thauk you for watching with michaela, kate and me. >> "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the newsroom, desperate but determined. >> have you ever seen it like this? >> no. >> colorado copes as families who lost everything but hope begin to clean up. >> our basement was filled with five feet of water in the first 20 minutes. also, pastor rick warren opens up. >> nancy was not afraid to die. he was afraid of pain. >> in his first interview since his son's tragic suicide, the author of "the purpose driven life" sits down with cnn. >> i'll do anything to help you live. i cannot help you take your life. plus, dramatic new details emerging this morning on the

navy yard shooter. >> we've got a report on the fourth floor. a man with a shotgun. >> aaron alexis. the gun trail and the voices he said he heard in his head. >> it almost seems this was the type of thing that was bound to happen. >> our pamela brown and the stunning new developments. and siri mans up. >> let me think. okay. here you go. >> and gets an overhaul. you're live in the "cnn you're live in the "cnn newsroom". -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning. i'm carol costello. we do begin with breaking news this morning from the housing market. higher mortgage rates appear to be taking their toll. new data out just minutes ago show builders began work last month on far fewer homes than projected. while the pace of new home construction increased over july, it wasn't nearly as much as experts had expected. a number of new home permits also dropped nearly 4%. christine romans is in new york to tell us what this means. good morning. >> good morning, carol.

each piece of housing data so critical because this has been a bright spot in the economy. let me show you quickly the trend here for housing starts. again, this is construction of new homes. how are home builders feeling? are they getting access to credit? do they feel -- do they feel solid enough about the economy that they're willing to spend all this money to break ground? that's what you can see the trend here, not as rich as it was in the earlier part of the year. here's what we're watching closely. the rising mortgage rates. mortgage rates have been rising so far this year. now about 4.57% for a 30-year fixed rate mortgage. that steady climb here so far this year, the highest in two years. will rising mortgage rates, carol, start to dampen or cool what we have seen in the housing market? this one bright spot in the economy. will the fed, if it does its so-called taper, pulling back on all that stimulus it's putting into the economy, that stimulus is buying mortgage backed securities, buying treasuries. if the fed starts to do that and does it more quickly than expected, it could send mortgage rates up maybe 5% by early

spring would be a 30-year fixed rate mortgage. that's something everybody in the housing market right now, carol, is very closely watching. >> i know there's a big meeting at 2:00 p.m. eastern. of course, cnn will cover that. christine romans reporting live from new york this morning. coated in mud and still awash in misery, thousands of people return to flood ravaged homes in colorado and find their lives, well, much of their lives, their physical lives, what they own, i should say, in ruin. >> it's worse than i thought it would be. we lost absolutely everything we own. >> homes ripped apart. families separated. hundreds are still waiting to hear from loved ones who vanished in the deadly floods. >> i know they've all been out looking for him. >> what we've gotten is more love than i had ever known existed. >> days in limbo and answers

still out of reach. colorado grapples with the devastation. cnn's george howell has been following this unfolding disaster. he's in boulder this morning. good morning, george. >> reporter: carol, good morning. what a dramatic six days. from heavy rain to flash flooding to rivers that at one point overflowed their banks, it has been a dramatic six days. now it's about the rescue and recovery operation. now it's about picking up the pieces. and the story of one family that we chronicled shows you what a lot of families out here are left to deal with. >> yesterday we cut up all the carpet and smashed out most of the drywall and pulled down almost all the insulation. >> reporter: the basement -- >> the water line here. >> reporter: trashed. >> you can go first. >> reporter: on his front lawn, there's debris all over. still, michael birdsong considers himself lucky. >> last day or two we've actually been able to turn the corner. that first 60 hours was crazy. you know. >> reporter: we do know.

we were there friday. his wife, friends and family scrambled to hold back a seemingly endless river rushing straight down their street. have you ever seen it like this? >> no. i've never seen it like this before ever. it's yjust amazing. i'm trying to keep averting the water that keeps rising. >> reporter: a muddy, desperate fight with shovels, buckets, and boards. but as it happened in so many neighborhoods, 16th and iris was no match for mother nature. more than 19,000 properties were either damaged or destroyed in these deadly storms. most residents forced to evacuate their homes, managed to make it to safety. more than 1,000 had to be rescued by air. and for those who are still stranded in hard to reach places, dramatic air rescues

happen to this day. birdsong knows what he was up against. >> our basement filled with five feet of water in the first 20 minutes. >> reporter: could have been much worse. >> thankfully, i have some of the best friends, neighbors, a acquaintances. that's the reason we still have a house right now. >> reporter: in the losses column, there's a lot of catching up to do. to put a dollar estimate on this, what would you think? >> we're already planning for probably about $50,000, $60,000. to get it all redone, you know. >> reporter: but there's one thing he found. >> it was laying right here in the mud. i just happened to see the logo. >> reporter: that makes all the hard work these past few days a little more worthwhile. >> a ticket from an old university of colorado basketball game that i went with, with my dad. it was 1995. i was still in school there. >> reporter: a precious piece of

his own history. surprisingly washed up by an historic storm. >> so a bright spot there for michael birdsong after the mess that he went through, that you saw there. that's really the story for most people out here. however, for 306 people, for the families and friends of 306 people who are still unaccounted for, it's all about the search for survivors. carol, that search continues today. >> still so many missing. not accounted for. george howell reporting live from boulder, colorado, this morning. his motive remains unclear. we're getting a sharper look into the mind set of the man who killed 12 people in washington's navy yard. about a month ago aaron alexis told police about the voices in his head. and the people talking through walls and using microwaves to keep him awake. now two days after the deadly shooting, the navy yard in washington remains a crime scene and off limits to all but essential personnel. we finally know how he got a gun, how aaron alexis got a gun

into building 197 without anyone becoming suspicious. cnn's pamela brown joins us now from washington with that part of the story. good morning, pamela. >> reporter: good morning to you, carol. if you look at a timeline of aaron alexis's movements in the months leading up to the shooting, it's clear that he was becoming increasingly troubled. in fact, police notified the navy about a disturbing incident involving alexis back in august. yet despite all the red flags, his security clearance was not taken away and nothing prevented him from walking into building 197 and opening fire. this morning we're learning new details about how aaron alexis brought a gun on to the washington navy yard. a federal law enforcement official tells cnn that the gunman entered building 197 with a small bag. it's believed to have carried a disassembled remmington 870 shotgun. he's then seen on surveillance video ducking into a bathroom with the bag and emerging

seconds later with a gun. moments later he opens fire. >> we have a report on the fourth floor. a male with a shotgun. multiple shots fired. multiple people down. >> reporter: as investigators continue poring over alexis's life, the trail of red flags leading to monday's massacre is troubling. august 7th, he calls rhode island police complaining of hearing voices coming through the walls of his hotel room. according to this police department, alexis said those voices were sending vibrations into his body using some sort of microwave machine. august 25th, alexis arrives in the washington area where he contacts a va hospital for a second time for sleep problems. september 14th, two days before the shooting, alexis stops at this small arms range in lorton, virginia. an attorney for the gun range says alexis practiced shooting. then paid $419 for a gun and two boxes of ammunition.

and on monday, he accessed the navy yard with legitimate id and proper security clearance. >> in a case like this where you've got so many red flags over a protracted period of time, i mean, it almost seems that this was the type of thing that was bound to happen. >> reporter: even more troubling, alexis's record while serving as a navy reservist. eight instances of misconduct including insubordination, disorderly conduct and unauthorized absences from work. >> it's easy now to look back and piece it all together and say somebody should have known. if you think about it over a long period of time it's a little more challenging. >> reporter: he was honorably discharged in 2011 and retained his navy issued security clearance, which is good for ten years. the defense contractor he was working for has now pointed the finger at the military for overlooking his misconduct as a civilian and during his service. >> looking at his offenses while he was in the navy, offenses while he was in uniform, none of this give you an indication that he was capable of this sort of brutal, vicious violence.

