lost friends yesterday. i am so sorry for your loss. thank you for taking the time to talk to us. >> thank you, anderson. coming up, surveying the damage in colorado. the search and rescue operations there continue after devastating flooding. we will take you out to the fema team to see why more than 6,000 residents have applied for help. later, authorities now know they think what caused that new jersey fire that had to be rebuilt after super storm sandy. details on that ahead.
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>> welcome back. rescuers in colorado are helping people cut off. the national guard says the air rescues currently happening in colorado may be the largest evacuations since hurricane katrina. the number of people unaccounted for continues to drop. most of the people on that list are probably alive but have no way to get in touch with authorities. the death toll was revised to six. now the damage is epic. >> reporter: just days ago, this was a desirable place to live. a small creek lined with homes and walkways, now a raging
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waterwa waterway. >> listen for water signals. work this housework around. this is actually not the river, either. this is the street. >> reporter: door by door, fema task force teams look for people and warn them it's not safe to be here. >> if house is complete, vacant. next building recon. >> it's been days of dramatic rescues through these treacherous mountain canyon, hundreds plucked out of desperate conditions here by the national guard. these are the people waveing and signaling to rescuers who have run out of food, water, play praying for dry land. officials estimate only a few hundred residents may remain in flooded areas and not all of them want to go. in this neighborhood the team comes across this resident who refuses to leave. >> when we leave, we really can't. will is no way to police this whole area. so if they're here, we definitely, if they fall in,
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it's going to become a rescue scenario for us. we are going to have to be going in after them. >> reporter: the terrain has been completely redrawn through much of boulder counties. from where i'm standing, this used to be the road. right in front of me, this is a new waterway t. stream used to be all the way over there. it used to be a small stream. can you see it's now a raging river. the road in front of the house was ironically called stream crest road. the new stream now surrounds his hom home. >> my son grew up here, i mean, it's so beautif. >> it's extraordinary to see
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tloifrs which used to be little streams, what happens to the residents who decide to stay in them and need help later on? >> well, frankly, anderson, they actually have to get rescued. that really puts the search and rescue teams in a tough spot. you can see how fast the water is behind me. that's hang all over this region. if you get in trouble, you have to have rescue. that's what these guys are trained to do. the hard part is, though, please listen to them. >> that is the request from the people plucking you out of these dangerous situation, anderson. >> all right. appreciate it. thanks, very much. late word on another disaster. >> that one in new jersey. we now know what caused that fire, destroyed a massive expansion of the new jersey boardwalk last week. it's been ruled accidental. authorities said the blaze was likely sparked by electrical wiring damaged by super storm sandy. we'll be right back. what's your function? ♪rn ♪ hooking up the country helping business run ♪
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