>> reporter: investigators are now collecting evidence from multiple crime scenes. towing away his rental car. removing boxes of materials from his hotel room. interviewing family members in brooklyn. all in hope of understanding why he did this. in the wake of the shooting, the administration has announced three investigations. navy secretary ray mabus announced a rapid review of security at all navy and marine corps installations. the white house says the office of management and budget will re-examine the standard for federal contractors and employees. cnn has learned defense secretary chuck hagel is ordering a review of all military installations worldwide. we expect to find out more information about what that will entail sometime later today. carol? >> pamela brown reporting live this morning from washington, d.c. new details in the death of an unarmed man shot and killed by a police officer in charlotte, north carolina. police say this man, jonathan ferrell, was looking for help

after he got into a car accident. he banged on the door of a nearby home. you know, he wanted to get some help. the homeowner panicked and called 911. >> is he still in the house? did he leave yet? >> no. he's not in the house, he's in the front yard yelling. oh, my god. please. oh, my god, i can't believe i opened the door, what the [ bleep ] is wrong with me? >> you panicked. you weren't sure what to do. you say he kicked in the door after he realized it wasn't your husband? >> oh, yeah. >> okay. all right. >> i'm just glad i got that door shut. >> the officer that responded to the scene of the incident ended up shooting at ferrell 12 times. ten of the shots hit ferrell. the cop behind the trigger is now facing charges. cnn's alina machado is live in charlotte with more on the story. good morning, alina. >> reporter: good morning, carol. in that 17-minute 911 call, you don't actually hear the shooting, but you do get a better sense of what police

officers thought they were responding to. charlotte police believed jonathan ferrell came to this house looking for help after surviving a car crash just down the street. it was saturday, about 2:30 in the morning. the woman inside panicked and called 911. >> i need help. >> where are you at? >> there's a guy breaking in my front door. >> there's a guy breaking in your front door? >> yeah. he's trying to kick it down. >> reporter: the homeowner pleads for help. >> he's in the front yard yelling. oh, my god. please. >> reporter: police say ferrell was unarmed when he approached the three officers who responded. one of them used a taser to try to subdue ferrell without success. police say officer randall kerrick fired 12 shots. ten hit ferrell, killing him. dash cam video has not yet been released, but an attorney representing the ferrell family says they have met with police and seen the video from that night. >> you can see, you can tell he's unarmed. he begins to approach the officers, and there are

immediately two dots, laser beams in the center of his chest. then he gets excited, he's like, wait, wait, wait. you know, stop. he's coming forward saying stop. he goes off the camera and you just hear shots. one, two, three, four. pause. one, two, three, four, five, six. pause. one, two. >> reporter: police say officer kerrick told investigators right after the shooting, quote, the suspect assaulted him by unknown means. and he had, quote, apparent minor injuries, but refused treatment. still, police say the shooting was excessive and charged kerrick with felony voluntary manslaughter. >> we're confident at the conclusion of this case we're confident his actions were justified. >> reporter: ferrell's mother says she forgives the officer who killed her son. >> i pray for him each and every day. but i do want justice. >> reporter: now, officer kerrick is free on bond. it is unclear at this point if police will be releasing this dash cam video.

the family attorney says it answers many questions, even though police say it does not show the actual shooting. carol? >> alina machado reporting live from north carolina this morning. thank you. straight ahead on the "newsroom," starbucks telling gun owners, leave your weapons at home. howard schultz sits down in a cnn exclusive. plus, caught on camera. a burglary suspect tries to jump out of a moving police car, reaching out of the window trying to unlock the door. also, cheek to cheek. a face first slide. and he still didn't steal the base. "newsroom" is back after a break. ♪ [ jen garner ] what skincare brand is so effective... so trusted... so clinically proven dermatologists recommend it twice as much

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♪ "first day of my life" by bright eyes ♪ you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. starbucks has a new message for gun owners. the coffee giant got pulled into the gun debate last month when some gun owners praised its policy of allowing weapons into starbucks stores where it's not prohibited by state law. cnn's poppy harlow sat down with an exclusive interview with the ceo. >> we're not pro or anti-gun. however, we do believe that guns

should not be part of the starbucks experience. and as a result of that -- making that decision, we are respectfully requesting that those customers who are carrying a gun just honor the request and not bring the gun into starbucks. >> schultz added that starbucks isn't banning weapons from its stores. customers who bring guns into the store will still be served. they will not be asked to leave. but schultz is just saying, please, don't do it. the man behind the deadly shooting at washington's navy yard had a history of violence with weapons and a history of arrests and anger issues. yet aaron alexis legally brought a shotgun in virginia, which he then used to gun down 12 people on monday. this morning i'd like to talk not about gun control but the gun laws already on the books. laws many say ought to be enough to stop many instances of gun violence. joseph green is a retired atf agent. thanks for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> it's a tough conversation.

i know a controversial one. so bear with me here. let me take you back to 2004. aaron alexis shot out the tires of a car with a gun because he thought the owners disrespected him. alexis then told police he blacked out because he was so angry, doesn't even remember the incident. he was only charged with malicious mischief. now, if i was the owner of that car, that would really frighten me that someone shot out my tires with a gun. should he have been charged with a more serious offense? >> well, you would certainly be frightened if he shot your car you might be the next target. however, you'd have to talk to the police department that did the actual investigation into that shooting incident. they may have come up with some information that he provided as to why he shouldn't have been charged with a more serious crime. >> well, you have a lot of experience with gun laws and people who use guns. in your mind, hindsight is 20/20. i realize that. it certainly was an early warning sign of things to come

in this instance. >> it was a warning sign. the talk that's been going on for the past couple days is how did this individual actually get firearms. i think the important fact to remember is that under the gun control act, this individual was not prohibited from purchasing firearms. he wasn't a convicted felon. he was not an illegal alien. he was not dishonorably discharged from the military. nor was he found mentally defective by a court. therefore he was able to go into a gun store and buy a gun. >> let's talk about that. he bought the gun in virginia. and he didn't live in virginia. he was an out of state resident. he was able to buy a shotgun if he passed a background check in virginia, which he did. he could buy a shotgun, but he could not buy a handgun. >> yes. >> why? >> there are certain provisions and exceptions in the gun control act about sporting guns and rifles. but we also have to look and see what type of identification he provided to the gun dealer. did he provide maybe a fictitious driver's license saying that he was a resident of that state? all of that would be on the atf

form 4473 which would be firearms transaction record. it's filled out by the purchaser and the dealer. we know the gun has been traced by atf and that information has been provided to the fbi and metropolitan police department. they would be able to exactly tell you what he used for identification to purchase that weapon. >> well, according to the associated press, the firearms owners protection act was passed by congress in 1986. it opened up interstate sales for shotguns and rifles. in other words, it made it more convenient for out of state gun buyers. it also made it more convenient for people like aaron alexis. now, i'm not naive. i don't think this law will ever change. but when we hear we already have effective laws on the books to keep dangerous people from buying guns, is that really true? >> well, carol, there's two ways to look at this. you have one side of the group that says on the firearms issue we need more laws. there's the other side that says there's enough laws on the book. right now there are enough laws

on the books. the laws especially dealing with prohibited persons need to be looked at a little more carefully. maybe tweaked a little. we don't need to legislate new laws. let's take a look at the laws that are already on the book and see how they can better serve law enforcement so they can do their job and better protect the american public. >> joseph greene, former atf agent, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much. still to come, a father buries his son. a young man who struggled with mental illness. >> we knew that this day might happen some day. but it's a day no parent wants. it's your worst nightmare. and i'll never forget -- i'll never forget the agony of that moment. >> that is pastor rick warren. he gives his first interview since his son matthew's suicide. i'm on expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations

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pastor rick warren said his son matthew had a tender heart and tortured mind. pastor and best selling author is speaking out about his son's suicide to bring attention to the issue of mental illness.

warren and his wife kay appeared on cnn's piers morgan live for their first interview since matthew's death. >> matthew was not afraid to die. he was afraid of pain. i remember ten years ago when he was 17, he came to me sobbing. and he said, daddy, he said, it's really clear. i'm not going to get any better. we've gone to the best doctors. the best hospitals. the best treatments. therapists. prayer. everything you can imagine. good support. and he says, it's real clear, i'm not going to get any better. so why can't i just die? i know i'm going to heaven. i know i'm going to heaven, so why can't i? he was not afraid to die. >> what did you say to him, rick? >> in that situation i said, matthew, the reason why is there is a purpose, even in our pain. and i am not willing to just give up and say that the solution isn't there. you might give up. but as your father, as your mother, we're not ever giving up that we won't find the solution. because i really believe matthew

could have been a great advocate for children in the world. he was an amazingly compassionate kid. he had an ability to walk into a room, and he would -- instantly knew who was in the most pain in that room. it was like his antenna was up. he would feel it. he would make a beeline to that person. for the rest of that party, that entire time, he would spend the time talking to that person, trying to cheer them up, encourage them. he would say, dad, i can help a lot of other people. i just can't get it to work for me. >> rick warren said he's cried every day since matthew's death but he calls that grief a good thing. a way to get through the transitions in life. here's a look at what's coming up tonight on cnn starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern. >> cnn tonight. at 7:00, erin burnett out front. controversy and the crown. new miss america responds to racist comments over her win. at 8:00 on anderson cooper 360

remembers the victims who lost their lives in the navy yard shooting. at 9:00 on "piers morgan live." it's a deadly combination. guns and mental illness. >> there's no way guns should ever get in the hands of a mentally ill person. >> from the suicide of rick warren's son to the shooting at washington navy yard, piers asks the experts, can anything be done? all cnn tonight. starting with "erin burnett" out front at 7:00. "anderson cooper 360" at 8:00. "pier "piers morgan live" at 9:00. all tonight on cnn.

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good morning. thank you so much for joining me. i'm carol costello. were the signs there before the navy yard shooting and we just missed them? bonito bell ran into aaron alexis, the navy yard shooter, twice last week at this washington hotel where they both were staying. as she told cnn's joe johns, the second meeting was a lot different than the first. >> i ran into him again on wednesday. and his countenance was markedly different on wednesday. >> reporter: how so? >> he was very hurried. he said he was extremely tired. he said, i'm tired. i'm exhausted. i've got to go. i've got to go. i'm going to take my food up to the room. >> reporter: did you get a sense that he was troubled? >> his demeanor on wednesday was, as i say, the antithesis of

tuesday. so he did appear troubled. he appeared stressed. >> he appeared stressed. he appeared troubled. many in this nation just toedon get mental illness. we suspect somebody might be mentally ill when we see it. we have no clue what to do. sometimes it's not our fault. jeff gardere is a forensic and clinical psychologist. good morning, dr. jeff. >> good morning, carol. >> what could we have done if we had met aaron alexis last week when he went through this personality change in a number of days? >> well, here's the issue. the issue is, connecting the dots. we just don't have enough information, people talking to one another, to be able to take these isolated incidents, put them together and get a comprehensive picture as to what is going on with that individual psychiatrically. but i would say to anyone listening, watching today, that if you see someone who is is

stre stressed in that way and it is a marked change from his usual demeanor, that you ask that person what's going on. but you also offer any kind of assistance you can right from a shoulder and an ear to actually saying to them, i will accompany you to your family doctor or to see a therapist or let's even go to an emergency room if you're thinking about hurting yourself or even someone else. >> again, hindsight is 20/20. but you could see that alexis was sort of crying out for help. for example, he called the rhode island police last month. said he was hearing voices coming through the walls and other very strange things. rhode island police, due diligence, they called the navy. told the navy about this. it's not clear what the navy did about this. but there were -- there were signs out there that this man was suffering from some sort of mental illness. >> well, those were very clear signs. again, as you know me, i don't like to point fingers. i'm not into the blame game. but if you're calling a police department and you're saying

that you are hearing voices or, as he said, your microwave is sending vibrations through your body, there are people listening to you and following you, your job as a law enforcement is to say, let's come to you right away. you're calling us. let's take you to an emergency room. the naval folks who were contacted, i don't know how they handled the situation. but clearly someone dropped the ball here. again, 20/20 hindsight. maybe they felt it wasn't something that was as serious. now that we look at it, those were very clear indicators. i hope we learn from this as mental health and law enforcement professionals. >> you know, it just strikes me, another example of how we really don't understand mental illness. i frankly think most in this country are afraid of it. they don't know how to handle it. i'm going to give you the example of amanda bynes. everybody in this country knew, right, amanda bynes was suffering from something. what did we do for the longest

time? we laughed at her. we fed into her mental illness via twitter. answering these bizarre tweets she would send out knowing there's something seriously wrong with this young woman. why do we do that? >> because it is a clear ignorance. you're right. when it comes to mental health issues. there's certainly been enough stories that certainly you have covered here at cnn where actually we know what mental illness looks like. and then we look at these celebrities, we laugh at them. we think that they're just acting out. that it's just they're trying to get attention. but, yes, it is getting attention, but not the attention of the media, but the attention of loved ones. the attention of professionals who are saying, you know, they're pretty much saying we need to get some treatment. i hope we learn from amanda bynes and we learn from others who have clearly indicated that they are troubled. >> dr. jeff, thanks as always. i know there are no easy answers

here. but at least you helped us kind of understand it. thanks, dr. jeff. we appreciate it. >> pleasure, carol. still to come in the "newsroom," the family of a woman killed at the navy yard speaks out on cnn. >> i guess what i want them to know most about her is what a caring person she was. particularly how she cared about her family. >> and i want them to know she lived. she's not a number. >> more of our exclusive emotional interview after this.

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she is not a number. he is not a statistic. that's what family members of victims from the navy yard shooting want people to know. kathy gaarde was among the 12 people shot to death monday morning. she was 62 years old. here she is with her 94-year-old

grandmother. she cared for her grandma. her husband and daughter sat down exclusively with cnn's anderson cooper to talk about kathy and what made her special. >> i guess what i want them to know most about her is what a caring person she was. particularly how she cared about her family. as i mentioned, we took care -- or she took care of her mother who's lived with us for ten years. she moved here when she was about 85. lived here till she was 94. that's a lot to take on when you're, you know, a full-time mom and full-time worker. she did a great job of that in addition to raising our two kids. which, of course -- >> she loved nature. she loved animals. >> she loved animals. we've got them tied up, but we've got two dogs and two cats. that's actually down from the number we used to have.

>> used to have more than that? >> yeah. a houseful. >> what do you want people to know, jessica. >> i guess, in addition to what my dad is saying, i -- just with everything going on i want them to know she lived. she's not a number. or some statistic. >> you want them to know the person that she was and the life that she lived. >> yes. because she was so caring. and she would do anything for anyone she loved. and she really did have a deep heart for animals. no matter what the cost, if one of our animals was sick, she would do everything that needed to be done to make sure they were okay. >> you were planning retirement? >> i am basically retired.

she was -- we were trying to pick the best time for her to retire. she was pretty much planning on probably this january, toward the end of the year. unless -- sometimes they offer buyouts when the budget gets in that situation. she might have left a little bit earlier. >> she could have already retired? >> oh, yeah. she was 62 with 33 years of government service. so we'd have been very comfortable. >> does it seem real at this point? >> for me, it's very surreal. also a constant tsunami. i have these periods of numbness where the water is receding and i just feel nothing. or something, whether it be a bill on the counter or, heck, i was in the bathroom and she recently bought me new towels. i just see the towel and just

all hits. >> comes in waves. >> yeah. >> you went down there yesterday. >> yeah. i was sitting at my computer. actually, she had sent an e-mail to me about ten till 8:00. that was the last i heard from her. of course, as the day wore on, you know, at first you don't think it could happen to her. i mean, there's 3,000 people in there. what are the chances of her being one of the ten that was injured? but as it gets later in the day and you know if she was able to get to the phone she would have called home. and then i kind of kept it from jessica. didn't bother telling her while she was at work. when it was time to come home, she found out. when she called me, that's when i told her, okay. you come home. take care of the dogs. i'll go down to the parking lot

down there and meet kathy there, hopefully. and i got down there and it was probably about that time. i guess it was about 7:00 or so. there was about, maybe, four or five series of buses still coming through. but just the later it got, the more desperate i got. it wasn't until later that i'd gotten the call from one of my wife's co-workers who said that she had talked to some of her co-workers and that they had seen kathy was one of the ones who was hit. >> one of her co-workers actually saw her? >> yeah. saw that she was one of the ones who had been hit. and at that point i kind of said, look, this is crap. you guys -- you got to tell me what's going on. then it was at that point that they went back to the room, farther in behind the gates of the stadium there. and came back out and they said, yeah, she was one of the ones. that was it.

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navy yard shooting. what happened in the shooter's last days and how did the gun battle with police play out? the reality is i couldn't go in my own restaurant, i couldn't go into any restaurant. >> he can normally eat out wherever he wants but this week the ceo of panera is eating on less than 5 bucks a day. i talk with him about his food stamp challenge. "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for being with me. congress and the white house have just 12 days to avert a possible government shutdown. yes, we're talking about that again. while house republicans are looking to vote on a bill to keep the 0 government running they could tie that legislation to a plan to defund obamacare. and that would certainly be a nonstarter with senate it democrats and the president. so we'expecting john barer to sk

at the moment about this piece of budget legislation with the obamacare part included. dana bash is in washington right now awaiting the speaker's remarks. tell us more, dana rnc. >> reporter: well, he's just finishing a meeting with his entire republican caucus happening just in the room next to is. we are awaiting his arrival and the rest of the republican leadership. this is something that's fair to say john boehner and most of his leaders wanted to avoid. when i say "this," it's effectively giving in to the conservatives in his caucus who want to tie funding the government to defunding the government obamacare. the reason he wanted to avoid it is because of the politics of a government shutdown. it's setting up in such a small window from now until september 30th, as you said, 12 days, a very high-stakes game of sort of back-and-forth with the house, led by republicans, if they put this on the floor, which looks

like they will, and the democrat-led senate which will obviously say no way they won't do this. as a matter of fact, the senate majority leader harry reid said yesterday this is the definition of insanity, thinking if you do something over and over again you'll get a different result. the bottom line is they understand in the republican leadership is th is probably the only way they can pass any measure to keep the government running. they're hoping at least maybe they're going to get this out of their system when it comes to convict turf sieves and hope they can figure a compromise out in the next 12 days. it is definitely something that republican leaders tried to avoid behind the scenes and didn't have much success. >> they'll pass something in the house that they know the senate won't pass and the president would veto because it's obamacare, his signature issue. okay. so when john boehner begins to speaking, i know you'll be listening to his remarks. we'll get back to you, dana bash live from washington. >> thanks, carol. how and why. those two key questions have investigators back at the navy

yard in washington again today. it's still an active crime scene. two days after aaron alexis walked into the building, building 197, and killed 12 people. but now we have a better idea of how an armed man got inside and the shooting battle with police that lasted more than an a half hour. cnn's evan perez joins us from washington with more on that. good morning. >> good morning, carol. the scene inside the navy yard this morning is the fbi is still there trying to catalog everything that went down, including all the shots fired. we now know the authorities tell us that this was a gun battle that lasted well over 30 minutes. apparently the suspect, aaron alexis, entered the washington navy yard with a small bag. he apparently had it in his car. he got into the building with his pass, went up to the fourth

floor, got into a bathroom, reassembled the remington 870 he was carrying and came out and started shooting. we're told that in about seven minutes the first police officers on the scene started firing back, and they continued with a running gun battle, essentially going down the halls. he was ducking in and out of rooms with the police officers essentially pursuing him and trying to bring him down. it lasted well over 30 minutes. altogether about 40, 45 minutes perhaps before they were able to bring him down, carol. >> so just to make it a little more clear, he goes into the bathroom, reassembles this shotgun, then does he go directly to the atrium and then shoots down the people. >> right. >> then this gun battle ensues. >> that's right. and we know that, according to the authorities, he somehow at some point one of the first people he shot was a guard. not only had this shotgun that he was carrying with buck shot, but he was also carrying a

handgun, which he was able to use both. now, we don't know exactly how many of the injuries and fatalities were caused by the shotgun and how many were caused by the handgun. that is something that the fbi is still working on on the scene today. we do know, though, that it was something straight out of a movie. you have a scene where officers are coming into the building and coming under fire. he is running from room to room, and they're pursuing him. it's an incredible scene. >> so he was never holed up in any room inside the building. that's just incredible. >> right. it was a chaotic scene, as you might imagine. >> evan perez, thanks so much. >> so when aaron alexis entered building 197 inside washington's navy yard monday, very few people were likely armed. at least inside the building. because most military personnel are not allowed to carry personal weapons unless there is

a specific and credible threat. now some say if everyone in the building had been able to carry arms, guns, the number of victims would have dropped dramatically. so let's talk about that. tom fuentes is a former fbi assistant director and cnn law enforcement analyst, also part of the fbi investigation into the 2008 mumbai hotel terrorist atta attack. good morning, tom. >> morning, carol. >> so let's go back to the story that evan perez just told all of our viewers, about what happened inside that building. police were running down halls, and there was this horrific gun battle going on. >> right. >> your thoughts on that. >> well, first of all, from a tact kell perspective -- i was a s.w.a.t. team member and s.w.a.t. team leader -- the lasting thing you want to be in is a situation where the bad guy has the high ground. in this case, when he's on the fourth floor, as police officers are arriving, he's looking down on them. that makes it a much more

difficult situation tactically to get to him. fortunately, they were able to get to him and eventually kill him to stop him from killing any more people. the notion that all 3,000 employees at this navy yard should be armed, would that have helped? possibly. and actually if all 3,000 were navy s.e.a.l.s it would have turned out better. but those suggestions are ridiculous. >> why are they ridiculous? >> most of the employees in a place like that are civilians, not military trained. you have analysts. you have a number of people that have not had the degree of firearms training. so the greater likelihood of danger is they might accidentally shoot themselves or somebody else if they don't have adequate training. just having more guns, again, it looks like in this case he was able to get ahold of one of the police officers or two of the police officers' guns to be able to sustain the gun battle in addition to his shotgun. so if you have 3,000 people in there with guns, that can give a

guy like that with a long-barrel weapon access to 3,000 more guns. so these are suggestions that are fanciful at best. >> and i was going to ask you that. there were people who were armed at the u.s. navy yard, right, and they were standing at the door? and they did not prevent this man from getting into the building and doing whatever he did. >> well, certainly, because he carried the gun dismantled in a bag. you have people that gain access to the president using their c.a.t. card, the military i.d. card. they go through the security gate in their car, whether it's personally owned or a rental. they can have a gym bag sitting next to them on the seat. nobody searches the cars, the drunks behind the driver's seat, any of that. a person coming in with a gym bag and most active duty military duty work out on a regular basis. somebody bringing a gym bag to work so they can do a lunch hour workout is not going to be unusual or anything that's going

to attract notice. he carries the bag into the building. nobody is going to search the bag on the way in. he's a card-carrying employee. then when he goes into a bathroom, then he comes out. he assembles the gun in the bathroom and comes out with it ready to go. so there's really no -- no way to really stop that. they can do will all the reviews in the world of these military bases. i don't think you'll see them suddenly implement full-body searches of every person entering the premises employees as well as visitors and full searches of every vehicle coming in. those doors will be lined out the door to the capitol building every morning. >> are you telling us there's no answer? what rule would you change? >> i'm telling you -- yeah, carol, i'm telling you there's likely not going to be much of a change, as is normally the case after every major shooting there's a lot of people, everybody scurries around, we're going to have hearings, discussions. and at the end of the day how much actually changes? and the other thing is, they're

talking about shutting the government down in two weeks. where are they going to get the personnel for increased background checks? i know there's been discussion that he had secret, not top-secret, which carried a ten-year term before reinvestigation. now, i've held top secret my whole career. that requires a five-year reinvestigation. so if you're going to increase secret to five years or one year or something closer in time, where are they going to get the personnel? and the people who do these pentagon background checks, by the way, are contractors themselves. so the other issue that comes up for congress is, we've got to downsize government. we can't have this many government employees, this many people working in the military. so the answer is they downsize employees and upsize contractors to make up because the work still has to get done. >> wow. i hear you. tom fuentes, thanks so much. >> you're welcome, carol. a bit of news just in to n

cnn. we are hearing multiple people have been killed in ottawa, c cana canada, when a city bus collided with a atrain. ottawa police now confirming there are multiple fatalities and at least a dozen more have been injured. spokesman for the fire department says all of the casualties are on the bus. it was a double-decker bus. of course we'll continue to monitor this for you and bring you updates. we're just getting word of this now. now to a cnn exclusive. starbucks ceo howard shulgchult asking customers not to bring gun to his coffee shops. he's not calling for a ban, though. poppy harlow joins me from new york with more. good morning, poppy. >> good morning, carol. this is a move we wouldn't see from a lot of ceos i think but starbucks says it has been thrust unwillingly lly into th deba debate. it is coming out saying we don't want your guns in any of our u.s. stores.

this is an open letter that howard schultz penned. it will run in newspapers across the country tomorrow morning, and he is not banning guns but saying, we do not want them in our stores. we talked to him about why. listen. why are you doing this, and why are you doing it right now? >> i think it's important to start the conversation by framing the fact that starbucks is not a policy-maker and we're not pro or anti-gun. however, we do believe that guns should not be part of the starbucks experience. as a result of that, making that decision, we are respectfully requesting that those customer whoz are carrying a gun just honor the request and not bring the gun into starbucks. we're also saying something else. this is not a ban. the reason it's not a ban is that we don't want to put our own people in a position of having to confront somebody who's carrying a weapon. so those customers who will bring in the gun -- we hope they

won't -- we'll still serve them, not ask them to leave. >> but still, i hear what he said. he's just talking about this just because. but something must have prompted him to say these things. >> a number of things are going on here, carol. 43 states are open carry states. that means if you have a legally licensed gun, you can carry it visibly and carry it into frankly most businesses. you can carry it into starbucks, walmart, target, duncan doughnuts, a few businesses ban them like amc theaters and pete's coffee. because of that, we've seen gatherings of pro-gun activists over the past few years and it's hatch ratcheted up. in newtown there was one planned last month where they come in with guns, post meetings in starbucks stores. howard schultz is clear, they're not welcome to do this. this is bothering most customers. they don't want to see it. but also what i think is interesting, the newtown action

alliance, family members of victims from that tragic shooting, penned a letter to schultz last month asking him to ban guns. so i think that played into it. that was not the decision maker, but this has been increasing and we're seeing it -- it's more visible in recent years and certainly recent months. so listen to him more on why he made this move and what exactly prompted it. in this letter you write about the open carry debate and write in part that that debate has become increasingly uncivil and in some cases even threatening on both sides. give me examples of what you've seen. >> well, i think we all can agree that there are few things in the life of american citizens that is as polarizing and as emotional as this particular issue. as a result of that, we've seen advocates on both sides of this debate use starbucks as a staging ground for their own motivations. and as a result of that, we have

been mischaracterized as being either pro or anti-gun. we're neither and we're not a policy-maker. we are a company that is in business to serve customers. and as a result of the misz characterization as well as a number of episodes in which people have walked into our stores carrying guns. customers have felt significantly uncomfortable. children have felt uncomfortable. >> so, poppy, that seems like kind of a cop-out to me. he's talked about a lot of social issues. he puts his views right out there. so why not say you're pro or anti-gun? >> i hear you. that was a question to him as well. starbucks has come out vocally pro-gay marriage. last year he will called on all americans to stop political donations until washington really got its act together. so they've been out in front with a clear, clear message on controversial topics. >> poppy? i'm sorry. i have to interrupt you, but the

house speaker, the republican john boehner, is now talking about the proposed budget and obamacare. let's listen. >> for legislation to cut spending and even president obama worked with us two years ago in the debt limit negotiations to put controls on spending. this year is not going to be any different. we're going to continue to do everything we can to repeal the president's failed health care law. this week the house will pass a cr that locks the sequester savings in and defunds obamacare. the president has signed seven bills over the last 2 1/2 years to make changes to obamacare and i sincerely hope our friends in the senate have plans to make this an eighth time. the law is a train wreck. the president has protected american big business. it's time to protect american families from this unworkable law. >> good morning.

first i want to express my deepest condolences to the families who have lost a loved one on monday in the horrific attack on the navy yard just blocks from capitol hill. it is in these tragic moments that we also witness the steel resolve of all those who serve our nation there as well as the first responders who came to help. now, we've just come out of our conference and had a very good discussion on our work on a budget naesh will continue our record of reduced government spending and deals head-on with obamacare. not since the korean war has the federal government reduced spending two years in a row. of we aim to make that happen, and we aim to put a stop to obamacare before it costs one more job or raises a family's out-of-pocket expenses one more dollar. and that fight will continue as

we negotiate the debt limit with the president and the senate. in the coming weeks, we will unveil -- in the coming week, we will unveil a plan to extend our nation's ability to borrow while delaying obamacare and protecting working middle class families from its horrific effects. those discussions will also focus on a path forward, on tax reform, and the keystone pipeline and a variety of other measures designed to lower energy prices, simplify our tax system, and get our economy going for the middle class working people of this country. together, we house republicans will not ignore the problem of our debt or the problems facing the working middle class of this count country. so we hope and we ask that this president finally engage with congress and work with us on behalf of the american families.

>> we all join with the comments that the leader made on the loss that we saw this monday. i tell you we just walked out of conference and i noticed all of you -- >> let's break away. you heard the house speaker john boehner and the majority leader eric cantor talking about this short-term spending bill they're going to introduce in the house of representatives. it would keept government running, but it would also dwund obamacare. and the reason that's important is that makes it much more likely that the government will shut down before lawmakers can come to any sort of growment over the budget. later today, president obama will speak at the business roundtable. that will happen around 10:45 eastern time. so if you president mentions this at 10:45 eastern time, of course we'll bring some of his remarks to you live. dana p bash is also listening to those republican lawmakers right now. when she gets out of that news conference, i suppose, we'll talk to her. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be back with much more in the "newsroom."

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right behind a strip mall, just to give you perspective, the water got into a lot of the businesses right up there. and to really show you where the water came from, if you come 0 down here, you can see the st. vrain river r river. i want to show you that bridge, this is a running trail, bike trail, that people around here take a great deal of pride in. the bridge is gone and dave, if you can pan over and show the sidewalk that got washed away. and then we found a few slabs of sidewalk that are still there in the river. you can see them. there's a lot of infrastructure that you find damaged, washed away, missing all over these parts. we did hear, though, that governor hickenlooper indicated that he hopes that this part of the state comes out better after this, simply because the federal government, because fema will help people start over, to help them rebuild, and that money may also help when it comes to rebuilding will some of these roads, bridges that were washed

away. keep in mind, the recovery effort continues. we also see the rescue effort continuing today. those helicopters doing their best to get to those hard to reach areas looking for survivors, people who may be missing or unaccounted for. as for the number of unaccounted for, carol, it is significantly down, now 306 people. that is great news, and the hope out here is that, as the rescue continues, more people will be found and crossed off that list. >> i hope so. george howell reporting live from boulder, colorado this morning. let's go back to our breaking news this morning out of ottawa, canada. the pictures are just horrific. these pictures are from our canadian affiliate c-tv. apparently a double-techer bus collided with a train. we're told there are multiple fatalities and at least a dozen more people have been injured. a spokesman for the fire department says all of the casualties are on the bus. here is a witness from our

affiliate c-tv. let's listen. >> i didn't hear much. all i felt was a bump and then i saw smoke and then we were going off the tracks. i thought we were going to flip over. other than that, though, not a whole lot on my end. >> can you describe what it was like in the train? >> people were just shocked because it happened so suddenly. like i was just doing a little bit of work and all of a sudden -- you wouldn't expect all of a sudden to be hit, in a panic a little bit. >> you can only imagine. we have a few comments from fire and rescue personnel on the scene. one fire official said, we had bodies and debris pretty much everywhere at the impact site. it's definitely a serious scene. he said, our top priority right now is getting anyone with serious injuries to the hospital and getting them into proper care. of course, police and fire rescue workers will be on the scene for a very long time. again, a double-decker bus and a train have collided in ottawa,

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well will come back. i'm carol costello. thanks so much for joining us. a few minutes ago i told you about republican house leaders who came out and told america they were going to pass this short-term budget bill that also defunded obamacare in order to come up with a budget and maybe keep the government open, except it probably will not accomplish that. dana bash is on capitol hill with more on this. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. well, that's right, the house republican leadership just formally announced what we knew was coming since our deidre walsh reported it last night,

that the leadership is effectively giving in to conservatives in their caucus hearing from conservative groups across the country that they want to take a stand on defunding obamacare on this very high-stakes vote, which is to keep the government running. of course that runs out in 12 days on september 30th. this is something that the house speaker didn't publicly say he was against, but it is it by all accounts privately he very much did not think this was a great strategy. he was here in 1995 when the government shut down and republicans at that time led the house ultimately got blamed for it. so this is not something that he personally it's clear wants to deal with. but i asked him that question, whether he lost control of his caucuses. he said, look, leaders lead. i listened to my people. this what they want to do and they're going to do it. then the next question is, once this comes up for a vote, which could come as soon as this week, likely to pass because republicans do have the majority in the house, what's going to happen next?

what is plan "b"? that is a big question mark. so once again we are going to have this high-stakes drama when it comes to keeping the government open, just like we've seen many times in the past. people have crisis fatigue and they're going to see it again. >> a lot of people have problems with obamacare, and there are a lot of valid concerns over obamacare. i'm not saying there aren't. but is this really the way to do it, to risk a government shutdown the a time when our economy is still fragile? >> reporter: that is a great question, and our understanding is that is effectively what some of the house republican leaders who didn't think this was a great strategy were saying to the rank and file who wanted to do this. not so much about the economy necessarily but understanding the way the votes are stacked. the senate is run by democrats. they will not pass this. they know this. as speaker boehner just sewed, they have passed a version of defunding obamacare in the house about 40 times. it has not gone anywhere in the

senate. it won't be different this time. so they know that this is something that they are doing to make a point, to be on the record once again because for five weeks, carol, groups like the heritage action network, heritage foundation, and others have been out there pounding conservatives saying you've got to support tying funding the government to defunding obamacare. they came back and said to their leadership, we need to take a vote on this in order to not get pounded again by the right in their districts. >> well, we'll see what the president has to say. he's set to speak at the business roundtable at 10:45 eastern time, in about 10 minutes or so. dana bash, thanks so much. the millionaire ceo of panner ra bread is going to bed hungry, worried about how much food he has and whether he'll be able to eat tomorrow. sounds silly, right? well, it's his personal food stamp challenge. he is living on $4.50 a day and documenting it all on his linkd

in blog. he's inspired by the numbers this week that 45.5 million americans are in poverty, 15% of our population, and about 48 million people are kusht currently using food stamps to survive. that fact doesn't sit well him. i spoke with him this morning about his experiment. so you're reaching the end of the challenge today. today is day six. so what have you learned so far? >> well, you know, it's it actually interesting. it's been an opportunity for me to both experience what i have never experienced but maybe more importantly to bring awareness to the range of issues that people who are really food insecure are suffering. you know, many people have written me, many people have spoken to me. i think the part that amazes me is that, what i'm attempting to simulate in just seven days, one in six americans are actually

experiencing, one in four children. we're talking about 48 million americans that at points during the last year didn't know where their next meal was coming from. >> and your blog is very interesting. on day four, for example, you wrote on your blog describing how you felt. you said, i can't stop thinking about food. each night when i go to bed i'm engulfed by a sick feeling that comes from eating too many carbs and i felt the anxiety of the possibility of running out of pasta. as you said, this really does change your outlook of what a family goes through when it's forced to live on food stamps. >> the reality, just as this last six days i've experienced, is food begins to dominate your life. to be able to do this, you have to be very planful. when i went to the super market on the very first day, i had to figure out what i was going to buy for the entire week and certain meals i made had to take me two or three days. i can remember i actually picked out a number of things, put it

in my basket and i went up to the checkout counter. and the reality was, carol, i had put too many things in my basket. i had to return certain things because the checkout was more than my $25 that i wanted to spend at that point. and each day i've been trying to figure out, how do i make sure i have enough to the end of the week? i run a restaurant company. we have 1,800 restaurants across america. the reality is, i couldn't go in my own restaurant. i couldn't go any into restaurant. the reality is, when you're experiencing life this way, you are so kiss connedisconnected f your food. >> i was going to ask you about that. if you're on food stamps you can't go into your restaurant because i think kids' mac and cheese costs $4.99. does this experiment want to make you want to lower some of the prices on your menu? >> actually, what we did do is

it we created restaurants where we have no set prices. they're called panera care cafes. we have five of them up. we'll serve over a million people this year in these cafes. and the intention is to provide an opportunity to feed people with dignity who have the need. the reality is that anybody who's food insecure is going to be in a place where no restaurant is available to them, whether it be panera or what have you. and essentially what folks that are experiencing food insecurity have to deal with is whether they're going to have milk that week, whether they're going to have enough food that week. so, to us, a restaurant experience and having someone cook for you is quite honestly well beyond what we're talking about. >> i have to get into the politics of this issue and i'm sure you're familiar with the politics.

congress is set to meet on a food stamp reform plan pushed by republicans. it could cut 6 million people from the program. do you think people have become dependent on food stamps and the government is simply enabling them? >> i think we have to ask ourselves a question, and the question we have to ask is, what kind society do we want? the truth is, we have the facts. one in six americans, 48 million americans, are food insecure. now, are there people in that group who are taking advantage of it? i'm sure there are. on the other hand, are there people in real need? absolutely. and the question we each individually have to ask is, what kind of society do we want? what does it mean? how do we want to live? and that really falls into two things. what are we going to do personally? what is each of us going to do personally in our relationship with things like ngos, nongovernment organizations and charitable activities, what are we going to do with things like panera cares cafes. are we going to support them? and the other thing we have to

do is ask what do we want of our government? >> and some might say that maybe some tough love is in order and that people who don't have the energy to go find a job perhaps or just don't want to find a job or get a job that's higher paying so they can better feed their family and themselves and really the government is just enabling those kinds of people by handing out food stamps? >> well, this is the question we each have to ask. when we opened the panera cares cafes, these are cafes where there are no set prices. you can walk in and you can order the entire panera menu and you leave in a donation box what you think is what you can essentially afford with an expectation, if you have the resources, you need to pay it forward. people thought we were crazy, that nobody would do the right thing. the reality, these stores have been opened for a number of years. the reality is we'll serve 1 million people in them, and these stores are self-sustaining

and it's continuing to work. the reality is, most people are are fundamentally good. not everybody is bad. are there bad apples? absolutely. that's what society is. but when we have 48 million americans that are food insecure, we've got to ask ourselves, is the problem that these individuals are all trying to game the system, or is there a real problem we want to deal with as a society? >> thank you so much nor joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you, carol. and when we come back, again, president obama expected to speak in just a few minutes from the business roundtable. perhaps he'll comment on the republican plan to pass a short-term budget deal that includes defunding obamacare. we'll take his remarks live when he gets behind that podium. we'll be right back. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away.

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just come into our "newsroom" just minutes ago. we heard from the mother of aaron alexis, the man who carried out the shooting rampage at the u.s. navy yard in washington. her name is kathleen alexis. her comments are gut-wrenching. here is a bit of what she told our national correspondent deb feyerick. >> september 18, 2013, our son aaron alexis has murdered 12 people and wounded several others. his actions have had a profound and lasting effect on the families of the victims. i don't know why he did what he did, and i'll never be able to ask him why. aaron is now in a place where he can no longer do harm to anyone, and for that i am glad. to the families of the victims, i am so, so very sorry that this has happened. my heart is broken. >> that's cathleen alexis. more of that interview airs on cnn in the next hour of "cnn

newsroom" and into the day. now we have to take you back to washington because the president is just about to speak before the business roundtable, a group of business leaders. you can see that man is introducing the president now. let's check in with jim acosta, covering this event. jim, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. you know, i think you'll hear the president responding at least in part to what house speaker john boehner said within the last hour. you know, the president, his administration, various officials here at the white house have all been saying over the last week that there is no way the president will sign any kind of continuing resolution or temporary spending measure that definds or delays obamacare. the white house also wants to fix the sequester. what you heard from john boehner earlier this hour that they want to defind obamacare, keep the sequester in place, want to perhaps use the debt limit as a negotiating tool the president has said that is not going to han. what you're going to hear the president say, according to white house officials at this speech in the next few moments

is that he is not going to negotiate over the debt limit. he said that on monday during that speech here at the white house, the speech causing a bit of controversy because it was so political coming on the heels of that shooting at the navy yard. but the president is going to reiterate some of those messages this morningbasically, carol, we have 12 days for both sides to work this out. >> let's listen to the president. thanks, jim. >> thanks to dave and andrew and john, all of the men and women of the business roundtable. i've had a chance to not only present before this body before, but many of you have been doing wonderful work with the administration on a whole range of issues. the point that jim just made about the commitment some of the companies here have made in hiring and promoting are returnireturn i -- our returning veterans is extraordinary. we're incredibly grateful for that. last time i was here, in december, i told you once the mikes were working that i'm

hugely invested in your success because this room represents not only an enormous amount of economic output but also represents the hopes and dreams of people who are working very hard trying to make a living, small businesses who are supplying large companies like yours. when you succeed, when you're doing well, when you're competitive at a global scale, then america can do well also. so we want to be a consistent partner with you on a whole range of issues, and we have. you know, if you think about where we were five years ago -- obviously we're marking the fifth anniversary of the collapse of lehmans that triggered the worst financial crisis and then ultimately worst economic crisis we've seen in our lifetimes -- i think it's fair to say that we've come a long way.

at that point, the auto industry was flatlining. you had the entire financial sector locked up. a number of banks were in deep trouble. and most aacutely for ordinary families across this country, they were losing jobs, losing homes, losing their life savings. and there was a genuine fear across the board that we may not be able to pull our way out of it. and we have, thanks to the grit and resilience of the american people, thanks to some outstanding work that's been done by many of your companies. we are in a much stronger position now than we were then. we've created now 7.5 million new jobs in the private sector. many of your companies have added to your payrolls, and that's made a huge difference. we've seen quarters of consecutive growth that are

still too slow, not as fast as we'd like, but relative to other developed countries around the world, we've actually fared a lot better. the housing market has begun to recover. exports are at record highs. we are producing more energy than we ever have before, and, all will though in a world energy market to say we're entirely energy-indz pent is a bit of a misnomer. what's true the geopolitics of energy has shifted, and that's strengthened our manufacturing base here and made it a much more atransactive place for us to invest. the deficits have been coming down at the fastest rate since world war ii. the deficit has been cut in half since i came into office. health care costs, which were and continue to be a major source of concern, are

increasing at the slowest rate in 50 years. and for many of you in terms of your bottom lines, employer-based health care plans have gone up at about a third of what they were going up when i first took office. and so there's a lot of bright spots in the economy. a lot of progress has been made, and a lot of good news to report. but i think what we all recognize is we're not where we need to be at. we still have a lot of work to do. and we know what it is that we need to do. we know that if we implement immigration reform that that can add potentially a trillion dollars to our economy and that we will continue to track the best and brightest talent around the world. we know that we can do even more when it comes to exports chshgs which is why i'm out there negotiating the transpacific partnership and now a

transatlantic trade part nership that will allow us to create a high-standard, enforceable, meaningful trade agreement with essentially two-thirds of the world markets, which is going to be incredibly powerful for american companies who, up until this point, have often been locked out of those markets. we know that we still have to make a lot of progress when had it comes to our education system. i want to thank the brt because you've worked with us on issues like creating a common core, that ensures that every young person in america has the opportunity to get prepared for the kinds of jobs that are going to exist in the 21st century and i'm going to be talking to all of you a lot to work with us in making college much more affordable because, just as we've had to take a hard look at what we can do to start bringing down health care costs, we've also got to take a hard look at what we're going to do to bring down college costs. we now have over a trillion dollars worth of student loan

debt that is hampering the economy, preventing young people from buying homes, starting families, and spending money buying your products. the good news is that every one of the challenges that we confro confront, every one of the barriers, whether it's education, immigration, infrastructure, that prevent us from being as competitive as we could be, they're all solvable. we have good ideas. there's actually pretty good consensus in terms of how we might move forward. the problem is right now that this town, washington, is locked up, and we are not seeing the kind of progress that we should on these issues. so immigration is the most obvious example. we have bipartisan agreement. we got a bill passed out of the

senate. it's sit tlg ting there in the house,s and if speaker boehner called that bill today, it would pass. we've got a majority of the house of representatives prepared to vote for it. and we could transform our immigration system in a way that would be really good for your companies and really good for our economy. the reason it's not happening is because there's a small faction that insists that our tradition as a nation of laws but also a nation of immigrants somehow is unamerican and they oppose it. and that duplicates itself on a whole range of these issues, and now in the next several weeks it's going to manifest itself in what is going to be probably the most critical debate about our economy over the next several months, and that is what we do about our budget. so let me just speak very briefly to that issue. as i said before, our deficits are coming down very fast.

in fact, the imf and other international organizations that had cautioned us previously about our deficits are actually now concerned that we're bringing our deficits down too fast. that's the assessment of the economists. on the current trajectory we're on and if we were to pass the budget that i put forward, our deficits would continue to go down, and we would have a deficit to gdp ratio below 3%, which is typically the standard at which it's sustainable. in order for us to do that, we've got to do a couple of things. number one, we've got to continue to be tight-fist when it comes to spending on what we don't need. we have to continue to streamline government, continue to cut out waste. and there's waste to be had and there are programs that don't work or used to work and are now

ab sle obsolete and we should eliminate. we've identified a whole range of programs we'd like to eliminate and programs we'd like to consolidate. but what is also true is that if we're going to be honest about our debt and our deficits, our real problem is the long term, not the short term. we're not overspending on education. we're not overspending on research and development, we're not overspending on helping the disabled. those things have all been flat for a long time or are coming down. our challenge has to do with our long-term entitlement programs and mostly have to do with our health care costs. so the fact that the affordable care act has been put into place and that many of you are taking steps within your own companies, we're seeing health care costs come down, we're still going to have to do a little bit more because the population is aging and demographics means that people are going to be using more health care and the government is going to have to grapple with that. that's a long-term challenge.

the budget i put forward actually proposes some smart fixes on medicare, some smart fixes on medicaid, and creates a sustainable path where we continue to invest in the things we need to grow, education, infrastructure, research and development, deals with our long-term structural deficit that's arise out of entitlements, and puts us in a strong position for decades to come. the problem we have right now is that, again, that same faction in congress is no longer talking about debt and deficits when it comes to resolving the budget. initially, this was an argument about how much we spend on discretionary spending, how much we spend on defense. you could sit down across the table and try to negotiate some numbers. that's no longer the argument.

what we now have is an ideological fight that's been mounted in the house of representatives that says, we're not going to pass a budget and we will threaten a government shutdown unless we repeal the affordable care act. we have not steen this een this past, that a budget is contingent on us eliminating a program that was voted on, passed by both chambers of congress, ruled constitutional by the supreme court, is two we weeks from being fully implemented and that helps 30 million people finally get health care coverage, we've never seen that become the issue around a budget battle. so that's right now the primary ro roadblock to resolving the budget. what's worse, that same faction

has said, if we can't succeed in shutting the government down and leveraging that to eliminate the affordable care act, we may be prepared to let the government default on their debt. now, this debt ceiling i just want to remind people, in case you haven't been keeping up -- raising the debt ceiling, which has been done over a hundred times, does not increase our debt. it does not somehow promote prollicacy. all will it does is, you have to pay the bills you've already racked up, congress. it's the function that the full faith and credit of the united states is preserved. and i've heard people say, well, in the past there have been negotiations around raising the debt ceiling. it's always a tough vote because the average person thinks

raising the debt ceiling must mean that we're running up our debt. so people don't like to vote on it and typically there's some gamesmanship in terms of making the president's party shoulder the burden of raising the -- taking the vote and then there's some political campaign later that smacks them around for saying, joe smith voted to raise the debt ceiling by $2 trillion, and it sounds terrible and it's a fun talking point for politics, but it always gets done. and if there is a budget package that includes the debt ceiling vote, it's not the debt ceiling that is driving the negotiations. it's stuck into the budget negotiations because if you're going to take a bunch of tough votes anyway, you may as well go ahead and stick that in there. you have never seen in the history of the united states the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used